Cardiologist Explains the Latest Red Meat Research
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- Are red & processed meat back on the menu? An academic cardiologist reviews and explains the controversial new research claiming red meat isn't harmful after all.
I have attempted to be as neutral as possible. I love steak but I also love the planet. The video format is an objective analysis of the data with no personal opinions or bias until the last 2 minutes.
For new viewers, my channel is normally fairly crappy looking, but not THIS crappy looking. But I've just arrived in Kolkata, India. The city that time forgot. This video has so far taken me 3 hours to upload in my in-laws' house!
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The new research -
Meta-analysis of cohort studies: annals.org/aim...
Meta-analysis of RCTs: annals.org/aim...
Guidelines: annals.org/aim...
Editorial (by Healthcare Triage's Aaron Carroll): annals.org/aim...
Good links:
www.medpagetod...
www.bmj.com/co...
If you want to learn more about that eventful plane journey I mentioned, read the full story here: twitter.com/MedCrisis/status/1179694728712986624. It'll probably end up as a video. In the meantime, I'm off to eat some fish. Which is good for you. I think.
Might want to start wiping the sweat of you upper lip if you're planning on shooting more videos in India. It looks like you're having "the meat sweats"
That's exactly what I said to my wife when I saw the footage! Maybe that would make a good quickie video "are the meat sweats a real thing?"
@@MedlifeCrisis make testosteron video, prenatal, when we age, how to increase, decrease, bath balls will sun..
Sorry man, I love your videos and your sense of humor in particular but I think you have been duped by this 'research', as also pointed out by all the leading health experts and organizations. NutriRECS seems to be a very dubiously sponsored organization, basically they are for hire, as exposed by your fellow blogger Mic here:
czcams.com/video/lgEKBRe755Y/video.html
I mean, what happened to the link between meat and colon cancer? Of course, I am not currently a meat eater (in my previous life I loved read meat but then I had a 19 minute flatline) but like you and unlike NutriRECS I am not sponsored by anyone either...
Is it the bad fish with the heavy metal contamination or the good fish with high omega 3? :')
A cardiologist in Calcutta turned off the fans and air-conditioning. This is what happened on his next flight...
Hypo meaning LOW
*Kolkata
@meliohe! no homo
Presenting to the emergency room with....
Hyper meaning high, and Thermia meaning heat. dude fucking melted lol
I trained a flea to jump on command. I would yell "Jump!" and it would jump. I decided to conduct an experiment. I pulled off a leg one at a time and yell "Jump!". As best as it could, it would still jump until I pulled off the last leg. No matter how loud I would yell, it would just sit there giving me a stupid look. I came to the conclusion that if one pulls all the legs off a flea, it goes deaf.
ur not wrong tho
Well done man. Where have your kind congregated? Surely you all are not among us still? How could you endure us?
This comment is so good!
@@kjellman96 A funny creature is the flea!
You cannot tell the he from she
But He can tell !
And so can She!!
This is replication study of same soviet experiment on the fly! And they came in to the same conclusion. So you must be right...
We appreciate all of the literal sweat you put into this video by going AC free so that we can hear your balanced explanation of these studies.
Heat stress can turn on longevity genes too. If you don't heat stroke or etc.
We now have a population of 'healthy' meat eaters and 'healthy' plant eaters, 'healthy' in the sense that they avoid smoking, drinking, excess sugars, or other items generally regarded as detrimental to health and even follow a daily workout routine.. So following these people for 20yrs would give us the data we need for a somewhat more reliable study.
Hopefully somebody is doing that. IMO you don't really need to though because you can see the difference in blood and other tests after even a couple weeks. I eat vegan for a week and my blood pressure goes below "normal" healthy levels, throw in a steak here and there and it pops right back up. Would be interesting how much of a change you get out of a steak every day.
@@tayloranderson456 That what it does to you. I get virtually no effect on my blood pressure from going vegan.
You don't get it@@fukofffukwits. YOU have to go meat-free so Taylor feels healthy. Knowledge is invalid; trust Taylor's third eye.
it wouldn't , the ones doing the studies usually have some ideological or monetarily motivated reason to want a certain outcome or just as bad they simply are incompetent and make many errors. I've just made a study today right now that's definitely minimum just as accurate as the average study out there and the result is that less than 0,5% of studies are performed correctly and with no motive or bias. What I won't mention is how out of the 10000 researchers interviewed only one (me) responded.
Asians eat red meat since thousands years ago. The problem arise to us now because of the sugars, processed meat n foods that enter our stomach.
Cool. So, it looks like I can continue my "eat mostly veggies because they're cheap, but throw in some red meat because I get anaemic" diet.
Sounds like red meat should be a staple of your diet. My girlfriend gets iron deficiency unless i feed her red meat on a regular basis and she isn't vegan.
@@mathiastegtmeier9714 Yeah, same. And it is.
I got quite anaemic / iron deficient during a prolonged illness a few years ago. I wasn't responding to the supplements enough (I don't absorb iron well unless is from animal products for some reason), so my doctor just went "I'm telling you to go eat as much steak as you want. Be happy about it."
Over the years I've worked out that I need to have red meat for one of the meals most days, to stay withing acceptable iron/hemoglobin levels. Greens make very little difference, sadly.
My parents are the ones in charge of feeding me steak (or roast) in this case 😂 They save their few red meat meals for when I come over, because I'm too much of a cheapskate to buy anything but ground meat and beef trimmings.
You won't get anemic on a plant based diet, it's a myth.
@@S_Carol On a side note, vitamin C is actually better for iron absorption than iron supplements. Let that sink in.
@@goku445 As long as you have iron in the other foods you eat vitamin C helps but it wont increase your iron levels on it's own, just as calcium decreases the uptake
"Big Moo and The Carrot Conspiracy" is the name of my vegan straightedge band.
Cuzican Aerospace fuck yeah, i'd buy your ep on the band name alone
Cuzican Aerospace carrot cabal
Aaargh too late!
@Stephen Laverty you can't be serious lol
@@alexgobaks1954 Plants have feelings too!!!!!
If I was on a flight and needed a doctor, I would be ecstatic that you were on it. Thanks for helping people in need.
mboeddy I’d totally fake a medical emergency mid-flight if I saw one of the legendary CZcams doctors on board.
Or just go up and say hi. Whichever.
@@lindsaysheffield plz hust say hi.
Aaron Rigg Haha yeah, probably a better idea. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
mad ass you...you guys know I’m joking, right?
What if it's United Airlines though?
@0:47 "Unfortunately there's a lot of tribalism that infects, dietary discussions" … truer words have rarely been said.
Mainstream doctors are as tribal as any group of people.
Tribalism is singlehandedly dividing us
I think one factor for why that is, is that what works for people is different.
Can we treat it with antibiotics?
And towards the end he promotes the vegan diet. Ha ha he has his bias too!!!
I've always been frustrated/confused by the lumping together of "red meat" together with "processed meat". They're both used together/interchangeably in the things I hear/read (albeit 2nd hand) in "scientific reporting". But surely there's a difference between a steak and a heavily treated/reconstituted/glued/smoked dried meat/sausage (because of chemicals smoke ect.)? And what constitutes processed? Is a burger processed because it's ground?
Yeah, it's infuriating honestly. Steaks and hot dogs are not even remotely similar.
@@paulj6805 They are both extremely unhealthy though.
@@kingexplosionmurderfuckoff9376 lmao not even. You wouldn't be here today without cooked meat. Humans are frugivore-based animals who have adapted to eating cooked meat for a long time. Obviously 100% carnivore is bad, but to say eating meat is unhealthy is denying the biology of humans,
@@kingexplosionmurderfuckoff9376 and the original post is just strengthened by your comment. Hardly any of these studies separate red meat and processed meats. Meaning, the literature is VERY limited on only red meat, but you come to your conclusion based off the majority of studies that are poorly done
@@paulj6805 they are both trash
This just in, everything both cures and causes cancer
I've come to the conclusion that science is the biggest cause of cancer in lab rats.
3 things cause it: trauma, stress, and sugar.
Cancer can't live in a clean enviorment... Repent your sins.. Clean your soul and body
@@JohnM... true.
Cancer has an affinity for sugars
It's weird how the only way to get an objective analysis from a relevant professional about recent health research is through CZcams.
I have grown used to it, I get a lot of educational material from youtube these days!
Meta-analysis papers are generally a good way to get that kind of info. The problem is that often the access is restricted behind a paywall (not this case), and it might be hard or impossible to find a specific paper for free
You're all full of shit lol.
www.nap.edu/search/?author=HMD&rpp=20&ft=1&term=dri&collection=57
Here's the entire state of the art research summary on nutrition, available for free.
health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/guidelines/
Here it is repackaged as simple guidelines.
This is not hard to google at all.
No, the blame is on the individuals who know they could google it in 5 minutes but are too lazy. Alternatively, it's the primary schools' fault for not teaching basic digital literacy to children. It is not the scientist's job to convey anything to the public. It's his job to do science. And how is making these reports freely available online on a dedicated platform and even creating a whole new website with condensed information and easy to follow guidelines based on the reports not an exceptional effort of conveying it to the public? What more do you want?
That's not what "meta-analysis" means but you're right about the overall results.
All health research needs to be prefaced with the disclaimer “you’re certain to die of something, anyway.”
Made me think of Ask a Mortician's outro for her videos: "...and remember, someday you will die.".
@Alan Laletin thanks! You seem an expert on dumb statements.
I won't believe such research.
@@Dellvmnyam go you!
Red and processed meat lol. Its like putting Quinoa and donuts in the same category because they both contain carbs.
😂
yea, processed meat has cancerogenic shit, sugar, sweeteners, soy added to it
Exactly.
@@maslav4241 One of the carcinogenic substances you've mentioned is curing salt - sodium nitrate. When this is used to preserve bacon, it binds with the proteins and amino acids in the meat and forms nitrosamines, which are highly carcinogenic. Other nasty compounds include PAHs (polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons), which are formed in smoked meats, and HCAs (heterocyclic amines), which are created when meat is cooked over an open flame. Bottom line: steer clear of any meat that hasn't been seasoned or preserved with anything other than salt. Never buy sausages in packs - go to the butchers and have mince made fresh for you with cuts you choose on the day and bring your own seasoning with you - dried garlic, flaked salt and paprika works a treat. Only eat grass-fed beef - it's vastly superior to corn - and eat lamb and beef more than chicken and pork, which are much less nutritionally dense. I'm confident that if you sampled a population who ate this diet, you'd find significant health benefits. However, so much dietary research lumbers all meat together into the same pot. This is kind of like studying the health benefits of H20 by merging a population that drinks mountain spring water with one that sources its supply from the Ganges River. Idiotic ain't the word.
@@davesmith826 As someone who exclusively eats bacon and canned sausage from Dollar Tree and sources my water directly from the Ganges, I detest your comment you fiend!!
Why do they always bundle processed meat with red meat? The composition and immediate effects of "red meat" is vastly different from meat than can be described as "processed" which is often a mixture of mystery animal based slime and nitrite preservatives. There is also even a vast difference of composition even within the umbrella of natural unprocessed "red meat". Between animals (be it swine, cattle or mastodons), the diet of those animals, the selection of body parts (especially organs vs muscle tissue) and how they are cooked. A category and outrageously broad as "red meat and processed meat" and then relying on self management and reporting of diet, is essentially totally useless. If there happened to be a RADICAL disparity in results, such as everyone eating the meat were experiencing prompt heart attacks, strokes and deaths in direct correlation with the volume of meat they were eating. It could be used as an indicator to begin more detailed and well controlled research. But even then you couldnt call it evidence of anything, because it is all self reported.
they are both trash
Your middle-of-the-road conclusion has made me so... middle-of-the-road. No, seriously, science will not always yield an answer that will end a debate. Thank you for also illustrating this fact.
That depends on the science.
@@mmbon9739 that was clearly implied by his wording.
@@mmbon9739 Exactly.
not even undeniable scientifical conclusions can end a debate. say so to climate change and flat earthers
@@salvadorfeliperodbec i agree. there will always be one definitively correct answer but most people tend to believe what they want to believe.
Great video - I'm a biologist and for a long time have thought much of the dietary advice we get is based on poor science. This is a shame because it makes it harder for people to take valuable advice seriously.
@Damian Matthewson not that simple. Requires coordination with multiple people
As a med student I really enjoy your sense of pragmatic realness and humor and how you dissect science in a down to earth way...
You could say he makes it *easily digestible* ;-)
@@recklessroges I find it hard to swallow since it's a cardiologist saying the jury is still out on meat. That's like a mechanic saying we don't know if cars contributes to climate change.
@@tayloranderson456 Actually, not at all. If you cared to pay attention to what he said you'd know that his doubts are reasonable.
Good luck to people who can afford red meat
Science should reflect life. If science can be roasted in those terms -- it is a poorly made research.
Im a pretty hardcore vegan and I enjoyed the middle of the road analysis here. Sometimes you gotta take a break from videos confirming your own biases even if its a bit unconfortable
Veganism isn't for health but for morals
@@DiaJasin but its still probably not unhealthy as long as u get all the nutrients u need, or is processed vegan foods a big problem too?
@@Kenny...... Veganism started with the sole purpose to reduce animal suffering as much as possible, thou in recent years it seems to be half hijacked by health conscious people. Point is even thou vegan food these days def seems much healthier than average (thou I suppose any diet food is much healthier than the average), that's not an inherent property.
Don't know if it's actually done but there're plenty of junk food that can probably be vegan without much effort and with no loss of junkiness. Soft drinks, chips, cake, what have you.
@@DiaJasin Also for the planet. Meat wastes a ton of resources and destroys the planet.
@@DiaJasin loads of people go vegan for health concerns and not for morals.
Thank you for being a medical professional without an agenda and speaking intelligently about these studies. Obviously most people are not trained to interpret the literature, know nothing about test construction, research design, advanced statistical analysis etc. but those of us who are get tired of docs on CZcams not even attempting to remain objective. Awesome work!
I appreciate the balanced assessment. As someone who is vegan for ethical reasons but follows the advice of Nutrition Facts, Physicians Committee etc. it is refreshing to hear this. I don't understand the diet wars at all, can you be healthy eating meat, of course. Can you be healthy following a vegan diet, of course. The real problem is eating unhealthy foods to excess and not exercising.
I don't think we should spend so much time arguing over which diet is 'better', the better one for your health is the one you can follow. While there are certainly many good reasons to go vegan environmentally and ethically speaking, and I believe it is the correct choice. Eating vegan at Leon (or other fast food place, not meaning to single you out there doc) long term would be awful for your health I'm sure. I stick to Dean Ornish's advice, eat real foods not too much and exercise.
If all diets are the same health-wise, we should follow the one that produces the least amount damage to the planet and that is a plant based diet.
I totally agree. Tell that to your fellow travelers. Most omnivores really don't care if you choose vegan. we want the militant vegans to leave us alone. Quit marching on freaking pizza parlors.lol
@@leighalaughlin4056 Well you see the problem is , we also want to speak up for the animals .
And the logic is undeniable : Since we don't need meat to be healthy it is animal abuse to kill an animal just for our pleasure .
Most people don't want to abuse animals and when they realise the logic of it , they will stop but untill then , we have to keep informing people .
Although I agree that the pizza hut kids are a bit cringe .
Luke Harwood Even veganism can be bad. I know some people who were vegan but have switched to either a lacto-ovo vegetarian or pescatarian diet for health reasons. There are a growing number of former vegans and unfortunately they've had to deal with bullying and backlash from the vegan comunity. Sorry but some of you are just toxic.
A well known author, Michael Pollan, said almost the exact same thing:
"Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."
BTW, he is not a vegetarian or vegan.
By "food" he means unprocessed whole foods.
Eating beef in India can be an increased risk of dying. I see what you did there. :D
Millions are starving in Indiana because they have to let there real food crap in the streets and hold up traffic.
True. Those radicalised Hindus are probably a greater depth risk than moderate consumption of red meet, especially beef.
@- king- Just so you know, American homeless are often obese. :) Almost all of our long term homeless are addicts or nuts and won't stay on their meds. They're not homeless because they're "just poor". Their poverty and homelessness has a common root. (And it's not legal to lock people up in America anymore just for being crazy and off their meds.)
@@toomanymarys7355 same thing in India, most of the people living in slums are just pure lazy and they often have apartments that they put on rent and enjoy their lazy ass life
@@GlennMarshallnz radicalized Hindu over radicalized Muslim any day of the week.
I have been eating "vegan" for almost 40years, I also have been a powerlifter for 25 years. I have stopped praising the health benefits of the plants only diet. Indeed, over the years, as I tried to use research as proof of the claim, I found that it is basically impossible. On the other hand, as you did, I explain anyone interested that the environmental advantages are many, and there is a definite reduction in death...of chicken, cows and other animals, not to mention their constant suffering. And that is not to be discounted.
this is the reason I'm a vegetarian. I don't care about the health benefits I just think cows are cute
Why should one care if cows or chickens die ?
@@lvl99paint You can think they’re cute and still want to eat them. I adore all animals but I also adore the way they taste.
I have no problems with being vegetarian and I’m not here to argue, I just thought I’d point this out.
I don’t think caring about the environment is equivalent to wanting all animals to live until old age peacefully. The natural world is brutal and horrific where things get eaten alive and tormented and children die every day all over the world. Constant fighting and suffering. We want this to continue because that is what constitutes the environment and natural world. Otherwise we must execute all carnivorous animals to save everything they eat.
It’s more about the overall picture. I want some of everything to survive long enough to continue in the way nature does. I’m not personally fussed about a few cows and chickens when there’s millions of others, it’s not like they’re going extinct from being farmed. The trouble is the overarching effects on the environment from mass farming, like greenhouse gas emissions causing global warming and then killing everything on the planet. Not just some individual animals.
It’s natural for us to eat and kill other beings just as it’s natural for them to do so. It’s just unfortunate our brains are quite good and we got incredibly good at doing certain things to the extent we are harming ourselves along with everything else on this planet.
@@jaymercer4692 Okay, a few things:
1. Wild carnivores do not have the cognitive ability to make moral decisions. Fortunately, humans do, therefore, we can, should and generally do hold ourselves to moral standards.
2. There is a distinction between wild animals and domesticated, farmed ones. domesticated animals wouldn't exist if we didn't continually choose to breed and farm them. In my view, that makes us morally responsible for their welfare. I would also argue that economically-viable animal agriculture is not compatible with ensuring that welfare, therefore we shouldn't continue to breed them.
3. 'It's natural for us to do x' is not a moral argument for anything. If you define 'natural' as 'stuff humans 100,000 year ago might do', then it's also probably 'natural' for us to murder each other, engage in inter-tribal warfare, cheat on our partners...etc. What matters is not what's 'natural', it's whether something is in our conscious control, which dietary choices _definitely_ are.
"People love to hear good news about their bad habits." Dr. John McDougall.
Why do you quote that senial fuckin idiot?😂😂😂😂
Laddie Ervin mcdougall is not the be all end all... there’s lots of science to refute what he says.
@@mR-dc4oq There's lots of "science" to refute his patients getting better on the diet he prescribes? Hilarious.
@@airholeahole1 You're right anybody who quotes anyone over 50 must be an idiot! You're a genius! Aristotle, who? That moron! He's both dead and OLD! What could he know? Right?
It's amazing how much searching and cherry-picking people will do to justify eating red meat every day. And meat bloggers make good money cherry-picking research for them.
It's like I've had alcoholic friends who literally get withdrawal tremors, happily quoting me articles about how red wine increases longevity (smh)
Demonstrations of meat hazard has always been in context of high refined carb consumption, as well as high proportion of "meat" coming from cans.
Indeed. People who eat burgers are also eating tons of fries and drinking huge sugary drinks.
@@alexcarter8807 isn't it more likely the fat/fried instead of the potato which is bad for you?! Potato iself has only about 60-80 kcal per 100g if just boiled...
@@AzathothTheGreat even water ;)
@@nopenope1 Vegetable oil is what they fry them in, very bad for you.
@Razorback73 You`re talking about keto aren`t you. Far better for anyone that wants to be healthy.
5:50
It's the "Physician's Committee for Responsible *Medicine"* rather than "Responsible Eating".
He does not seem to be detail oriented. I wonder what other details he mentioned are wrong. Good reason for me to unsub.
@@brucepugh1536
Why? That seems like a pretty unimportant mistake.
@@Pyriphlegeton He has multiple playlists of crackpot youtubers discussing candida, dairy causing cancer and all that good stuff.
@@SpaghettiToaster
Whom? Dr. Rohin Francis?
Or are you talking about the Physicians Committee?
The Bruce guy you're replying to.
It was about 11 30 pm here in Pakistan when this video was uploaded. I still watched it even though I had school tomorrow. I guess I can not resist my favourite youtuber :)
Thank you Senpai for the heart.
Perhaps he'll do a video on sleep deprivation.
Well.....I hope that 10 minute video didn't ruin your night.....lol
Yeah, I've been vegetarian for 24 years mostly because of the ethics/compassion, taste, and environment. I think the health reasons aren't as compelling. The problem is that most meat people eat is highly processed, fried, or mixed with other unhealthy food. I'd guess that pure game meat (from hunting) is probably the best, followed by meat you cook yourself at home. I choose not to eat any though.
Weekly I eat NZ$14/kilo beef from local (New Zealand) farmers who feed their animals grass and silage. I don't eat processed or cured meat as they contain nitrates and sulphates, sulphites. Sugar-cured, manuka-smoked bacon is a treat. No sausages as they are salty, starchy and fatty.
Wild caught fish is good. Just don't eat to much due to the mercury.
Any meat consumtion, even of unprocessed game meat, results in TMAO creation.
Hunted animals have hormonal surges, that have shown to affect consumers negatively actually.
The only animal that used to be assumed as beneficial to the human body, had been wild fish, but even that is being argued against now.
Our oceans aren't what they used to be.
@@theterriblepuddle1830 exactly.
Vegans keep pushing their stupid ideas like 7kg food is required to create 1kg meat, and that 7kg food can feed more humans.
Well fun fact vegans, that 7kg food is "cow food" not human food.
So as more people go vegan, more vegan farms will be needed, therefore more killing of insects and small animals whose environments and ecosystems get destroyed by mono crop farming.
Like, humans can eat the kernels of 🌽. But the stock is only edible by cows, which is what they eat. So no, cows are not eating off of our plates.
They just eat a different part of the plant, which we cannot eat.
It's hilarious.
" red and processed meat" seems to group 2 completely different foods. Red meat is a thing in nature and ANYTHING processed is more a Franken-food that I avoid altogether. That would be like grouping nuts and pecan pie as similar foods.
True but apart from both containing animal one commonality is the fact both are high in saturated fat, which is known to increase heart disease risk. Strange then that the studies here adjusted for cholesterol levels, when cholesterol levels are driven in large part by consumption of saturated fat!
Red meat is not bad for you.
It's the green furry meat that's bad for you.
But green furry cheese is awesome.
So... Caterpillars?
@Leslie Gibbons I'm pretty sure "green fury meat" refers to meat made out of the Grinch
@@UncleKennysPlace Aw man! Guess I'll have to eat black furry meat instead.
TM is 22 year old man presenting to the emergency room with hypohumoremia.
Hypo meaning low.
Humor referring to appreciation of jokes and emia meaning *P R E S E N C E I N B L O O D*.
Low appreciation of jokes in blood.
He killed the joke.
@@leetoro5867 i was thinking of heavily molded meat.
I cry when angels deserve to die... whenever I see a medical student smoking, hating exercise and saying he wants to be a cardiologist.
My "uncle" (technically the husband of my grandma's sister) was a cardiologist and a massive smoker! He died at the age of 92.
@@rumblefish9 lucky he
@@rumblefish9at that time smoking was just a trend, lucky he survived a loong and I guess happy life.
They say the stairs creak the loudest at the carpenters own home...
Red Apple Who knows,had he not smoked,he’d have lived up to and beyond 100 so...no smoking please!
"ln certain parts of the country eating beef can definitely result in increased risk of dying."😂😂
Dying is caused by beef...hmmm so veganism makes us immortal!! Who waaaaants to liiiiiive FOREVERRRRR!!
In one Indian state, I forget which and that annoys me, you are sentenced to death for eating cow meat. Water buffalo is fine, but actual cow beef will see you dead by decapitation - or it was that method not that long ago.
Yes, you do not want to eat beef in India. Nope, not at all.
@@StanWatt. There's no decapitation in any official legal system in India. You will be prosecuted and imprisoned in certain states though.
If ur a cow
8:45
“Unless you’re eating Salami 3 times a day...”
*Starts Sweating Intensely*
Implying that a person who eats salami three times a day isn't always sweating intensely...
@Razorback73 Meat and fat are not bad in moderation, salami is a little more than meat and fat, however. High quantities of sodium in your diet is not necessarily going to make you fat, but it is not healthy.
Razorback73 processed meat is a class one carcinogen according to the WHO and no, carbs are NOT the problem, there’s not a single double blind placebo controlled peer reviewed study out there that is able to prove that carbs in themselves are bad.
I solved this problem by combining all my salami eating in to one mammoth session. Safe.
I have an allergic sweaty reaction to salami and old hard cheeses but that doesn't stop me.
I was reviewing some of the cited papers from the American heart association in terms of salt causing heart disease. And one of the papers strangely enough dealt with mice that were sacrificed after a few months of being given saline water only to drink, where the salt content was 1%. Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't this cause dehydration and thus hypertension and not directly related to salt consumption?
If you haven't critiqued study design flaws for submittal in a grad program you should avoid trying to base your preconceived beliefs around what you see as flaws.
Did you work out the mmol val equiv to derive what renin issues the rodents may have been dealing with? Because had you done so you wouldn't depend on others to pat you on the head and smile.
Hello, the research references are missing the page cannot be found.
It's so nice to listen to someone talk sense first thing in the morning. God bless you, sir.
Exactly! Now i'm gonna have my fatty steak and eggs.
but he doesn't, he is obviously biased and ignore talking about the effects of the meat industry on our environment or i don't know, the ethics of consuming meat in modern society.
@@Danuxsy I agree it’s pretty unethical, but that’s explicitly not the purpose of this video, which is about studies relating to whether it’s healthier or not to avoid eating red meat. He even stated at one point near the end that he himself has reduced his meat intake for ethical reason, so it’s not like he’s trying to just encourage meat eating, but he wanted to talk about the science.
Enjoy your visit! I bet your in-laws are happy to be able to spend time with your children! It is hard to be so far from those we love.
I was in India for almost a month and I was stunned after I realised I had eaten some of the best dishes of my life for five days straight and not one single bite of meat. Tandoori chicken actually turned out to be one of the more boring dishes
Lowest meat consumption per capita. Highest obesity rates and diabetes per Capita. No META ANALYSIS studies needed. Meat heals. Sugar kills.
Oliver, where on earth is this data coming from?
The WHO ranks the USA at 12th (over 30%) for adult obesity and India at 179 (under 5%).
This website summarizes the 2017 WHO data in a handy chart:
obesity.procon.org/global-obesity-levels/
Sugar does kill, but plants are likely the more powerful healing agents, as the good Doctor mentions in this video. Eat more veggies... the data are robust that doing so leads to better health!
But for starters, just go with factual data, instead of BS that confirms your particular dietary bias.
BOI , come to Kerala
Yep, been there a few times for extended trips & when I do I make a resolution to no eat meat whilst there & I do not miss it - longest trip was 8 weeks & nary a nugget was nibbled. Forget all your facon bacon, quorn chicken & impossible burgers, in India the vegetarian food is proper food & is simply divine. I´m a full blown red meat & steak lover, wipe it´s arse & bring it to the table kinda guy, but, I´m also an Indian food lover and in India, there´s no need to eat meat, ever!!
@Carpe Diem Facts. The access to better meds and wider variety of food has hidden this truth from us but if we still lived the agrarian, farmer life en masse, many people alive now would not have survived due to genetic variation intolerances that caused "failure to thrive" and unexplained sickliness and death in previous generations. AKA survival of the fittest.
I keep hearing that one should reduce the amount of processed/hyper-processed food one eats.
How does this apply to vegan meat-substitutes?
Why combine red & processed meat? I want to know about organic red meat and its health properties.
I think studies show that there is a difference, but what was presented in the video doesn't really change that much. WHO classifies processed meat as a Group 1 carcinogen, whereas red meat in general is classified as probably carcinogenic.
I had the same thought. You absolutely should not lump red meat in with processed meat.
@@Cancellator5000 I think the vast majority of those studies were done by The Seventh Day Adventists. And we all know what they think about meat. Look up "Nina Teicholz- Red meat and health. " Enjoy her lecture.
@@toni4729 WHO isn't a group of Seventh Day Adventists. I think the differences found aren't completely convincing. It's nothing like the difference between smokers and non-smokers for example. So, you need a lot more data to really be sure about it, which is why red meat is called a probable carcinogen. I don't think that eating some meat is going to make or break your health though. I'm more concerned about the environmental and ethical concerns.
@@Cancellator5000 If you're so concerned about the environment, perhaps you should be thinking about the 150 million tons of toxic weedkiller that's sprayed on the USA farmland alone, not to mention the rest of the world. We're eating all this disgusting stuff. Then it's being washed into our waterways and oceans. It's also being eaten by our animals. Monsanto have been spreading this crap for over fifty years and we've been lead to believe it's perfectly safe. Now one in forty people are Autistic? How? WHY?? It's not meat that causes this. It's our new, modern farming techniques because the animals have been removed from the land. Think about this before you start telling me about ethics and the environment.
I really like the wry humorous asides, the metric conversion the other day, the risks of eating beef in India... :)
I recently went to a friend's party at a vegan restaurant (they aren't even vegan, they just wanted to serve food that all of their guests could eat without having to worry about it) and oh my God, vegan food has gotten really, really good, you guys. They had "pulled" barbecue jackfruit sliders, Buffalo cauliflower, tofu cannoli, just everything was fantastic.
Bloating, multiple poos per day, and Vitamin B12 deficiencies aside, eating low nutrient, high fibre, indigestible plants is GREAT!
Athletes use fasting and ketogenic diets to reduce inflammation, FFS. Then they load up on carbs before the next big session
one thing i hate about veganism is that a big portion of it are young people who dont know how to cook, the only people who are 100% vegan or 100% meat eaters are those creepy fitness people, i bet they cant even win a single fight lol.
yes but these tasty vegan substitutes have a lot of salt and maybe fat. you cannot have them daily. I am vegetarian btw. also Ojam is an idiot.
My man!!! Taramasalata! Major high fives! Haven't had that for decades!! Brings back happy memories.
Edit: I watched this while eating paneer tikka masala and naan. So high fives for Indian food too! It just comforts the soul.
Why are red meat and processed meat always lumped together? What about unprocessed red meat?
Oh, and there's also processed white meat.
My husband had a mini stroke and was fairly overweight. He then reduced his animal food consumption including meat dairy eggs by 90% and his blood pressure then came down quite a lot; he lost 45 lbs in 6 months with no extra exercise; he doesnt snore anymore and he feels much better as Ive increased his fruit n veggie consumption by 80%. thats the facts...
He ate less calories and lost weight? 👀 who would have guessed 😂
He had a stroke because he was obese lol. Not because of animal products
And btw, fruit contains enormous amounts of fructose, which is bad for your body in large amounts. Essentially candy.
@@Vatt-Ghern your post name is detestable eh. he was not obese; he was chunky but not obese; and within days of drastically reducing animal foods he said a lot of the continuous symptoms vanished, so YA it WAS because of the animal foods, because the reduction of symptoms happened WAY BEFORE the weight came off eh!!
@@Lauren-vd4qe Lmao sure.
That’s great it worked for your husband. Everyone reacts differently to different eating lifestyles. My best lipid panel in my life occurred roughly 15 months after eating 0-20 carbs a day with high animal sat fat and protein. My blood work always comes back shitty when I start eating carbohydrates. Bread, fruit, yogurt, cereal, soda, candy, granola bars. Brutal.
0:05 or are we ?
*cue vsauce music*
maaaan i miss vsauce
@@Ginkgoxvi Vsauce uploaded a video yesterday
@@cockatoo010 It was more of a DONG - er, D!NG - video though, rather than the classic Vsauce style.
I can literally hear it
@@236Doodad it did have an "or is it?" and the music (Moon Men) also.
With so many contrarian views among health care professionals and even among specialists in their respective fields, how is a lay person expected to make an informed decision about the food to eat? I appreciate you breaking down the studies in terms of importance, high value and low value.
In my experience, my daily energy level is low when I don't eat meat. It's good to know that the benefits of exercise is better than the benefits of not eating meat. I eat meat and exercise.
Thank you for your honest assessment about eating meat.
The simple answer is that you don't listen to them...How did humans, or any animals survive for hundreds or millions of years without somebody telling us what to eat? Your instincts tell you what to eat. My best advice? Ignore doctors and listen to your body...
with how some people say they feel better if they only eat meat, some people say they feel better when they eat no carbs, some people say they feel better when they eat no meat, and some people say they feel better with no sugar...
Maybe people are just different?
@@ClassicJukeboxBand are you American (USA) by chance?
@@SBImNotWritingMyNameHere Yep
Most people are eating WAYYYYY to much, that’s the real problem. Overconsumption.
Meat consumption per capita has gone down since the 50's. You know what has gone up through the roof? Processed seed and nut oils ("plant-based") processed garbage. Millions of years on meat and all of a sudden it's bad. Joke.
Most people live to eat.. we need to eat to live. Healthy & not very much food.
Yes!!!!
@@phenogen8125 What is C OMAD?
VERY true. We're fat and stupid. If we ate less, we wouldn't be so fat.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with red meat and a certain amount of fat. Like anything else, excess is bad and there is no substitute for a balanced diet.
Don't blame red meat, salt and saturated fat for what the sugar has caused...
You're generalizing sugar. Not all sugar is the same. Processed sugars are bad, sugar from fruit and sweet potatoes are not. Same with fats, saturated and hydrogenated are bad, unsaturated and Omegas are not.
@@mycelia_ow " sugar from fruit and sweet potatoes are not" they are in excess. But yeah, they are better than refined carbs.
"saturated fats are bad for you"
Not really. There isn't a single one proper randomized study that shows they are bad for you. All there are are epidemiological ones, which are trash.
There are ones that show they kind of increase your cholesterol, but cholesterol isn't something you should worry about, really.
Thank you so so so much. I loved your comments at the end. My wife and I just switched over to basically your diet for basically the same exact reasons. Some for health. Some for the planet. Felt good to hear it echoed by a pragmatist and a doctor 😁
MLC guy, great vid.lots of middle of the road info😉. I believe: every thing in moderation (with margaritas being the caveat) , consistency in exercise, varied meats, seafood & produce and go organic as you can. That being said, have a great vacation. It's always great to see family but there is no place like home. Again, thank you for taking the time for this. Kathi😎 in AZ🇺🇸
" In some parts of the country eating beef can definitely increase the risk of dying" I understand why
Congratulations, you got something obvious.
If the signal is so weak that no definitive conclusions can be made anyone making a definitive conclusion is biased. Their conclusion is proof of their bias.
Very interesting, I’d be interested to know whether or not these studies factored in those who are relatively active and those who are sedentary. As humans, we often shame and avoid certain foods while ignoring what our body needs the most.
Thank you for the video Doc. As a cardiologist, what is your position on the dietary effects on heart health, specifically diets high in sugar, carbohydrates, and vegetable oils ? Cheers from France
Massive epidemic of heart disease and diabetes since the introduction of refined oils and processes carbs in the last in the last 70 years 👌👌👌
I have a two part question for you.
Can the damage from smoking be reversed? (I quit a few months ago)
And generally speaking, is there a way to increase lung capacity?
I'm trying to get into shape and it's going well except for always running out of breath quicker than I get fatigued.
First - WELL DONE for quitting smoking. It's the single best thing you can do for your health. Keep at it. Yes, most damage can be repaired. Depends how long and how much you smoked though, but generally the vast majority of damage can be reversed unless you were smoking heavily for 10+ years. With every day that passes, your risk of cancer, heart disease etc falls closer to a non-smoker of the same age. Exercise will increase lung capacity but more importantly will improve overall fitness and efficiency, so you'll get less fatigued and short of breath. Take it slowly, find something that works for you exercise-wise and you'll be just fine.
@@MedlifeCrisis Thanks, I smoked on and off for about 15 years. The amount I smoked went up and down a lot so it's hard to tell exactly how much I smoked. Hopefully there's not too much damage.
Like most men hurtling towards middle age, I've taken up cycling. It's going quite well.
@@volkanore that last line sounds awfully familiar... 🤔😂
Also depends on age. You're basically fine if you quit by 35, which is a statistic you should absolutely not advertise to teenagers (sorry, no citation for that off the top of my head).
@@MedlifeCrisis: _"With every day that passes, your risk of cancer, heart disease etc falls closer to a non-smoker of the same age."_
- But you can't say for sure since there are no RCTs to ascertain such causal relation and observational studies are pointless [4:47] and basically trash [6:05] (because there are endless confounders, a reliance on self-reporting, and the fact that you can't attribute causality in an observational trial [3:51]).
I've been searching for a channel like this forever. Thank you so much! I appreciate you breaking down the research for the everyday layman.
If Harvard medical school, AHA,AMA etc. tell you to do something, there is a real good chance it will result in a decline in your health.
Why is red meat grouped with processed meat ?
Kolkata kemon laglo? :P
I have eaten a meat veg and fish veg diet, cut out almost all processed foods and I have lost 1 pound of weight per week for 23 weeks. I also do a bit of fasting. The benefits I have derived from eating this way are, I don't feel hungry and my sugar and junk food cravings have gone away so I would imagine as I am now a healthy weight the benefits of eating meat for my health have improved.
I'm vegan for the animals first, before my health. I still eat a healthy WFPB oil free diet.
I honestly think you should add some oysters or scallops to your diet. They're animals with no nervous system, climate impact is basically none, and they contain all the nutrients you may be missing out on. Once every week or so. Omega3 and B12 are the main ones vegans tend to not get (Plant source ALA gets converted to omega3 but in much lower amounts and is a common deficiency)
@@rumble1925 those aren't kosher and they do have nerve ganglia. I had my B12 checked, it's 636. I also take a algal oil supplement that's DHA/EPA. My non vegan nutritionist approved of it. I've been doing this for 33 years, before the internet and I'm doing rather quite well. I even went through menopause without any help from any doctor. I'm 54 and not on any meds, my cholesterol is 165 and A1C is 4.5.
@@elizabethelias1005 you do you but oysters and scallops are so primative compared to even plants. Plants have more sophisticated methods of communicating that they've been hurt than oysters.
@@awesomedavid2012 plants are incapable of being “hurt” because they’re not sentient. The ability to react to stimuli is evidence of “intelegence”... which is different from “sentience”.
Plants do not have anything of what is required to have a subjective experience.
Whereas we do have reason to believe that bivalves may have sentience. It a primitive form of sentience, yes. But I think it’s reason enough to leave them alone.
Why risk causing suffering to others when you have the option not to?....
@@Druze_Tito I only consume the sacrificial flesh of consenting humans.. as long as they give their flesh willingly... it’s still vegan.
The environmental reasons are not robust at all, respectfully. Please check out the Garland Farms channel with solid research that synthetic fertilizers for crops, mono-crops and crop animal deaths are much more detrimental for the environment than cattle.
"risk of dying" in other parts of the country.
Thank you so much for mentioning this!
#UttarPradesh
Awesome video! I really wish there was more middle of the road analyses out there as I don't have the time nor energy to do all the research for myself. Helpful synopsis at the end of all the tried and tested meaningfully positive changes you can make.
I've worked in marketing for too long. I cannot avoid thinking that it's beyond coincidence that these 5 utterly unremarkable studies have gotten blown up everyone's ass as evidence that YOU CAN EAT ALL THE MEAT YOU WANT just as that fairly well-received plant-based meat stuff is available in grocery stores.
Also, I'm never getting on a plane with you.
Mic the vegan disagrees.
do you mean red meat consumption, or processed meat consumption? Since your thumbnail shows processed meat but says red meat, and in the intro you lumped red meat together with processed meat, so which is it?
2 months later and you haven't replied, typical.
What I don't understand is why processed meat is grouped with red meat in these studies? I don't eat processed meat, but I eat red meat. They are very different things.
Hey, I appreciate your unbiased look at the meat vs veg diet. Thanks for that.
Suggest that using the term "resulting" - i.e. causal language - in relation to an observational study. Better to say "was statistically associated with"
I also have a problem with privileging the current guidelines and saying you need strong evidence to go against them if, as appears to be the case, they are not based on substantial evidence. That which has been asserted without evidence can be denied without evidence.
True that. Even more, the team responsible for this research (NUTRIRECS) was specifically established by the congress to independently test the guidelines according to GRADE criteria. More studies from this team are linked here: www.nutritioncoalition.us/red-meat-does-it-cause-heart-disease-and-cancer
As my best rheumatologist told me, *_Your_** chances of an adverse reaction are 0% and 100%.* The best RA drugs can cause everything from cancer to Stevens-Johnson.
All drugs can cause a Steven-Jonhson🤔
@@sebassanchezc-1379
I know. I always check to see if that's a possibility and I don't remember ever seeing a drug that did _not_ list Stevens-Johnson. It was a lot better before I knew what Stevens-Johnson was 🙀
@@moragmacgregor6792 yeah somethings it's better not to see..🤣🤣🤣
Why-oh-why do they always lump processed meat with fresh meat?
How would a food that has sustained life for millennia all of a sudden be bad for you in our current time? The past 40+ years people have been told Meat and fat are bad for you and look how healthy everyone is!! How are the groups of people who subsist on only meat not riddled with health problems. It’s not meat- It’s our current hyper processed food with seed oils, sugar, and paragraph long ingredient lists on the so called “food”. Saturated fat, red meat, cholesterol are not bad, it’s the crap that’s eaten with it.
Man, wish I could explain this to my Mom.
Google Dr Esselstyn............he was a Cardiologist at the Cleveland Clinic. He promotes a plant based diet with no consumption of meat, fish, diary, and eggs.
He literally bald. And paid by food insustry mafia to support high glycemic foods like wheat, grains and corn.
You want to get a diabetes type 2? Easy as hell. Eat a bowl of white rice, a bowl of "healthy" oatmeal and a bowl of corn everyday. Start monitoring blood glucose 1 hour after eating. I bet in just one month, you will have diabetes.
Why? Because I live in country that literally lives on white rice and sugar. And highest number of diabetics in the world (malaysia).
Loved the ending of the video. As a vegetarian I'm quite enraged by other vegans or vegetarians trying to focus on supposed health related benefits. The evidence is so lackluster that it's not worth it. The environmental and ethical side of it are where it's at.
I listened to all the gov recos over the years and had a fairly high plant based, low sugar , low fat diet. In my late 50's my health began to collapse. My teeth got really bad and out of desperation I ended up just going on the carnivore diet. After three months, my teeth were no longer hurting, with the exception of one root canal that I had removed. But my living teeth began healing and were glazing over the cavities with new white enamel. My skin began looking healthier, and my energy levels increased. So what I learned out of that and from what happened between 2020 and now, is to trust that the science, is the best money can buy.
Your camera presence is inspiring, your ability to speak to the camera is incredible. I always watch your videos before I hit record, keep up the great work!
Processed meat usually contains sugar, wheat and other lovely things.
Gee, I ate wheat several times today.
So does bread
As a vegan and science academic (physics), I really appreciate this video! To me it's always been obvious that the research we have on meat or animal product consumption is that it's not "extremely" unhealthy as many vegans say (of course we also have a lot of industry funded research, which is another issue...). As long as you don't consume a lot (which is actually a growing problem, since developed/developing countries tend to have meat in every meal in large quantities) the negative effects are going to be negligible, just like almost everything else.
Another thing that I'm happy that you pointed out is to explain what "cut your risks in half" actually mean! So many people just hear a large percentage number and think it's a large absolute number as well. Half of a small number is still a small number...
So yes, I do think it's entirely possible to be very healthy for someone eating meat. Personally, I just think that's of minor relevance if someone wants to discuss veganism. It's about the morality and ethics behind it.
" As long as you don't consume a lot....."
Incorrect. More meat - healthier body, simple as. There are no negatives. We know from thousands of anecdotes now, that eating nothing but animal derived foods puts wealth disease ridden individuals back on optimal health. Especially the withered victims of longterm veganism.
Can you make a video regarding blood pressure? Known causes of high/low pressure etc
In what world should processed meat and actual natural meat, not to mention grass fed/pastured meat, be considered together?
You lump together red meat and processed meat
It’s like saying coffee with 2 sugars is no different to coffee without
Fishing, is just as harmfull as land factory farming. Over 40% of the plastics are from the fishing industry-and whales and turtles don't have shopping centers. Eating mostly (if not all) veg isn't just better for your health, or the environment, it reduces the needless suffering of sentient non-human animals.
Well what I've found that's pretty much killing us is sugar. And of course I blame Doctor Ancel Keys. He's the one who started the whole red meat and fat thing.
Pretty simple: Give up sugar and see how much better you feel and then give up red meat and see how you feel. I know for me giving up sugar and I feel a huge change in how I feel, and with red meat no real change.
Well you should know that going vegan isnt just about our health. It is about the planet and the animals. Pretty simple if you ask me.
Do you only subscribe to white creators?
@@mixedviews3536 what 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is not eating meat at all bad ? Especially when there is lack of good quality protein options in vegitarian diet ?
They shouldn't combine processed meats with whole meats
Boy, I sure do hope the Personal Commentary horn becomes a reccuring character on this channel. Enjoy your trip to India!
Thank you for addressing this issue - red meat research is quite biased and it's hard to get through the confounders here.
Size of the study doesn't matter much past certain point if it's observational (and biased) and meta-analyses are not always good too (the GIGO principle at work)
Thinking of "the Vegans" as a homogeneous group from the fringes harms a normal and positive exchange of ideas, since the reasons for going vegan are vary wildly.
I should add that this is just a personal opinion, the sentence sound more prescriptive than I intended.
Totally with you. I am a vegan for health reasons, though I have come to conclude that not aiding and abetting the treatment of animals such as 100 kg pigs living in less than 0.4 m2 is a bonus. Even before I quit meat that was pretty creepy to think about, so I tended not to eat pork.
One things all these studies don't take into account is what else the subjects were eating. Did they have diets high in simple carbs and sugar? Nobody knows. Yet that sort of diet will have a high and bad effect on health.
A recent video from a channel called "what I've learned" shares some research that the environmental impact of cows might not be as extreme as we are lead to believe. Since you mentioned environment impact, it might be worth a watch.
yeah i saw that too. but it was just one scientist stating his own research result in that video. Although it is very accurate but it may not be very reliable.
I’ve been eating bacon every day for years now with absolutely no issues whatsoever. The only time I’ve been unhealthy is the 6 months that I went vegan, and that was 22 years ago now.
Not gonna lie hoping this confirms my bias
My one take away: "THERE'S A CARROT CONSPIRACY?!?" :O
Why do they always lump red meat and processed meat together?. I eat mostly red meat,(lamb, beef and pork) a little chicken, and no processed meat, unless bacon is processed meat. The bacon I eat uses salt in the curing and not sodium nitrite or potassium nitrite.
Also the beef and lamb I eat is organic, it's hard to find organic pork in the supermarkets.
As a busy woman i really do need a quick and efficient way to get iron into my body, and that's red meat.