How is God the Creator? | Episode 506 | Closer To Truth

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  • If God exists, did God create everything? Did God create out of literally "nothing"? Suppose there was no beginning to the cosmos, just the universe going through endless cycles, what then? And what about "abstract objects" like logic and numbers, which seem to exist without any cause and no creator? Featuring interviews with William Craig, Robert Russell, John Polkinghorne, and Brian Leftow.
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  • @redProxy___
    @redProxy___ Před 3 lety +107

    This show is amazing. I'm very happy for discovering it and the best part is the fact that there are dozens and dozens of episodes to watch for

  • @wnderer4365
    @wnderer4365 Před 3 lety +27

    me at 2 in the morning watching this ... :)

  • @alastairpaisley6668
    @alastairpaisley6668 Před 3 lety +22

    Abstract objects are immaterial abstractions that cannot exist independently of a mind that abstracts. To argue otherwise is to talk nonsense.

    • @r.davidyoung7242
      @r.davidyoung7242 Před 3 lety +7

      This was my thought too. The abstract need a conscious thinker to exist right?

    • @darioinfini
      @darioinfini Před 3 lety +6

      Agreed. Without conscious thinkers there are no numbers to be calculated. There isn't 2 + 2 = 4. It's just a collection of rocks floating around. It's only the conscious mind that picks out 2 rocks and 2 more and says oh look, 4 rocks.

    • @johnbrzykcy3076
      @johnbrzykcy3076 Před 3 lety +3

      @@darioinfini I agree and I like your example.

    • @cookieDaXapper
      @cookieDaXapper Před 3 lety +4

      The abstractions discussed are for us, the created within the creation, they have no bearing upon the creator. Just like a programmer sets the parameters within a program, the infinite God/Creator "set" the parameters/abstract laws that define this "creation'. The example of this in scripture is Christ healing the sick; the individuals became sick through some action, or inaction, and God "hacked" the parameters to restore their status. The creator can change the abstractions at will, apparently because he knows them personally, while we grope for them in reverse. PEACE.

    • @johnbrzykcy3076
      @johnbrzykcy3076 Před 3 lety

      @@cookieDaXapper Hey there... I like your observations. Can you possibly explain more about your comment that God "set' the parameters/abstract laws that define this 'creation"? And what do you mean by "God 'hacked' the parameters ..."? That sounds very interesting. I should save your comments. John in Florida

  • @ThePresident001
    @ThePresident001 Před 3 lety +20

    The biggest questions facing humanity:
    Why is there something rather than nothing?
    What is the nature of consciousness?
    Are we alone in the universe?
    How does CTT number their episodes?

    • @nunyabidness5375
      @nunyabidness5375 Před 2 lety +2

      Because it's impossible for nothing to exist except in contrast to something.
      The nature of consciousness is that the spiritual is the software or data and the natural is the organic hardware that runs it.
      We are not alone even if there are no physical "people on other planets" there are plenty of entities on higher planes. (And lower. I hate when those show up.)
      As for CCT numbering system I am completely baffled.

    • @matusfrisik3887
      @matusfrisik3887 Před 2 lety

      Even if there was nothing, some people would still be complaining...

    • @simonhibbs887
      @simonhibbs887 Před rokem

      @@matusfrisik3887 So the reason there is something rather than nothing, is that nonexistence found itself dissatisfying. I can buy that.

    • @matusfrisik3887
      @matusfrisik3887 Před rokem +2

      @@simonhibbs887 Unfortunately, existence can't find itself dissatisfying - it just find another distraction to focus on.

    • @manny2718
      @manny2718 Před rokem +1

      Still don't know how CTT numbers their episodes

  • @matusfrisik3887
    @matusfrisik3887 Před 3 lety +35

    "In the beginning the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
    - Douglas Adams

    • @buddhaneosiddhananda8499
      @buddhaneosiddhananda8499 Před 2 lety +1

      Stick at it and the truth will be revealed...

    • @andreasplosky8516
      @andreasplosky8516 Před 2 lety +2

      @Matúš Frisík
      I love that quote.

    • @Rickswars
      @Rickswars Před 2 lety +2

      Possibly the universe is not the first it was created not in the beginning, by A God!

    • @t-5004
      @t-5004 Před 2 lety

      Because it tells what happened not why/how

    • @credterfe
      @credterfe Před 2 lety

      Without God the miracle maker there would be nothing, not even a mind grumbling.

  • @eltoneagle8136
    @eltoneagle8136 Před rokem +5

    Mr Robert your voice is the most narrative Andy iconic voice I've ever heard and the depth of the understanding in your question is incredible 👏 I'm truly a fan of your documentaries and congratulations on your research which I personally like every other human being on the planet will be able to find out how it all started etc

  • @ramonido
    @ramonido Před 3 lety +43

    I love just how it tickles the spiritual and pushes one to ponder about existence

    • @shannontaylor1849
      @shannontaylor1849 Před 2 lety

      Ah yes, the fickle ticklish 'spiritual' that makes some folks laugh and gives others something to laugh at.

    • @lawrencesportello1080
      @lawrencesportello1080 Před 2 lety +1

      @@shannontaylor1849 she just HAD to poke the hornet's nest..

    • @jacobthelehman7081
      @jacobthelehman7081 Před 2 lety

      @@lawrencesportello1080 right haha

    • @lawrencesportello1080
      @lawrencesportello1080 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jacobthelehman7081 hopefully Ms Taylor will one day have the good fortune to come to the truth and benefit from the immeasurable mercy of El Elyon instead of waking up dead.

  • @grdsinclairgrd
    @grdsinclairgrd Před 3 lety +5

    I did not know that Steve Martin was interested in Theology in the most profound way. Best debates I have seen in CZcams so far was Roger Penrose with William Craig

  • @paulamartinez6145
    @paulamartinez6145 Před 3 lety +20

    Very interesting show as always. But seemed to me to be 26 minutes of the God of the gaps argument.

    • @hlmco
      @hlmco Před 2 lety +2

      What other kind of God do you know?

    • @markdobs
      @markdobs Před 2 lety +2

      This just means you may not be thinking deeply enough. The term "God of the gaps" is a flawed cliche which attempts to drive God's necessity in nature 'further back'. It is merely an atheistic cop out. Phenomena that science rightly explains in nature which were previously mysterious or thought to be 'done by the hand of God' (let's say) simply explains how God did it. For example: the tides going in and out- once thought to be mysteriously controlled by God directly, which is known to be regulated by the moon, is how God achieved that process.
      To oversimplify, the phrase "God of the gaps" is synonymous with or equal to the phrase: "How God did it"

    • @andreasplosky8516
      @andreasplosky8516 Před 2 lety +4

      "Very interesting show as always. But seemed to me to be 26 minutes of the God of the gaps argument."
      Indeed, fallacies, general sloppy reasoning, gullibility, the twisting and warping of human thought, and a rich fantasy life is all these theists have to present us. They are fantasists.

    • @andreasplosky8516
      @andreasplosky8516 Před 2 lety +5

      @@markdobs "This just means you may not be thinking deeply enough."
      I think you mean to say she should be more gullible, jump to illogical, fantastical supernatural conclusions more quickly, and try to fantasize more, and present it as ultimate theological truth.

    • @jimbob8992
      @jimbob8992 Před 2 lety

      @@andreasplosky8516 hi, I'm not going to comment on that other thread, it's clear our 'friend' is a sociopath/troll with multiple accounts.

  • @realskepticalstoic9704
    @realskepticalstoic9704 Před 2 lety +14

    This is the best philosophical show I have seen yet. Very informative.

    • @hershchat
      @hershchat Před 2 lety

      I realize that cultural difference can make some shows inaccessible to a western audience. However, if you’re up to it, try Advait or vedantic teachings. They are more profound, but also more tied to one tradition. This show is less deep, but more various.

  • @JustAnswers359
    @JustAnswers359 Před 3 lety +9

    21:40 True, in Islam God has/is 99 names such as The Just, The Merceful, The Balancing, The All-Knowing, The Causing , The Creator.... etc etc These abstrsct concepts are all God's properties and names which all are the true active cause behind our existence. Spacetime itself, mathimatics and the universe laws were manifested by God and by those properties of God.

    • @Aguijon1982
      @Aguijon1982 Před 2 lety +1

      The hide and seek champion of the universe is my favourite of his names.

    • @whatistruth560
      @whatistruth560 Před 2 lety

      @@Aguijon1982 What would convince you there is a God or God that created the our existence of realty itself?

    • @REDPUMPERNICKEL
      @REDPUMPERNICKEL Před 2 lety

      @@whatistruth560 "or God that created the our existence of realty itself"
      What?

  • @adirrozany234
    @adirrozany234 Před 3 lety +10

    Can't believe we all share this great journey

    • @davidmears1705
      @davidmears1705 Před 3 lety +1

      Bless you

    • @josepharmanno2761
      @josepharmanno2761 Před 2 lety

      It's deff cool and very special that we just happen to be and exist to share reality together I ❤ it .

  • @charissemckinnon4269
    @charissemckinnon4269 Před 3 lety +17

    i love your show, for years. Thank You for asking the Questions and bringing us closer to the Truth.

  • @S3RAVA3LM
    @S3RAVA3LM Před 3 lety +3

    A peice of paper is only paper; when I utilize such paper it becomes art -- i have the power to manifest like God.
    The universe is only void; when definition(God) is active, creation/manifestation occurs.
    I am aware of the Spiritual. I know that God is beyond this deminsion. For some reason God brought light here -- thus manifestation occurs.

  • @gariochsionnach2608
    @gariochsionnach2608 Před 3 lety

    Dear Mr Kuhn, may be you should conduct an interview with Bishop Robert Barron of LA...

  • @adamgray8996
    @adamgray8996 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Thank you Mr. kuhn.

  • @dnavas7719
    @dnavas7719 Před 2 lety +5

    15:01 very enlightening and beautiful argument to justify the size of the universe

  • @davefk
    @davefk Před 2 lety +9

    I believe abstract objects are needed for us to interact with reality, and for us to experience consciousness and ultimately God.

    • @stevepierce6467
      @stevepierce6467 Před rokem +1

      Just remember, every abstraction, every concept, every idea every thought up all came from inside our own human heads.

    • @stevepierce6467
      @stevepierce6467 Před rokem

      What is an "abstract object?" There are tangible things that have words for them, like chair and flower and potato. There are intangible things that have words for them, like love, sympathy, horse sense, spirit. Generally we refer to these second items as abstractions. Some are so abstract in that they are so far removed from human experience that they lose meaning, like "family values," or "supernatural" or "god". An abstraction is such precisely because it has no object, no objective thing to attach to.

  • @drFredGDC
    @drFredGDC Před 2 lety +5

    The elemental problem I see, at the root of all deductions and conclusions when trying to justify or negate god, is that these are performed by our minds & senses which are in their essence imperfect. How then can we understand a perfect god with our imperfect instruments (mind, senses, etc) , or how dare we??

    • @mikewannenburg5907
      @mikewannenburg5907 Před 2 lety +1

      You are making a lot of assumptions here about God. What if our understanding of what he is and isn't is incorrect?

    • @REDPUMPERNICKEL
      @REDPUMPERNICKEL Před 2 lety

      "our minds & senses which are in their essence imperfect"
      Speak for your self.

    • @quakers200
      @quakers200 Před 2 měsíci

      A great argument for atheism. If we can not comprehend something like god the sensible answer is to say I don't know. Not only sensible but honest. 😊

  • @ledgermanager
    @ledgermanager Před 3 lety +2

    +1, you never loose.
    "Mine is always +1 more then yours."
    Reminds me of the game i played as kid

  • @ericneiman5556
    @ericneiman5556 Před 11 měsíci +3

    The more I learn about my consciousness the closer I feel to the Creator

  • @prestonbacchus4204
    @prestonbacchus4204 Před rokem +4

    Thank you for the discussion.^
    To examine the question reasonably, of course, first, that supremely ambiguous word "God" would have to be specifically defined, otherwise, it is always a "Who's on first" situation where each person is misunderstanding what the other is saying ... and doesn't know it. So for example, let's say that it is agreed to use this definition of "God": "Creator of the Universe". If the Universe was created, then the name of that creator, the term we will use to define that, is "God". With absolutely no other "God" concepts included with that.
    So, was our Universe created? We don't know. Does "God" exist by that definition? Again, we do not know. On the other hand, we do not see any self created material in the universe, with all of it apparently being a function of the event of the big bang. So if our Universe appeared in the same way as what we have observed in nature, like us who arrived as a function of our parents who pre-existed us, then we can suggest the possibility that our universe is a function of "God". What would "God" look like? Functions always resemble, are literally made out of, that which they are a function of. Thus, our planet is made out of the material of exploding stars, it resembles what it is a function of. Or our galaxy, it is a function of the interaction of other galaxies that pre-existed our own, and our galaxy is literally made out of those other galaxies and resemble those. Or, you, you are a function of your parents and resemble your parents. They pre-existed you. So, following that example, something we see everywhere in the universe, it's possible that our universe is a function of the interaction of other pre-existing universes similar to our own, parents to our universe.
    At that point, the terrain would look like this: Like galaxies that exist in relation to other galaxies, our universe exists in a common time and space and in relation to those other parental universes from which our universe was born together with "a night sky" full of other related universes similar to and related to our own. Naturally those other universes, large bodies of mass (like other galaxies that gravitationally effect our Milky Way galaxy) would be effecting our universe gravitationally and electromagnetically. If we did not know that our universe was existing in relation to those large bodies of mass, if we thought that our universe was all there is, then we would discover that there is much less matter in our universe than would be necessary to generate the gravity required to hold our universe together. So at that point, we would posit some kind of dark matter, that is, matter of immense density that we can not see, locate or isolate for study but we assume is present somewhere in our universe. But if our Universe is a function, there is no theoretical need for dark matter, as the missing matter is all around our universe but out of range of our telescopes so far. ...

    • @JezzaODoyleRules
      @JezzaODoyleRules Před rokem

      We look with our eyes, our eyes can't see, we hear but we don't hear, touch, etc. The only thing left is to ask God without bias to show you, that's how it happened to me.

  • @kimsahl8555
    @kimsahl8555 Před 3 lety +1

    In Nature we have some creations and some increations. These two are what we call a changing Nature.

  • @gregrice1354
    @gregrice1354 Před 2 lety +1

    Great program and series by Lawrence Kuhn. One of the best, most consistent and rigorous writing and teaching on the science confirming Bible account of creation and God's (Jewish Messianic) operation of the world is Dr. Hugh Ross' work. His clear accounts of the extra or "super" dimensionality of God's "transcendence" preceded Brian Greene's fine presentation of SuperString theories by many years.

    • @Bugsy0333
      @Bugsy0333 Před 2 lety +1

      "Science confirming Bible account of creation". Can you provide a source please ?

    • @gregrice1354
      @gregrice1354 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Bugsy0333 Hi Mike. Why do you ask?
      Obviously, one reference are the creation references in Scripture. Another good source to consider is the very website you found to make this query - Closer To the Truth. Your query to me is curious, as it is the only response to me, and it seems to feign ignorance of the material provided by the website videos. - Very good material on this exact subject.
      If you honestly don't know of t he relation between Scripture and science, then simply search for evidential theology. - You will likely find Closer to the Truth in the response to your query.
      If one is familiar with the claims in Scripture, then one would be familiar with the science issues to examine independently. I wish you great success

    • @Bugsy0333
      @Bugsy0333 Před 2 lety +1

      @@gregrice1354 Why ? I have feel i have no choice but to comment on claims that are unfounded .
      "Science confirming Bible account of creation".
      Then of course you enter in your defence mode going as far as calling me ignorant based on a simple question.
      The Bible confirms nothing, whereas science inadvertently contradicts the Bible.
      There is nothing objective about the Bible, because it is a religious book, and religion and the idea of god are completely subjective. It is filled with claims that can either be taken literally or figuratively.
      On the other hand, science deals with objectivity, which is incompatible with subjectivity. Since there are as many personal interpretations of the Bible as there are people who have read it, there’s nothing about it that can be measured or quantified by science.
      Many theists would argue that it is god that “gave us science”, or “God is the reason behind everything science can explain”, but that doesn’t discount the fact that those are nothing more than just unsubstantiated claims. And that’s fine - everyone’s entitled to their beliefs. Just keep them out of the minds of children and schools.
      If one were to take the Bible literally, then it is obvious that one has no comprehension of basic science at all and has no desire to understand how the world works.I also wish you all the great success as well.

    • @gregrice1354
      @gregrice1354 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Bugsy0333 I'm glad you could vent your biased and ill-informed views. I hope your prejudices won't prevent you from reviewing all the Closer To Truth series by Mr. Kuhn. He interviews John Polkinghorne, well educated physicist who became minister in UK Christian Church. I believe Kuhn also talks with Paul Davies, original writer on one form of the Anthropic Principle of Design in the Universe.
      If you bothered to even read the library index of books available on the subject, you could at least have some knowledge of the range of studies and experts you are so well prepared to dismiss without review or consideration. Good luck to you Mr. Cummings.

    • @Bugsy0333
      @Bugsy0333 Před 2 lety

      @@gregrice1354
      You're about as close-minded of a person that I've have ever met and you become extremely defensive when someone challenges your views.
      You have the attitude that "I'm right everyone else is wrong " To continue would be pointless with a man of your intelligence and such a vast knowledge of the universe and its scientifically proven Creator.
      To be honest with you Greg I actually feel sorry for you I truly do.
      I wish you all the best Mr. Rice

  • @vcp93
    @vcp93 Před 2 lety +10

    Great series; unconvincing arguement. CZcams content at its best. ✌️

    • @beamerUSA
      @beamerUSA Před 2 lety +1

      uhh!? unconvincing?

    • @simonhibbs887
      @simonhibbs887 Před rokem +3

      @@beamerUSA WLC is a Christian apologist. If you're a christian you might find his arguments convincing, but if like me you are not, then you probably won't. The same goes for any of the arguments for a creator god.

    • @thomasridley8675
      @thomasridley8675 Před rokem +1

      For some reason, they never want to admit to the cultural atmosphere that has created and maintained their particular theology.
      Or how it's had to change as society has changed.
      Leaving some of the laws in the dust bin of outdated ideas.

    • @omereren7382
      @omereren7382 Před rokem

      @@thomasridley8675 That has absolutely no bearing on the validity of their arguments though.

    • @thomasridley8675
      @thomasridley8675 Před rokem

      @@omereren7382
      So they can just follow the parts that won't get them thrown into jail ?
      And don't tell me that the cult..ure had nothing to do with it's development. Most of those iron clad god given rules have been discarded as societies became more progressive.
      Every religion has had to bend to the society that supports them. Staying alive is always more important than maintaining it's theological foundations.

  • @MrSypratt
    @MrSypratt Před 2 lety +4

    If you consider a character with consciousness in some kind of video game they might describe the creation of their world as “out of nothing” but that is just because they don’t know they are in a simulated (created) universe. There is hardware, software, and designers of the hardware and software that they would have no direct interaction with.

    • @JezzaODoyleRules
      @JezzaODoyleRules Před rokem

      That would mean that all of us are playing, that it's more like an education camp, that we are all equal under God and you just chose the elective to learn or game the same thing. That would make us all equal under God, as it says in the Bible, and that God has a purpose for us, as in the Bible, that the universe was created by god, which is in the Bible, that we wrecked the game and we had a reboot, that you can access the forgiven to breaking the game, etc, you know where I'm going with this.
      There is one thing I have learned, you get direct contact by just turning up to Church listening, and then the connection and the answers come to you, the problem is to access it you have to believe, and when you do you don't get words but answers start flowing to you. Hard to explain, try it and find out, I was an anti-theist once until I awoke. Open your mind with no bias and just ask God to show you, and you will see.

  • @followyourbliss973
    @followyourbliss973 Před rokem +2

    The Truth is unattainable. We can only strive to be genuine!

    • @garychartrand7378
      @garychartrand7378 Před 7 měsíci

      You are living your truths right now. They are derived from your experiences. They are YOUR truths and nobody else's. If you are referring to ULTIMATE Truth that eventually everyone will share , then that too will be obtainable once you have soul evolved into God Consciousness.

  • @vhawk1951kl
    @vhawk1951kl Před 2 lety

    "Owing to the loss of the capacity to ponder and the contemporary average
    man hears or employs in conversation any word with which he is familiar only by
    its consonance, he does not pause to think, nor does there even arise in him any question as to what exactly is meant by this word, he having already decided, once and for all, both that he knows it
    and that others know it too."

  • @wade5941
    @wade5941 Před 3 lety +31

    Though I am not a "religious" person as in actively practicing a particular religion, I am less troubled by the thought of "God" creating everything than by the thought that everything was created out of nothing by nothing.

    • @perrin6
      @perrin6 Před 3 lety +5

      It seems more likely that the cosmos is made of some basic material or energy which in some places and in some circumstances folds upon itself to produce more complex things.

    • @buddhaneosiddhananda8499
      @buddhaneosiddhananda8499 Před 2 lety

      "Ask and ye shall receive..."

    • @ipensword
      @ipensword Před 2 lety +5

      Either God is eternal or matter is.

    • @rubbersole79
      @rubbersole79 Před 2 lety +3

      Isaiah 55, 8-9

    • @mikewannenburg5907
      @mikewannenburg5907 Před 2 lety +2

      @@perrin6 that is as difficult to believe as the idea of a creator

  • @Mystic0Dreamer
    @Mystic0Dreamer Před 3 lety +4

    "It's never good to torture babies". Why focus on babies? Does that imply that it's good to torture adults? Why is it okay to torture adults?

    • @petertalgaard6540
      @petertalgaard6540 Před 3 lety +1

      Or animals or anything.....well said

    • @darioinfini
      @darioinfini Před 3 lety

      Would you torture Hitler? Stalin? Someone planning to bomb a city but won't tell you where the bomb is planted?

    • @Mystic0Dreamer
      @Mystic0Dreamer Před 3 lety

      @@darioinfini Ok fine. Then why don't we just say that it's immoral to torture innocent adults? Why do we need to bring babies into the picture. That seems to imply that adults in general don't matter. If it's immoral to torture a baby, it should be just as immoral to torture an innocent adult.
      Also, if you're going to torture a "guilty" adult, you better be 100% sure they are indeed guilty of what you claim. Otherwise you're back to torturing innocent adults (i.e. torturing babies)

    • @darioinfini
      @darioinfini Před 3 lety +2

      @@Mystic0Dreamer Maybe because it's fundamentally understood in all cultures you don't torture babies whereas saying "innocent adults" is enough of an awkward phrase that we'd still be here discussing why he chose that instead of babies where everyone would understand what he meant.

    • @Mystic0Dreamer
      @Mystic0Dreamer Před 3 lety

      @@darioinfini My post wasn't intended to critique Robert Kuhn, as I fully understood what he meant.
      My post is a critique of the cultures who use this phrase in the first place. The phrase itself implies that adults are somehow exempt from innocence, which is a seriously bad idea to be propagating throughout a culture to begin with.
      We make these cultural mistakes and end up having to live with them. The phrase tends to imply that if a person isn't a baby, then perhaps torturing the person is somehow justified. But that makes it too easy to torture any humans who aren't still babies.
      So it's a cultural catastrophe, not anything that Robert Kuhn is personally responsible for.

  • @daves2520
    @daves2520 Před 3 lety +1

    Let me offer a hypothesis. Abstract objects exist only in the mind of man - this includes things such as mathematics, physics, etc. If this is true, then if all of mankind were to die tomorrow, all that is abstract would also disappear. It is important to distinguish between the study of something, mathematics for instance, and the relationships in nature that it seeks to describe. Mathematics is an abstraction that exist only in the mind of man; the relationships in nature that it describes are real but mathematics itself is just and idea or series of ideas.

  • @ParthSharma-dd9ml
    @ParthSharma-dd9ml Před 3 lety

    So far as Hinduism is concerned , I want to say something about doctrine of creation in six great schools of Indian philosophy which gave different interpretation of creation theory in nyay ( Ārambhvāda ) even before that in Nāsadiya and Hiranyagarbha Shukt in Rigveda creation starts from NOTHINGESS . So the claim of Judeo-Christian uniqueness is not there , secondly I would love to see you exploring theory of Ajātivāda by Gauḍapāda related to Satkaryavada

  • @robbass7611
    @robbass7611 Před 2 lety +6

    Wow! Never heard anyone stump WLC before, that's why I love this channel, the depth of thought process, and questions you ask!

    • @vhawk1951kl
      @vhawk1951kl Před 2 lety

      why not ak shim this question: Can a mirror reflect itself?
      That should silence not just the pair of you but all men

    • @REDPUMPERNICKEL
      @REDPUMPERNICKEL Před 2 lety

      @@vhawk1951kl No. Mirrors reflect only light.

    • @undercoveragent9889
      @undercoveragent9889 Před rokem

      WLC is a charlatan selling snake-oil. It's almost a pity that there is no hell to which he can be eternally consigned and make no mistake, if the God he espouses does exist, hell is exactly where Craig would surely be going.

    • @oscargr_
      @oscargr_ Před rokem

      @@vhawk1951kl And *you* can answer this question ?

    • @vhawk1951kl
      @vhawk1951kl Před rokem

      @@oscargr_ Rehearse your question

  • @timo3877
    @timo3877 Před 3 lety +7

    Brilliant! Thank you Robert!

  • @deathbreach3448
    @deathbreach3448 Před 3 lety +2

    Life is a realistic simulator in a mathematically correct infinite universe where anything is absolutely possible if the math is correct.
    (And when I say infinite I mean, once we hit a technology wall, humanity will surpass it. It is in our nature to stick together and overcome every obstacle that threatens it’s existence or other forms of life. And forever are we doomed to create unto infinity)

  • @DestroManiak
    @DestroManiak Před 3 lety +17

    "How is God the Creator?" God: "Not much, you?"

  • @glitchmatrix8699
    @glitchmatrix8699 Před 3 lety +9

    Consciousness is the key

    • @tomrhodes1629
      @tomrhodes1629 Před 3 lety +1

      Sort of, Macron. But it goes much deeper than that. A teacher and prophet of God speaks: "How is God the Creator?" Once you know what "God" is, this question answers itself. For GOD IS THE MIND THAT IS ALL. There is nothing else. And if that raises further questions in your mind, I have all of the answers. Seek and ye shall find, just a "click" away....

    • @ayoubzahiri1918
      @ayoubzahiri1918 Před 3 lety

      @@tomrhodes1629 your comment contain the truth, all is 'one' mind

  • @thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646

    Where does it say this in the bible?

    • @naturalLin
      @naturalLin Před 3 lety +1

      Why do ppl always automatically assume the biblical God?

    • @brandursimonsen4427
      @brandursimonsen4427 Před 3 lety

      God existing and creating out of nothing. That is from some theology and philosophy. Not Bible.
      Creating from nothing is a creating from its negation. Obviously false.
      God existing and creating from something is the story of Jesus.

    • @thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646
      @thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646 Před 3 lety

      @@naturalLin William is always defending THE BIBLICAL GOD. That's why. So you even know what's happening in the video? I watch these people outside this thin layer of philosophy we are seeing here.

    • @tomrhodes1629
      @tomrhodes1629 Před 3 lety

      A teacher and prophet of God speaks: "How is God the Creator?" Once you know what "God" is, this question answers itself. For GOD IS THE MIND THAT IS ALL. There is nothing else. And the Bible reveals that fact, but in a way that hasn't been understood by most people, as I explain in my book. If this raises further questions in your mind, I have all of the answers. Seek and ye shall find, just a "click" away....

  • @michaellangan4450
    @michaellangan4450 Před 2 lety

    What can we not have been 'born' out of God?

    • @kensanity178
      @kensanity178 Před rokem

      Theres no such thing as virgin birth. Theres no such thing as coming back to life after death. Evolution explains it: all species are descended from a closely related, previously existing species. There is no God.

  • @tomashull9805
    @tomashull9805 Před 3 lety +8

    "Did God create out of literally "nothing"? - Another not a very good question because once you arrive at the notion that God exist, then asking question of 'creation out of nothing' is self-defeating. Once you assume that there is God - something, why would God/something need to create out of nothing can be, and probably is self-defeating. The simple answer is God created out of something, or himself... like out of energy that is part of him, or the spirit...

  • @r.davidyoung7242
    @r.davidyoung7242 Před 3 lety +7

    Nicely done. You're the right person for these interviews. I love listening to you and hearing your response and insights yet also your introductions of other deep thinkers in these interviews. BTW: YOUR SIMILE IN 2 MOMENTS SEEMS GENUINE to me. Liked you really and deeply liked an answer. Then I smiled too 🙉🙈🌻

    • @tomrhodes1629
      @tomrhodes1629 Před 3 lety

      A teacher and prophet of God speaks: "How is God the Creator?" Once you know what "God" is, this question answers itself. For GOD IS THE MIND THAT IS ALL. There is nothing else. And if that raises further questions in your mind, I have all of the answers. Seek and ye shall find, just a "click" away....

  • @yianicassini154
    @yianicassini154 Před 3 lety +4

    with respects to Mr Kuhn , I was wondering what the god itself made of and how it came to existence?Thanks

    • @danielulisesalberdi7319
      @danielulisesalberdi7319 Před 3 lety +1

      afterall.net/quotes/david-bentley-hart-on-misunderstanding-the-cosmological-argument/

    • @gabpinto5633
      @gabpinto5633 Před 3 lety +1

      Thug Life

    • @tomrhodes1629
      @tomrhodes1629 Před 3 lety

      You are asking the wrong people, Thug Life. A teacher and prophet of God speaks: "How is God the Creator?" Once you know what "God" is, this question answers itself. For GOD IS THE MIND THAT IS ALL. There is nothing else. And if that raises further questions in your mind, I have all of the answers. Seek and ye shall find, just a "click" away....

    • @yianicassini154
      @yianicassini154 Před 3 lety

      @@tomrhodes1629 where is mind coming from?

    • @gabpinto5633
      @gabpinto5633 Před 3 lety

      Andreaz-64 God is made out of 9. Go ahead multiply it by anything. You will always go back to the 9 the tip, God, eternal power.

  • @deepaktripathi4417
    @deepaktripathi4417 Před rokem

    Thanks a lot Robert! 🙏

  • @jamesruscheinski8602
    @jamesruscheinski8602 Před 3 lety

    What are the implications if God as sustainer was more significant than God as creator? Would be interesting discussion.

    • @ferdinandkraft857
      @ferdinandkraft857 Před 3 lety

      About as interesting as arguing how many angels can dance in the head of a pin.

    • @tomrhodes1629
      @tomrhodes1629 Před 3 lety

      No need for presumptuous mental masturbation. The answers are known. A teacher and prophet of God speaks: "How is God the Creator?" Once you know what "God" is, this question answers itself. For GOD IS THE MIND THAT IS ALL. There is nothing else. And if that raises further questions in your mind, I have all of the answers. Seek and ye shall find, just a "click" away....

    • @mikewannenburg5907
      @mikewannenburg5907 Před 2 lety

      @@tomrhodes1629 you seem to have it figured out while the rest of us are mentally mastrubating away

  • @jasonladd6400
    @jasonladd6400 Před 3 lety +2

    Seems logical there is a plan to the universe so if there's a plan there is an omnipotent mind.

    • @curbroadshow
      @curbroadshow Před 3 lety +1

      @Jason Ladd
      It’s not logical at all

  • @NEXTMARKDESIGN
    @NEXTMARKDESIGN Před 3 lety +10

    Love WLC ! Would like to hear a more recent interview with you and him.

    • @Andres64B
      @Andres64B Před 3 lety +10

      WLC is a clown.

    • @estuchedepeluche2212
      @estuchedepeluche2212 Před 3 lety +4

      He has his own channel, books, and several younger apologists have very recent interviews. I saw him at my uni debate with a catholic biologist about intelligent design vs evolution. At the end of the event, the organizers counted votes for most minds changed, the biologist had the greatest number. So, by the measure of the Christian student organization that presented WLC as their champion, he lost.

    • @Cole-Thinks-Things
      @Cole-Thinks-Things Před 3 lety +1

      I was just wondering when this interview was filmed...

    • @ML-yy9iu
      @ML-yy9iu Před 3 lety +1

      @@Andres64B Wow, very convincing.

  • @purplepick5388
    @purplepick5388 Před 3 lety +1

    I am Closer to Kuhn : )

  • @melorgomolox6828
    @melorgomolox6828 Před 3 lety +2

    We are God experiencing itself in human form. If you were to create a whole universe, wouldn't you want to know what its like? God is divine intelligence, consciousness, etc. It was formless, then assembled into form, its both. One can't see the wind, but we know its there because a flag sways in the breeze (symptom, expression).
    If you were an infinite source asleep, you woke up and asked "what am I?", the universe would be your answer!
    Anyway just my thoughts & opinion

    • @ferdinandkraft857
      @ferdinandkraft857 Před 3 lety

      Why would God do this? Seems rather pointless.

    • @melorgomolox6828
      @melorgomolox6828 Před 3 lety

      @@ferdinandkraft857 it's hard to anthropomorphize the idea, but maybe, curiosity? expression? the "creator" after all i guess

  • @youssefhassani7009
    @youssefhassani7009 Před 3 lety +7

    I’m surprised this channel has only 212k subscribers, while the guy who goes to car shows has 3 million, that tells you something.

    • @bobrussell3602
      @bobrussell3602 Před 3 lety +1

      Youssef Hassani It makes you think doesn't it ? Some years ago, a lady who knows me very well (not a relative) said 'you have a wealth of hobbies and interests, don't you Bob ?' I looked at her quizzically and said 'Well doesn't everybody ?' She said 'no they DON'T !' I know someone who always beats me when we take part in General Knowledge quizzes, but he does not have ANY hobbies or interests, other than reading newspapers and watching television.
      Who is to say who is right and who is wrong ? Maybe he just enjoys being relaxed.

    • @tomrhodes1629
      @tomrhodes1629 Před 3 lety

      And a true prophet of God has only a HANDFUL of subscribers. That tells you EVERYTHING. Because, the very reason that souls find themselves experiencing this world of LIMITATION is because THEY HAVE LOST THEIR DESIRE FOR TRUTH. A teacher and prophet of God speaks: "How is God the Creator?" Once you know what "God" is, this question answers itself. For GOD IS THE MIND THAT IS ALL. There is nothing else. And if that raises further questions in your mind, I have all of the answers. Seek and ye shall find, just a "click" away....

  • @jamessmith989
    @jamessmith989 Před 3 lety +6

    All in all. "The first will be last and the last will be first."

    • @tomrhodes1629
      @tomrhodes1629 Před 3 lety +1

      The All in All, indeed. A teacher and prophet of God speaks: "How is God the Creator?" Once you know what "God" is, this question answers itself. For GOD IS THE MIND THAT IS ALL. There is nothing else. "The first will be last and the last will be first" is true for several reasons. For one, time and space is an illusion such that there is no "first" and "last," in absolute terms. They are the same. Secondly, those in this world who THINK that they are 'first" (such as most Christian evangelicals) lack wisdom, and will actually be LAST in "the race to the finish line." Relative to them, agnostics - who know that they don't know - are the more advanced souls! I have all of the answers of importance, if you want them, just a "click" away....

    • @jamessmith989
      @jamessmith989 Před 3 lety

      @@tomrhodes1629 Christians don't think that they are first. Christianity is the only faith based on the absolute and the probability of One. Prophesies fortold years in advance and fulfilled to the letter.

  • @johnjdumas
    @johnjdumas Před rokem

    You can put together a battery and it can be used without charging it first. Can a void have a charge inherent also? Would this charge naturally converge like gravity until unstable? Large atoms for example are unstable!

  • @rotorblade9508
    @rotorblade9508 Před 3 lety +2

    I can see some problems with the arguments:
    “God created time” -it assumes time didn’t exist. Then it says “God existed forever in the past” so it means a second dimension of time that flows for God only and our dimension is separate. Now both dimension are active? The original dimension of time already existed and it can be simply valid for our world so god didn’t create time before the extra dimension is not necessary
    Of God existed forever, it means an infinite amount of time in the past. Infinity is not logically possible though so another problem. Plus many many others like god is something that is not made of anything for example. All things we know are made of fundamental simple entities (quantum particles). Being made of no simple constituents and being also able to have infinite power at the same time is nonsense, ridiculous. Related to this the abstract objects are also a problem indeed. Infinite power as a concept maybe doesn’t exist for example
    Then we all see examples every day that the planet is a wild place, the kindnesses or innocence of an animal or human doesn’t necessarily make it live a safe and beautiful life. We also have a very clear theory pf evolution that shows how lifeforms evolved. If we are made of building blocks that obey their rules then free will is not possible so there is no such a thing as sin. Lifeforms simply act based on the information gathered by the system from the past including genetical information, you can’t do anything about it
    You need a god to explain what? The universe coming into existence? So you introduce an agent that lived forever in the past then why not assuming the universe has existed forever? But there is a better option than accepting the nonsense of infinity, infinite power the king of all kings bla bla bla. If time starts at the Big Bang then the past is limited in length. Before BB there is no time so there it is impossible to go to a moment of no time. Therefore the Universe was never in a state where nothing existed and infinities are not required.
    The religious wars, hate, and atrocities are also part of nature, there is nobody up there to judge these people and punish or stop them so our live depend on how lucky we are

    • @REDPUMPERNICKEL
      @REDPUMPERNICKEL Před 2 lety

      Well put.

    • @gregrice1354
      @gregrice1354 Před 2 lety

      So, your resummation of your God of Luck seems much more accommodating to your taste than inquiring beyond your existing presumptions and predetermined categories?

    • @undercoveragent9889
      @undercoveragent9889 Před rokem

      @@gregrice1354 Actually, you would do well to examine your own assumptions with regard to the matter of a conscious God existing outside of space and time. God said, "Let there be light," and there was light, right? So right there, you have a causal link between God's desire for light and light's appearance in the universe. Clearly, God desired the existence of light _before_ light came into existence and therefore, God's thoughts _must_ have taken place in spacetime environment.
      Think about it; God has asked Himself the question, 'what do I desire?' and the answer was 'light'. Well, when God asked Himself the question, the answer came out of a space filled with all the possible answers to it. The very concept of 'consciousness' involves some kind of internal communication network. How can thoughts flow without time and space in which to flow. Like music, without the space for a stage and time over which a performance can unfold, consciousness would be utterly meaningless.
      Ergo, either God is outside of space and time and is _not_ conscious _or_ God came into existence _after_ the creation of time and space _or_ God is nothing more than a contrivance of our own consciousness. Either way, the creation of space and time cannot possibly be contingent on the existence of consciousness.
      Or, perhaps, you can conceive of a way that any process of change, such as thoughts resulting in action, can be manifest in the absence of time and space?

  • @unclececil
    @unclececil Před 2 lety +3

    What's funny to me, as an atheist, is that so-called "scientists" will profess the likelihood of aliens existing, in spite of the lack of evidence, but then espouse how they don't believe in a god because of lack of evidence.
    All institutions are now controlled by a "higher power" known as money

    • @sab3898
      @sab3898 Před 2 lety +2

      Even though I’m not an atheist per se (more spiritual/ agnostic) I couldn’t agree more with you.

    • @unclececil
      @unclececil Před 2 lety +1

      @@sab3898 to be clear, I don't completely dismiss the possibility of a creator, I just don't think we've ever seen evidence of it, I certainly don't think organized religion has any divine secrets

    • @sab3898
      @sab3898 Před 2 lety +1

      @@unclececil me either to a certain extent. Clearly the westboro Baptist church doesn’t have any great ideas. I think the more sophisticated theologians have great ideas/ insights. Now they’re reasoning May falter on some things but the same thing can be said for people on the other side of the pond so to speak. I personally think there is somewhat of a force that moves us. Something that evolves everyone of us to improve and survive. Idk what that is. I think there is a meaning and a purpose. I think we’re more than flesh and bone. We have these intense relationships with one another. Love is a profoundly powerful thing that we all have. This may sound Terrance McKenna like lol. I don’t think organized religion has all of the answers and I don’t think science does either.

    • @unclececil
      @unclececil Před 2 lety +1

      ​@@sab3898 I know what you're trying to say...there is something about our sentience that seems beyond the grasp of science, and though it may be a metaphysical thought exercise, religion offers nothing meaningful on it.
      Ironically, science has "discovered" some things that when compared to religious doctrine, seem to be simply paraphrasing what religions have said for millennia.
      I saw a documentary on the Science Channel that stated it's possible that when we die, the energy in our body could continue existing outside of our body and possibly even carry some of our consciousness with it....I couldn't help but think "Geez, do they realize how much that sounds like the concept of a soul?"

    • @sab3898
      @sab3898 Před 2 lety

      @@unclececil ya that would seem like a soul to me. I get what you’re saying when you say that religion doesn’t offer anything meaningful on our sentience.
      I think that could mean that our consciousness could exist out of the brain and that the brain could filter it. That’s an idea. I think that’s true. I sincerely believe that. I think our consciousness or soul is a part of something more. I think we all have a purpose. If you get the chance watch Randall Carlson. He talks about our purpose in this earth. It’s quite interesting. Also some Graham Hancock, Rupert Sheldrake, and some Peter Fenwick. There’s a bunch of other people out there too

  • @MadderMel
    @MadderMel Před 2 lety +3

    It puzzles me how God has always existed long before he created everything ? So God must've been on his own with nothing to do and with nothing to eat , because he had yet to create food , I suspect he doesn't need food , but do you get what I mean ?
    He must have been incredibly bored before he decided on creation .

    • @ishikawa1338
      @ishikawa1338 Před rokem

      That’s how I view it boredom then had enough of an ego that was so bored can’t just enjoy it let’s create all kinds of stuff and just watch it play out and mess w people n such also make it basically crazy cuz free will and see what happens like tv

  • @teeniequeenie8369
    @teeniequeenie8369 Před rokem

    @16 mins approx…LOVE this guy!!!!

  • @richardmooney383
    @richardmooney383 Před 2 lety

    For Polkinghorn, it seems, the word God just means the basic integer of the cosmic equation.

  • @hidayclarck6885
    @hidayclarck6885 Před 3 lety +3

    I think that you should ask the right question: How is the word "God" is Created!!!??

    • @hidayclarck6885
      @hidayclarck6885 Před 3 lety +2

      oh let me reply to this a bunch of really smart peoples invented it Aka "Mathematicians" then introduce it to delusional peoples Aka "Prophets" then introduce it to sheep like peoples Aka "Persons"

    • @kmmahendra9205
      @kmmahendra9205 Před 3 lety

      @@hidayclarck6885 how do you think word GOD or concept of GOD is created ?
      Are you in favour of GOD or NO GOD

    • @tomellis4750
      @tomellis4750 Před 3 lety

      Give me a G give me an O give me B

    • @perrin6
      @perrin6 Před 3 lety

      Gods are powerful, imaginary people which we project onto our non-human environment because we feel alone and frightened of the cold and indifferent world around us.

    • @grande6075
      @grande6075 Před 3 lety

      @@perrin6 god was created by people because it is a necessary thing as human that we have to look for powerful being whom we can ask for help during calamities and similar things and for its personal necessity.

  • @cvsree
    @cvsree Před 3 lety +5

    this universe itself is an abstract object for God. we live in a dream. the Goal is to wake up!!

    • @tomrhodes1629
      @tomrhodes1629 Před 3 lety +1

      You are correct, Sreekanth. A teacher and prophet of God speaks: "How is God the Creator?" Once you know what "God" is, this question answers itself. For GOD IS THE MIND THAT IS ALL. There is nothing else. And if that raises further questions in your mind, I have all of the answers. Seek and ye shall find, just a "click" away....

  • @bajajones5093
    @bajajones5093 Před 2 lety

    Craig is on the money! a christian explanation of the Vedic.

  • @andrinjohnpolmunes5794

    I made a staff to walk stable in rough ways but I soon discover that I can use it to clear my way while walking through tall grasses.

  • @neffetSnnamremmiZ
    @neffetSnnamremmiZ Před 3 lety +7

    We already exercising creating worlds and resurrect extinct creatures, we already explore, how to create sun's, we found a physical level, where time is not an operator etc. Ancient people would think we are half gods. God comes through the back door!

    • @aqe7914
      @aqe7914 Před 3 lety

      And then quantum world: “Here hold my uncertain electron, I am and I am not, depending on you”

    • @REDPUMPERNICKEL
      @REDPUMPERNICKEL Před 2 lety

      @@aqe7914 Nah!
      A bad interpretation.
      Still,
      the universe will cease to exist when you do,
      that is to say,
      from your no longer existent perspective,
      eh?

    • @jeanavo3865
      @jeanavo3865 Před rokem

      God come in the flesh and lived among us and He still does.

  • @thomasridley8675
    @thomasridley8675 Před 3 lety +8

    God ? Which one ?
    We have had a separate version of a god for every culture that has ever existed.
    Its not like the current crop has any more credibility than all the others.

    • @neffetSnnamremmiZ
      @neffetSnnamremmiZ Před 3 lety +1

      Yes, and has reason why so different perspectives at god, exactly in the differences deeper understanding and wisdom and insights into god, the life, cuz it needs these different perspectives, not to describe in one system or language, so the different perspectives has good reason! ☝️

    • @thomasridley8675
      @thomasridley8675 Před 3 lety

      @The Mask
      It sure does seem too be the case.

    • @danielpaulson8838
      @danielpaulson8838 Před 3 lety +2

      Zeus, of course.

    • @thomasridley8675
      @thomasridley8675 Před 3 lety

      @The Mask
      If that's the case. Then their god is prone too making some big screwups. That seems too go against the
      goal of planetary theological dominance.
      Almost like people are trying too explain reality with the very limited knowledge of the time.

    • @thomasridley8675
      @thomasridley8675 Před 3 lety

      @The Mask
      That's so funny. Lucifer as the head asshole. 😂
      That would make more sense than a loving god.
      As far as a wide spread conspiracy too have total control. That would not work in the world we have today. Too many different views.

  • @whatawhatwhat9298
    @whatawhatwhat9298 Před 2 lety +1

    There is a creator there has to be a creator nothing can exist without a creator

    • @kensanity178
      @kensanity178 Před rokem

      Yeah, then there has to be a creator to create the creator, then another creator to create that creator. Its turtles all the way down.

  • @treasurepoem
    @treasurepoem Před 2 lety +1

    Not out of nothing but out of the spiritual power and energy of God.
    Hebrews 11:3
    “Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”
    22:28 Colossians 1:16
    King James Version
    16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

  • @beakmanbob
    @beakmanbob Před 3 lety +15

    I'm troubled that when we do not YET have an explanation or understanding of something that people feel the need to immediately attribute it to some supernatural being, whatever or whomever that being may be, without any basis of demonstrable proof. We doubt provable scientific facts while blindly accepting illogical beliefs without any proof what so ever. It boggles my mind!!

    • @perrin6
      @perrin6 Před 3 lety +2

      We project imaginary super-beings onto the world because we are social beings.

    • @alexcajiao7489
      @alexcajiao7489 Před 2 lety +11

      Creation, everything you see is the evidence that there is a GOD. Otherwise you believe everything came from nothing. And that’s scientifically impossible! Talk about mind boggling!

    • @Aguijon1982
      @Aguijon1982 Před 2 lety +1

      @@alexcajiao7489
      The latest Nobel physics laureate is proposing that the universe always existed, it just goes into cycles.
      But I guess that according to you he doesn't know physics, right?

    • @Aguijon1982
      @Aguijon1982 Před 2 lety +1

      @@iHardscope68
      And what is the explanation for the supernatural then? The super super natural? The super super duper natural?

    • @mikewannenburg5907
      @mikewannenburg5907 Před 2 lety +5

      @@Aguijon1982
      He doesn't know either that is why he is proposing the theory... The one theory is as plausible as the other... Science is stumbling along as much as religion is searching for answers

  • @bjm6275
    @bjm6275 Před 2 lety +5

    God used his own divine (potential) energy projected as eternal (kinetic energy) power to transform into many lower forms of energies and materials. His energy was guided by his breath or active force which is also called holy spirit. His divine force took the energy projected to form and make things of creation. Therefore, God is the Creator.

  • @haimbenavraham1502
    @haimbenavraham1502 Před 2 lety

    To be continued, either in this life, or in the next.

  • @geoffreymak000
    @geoffreymak000 Před 2 lety

    I have never heard the argument that god ‘s consciousness is needed to sustain the universe. I thought he went to rest on the 7th day which implies his effort is no longer needed…
    If god’s consciousness is needed to sustain all creation, and that math is a creation of god, are you saying if he decided to one day not sustain it, then 1+1 will not be 2 all of a sudden…?

  • @Q.Mechanic
    @Q.Mechanic Před 3 lety +3

    When we say 2+2=4 ,we've some idea of a physical reality to which it applies and is derived from. In pure abstract sense it doesn't make sense to say it

    • @kensanity178
      @kensanity178 Před rokem

      Yeah, especially when the number gets really big, then there actually be no understanding it outside of the abstract. E =mc^2 is one of those. C^2 alone is equal to, like 34 trillion(!) Considering it's the speed of light squared, the the dumb ones dont want to hear it any more.

  • @mindofmayhem.
    @mindofmayhem. Před 3 lety +4

    How is God the Creator? Dumb question if you should find yourself FORCED to exist in a reality CREATED just for that very existence.

    • @OzFPVflyer
      @OzFPVflyer Před 3 lety +1

      Best comment here. So very true but most are oblivious to it.

    • @tomrhodes1629
      @tomrhodes1629 Před 3 lety

      A teacher and prophet of God speaks: "How is God the Creator?" Once you know what "God" is, this question answers itself. For GOD IS THE MIND THAT IS ALL. There is nothing else. And if that raises further questions in your mind, I have all of the answers. Seek and ye shall find, just a "click" away....

    • @dankuchar6821
      @dankuchar6821 Před 3 lety

      @@tomrhodes1629
      Let no man take it this honor unto himself but he that was called of God as was Aaron.
      I think you'll find that in the Bible.

  • @0TDIedits0
    @0TDIedits0 Před 3 lety

    Sometimes we are blind for our faith and belief to open consciousness and truth of life, because we are afraid that we become boastful for what we teach for many becomes false. That's why we should cover up even we had already discovered the truth of it.

  • @garychartrand7378
    @garychartrand7378 Před 7 měsíci +1

    God is unlimited intelligent energy. We know that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. We also known that we can take an object and turn it into energy and the theory is that the process works both ways. In other words energy can becom material objects. If God is unlimited energy then it is conceivable that He Created physicality using the energy that is Himself. The amazing thing about this concept is thi even though He created the whole Universe - He still is unlimited intelligent energy.

  • @wayneasiam65
    @wayneasiam65 Před 3 lety +3

    Could God's Sustaining Power maybe explain the fuzziness of reality at quantum level?

    • @alheeley
      @alheeley Před 3 lety

      No its just a reflection of our current limits of understanding.

    • @strangerwithscience3597
      @strangerwithscience3597 Před 3 lety

      Nope

    • @bobmoore9475
      @bobmoore9475 Před 3 lety +1

      Like maybe the fuzziness at quantum levels is because reality at quantum levels is really irrelevant to our lives (reality) at our level.

  • @chris69calderon
    @chris69calderon Před 3 lety +4

    God is infinite consciousness and imagination.

    • @thomasridley8675
      @thomasridley8675 Před 3 lety

      Gods are limited only by the imagination of the people who need them too be real.
      Now its a universal consciousness ? What the hell does that even mean ?

    • @eddenz1356
      @eddenz1356 Před 3 lety +1

      And he’s anything you can imagine him to be

    • @thomasridley8675
      @thomasridley8675 Před 3 lety

      @@eddenz1356
      Isn't that part of the problem ?
      His version makes his version even less in control. Acting out a predetermined out come it can't change in any major way.

    • @tomrhodes1629
      @tomrhodes1629 Před 3 lety

      A teacher and prophet of God speaks: "How is God the Creator?" Once you know what "God" is, this question answers itself. For GOD IS THE MIND THAT IS ALL. There is nothing else. And if that raises further questions in your mind, I have all of the answers. Seek and ye shall find, just a "click" away....

    • @thomasridley8675
      @thomasridley8675 Před 3 lety +1

      @@tomrhodes1629
      When anyone tells you that they have all the answers. Just walk away. And save yourself a headache.😁

  • @simonhibbs887
    @simonhibbs887 Před rokem

    Regarding the existence of abstract objects. In a world with consistent behaviours, we should be able to create descriptions of that behaviour that are themselves consistent. That's all that numbers, mathematical formulae, theorems and even the 'laws' of physics are. Saying that numbers or other abstract objects "exist' is overloading the term "exist" in ambiguous ways. They are descriptions of what we observe, and some of them prove to be consistent with observations (mathematical and physical theorems that accurately predict experimental results) and others do not (epicycles and the crystal spheres of the heavens). But they do not in any way exist in the way that physical objects exist. There is no "realm" of numbers or abstract objects in any useful sense, they exist only in the way that language exists. They are not fundamental. Gravity does not attract us to the Earth 'because of' Newtonian or relativistic theory. Rather these theories are just more or less consistent descriptions of what we observe.

  • @seangrieves4359
    @seangrieves4359 Před 3 lety +1

    All Is God. Man knows we are, I am. Don't we all create through thought first then in action. Thought comes from nothing is made of such and goes to such. This is certainly experience. The vastness of mind without attributes shows apparent content as empty essence a vast empty spaciousness.

  • @cosmikrelic4815
    @cosmikrelic4815 Před 3 lety +3

    The nutters are here early this time.

  • @nickmcconnell770
    @nickmcconnell770 Před 3 lety +3

    God is the last refuge of those who couldn't succeed in science.

    • @joshheter1517
      @joshheter1517 Před 3 lety +1

      There are plenty of extremely successful scientists who are theists.

    • @nickmcconnell770
      @nickmcconnell770 Před 3 lety

      @J w Ben Carson was a neurosurgeon, not a scientist. Francis Collins was a chemist, physician, geneticist and science administrator; his knowledge of physics is similar to that of an average high school student. Hugh Ross did earn his B.Sc. in physics and his Ph.D. in astrophysics, but he apparently never learned the essence of science, which certainly permits speculations but requires that speculations (such as about the existence of any god) must be tested -- and rejected if they either fail their tests or (as in the case of god) preclude testing. So, again (until you identify some of the alleged "hundreds of Nobel prize winners [in science?]"), God is the last refuge of those who couldn't succeed in science. Stated differently, "God" is an abbreviation, used by nonscientists, for "I dunno", e.g., in response to "How did our universe come into existence?", they answer "God", i.e., "I dunno".

  • @luisclaudio4622
    @luisclaudio4622 Před 3 lety +2

    I think Polkinghorne just broke Kuhn's brain 😂

  • @Rickswars
    @Rickswars Před 2 lety +1

    The universe might be intact like earth not out of control. it is just moving in one direction.

  • @antongromek4180
    @antongromek4180 Před 2 lety +4

    "If a God created the Universe - who or what created this God?"

    • @lepidoptera9337
      @lepidoptera9337 Před 2 lety +4

      Men created all the gods. That's why they are all so limited and petty.

    • @antongromek4180
      @antongromek4180 Před 2 lety

      @@lepidoptera9337 You nailed it😁

    • @ImmortalIdeas
      @ImmortalIdeas Před 2 lety +1

      What was he in when he created it?
      And if hes all knowing..what's his first memory?
      ;)

    • @lepidoptera9337
      @lepidoptera9337 Před 2 lety

      @@mazolab If god doesn't know time and doesn't need it, then why did he create it for us? And if it's so not important, then why did he make our lifespans deliberately so short? And since he did, why is he going to torture us for eternity in a lake of fire for not believing in him for such a short time? So many questions... and no good answers. :-)

    • @lepidoptera9337
      @lepidoptera9337 Před 2 lety

      @@mazolab Thanks for the great wall of bullshit on the internet which didn't answer any of my questions. :-)

  • @hypergraphic
    @hypergraphic Před 3 lety +25

    My main problem with all those theologians is how they start with unprovable and unfalsifiable assumptions. I could replace every instance of the word God with a Unicorn and it would have equal validity. Hint: not that much.
    Also, if matter is self sustaining, and I then say it is sustained by Gods will alone, I’ve muddied the waters and there is no way to tell which is true.
    In essence whatever the truth is, God is an unprovable abstraction based on faith. Great for personal spirituality but let’s not pretend we know more than we really do.

    • @matusfrisik3887
      @matusfrisik3887 Před 3 lety +2

      Independently from religions and spirituality, God is another word for "unknown, that is prerequisite for existence as it is". Religions and spirituality are just built upon it, making some artificially constructed assumptions, but the basic idea of God remains the same.

    • @mrkingcat2
      @mrkingcat2 Před 3 lety +3

      A unicorn as a hypothesis is inempt as an explanation of the cause of the universe. "If God is the origin of the universe the designer of the fine tuning of the universe and the initial conditions of the big Bang then a unicorn couldnt be god.. Because a unicorn is a physical, material object extended in space and time and cannot be the cause of it.. nor the big bang and all reality because the creator has to exist beyond space and time and is the creator of all matter and energy, the cause of the universe has to be an immaterial, timeless, spaceless being which transcends the universe and brings it into existance at the intial cosmological singularity and therefore a unicorn cannot be the creator. Also not to mention the fine tuning of the laws of nature which a unicorn would it self be subject"

    • @laosi4278
      @laosi4278 Před 3 lety

      not really, we distinguish different concepts not only by different words by by different attributs and properties, God is the only word we assign to the immaterial, limitless creator, omni being which Himself outside of the universe, unicorn on the other hand don`t have this attributes, thats why we call it unicorn instead of God

    • @laosi4278
      @laosi4278 Před 3 lety

      @@matusfrisik3887 your conception of your god is the usual wrong conception of the atheists, they assume that Judeo-Christian God are just another god of the gaps,
      just look at the car, we belive car was invented by genius mind of engineer not because we don`t know who create it in the first place so we just assume someone did, but because we know the intricacies of the car that we believe that must be a genius who invented it

    • @matusfrisik3887
      @matusfrisik3887 Před 3 lety +1

      @@laosi4278 Car is artificially made from existing stuff. When savages from rainforest saw car for the first time, they think it's new big animal. But we know that car is human made. If we use argument of similarity, that car is moving and cat is moving and car is human made, then cat is also human made. Yet we know cat and car are different things, because concept of car was developed artificially. In a sense, domesticated cat is a result of artificial selection, but wild cat is a result of natural selection.
      This universe can be a complex simulation created by some superintelligent being. Yet even then, this being isn't true God, because it must exist within some existing set of physical laws. Unlike God. But, in principle, we could be able to find out what is basic building blocks of this superintelligent being and where does it come from. Yet we can't know what is God made of, because he is outside of the creation.

  • @kallianpublico7517
    @kallianpublico7517 Před 3 lety +1

    What does it mean to differentiate creation from causation? I think it has to do with different types of consciousness. The consciousness of the senses and the self-consciousness of the linguistic mind, and possibly other types of consciousness.
    The problem with explanation is that it relies solely on self-consciousness, the linguistic mind. There's no way one type of consciousness can be reduced or derived from another. In the same way you cannot say something that could literally teach someone how to ride a bike without prior experience. So experience has its own rules and logic for the body that the mind cannot apprehend through talking.
    So in some sense the inability of self-consciousness to "explain" consciousness, the consciousness of the body through experience, is the inability of causation to express creation. To causation creation is unknowable except as experienced. There is a gap that cannot be bridged, a nothingness between the something of consciousness and the something of self-consciousness, between creation and causation. This gap is the "thing" we call nothingness. To the self-conscious mind it is ignorance, to the conscious body it is the inexperienceable as given by evolutionary limitations.
    The corroborator of one is not the corroborator of the other, yet they both exist within us. How do we bridge the gap and still remain unified, one?

    • @REDPUMPERNICKEL
      @REDPUMPERNICKEL Před 2 lety

      "The consciousness of the senses and the self-consciousness of the linguistic mind"
      The following are writ as assertions for reasons of efficiency only.
      There is no such thing as the 'consciousness of the senses'.
      The 'consciousness of the senses' is essentially a psychological retro 'projection'
      trick of the self-conscious linguistic mind, the modern mind.
      Before the modern mind evolved,
      behavior was controlled entirely by *instinct* despite
      its often impressive complexity.
      Our ancestors were running on unconscious instinct right up until
      the arrival of the modern mind.
      Only after its arrival could the analogies generated by the sense organs
      manifest as objects in a conscious field.
      So it seems to me as extracted from Julian Jaynes' extraordinary theory,
      "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind".
      Cheers!

    • @kallianpublico7517
      @kallianpublico7517 Před 2 lety

      @@REDPUMPERNICKEL ".. objects in a conscious field." Whoever you're quoting can't escape the prism of the linguistic mind.
      Animals and babies posess no language. They do not exist by their instincts alone, absent of the senses. The assertion that our ancestors possessed consciousness absent of the senses is patently ridiculous. Why have eyes if instinct is enough?

    • @REDPUMPERNICKEL
      @REDPUMPERNICKEL Před 2 lety

      @@kallianpublico7517 ?
      There was no assertion that our ancestors were conscious.
      The assertion is that our ancestors were NOT conscious and did not become conscious until the evolution of language hit upon the self concept (as a means to deal with control problems associated with the complexity inherent in larger populations as civilizations (running on instinct, aided by ritual and ceremony in the absence of writing) continued to be successful).

    • @kallianpublico7517
      @kallianpublico7517 Před 2 lety

      @@REDPUMPERNICKEL Yes that's what is ridiculous.

    • @REDPUMPERNICKEL
      @REDPUMPERNICKEL Před 2 lety

      @@kallianpublico7517 Imagine you are driving a car down a familiar road and that you are at the same time enjoying a deep philosophical conversation with your friend, the passenger beside you.
      The thoughts controlling your driving behavior have receded completely from your conscious field as you concentrate on translating complex thoughts into speech so your friend can understand you.
      You might say that you accomplish the complex driving task on automatic, unconsciously in fact.
      Now imagine all of the tasks required of ancient self-concept-lacking minds could be accomplished without being conscious, done in the same way you accomplished that driving task. Imagine how relatively simple life was during the first few millennia of civilization and how integral and important ritual and ceremony must have been to the guidance of behavior.
      And keep in mind how difficult it is to not project modern concepts onto the ancients as so many historians and anthropologists and movie makers have done. If you've seen the film "One Million Years B.C." with Raquel Welch you'll know exactly what I mean.

  • @robertmcclintock8701
    @robertmcclintock8701 Před rokem

    God was crying for years. It sounded like a squeaky wheel that sounded like a bird. It didn't make me feel mentally ill and was kind of comforting not being alone. I didn't think of suicide the whole time God was crying. That was probably it's purpose. He probably saved my life.

  • @ShiftyPots
    @ShiftyPots Před 3 lety +7

    Maybe next week you could do a show on the Easter Bunny and follow up with what we know about the Tooth Fairy.

  • @afriedrich1452
    @afriedrich1452 Před 3 lety +12

    Before God could create everything out of nothing (the easy part), God had to first create nothing (the hard part).

    • @a.tavakoli
      @a.tavakoli Před 3 lety +3

      Nothingness needs no creation.

    • @Zatoitchy
      @Zatoitchy Před 3 lety +2

      What do you mean by “God”? Define.

    • @Reg22158
      @Reg22158 Před 3 lety +2

      Perhaps Meaning to create nothing except the possibilities.
      But if we start with god existing we are already skipping over the hard part.

    • @afriedrich1452
      @afriedrich1452 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Reg22158 Then again, maybe God creating itself was the easiest of all.

    • @afriedrich1452
      @afriedrich1452 Před 3 lety +3

      ​@@Zatoitchy Definition of God: What nobody, and especially theologians, knows what they are talking about.

  • @bobs4429
    @bobs4429 Před 2 lety

    The conversation about abstract concepts was interesting, but I think there is one item that is indeed abstract and but has a similar but more consequential problem than those discussed: time. The God that each spoke of is the Christian God. In his role as sustainer he is a personal God that moves in our lives and can be called upon in prayer to act. This makes God a being, albeit supreme, in time. On the other hand, the Christian God is the creator of everything ex nihilo so he must have created time. But as a being how could He have had a moment of creation? How could he have designed this intricate universe if there was no time for designing? Even if His design activity was instantaneous it still needed to be instantaneous in time, but time itself would necessarily have to be part of that design. For me this shows a fundamental incoherence in the Christian concept of God.

    • @REDPUMPERNICKEL
      @REDPUMPERNICKEL Před 2 lety

      "there is one item that is indeed abstract... : time"
      I agree completely.
      The realization of that, as a fact, I find very calming,
      partly because it evaporates all the silly temporal paradoxes and
      partly in the comfortable feeling of constancy I get while looking at
      all the stuff around me, stuff that simply is.
      No beginning, no yesterday, no now, no tomorrow, no ending,
      just pure, raw, naked, self sufficient, permanent *being*,
      one way or another.
      To say he created a chair, which ceased being when he burned it,
      is to disregard the fact that not one atom began or ended in the process.
      It is lazy linguistic thinking that mundanely asserts beginnings and endings
      of things when the truth is always, always, merely rearrangement.
      We know of course that atoms are not fundamental.
      They are simply arrangements of sub units some of which
      have even smaller bits that constitute them.
      At that level of conceptual magnification
      (smaller than the photons that make seeing possible)
      the boundaries between matter and fields and vibrations and energy
      becomes so blurry and strange one despairs of ever finding ultimate reality.
      Until we get there, if we get there, if it's possible to get there,
      anything we assert today about 'reality' has
      an unknowable but definite likelihood of being wrong.
      Right?
      (To say nothing about the fact that everything we think,
      exits in the representational encoded form of neural discharge frequency abstractions).
      Cheers!

  • @Rohit-oz1or
    @Rohit-oz1or Před 11 měsíci

    4:13 This distinction is important for marketing purposes

  • @thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646

    So let me get this straight, William knows how confusing the universe is, but still tells people its obvious to him? If it's all so obvious what the answer is, why was he so stumped?

    • @Dion_Mustard
      @Dion_Mustard Před 3 lety +1

      because he's an open minded flesh n blood human being?

    • @thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646
      @thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646 Před 3 lety +5

      @@Dion_Mustard he says everyone is lying about not being convinced there is a god....

    • @thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646
      @thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646 Před 3 lety +6

      @@Dion_Mustard the word obviously, means easy to comprehend and point out to others. You cannot be stumped by a thing is supposed to be obvious.

    • @tomrhodes1629
      @tomrhodes1629 Před 3 lety

      Those who lack WISDOM think they know things that they do not know. It doesn't matter how INTELLIGENT they are. Intelligence without wisdom is like a boat without water; it will get you nowhere. A teacher and prophet of God speaks: "How is God the Creator?" Once you know what "God" is, this question answers itself. For GOD IS THE MIND THAT IS ALL. There is nothing else. And if that raises further questions in your mind, I have all of the answers. Seek and ye shall find, just a "click" away....

    • @thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646
      @thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646 Před 3 lety

      @Matityahu you sounds like a person who could literally be in hell, and still would say, yea that's God, what a great guy.

  • @Monster_Mover_Stocks
    @Monster_Mover_Stocks Před 3 lety +3

    Craig thinks he knows that which cannot be known. That equals a delusional dunce as far as I'm concerned.

    • @thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646
      @thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646 Před 3 lety

      IWHAT, you mean to tell me....if a thing is being my comprehension.....I cannot just open a book written by man, ignore the actual text and make up whatever I want?

    • @system0fadowner251
      @system0fadowner251 Před 3 lety

      @@thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646 the only thing I know Craig from is the debate with Sean Carroll which like every religious debate, went absolutely nowhere.

    • @thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646
      @thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646 Před 3 lety

      @@system0fadowner251 it never will.

    • @tomrhodes1629
      @tomrhodes1629 Před 3 lety

      Intelligence is useless on its own. Intelligence without wisdom is like a boat without water. it won't take you anywhere. A teacher and prophet of God speaks: "How is God the Creator?" Once you know what "God" is, this question answers itself. For GOD IS THE MIND THAT IS ALL. There is nothing else. And if that raises further questions in your mind, I have all of the answers. Seek and ye shall find, just a "click" away....

    • @Monster_Mover_Stocks
      @Monster_Mover_Stocks Před 3 lety

      @@tomrhodes1629 You read a book written by humans. Congrats.

  • @robertwenzler8804
    @robertwenzler8804 Před 3 lety

    one thing bugs me. Can there be only one timeline? Since we experience only one, does that rule out others? can there be only one type of timeline?:

    • @kmmahendra9205
      @kmmahendra9205 Před 3 lety

      Can you define TIME in a perfect way ?
      What is time ? probably after answering this question, if we go further to ask other questions would be more appropriate.
      What do you think TIME is ?

    • @buddhaneosiddhananda8499
      @buddhaneosiddhananda8499 Před 2 lety

      Time is not linear, there are infinite time lines, every which way and that, to the nth degree...time is literally infinite...

  • @iosho3473
    @iosho3473 Před rokem

    Thank you utube, Thank you google translate for caption, so that I can understand this lecture in Hindi language.

  • @randysteele6741
    @randysteele6741 Před 3 lety +12

    Exactly what's new here? This is just a standard sermon disguised as intellectual enquiry. The entire premise is bogus as the faithful presuppose that god exists. The narrator says, "If god exists..." But it's obvious he already believes a god exists. And not just any god, but conveniently, the god in which he happens to believe. Funny how that works.

  • @buckeyeman7631
    @buckeyeman7631 Před 3 lety +4

    Man created God, and didn't even do a very good job at that.

    • @micheal74rich
      @micheal74rich Před 3 lety

      You are right about the Christian's god.
      What do you know about the God of the Quran?
      Is it fair to paint everyone on the same brush ?

    • @buckeyeman7631
      @buckeyeman7631 Před 3 lety +1

      @@micheal74rich same God, different name. that statement should answer both your first and second questions. As for the third, is it fair? Sure. It sure is.

    • @buckeyeman7631
      @buckeyeman7631 Před 3 lety

      @J w sounds like you're not very sure of yourself now.

    • @micheal74rich
      @micheal74rich Před 3 lety

      ​@@buckeyeman7631 _"same God, different name. "_
      True It was the same God who sent Torah, Injeel and Quran, however due to Bible has been corrupted by men, the concept of God has polluted to a level, it has become like Hindus' concept of God and it is obvious you have zero knowledge about the concept of God in Islam, I bet you never seen a Quran in real life.
      _" As for the third, is it fair? Sure. It sure is. "_
      You never seen a Quran in real life, you never read Quran and you never knew the concept of God in Islam, so you are sincerely dishonest.

    • @sidneymartin7346
      @sidneymartin7346 Před 3 lety

      Man created religion, God created man.

  • @lilgoppy
    @lilgoppy Před rokem

    Thank you very much for this logic! Very Controversial and us non-believers would love to know. Without hearing, because it is written or because someone said so. I think the Universe or Earth should have credit rights to as who is the creator of the Universe Earth. There is a creator for everything. I will not believe in one creator.

  • @jamesruscheinski8602
    @jamesruscheinski8602 Před 3 lety

    Free Will looks like monotheism that created cosmos and consciousness.

  • @thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646

    William is a joke.

  • @fc-qr1cy
    @fc-qr1cy Před rokem +2

    What I love about the Creator. I do not have to prove anything. I can just enjoy the blessings in life. it is that simple.

    • @stevepierce6467
      @stevepierce6467 Před rokem +1

      Funny. I can enjoy the good things in life without having to do mental gyrations to believe something unbelievable.

    • @jeanavo3865
      @jeanavo3865 Před rokem +1

      I love you ❤️

    • @kensanity178
      @kensanity178 Před rokem +1

      Sorry, but you do have to prove. Virgin birth is not possible. Coming back to life is not possible. You can prove prayers are not answered seven days a week and twice on Sunday. You actually can prove Evolution: all species are descended from a closely related, previously existing species.

    • @quakers200
      @quakers200 Před 2 měsíci

      Absolutely. If only man had not created hell and hoped that most people would end up there.

  • @jayb5596
    @jayb5596 Před 2 lety

    Abstract objects are a projection of self. I look at self as a type of sentient observer that creates abstract objects to represent the measured field interactions. We feel like we are self and we all have our own unique little self. I think we all share a self, the only thing any of us ever experience is the projections of self. Self is not unique to the individual, the individual is unique to self. I think self is the only observer in this universe. Self measures the wave and projects unto us the particles. We think we are the oberserver and we are actually part of the observation. So the only thing that actually changes from observation is the projection of the observation. This is why we all see the world through a similar lense it's self projections that drives correlative cognitive functions. Modern computers wouldn't be able to provide us with rich audio and visual experience if it weren't for the self associations we have made to the binary system. Duality of self and particle wave duality are a perfect duo to drive consciousness.

  • @constructivecritique5191
    @constructivecritique5191 Před 2 lety +1

    If nature is eternal then the part that is separate from the material world and eternal us God.