I'm way more a fan of the tx130 than the tx225w. That being said .... The tx225w is build for convoy duty, urban warfare and suppression of a captured world. The tx130 is an attack vehicle not convoy material, she is an ambush predator.
TX-130 was a underused tank for the Republic Grand Army and one with which we rare got to see in action. Small but heavy armed it was a dangerous weapon which could easily turn the tide of battle, and one which no doubt was view as a reliable weapon platform during the Clone Wars.
Let us not forget that the Galactic Empire also had the TX-130T Fighter Tank within its motorpool. It was basically the same as the previous model TX-130 Fighter Tank but with upgraded weapons and defense, and would’ve been an excellent compliment to the AT-ST walker as a light cavalry vehicle for open battlefields.
@@dogloversrule8476 love those things, they're underappreciated. They look so cool too. Has speed, great firepower, and armor. Empire has a ton of cool obscure tanks. Seeing comparisons involving a cargo tx225 occupier and other vehicles makes me frustrated, as there's better imperial tanks out there.
I always thought the TX-130 was better for hit and run tactics and speed and the TX-225 was better at staying down and holding a spot will being slower
TX225 kinda looks like a WW2 tank destroyer, like a sci fi Stug or SU85 or something. TDs were designed for point defense, among other things, so yeah that makes sense.
But comparing it to the TX-225 is a bit of a stretch, since the TX-225 seems to be more of a cargo carrier while the TX-130 is a fast mechanized combat vehicle.
I think that it actually makes sense that clone wars era machines and personel were superior to emperial era ones. Palps had won. He didn't need to take over the galaxy. He needed to defend what he had already stolen. Making cheaper, less effective wepons made it so that he could devote more to other things. And it's a good thing he did. Imagine if the rebel alliance had to fight clones and their gear. It would had ended very differently.
I disagree with the last statement. I agree entirely that he didn't need to and it was a calculated move to downgrade but jabim proves that clones weren't that great against biological soldiers. So does umbra. They were amazing fighters but i dont think the rebel alliance would have tragically lost if they were against clones. Had a harder time aure but I dont thi k it would have damned them. I'd love to discuss this thiught because i love things like this
@@sinwithagrin4243 Both Jabiim and Umbara had a unique situation that the rebel alliance basically never would. Home field advantage. With the exception of Hoth, the rebels rarely fought on their own turf. For both the slog that was Jabiim, as well as the horror of Umbara, the locals had the complete advantage. Actually, even on Umbara, the clones would have faired exponentially better if their leadership hadn't have been actively trying to kill them. And somehow they still won. I will concede that Jabiim was a complete and total failure for the GAR. I will also admit that the clones didn't do near as well as they could have when Kamino was attacked and they were the ones with the home field advantage. But overall I still think that if the empire had used clones and their tech, the rebels would have either not succeded, or it would have taken several more years than it did. But I welcome new thoughts, and your comment did give me pause. If you have more you would like to say, feel free to let me know.
@@israelgarcia7269 i concur entirely. I don't know what Tarkin was smoking but he needs to stay away from it. But i do have to disagree partially with Umbra because of that little Umbra crawler bot. I think that battle, completely ignoring Pong, wouldn't have gona much better because of the unique tactics and that weird Umbra crawler but since thats an entirely different discussion all together i take back my argument
In Legends, the Empire wisely kept the IFT-X design and sorta revised it as the IFT-T (classic Battlefront duology for the win). Of course, said tanks were rarely seen compared to their AT-ST walker peers. The Canon tank sure is an interesting vehicle though, even if it reminds me of the vulnerable tankettes of the WW1-WW2 era.
The empire has 2M tanks in Canon. Look them up. While it is said they are sluggish, that is probably for gameplay balancing since the game it is from tweaked stuff for that purpose, like ATSTs not having side turrets or missile launchers.
Awakening of the Rebellion repurposed the Occupier as a mobile construction platform allowing the rear portion to build sensor nodes, vehicle repair bays, and concussion mortar launchers. This mod of Empire of War makes the Occupier a support vehicle that you'd use to keep your AT-ST and AT-ATs alive in a protracted battle.
I always liked how the TX-130 was a much more mobile take on a tank. Its high firepower combined with its high mobility really highlighted the skill required to make use of it. The TX-225 being much better protected and admittedly straightforward makes it out to be a much more accessible tank to a wider range of skilled operators, just like how the Empire had traded their uniformly high skilled clone troopers for the more mixed bag of the stormtrooper core
I feel you undervalued the 225s ability to carry so much cargo in its well roundedness, but overall a fine nuanced view look at both, seeing they were made for different things.
The 225 is a truly egregious design which in no logical way fits the task and purpose for which it was fielded. I don't get how any writer can seriously state that this was designed for Urban Conflict when it's too wide and lacks any armament which can engage targets at multiple angles without traversing the entire hull. The only thing that wedge is good at is being a portable target. The layout of the TX-130's layout isn't ideal but at least you have a repeater on some type of skate ring and the guns are in a position where they can "gimble in" over the hull (shown in the older Battlefront games).
I think the Occupier actually has the advantage in versatility, based largely on what we do see. What we see is a cargo carrier with a pretty heavy ordnance load but nothing really stopping it from being built into something else. The basic hull could be built up to be a infantry carrier, a main battle tank, a howitzer, a command post, you name it. More than that, the fact that it employs tracks as its primary means of locomotion means that, unlike the TX-130, it can bypass defensive shield systems, which are a fairly common defense technology in Star Wars. Hell, even the Rebels could get one.
The TX-130 is my favorite repulsor tank of Star Wars, excellent complements for AT-TEs and other heavy vehicles and capable of duking it out with the best the CIS had to offer, no other repulsor tank could match the TX-130
I actually have a Lego TX-130 (which came with a minifigure of Mace Windu and a few clones) and it uses small wheels on the bottom that lift it off the ground to present the illusion of hovering. I find it weird that the TX-130 has this, yet the Lego AAT (which I also have) doesn't
What happened to the TX130 2M tank? Unless that was just for Empire at war. I still like that tank. I feel like all the vehicles from Empire at war series made more sense than a lot of what we are getting from Disney
It is still Canon. It was predictable that this would be used to take a shot at Disney even though this is complete false equivalence. If this was filoni who made rogue one, then people would praise him for having the tank be named tx in reference to saber tanks and not come up with this bs because being from the same line of vehicles doesn't mean that it has the same role, look at the bloody AT series
Personally the tx100 was as you said ideal for open or urban environments where a rapid response could be sent where if they were to replace the cannons with heavy repeaters like four eweb blaster cannons for an example, it would be ideal for places like lothal where a rapid response over difficult terrain is needed and given that the enemy is mostly light infantry, the extra firepower is t required as per the weight of fire as both a support and offensive vehicle where the most it would have to contend would be light to medium armored vehicles such as say highjacked imperial vehicles, or light speeders where a hail of blaster bolts should make light work of the enemy if they were dumb enough to try and escape, as for the occupier, it’s additional armor makes the vehicle ideal in cramped and confined spaces where as unlike the TX100 the occupiers can take a hit, and whilst I do have some questions over its armaments the tank is ideal for it’s given role as a police vehicle since it’s capable of carrying troops which are more ideal when say, needing an escort for protection as well as cargo space, not only that but the tank has the ability to be easily repaired due to its more primitive systems making repairs to the vehicle a pain in the ass but more negligible compared to a speeder
Clone Sergeant: Back in my days when I deployed on Geonosis we didn't have any fancy TX-130s. We had two sticks and a rock. And we had to share the rock!
I would love to see the TX130 in a show like Bad Batch. We get 0 tank battles in Clone Wars. Rebles kind of. For real though the quiet before the storm then the booms and the piss and the shit and the blood. The concussion hits, rattling heads. The blast waves from the cannon firing. Would be soo cool.
The issue I have with both designs is the lack of a turret mounting for their main armaments. It severely hampers their versatility by forcing the driver to have the maneuver the entire vehicle around to one side or the other in order to line up the weaponry for a direct shot. A Hull-mounted design is good if the vehicle is designed to ambush the enemy, but is terrible if the vehicle has to turn around.
In the TX-130s case it's not as big of a deal because it has such an emphasis on speed that can run/strafe circles around most land vehicles and it can equip a variety of turreted weapons up top.
From the perspective of a storm trooper or clone trooper, the TX-225 was a better fit. The TX-130 worked well when piloted by a Jedi and was better design but in the empire speed, mobility and firepower was handled by other vehicles. If I had to choose I would go for TX-225 as ground support since it provided a better protection to the crew and let the TIE fighters or other equipment handle the anti-armor weapons or vehicles. The Speed and Mobility of TX-130 was great during the clone wars but in the empire it would be something best left in the hands of the best trained as to insure that it advantages wasn’t squandered or lives unnecessarily risked plus “Quantity is a Quality of its’ own”
Thrawn: Perhaps we should ask for this Geetsly's input on future Imperial military projects? Palpatine: Forget it! Guy's a CZcamsr. How smart could he be? Besides, I've already solved the Death Star's thermal exhaust port problem. Thrawn: And what exactly is your solution, my Emperor? Palpatine: I'm replacing the two-meter-wide shaft that leads directly to the core with one big enough to fly light freighters through. And the Chiss mentally facepalmed.
B1 Commander, “Tanks. Is that the best those Republic dogs can throw at us?” Tank fired. B1 Commander, “Aah! Write that down! Write that down!” B1 Unit, “Roger Roger.”
One of the biggest issues with the Imperial tank is that despite being meant for city streets it's weapons can only fire forwards and backwards requiring the vehicle to turn around and because of its length it would be much harder for it to turn around in a cramp City Street whereas the older Republic tank due to its ability to hover and a more overall Square profile can turn on a dime
I feel like they fit two different rolls, the clone wars was more of a MBT with combat as the focus, the post war counterpart seems more like something like an M113 or MTLB, a multi purpose platform that in it's base form is not the best armed but the ability to be used for logistics or mounting specialized weaponry or use as prime movers for artillery, these are APCs in their base form but have versions that can do everything from hunt tanks to engage aircraft to really specialized options like mortar carriers, flamethrowers and several other options edit: isn't there another post clone wars saber tank model that's more of an upgraded 130? Forget the name but I swear there's another model that was a sucessor
Correct, the empire had the 2M tank and also continued use of TXs and even an updated AAT type tank. this is complete false equivalence on Geetsly's part. Being from the same product line doesn't mean that it fills the same role. Look at the AT walker series or the DC blaster series, for example.
Are we forgetting that there is technology that hampers the effectiveness of repulsorlift vehicles? Repulsorlift vehicles are disabled when passing through shields and there are explosives that speciffically target repulsorlift technology, which is a fairly significant weekness for the TX-130. The TX-225 also would be able turn in place quite quickly due to its tracks, something repulsorlift vehicles are generally quite slow to do. Ultimately the Empire did not need the benefits of the TX-130 as those benefits are much better suited for the immense battlefields of the clone wars. The Empire was fighting insurgencies in the cities it was occuping and thus they needed a tank that performed excellently in such a role (the TX-225), not a tank that might be better overall but is just okay if not bad in the urban combat setting (the TX-130).
You realise that is literally what they did in Canon as well. Geetsly's is warping the narrative to make the empire sound like imbeciles, because, to put it into context, this is like comparing an ATST to an ATTE and saying 'aTtE iS sO mUcH bEtTeR, cLeArLy EmPiRe StOoPid'
For a vehicle meant to patroll cities not having its weapons on a turret makes it nearly useless in a city fight because it would be extremely easy to get behind or above it's field of fire.
I know that the following question does not have anything directly to do with the video but it just poped into my head so here it comes: Would a blaster bolt of any rifle or blaster penetrate the frontal armour of the german Maus?
I would say probably not just one(if we're talking like a pistol/rifle), but after a few dozen you'd probably start at least heating it up enough to make it *very* uncomfortable for the crew inside. By the time you blast a hole in it, they'd probably already be baked from the heat of concentrated superheated plasma cooking them like a crock pot. Something like a heavy blaster cannon like an E-Web, yup. Absolutely. Those things could take down STARFIGHTERS with ease, they could hammer through a Maus in a matter of a few seconds probably.
In relation to the Wampas question, I'd go for the TX-130 as although Wampas would have a hard time beating through the TX-225's armor, TX-130 has got missiles, which can keep said Wampas farther away from me in the first place.
The 225's weapon setup does not do it any favors. Having main weapons that can't traverse independently from the main vehicle seems like an objectively awful design for something meant to fight in areas with limited space to maneuver. The 130 gets away with it by both not being designed for urban combat but also being designed with such an emphasis on speed that it could reposition itself and and its guns as fast any tank turret.
It should be noted that the TX-225 Occupier was a vehicle equivilent to that of an APC. It was a multipurpose vehicle designed for engaging enemy vehicles and fortifications while also transporting heavy cargo and troops. The TX-130's ONLY purpose is to fight infantry and other armoured vehicles so you really cant compare the two.
Thank you. This video is clearly meant to just hate on the empire and give people another reason to love the Republic and pretend like the GAR wasn't utter rubbish
The clone tank is clearly the better tank. While granted it's not an entirely fair comparison sense the saber has next to no armor compared to it's younger sibling and is like three time as fast it's still better. It's more maneuverable in a lot of ways, it was decently shielded, and had a decent weapons compliment that it could equip as needed. The empire tank however while it's got better armor more cargo capacity and more weapons the placement of those weapons is subpar it has limited ability to threats coming from behind. And while the saber isn't much better the the occupier in that way it can at least turn around easier and just better fulfills it's roll that it was maybe for. I mean in all seriousness a regular Abrams tank from earth is a better tank, at least as far as desinge gose as if you overlook the obvious armour and weapons disparity between starwars and real life real tangs are just better designed as far as how they function and fill the same roll but tactically superior. For all palatines want and planning had he not cheeped out on the vehicles and weapons and not used the tarkin doctrine he might actually have succeeded in his goals of rules the galaxy eventually. Well provided he lived that long of course.
I would imagine had the TX-130 still been produced around the time of the galactic civil war, I imagine newer technologies could be added to possibly make the Tx-130 more durable.... better armor, better shields... about the weakenss of the real of the TX-130 most tanks in the real world have weaker back armor, or so goes the trend, either way th AAT had a similar weakness.
Not to mention that 1 land mine can claim a mobility kill or even a kill on the empire's tank while a mine wouldn't have much effect on the republic's tank
Yes, finally after several previous videos where you said the Empire's vehicles and stuff were superior to the Republic, the Republic finally gets a win!
tx 225 looks like someone had the right idea... but then they changed development teams... 5 times. it's fundamentally a Bren carrier which can work... in circumstances where you need a machine you can unboard relatively quickly to cover a distance at speed. the weapon placement though is an absolute travesty, the middle pair exchanged for maybe some mine scanning/disabling equipment, and the side weaponry mounted in the middle of the back while using up the rest of the space for infantry to hitch a ride on and/or having them for gunfire support would work so much better. or if the side weapons were instead short barreled sentry blasters able to each cover the entirety of their side. (like the main/ ball turrets mounted on bombers.)
The TX-130 is undeniable the superior combat tank while it's main guns aren't turreted the tank has such an emphasis on speed that it can run/strafe circles around most land vehicles due to how fast and maneuverable it is and can turn quickly. And it's weapons are heavier and more versatile and it's shielded. Not to mention it can equip a variety of turreted weapons up top.
Yep you right. But when compared to some other imperial tanks, the saber tank actually lags behind. Take for example the 2M (better firepower on same chasis), the 1H (super armored and has good firepower) , or the S1 firehawk (faster, more armored, and long range firepower). Or even the tx130t, basically a complete upgrade on the republic tx130. The occupier is a multirole cargo vehicle, not a true dedicated fighting vehicle, not something you should see on the front lines, even though Disney would disagree lol.
@@undraftedboomer5055 For the 2M is actually depends on which canon we're using. Legends has a slight weapons advantage. 1H I would argue is worse while it does possess better energy weapons it lacks the variable munitions launchers that the TX-130 has and the 1H lacks shield generators which the TX-130 has. On top of that the 1H has a much bigger profile and is slightly slower then the TX-130. And the 1Hs top two cannons are mounted with horrible firing arc. If you look at a picture of it the guns look like they can't be aimed down at all and look as if they have to arc their shots to hit anything at range and can't hit anything at close range. While I agree about the S1 Firehawke I'm not sure I'd put the Firehawke in the same category as the TX-130 because the Firehawke is a heavy tank while the TX-130 is a light tank. Yeah the T version is a straight upgrade. Totally agree the The occupier shouldn't be counted as a frontline combat vessel. But one thing we have to keep in mind to is that the TX-130 is more of a light tank meant to deal with infantry and light vehicles possibly medium vehicles while some of the imperial vehicles you mentioned are more like medium and heavy tanks meant to deal with other medium to heavy vehicles. So we do have to keep that distinction in mind.
me I will use both, the TX-130 will be use to attack and the 225 will be use to defense, this way the base or city will be protect from ground force enemy but is will not be useful again air force enemy, this why is need some air unit to deal with the air force enemy
Yes yes the tx1-30 is good but how cheap is it, the empire’s whole thing (for personal) is “strip everything that’s not a necessity and make a lot of em” for example the tie fighter.
How come Star Wars vehicles never protect their gunners. This is especially an issue with the Republic Vehicles where the Gunner always sits out in the open air while everyone else in the vehicle is protected by armor. Why don't they ever put a trasperasteel or Shield bubble around the Gunner to give them some semblance of protection rather than just being out in the open. With Star Wars technology I don't see why they couldn't put a small Shield projector around the Gunner or just put a bubble around them
TX 130 sounds the best and is better for a lot of thing the TX 225 i would put for defense in a city and for cargo carrying and escorting because it seems to be a good tank for the job but the TX 130 is just better in all other fields but its defense and urban warfare but overall I choose the TX 130
Yeah, because they are completely different kinds of vehicles. I feel like these types of videos are just made to trash on the empire. Why couldn't this be a history of the TX series video? If a comparison should be done, why not actually compare the TX to the imperial equivalent of it rather than a model that has a completely different role.
Is it just me or that the Empire really cares only just quantity alone? If that's the case, it's not a surprise why this factor also contributed to the Empire's downfall because they completely threw the idea of quality off the window.
I can't help but think that maybe you're throwing a drive yard sabotage to TX225. They built a decent tank That looked good but just couldn't live up to its predecessors legends. And was useless in every major engagement engagement against almost any other force on a open battle feild.
Wait, what? Why are you comparing 2 tanks that have completely different roles? Just because the 225 is an offshoot of the 130s doesn't mean it is the spiritual successor, that is the 2M tank. This is purely false equivalation to try and justify the argument that the GAR is somehow better than the Imperial army.
why yes the M4A3 sherman has more firepower than the M998A1 Humvee... you are comparing a pure combat tank to an armored cargo carrier, the TX-225 might be called an 'assault vehicle', but the cargo bay makes it a cargo carrier/utility vehicle. the fact that the TX-225 has better armour makes the TX-130 look really really bad. speaking of, you didn't give the cargo capacity of the TX-225 seriously. amateurs discuss tactics, professionals discuss logistics. a lightly armoured tank is useful for little other than reconnaissance (both passive reconnaissance and reconnaissance by fire) and screening. a slower but properly armored vehicle can be used for assaults, logistics, troop transport, etc. additionally discounting the other variants of the TX-225 is unfair, these variants show the versatility of the design. this is especially unfair seeing as you praise the TX-130 for flexibility due to its repulsor lift capability, yet you ignore the repulsor lift TX-225...
TX-130 all the way. Greater firepower & FAR greater mobility makes this the better tank in most situations. Sure, the TX-225 is more durable, but it is much, much slower and far easier to flank. It doesn't function as artillery or a troop transport or anything like that. The TX-130 is an exceptional light fighter tank, while the TX-225 is a very mediocre, decently heavy tank.
TX-130 was epic, I always wanted to see a convoy of them in the Clone Wars
I'm way more a fan of the tx130 than the tx225w. That being said ....
The tx225w is build for convoy duty, urban warfare and suppression of a captured world.
The tx130 is an attack vehicle not convoy material, she is an ambush predator.
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TX-130 was a underused tank for the Republic Grand Army and one with which we rare got to see in action. Small but heavy armed it was a dangerous weapon which could easily turn the tide of battle, and one which no doubt was view as a reliable weapon platform during the Clone Wars.
Agreed
Let us not forget that the Galactic Empire also had the TX-130T Fighter Tank within its motorpool. It was basically the same as the previous model TX-130 Fighter Tank but with upgraded weapons and defense, and would’ve been an excellent compliment to the AT-ST walker as a light cavalry vehicle for open battlefields.
There was also the Imperial Repulsortank line of tanks as well as the S-1 FireHawke Heavy Repulsortank. These were just the empire’s mbts
@@dogloversrule8476 love those things, they're underappreciated. They look so cool too. Has speed, great firepower, and armor. Empire has a ton of cool obscure tanks. Seeing comparisons involving a cargo tx225 occupier and other vehicles makes me frustrated, as there's better imperial tanks out there.
And they also have the 2-M repulsor tank, which was a more heavily armed and shielded repulsor tank made to counter the T2-B of the Rebel Alliance
I always thought the TX-130 was better for hit and run tactics and speed and the TX-225 was better at staying down and holding a spot will being slower
TX225 kinda looks like a WW2 tank destroyer, like a sci fi Stug or SU85 or something. TDs were designed for point defense, among other things, so yeah that makes sense.
The TX-130 can strafe and appeared Star Wars Battlefront 2(both of them) so it shows it's superiority.
The TX-130 is an excellent combat vehicle.
But comparing it to the TX-225 is a bit of a stretch, since the TX-225 seems to be more of a cargo carrier while the TX-130 is a fast mechanized combat vehicle.
I think that it actually makes sense that clone wars era machines and personel were superior to emperial era ones. Palps had won. He didn't need to take over the galaxy. He needed to defend what he had already stolen. Making cheaper, less effective wepons made it so that he could devote more to other things. And it's a good thing he did. Imagine if the rebel alliance had to fight clones and their gear. It would had ended very differently.
I disagree with the last statement. I agree entirely that he didn't need to and it was a calculated move to downgrade but jabim proves that clones weren't that great against biological soldiers. So does umbra. They were amazing fighters but i dont think the rebel alliance would have tragically lost if they were against clones. Had a harder time aure but I dont thi k it would have damned them. I'd love to discuss this thiught because i love things like this
@@sinwithagrin4243 Both Jabiim and Umbara had a unique situation that the rebel alliance basically never would. Home field advantage. With the exception of Hoth, the rebels rarely fought on their own turf. For both the slog that was Jabiim, as well as the horror of Umbara, the locals had the complete advantage. Actually, even on Umbara, the clones would have faired exponentially better if their leadership hadn't have been actively trying to kill them. And somehow they still won. I will concede that Jabiim was a complete and total failure for the GAR. I will also admit that the clones didn't do near as well as they could have when Kamino was attacked and they were the ones with the home field advantage. But overall I still think that if the empire had used clones and their tech, the rebels would have either not succeded, or it would have taken several more years than it did. But I welcome new thoughts, and your comment did give me pause. If you have more you would like to say, feel free to let me know.
@@israelgarcia7269 i concur entirely. I don't know what Tarkin was smoking but he needs to stay away from it. But i do have to disagree partially with Umbra because of that little Umbra crawler bot. I think that battle, completely ignoring Pong, wouldn't have gona much better because of the unique tactics and that weird Umbra crawler but since thats an entirely different discussion all together i take back my argument
Clones have been stated in lore to, not be superior to clones, they’re equal.
I don’t think this dude has ever made a bad video. Literally all of his videos are soo good!!!!!! No exaggeration.
I appreciate it very much!
Sweet two Geestly vids in one day and TX-130 kicked ass in the 2005 Battlefront 2.
In Legends, the Empire wisely kept the IFT-X design and sorta revised it as the IFT-T (classic Battlefront duology for the win). Of course, said tanks were rarely seen compared to their AT-ST walker peers.
The Canon tank sure is an interesting vehicle though, even if it reminds me of the vulnerable tankettes of the WW1-WW2 era.
tankettes are still a thing...
The empire has 2M tanks in Canon. Look them up. While it is said they are sluggish, that is probably for gameplay balancing since the game it is from tweaked stuff for that purpose, like ATSTs not having side turrets or missile launchers.
Awakening of the Rebellion repurposed the Occupier as a mobile construction platform allowing the rear portion to build sensor nodes, vehicle repair bays, and concussion mortar launchers. This mod of Empire of War makes the Occupier a support vehicle that you'd use to keep your AT-ST and AT-ATs alive in a protracted battle.
Yeah that seem like the kind of thing it'd be perfect for.
I still prefer the AT-XT. Always my first choice as a ground assault vehicle
A shame its experimental designation made them rare to begin with.
I always liked how the TX-130 was a much more mobile take on a tank. Its high firepower combined with its high mobility really highlighted the skill required to make use of it. The TX-225 being much better protected and admittedly straightforward makes it out to be a much more accessible tank to a wider range of skilled operators, just like how the Empire had traded their uniformly high skilled clone troopers for the more mixed bag of the stormtrooper core
I fell in love with the TX-130 when I played star wars the clone wars on gamecube. Nothing will ever beat it in my eyes.
I feel you undervalued the 225s ability to carry so much cargo in its well roundedness, but overall a fine nuanced view look at both, seeing they were made for different things.
It makes sense the Empire had a weaker version so that if rebels hijacked it they couldn't go on a killing spree with it against the Empire.
What about the empire's 2-M repulsortank?
The 225 is a truly egregious design which in no logical way fits the task and purpose for which it was fielded. I don't get how any writer can seriously state that this was designed for Urban Conflict when it's too wide and lacks any armament which can engage targets at multiple angles without traversing the entire hull. The only thing that wedge is good at is being a portable target.
The layout of the TX-130's layout isn't ideal but at least you have a repeater on some type of skate ring and the guns are in a position where they can "gimble in" over the hull (shown in the older Battlefront games).
Ok but like… the imperial tank driver armor is pretty epic
2 vids in several mins, what a treat
Yeah it is
I think the Occupier actually has the advantage in versatility, based largely on what we do see. What we see is a cargo carrier with a pretty heavy ordnance load but nothing really stopping it from being built into something else. The basic hull could be built up to be a infantry carrier, a main battle tank, a howitzer, a command post, you name it. More than that, the fact that it employs tracks as its primary means of locomotion means that, unlike the TX-130, it can bypass defensive shield systems, which are a fairly common defense technology in Star Wars. Hell, even the Rebels could get one.
The TX-130 is my favorite repulsor tank of Star Wars, excellent complements for AT-TEs and other heavy vehicles and capable of duking it out with the best the CIS had to offer, no other repulsor tank could match the TX-130
2-M Saber has joined the game
I actually have a Lego TX-130 (which came with a minifigure of Mace Windu and a few clones) and it uses small wheels on the bottom that lift it off the ground to present the illusion of hovering. I find it weird that the TX-130 has this, yet the Lego AAT (which I also have) doesn't
What happened to the TX130 2M tank? Unless that was just for Empire at war. I still like that tank. I feel like all the vehicles from Empire at war series made more sense than a lot of what we are getting from Disney
I swore the 2M tank was the successor of the TX130. Don’t know if that’s canon or not.
@@isaiahwilliams9413 it is
It is still Canon. It was predictable that this would be used to take a shot at Disney even though this is complete false equivalence. If this was filoni who made rogue one, then people would praise him for having the tank be named tx in reference to saber tanks and not come up with this bs because being from the same line of vehicles doesn't mean that it has the same role, look at the bloody AT series
Personally the tx100 was as you said ideal for open or urban environments where a rapid response could be sent where if they were to replace the cannons with heavy repeaters like four eweb blaster cannons for an example, it would be ideal for places like lothal where a rapid response over difficult terrain is needed and given that the enemy is mostly light infantry, the extra firepower is t required as per the weight of fire as both a support and offensive vehicle where the most it would have to contend would be light to medium armored vehicles such as say highjacked imperial vehicles, or light speeders where a hail of blaster bolts should make light work of the enemy if they were dumb enough to try and escape, as for the occupier, it’s additional armor makes the vehicle ideal in cramped and confined spaces where as unlike the TX100 the occupiers can take a hit, and whilst I do have some questions over its armaments the tank is ideal for it’s given role as a police vehicle since it’s capable of carrying troops which are more ideal when say, needing an escort for protection as well as cargo space, not only that but the tank has the ability to be easily repaired due to its more primitive systems making repairs to the vehicle a pain in the ass but more negligible compared to a speeder
Fond memories of driving the tx-130 tank in the first and second battlefront games on playstation two, and the (2002) clone wars game.
Clone Sergeant: Back in my days when I deployed on Geonosis we didn't have any fancy TX-130s. We had two sticks and a rock. And we had to share the rock!
they literally deployed them on geonosis Sergeant. hell General windu drove one
@@laisphinto6372 Sergeant:...... well you get the idea
I thoroughly enjoyed this vid, thanks
I would love to see the TX130 in a show like Bad Batch. We get 0 tank battles in Clone Wars. Rebles kind of. For real though the quiet before the storm then the booms and the piss and the shit and the blood. The concussion hits, rattling heads. The blast waves from the cannon firing. Would be soo cool.
2 Geetly's videos back to back? Today's gonna be a good day
The issue I have with both designs is the lack of a turret mounting for their main armaments. It severely hampers their versatility by forcing the driver to have the maneuver the entire vehicle around to one side or the other in order to line up the weaponry for a direct shot.
A Hull-mounted design is good if the vehicle is designed to ambush the enemy, but is terrible if the vehicle has to turn around.
In the TX-130s case it's not as big of a deal because it has such an emphasis on speed that can run/strafe circles around most land vehicles and it can equip a variety of turreted weapons up top.
Kinda funny to imagine the TX130 as a real world Light Tank with twin dual purpose 4cm Bofors guns and automatic rocket propelled grenade launchers.
Tx-225 is my preferred tank
From the perspective of a storm trooper or clone trooper, the TX-225 was a better fit. The TX-130 worked well when piloted by a Jedi and was better design but in the empire speed, mobility and firepower was handled by other vehicles. If I had to choose I would go for TX-225 as ground support since it provided a better protection to the crew and let the TIE fighters or other equipment handle the anti-armor weapons or vehicles. The Speed and Mobility of TX-130 was great during the clone wars but in the empire it would be something best left in the hands of the best trained as to insure that it advantages wasn’t squandered or lives unnecessarily risked plus “Quantity is a Quality of its’ own”
Thrawn: Perhaps we should ask for this Geetsly's input on future Imperial military projects?
Palpatine: Forget it! Guy's a CZcamsr. How smart could he be? Besides, I've already solved the Death Star's thermal exhaust port problem.
Thrawn: And what exactly is your solution, my Emperor?
Palpatine: I'm replacing the two-meter-wide shaft that leads directly to the core with one big enough to fly light freighters through.
And the Chiss mentally facepalmed.
B1 Commander, “Tanks. Is that the best those Republic dogs can throw at us?”
Tank fired.
B1 Commander, “Aah! Write that down! Write that down!”
B1 Unit, “Roger Roger.”
One of the biggest issues with the Imperial tank is that despite being meant for city streets it's weapons can only fire forwards and backwards requiring the vehicle to turn around and because of its length it would be much harder for it to turn around in a cramp City Street whereas the older Republic tank due to its ability to hover and a more overall Square profile can turn on a dime
Two videos in one day!?? Truly blessed
I feel like they fit two different rolls, the clone wars was more of a MBT with combat as the focus, the post war counterpart seems more like something like an M113 or MTLB, a multi purpose platform that in it's base form is not the best armed but the ability to be used for logistics or mounting specialized weaponry or use as prime movers for artillery, these are APCs in their base form but have versions that can do everything from hunt tanks to engage aircraft to really specialized options like mortar carriers, flamethrowers and several other options edit: isn't there another post clone wars saber tank model that's more of an upgraded 130? Forget the name but I swear there's another model that was a sucessor
Correct, the empire had the 2M tank and also continued use of TXs and even an updated AAT type tank. this is complete false equivalence on Geetsly's part. Being from the same product line doesn't mean that it fills the same role. Look at the AT walker series or the DC blaster series, for example.
Are we forgetting that there is technology that hampers the effectiveness of repulsorlift vehicles? Repulsorlift vehicles are disabled when passing through shields and there are explosives that speciffically target repulsorlift technology, which is a fairly significant weekness for the TX-130. The TX-225 also would be able turn in place quite quickly due to its tracks, something repulsorlift vehicles are generally quite slow to do. Ultimately the Empire did not need the benefits of the TX-130 as those benefits are much better suited for the immense battlefields of the clone wars. The Empire was fighting insurgencies in the cities it was occuping and thus they needed a tank that performed excellently in such a role (the TX-225), not a tank that might be better overall but is just okay if not bad in the urban combat setting (the TX-130).
The TX-130 you want to be able to make a quick getaway since the TX 130 was adaptable to many environments.
No one’s talking about Geetsly uploading two videos today? I mean alright, Im fuggin hyped though lol 😂
Strange how the TX-130 was never shown on The Clone Wars show
130 no doubt, that speed was rapid
2nd btw
Shoutout to Legends Empire At War where instead the Empire just used the upgraded TX-130T, just increasing armor and shielding and calling it a day.
You realise that is literally what they did in Canon as well. Geetsly's is warping the narrative to make the empire sound like imbeciles, because, to put it into context, this is like comparing an ATST to an ATTE and saying 'aTtE iS sO mUcH bEtTeR, cLeArLy EmPiRe StOoPid'
For a vehicle meant to patroll cities not having its weapons on a turret makes it nearly useless in a city fight because it would be extremely easy to get behind or above it's field of fire.
I know that the following question does not have anything directly to do with the video but it just poped into my head so here it comes:
Would a blaster bolt of any rifle or blaster penetrate the frontal armour of the german Maus?
I would say probably not just one(if we're talking like a pistol/rifle), but after a few dozen you'd probably start at least heating it up enough to make it *very* uncomfortable for the crew inside. By the time you blast a hole in it, they'd probably already be baked from the heat of concentrated superheated plasma cooking them like a crock pot.
Something like a heavy blaster cannon like an E-Web, yup. Absolutely. Those things could take down STARFIGHTERS with ease, they could hammer through a Maus in a matter of a few seconds probably.
In relation to the Wampas question, I'd go for the TX-130 as although Wampas would have a hard time beating through the TX-225's armor, TX-130 has got missiles, which can keep said Wampas farther away from me in the first place.
The 225's weapon setup does not do it any favors. Having main weapons that can't traverse independently from the main vehicle seems like an objectively awful design for something meant to fight in areas with limited space to maneuver. The 130 gets away with it by both not being designed for urban combat but also being designed with such an emphasis on speed that it could reposition itself and and its guns as fast any tank turret.
One tank to take on an angry group of wampas? Then I'm taking either the Juggernaut or the AT-TE which they seem to always call a "tank"
The TX-130 Sabertank is one of the cool tanks in Star Wars. We hardly ever see them.
TX-130 is my favorite Star wars tank.
(Besides AAT).
It should be noted that the TX-225 Occupier was a vehicle equivilent to that of an APC. It was a multipurpose vehicle designed for engaging enemy vehicles and fortifications while also transporting heavy cargo and troops.
The TX-130's ONLY purpose is to fight infantry and other armoured vehicles so you really cant compare the two.
Exactly tank vs apc
Thank you. This video is clearly meant to just hate on the empire and give people another reason to love the Republic and pretend like the GAR wasn't utter rubbish
This has to be the tank off bf2. Freaking beast playing on genosis going for the last objective.
When i first saw the Imperial tank in rogue one I thought the treads were a goof.
My tank to take on an angry group of wampas? Leman Russ Incinerator. XD
Another example of technology devolving in Star Wars
It's a shame that the tx-130 tank doesnt appear more often in Star wars
Tx-130 Especially the last one where the tower was controlled by astromech Greater speed and firepower
The clone tank is clearly the better tank. While granted it's not an entirely fair comparison sense the saber has next to no armor compared to it's younger sibling and is like three time as fast it's still better. It's more maneuverable in a lot of ways, it was decently shielded, and had a decent weapons compliment that it could equip as needed.
The empire tank however while it's got better armor more cargo capacity and more weapons the placement of those weapons is subpar it has limited ability to threats coming from behind. And while the saber isn't much better the the occupier in that way it can at least turn around easier and just better fulfills it's roll that it was maybe for.
I mean in all seriousness a regular Abrams tank from earth is a better tank, at least as far as desinge gose as if you overlook the obvious armour and weapons disparity between starwars and real life real tangs are just better designed as far as how they function and fill the same roll but tactically superior.
For all palatines want and planning had he not cheeped out on the vehicles and weapons and not used the tarkin doctrine he might actually have succeeded in his goals of rules the galaxy eventually. Well provided he lived that long of course.
There is nothing to hate about the TX-130. It is that good.
About the heavy fighter tank
I have seen that some SW channels are slowly using more footage from Space engineers into their videos
Got a Lego one of these
The tx 130 or 'the droidsweeper' in republic at war
TX-130 is really cool and i like it in battlefront 2 but i just get mowed down by droidekas and b2’s which isn’t so fun
I’m surprised that they didn’t take the turret off the AAT and threw it on the occupier
Though, I do like both Tanks here
The TX-130 Republic Fighter Tank is and always will be my Most Absolute favorite Tank
I would imagine had the TX-130 still been produced around the time of the galactic civil war, I imagine newer technologies could be added to possibly make the Tx-130 more durable.... better armor, better shields... about the weakenss of the real of the TX-130 most tanks in the real world have weaker back armor, or so goes the trend, either way th AAT had a similar weakness.
Built like a starfighter, eh? I want to see one equipped with a hyperdrive.
Not to mention that 1 land mine can claim a mobility kill or even a kill on the empire's tank while a mine wouldn't have much effect on the republic's tank
Yes, finally after several previous videos where you said the Empire's vehicles and stuff were superior to the Republic, the Republic finally gets a win!
Unless we talk about the IFT-X's Legends successor, the IFT-T.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Oh dang it, don't take this victory away from me. LOL.
Not necessarily a victory nor a defeat, since both are basically the same tank, but with different names.
Anyone who's played OG Battlefront II and Star Wars: The Clone Wars (OG Xbox 2002) knows that the TX-130 is the overall best tank of the two.
tx 225 looks like someone had the right idea... but then they changed development teams... 5 times. it's fundamentally a Bren carrier which can work... in circumstances where you need a machine you can unboard relatively quickly to cover a distance at speed.
the weapon placement though is an absolute travesty, the middle pair exchanged for maybe some mine scanning/disabling equipment, and the side weaponry mounted in the middle of the back while using up the rest of the space for infantry to hitch a ride on and/or having them for gunfire support would work so much better. or if the side weapons were instead short barreled sentry blasters able to each cover the entirety of their side. (like the main/ ball turrets mounted on bombers.)
The TX-130 is undeniable the superior combat tank while it's main guns aren't turreted the tank has such an emphasis on speed that it can run/strafe circles around most land vehicles due to how fast and maneuverable it is and can turn quickly. And it's weapons are heavier and more versatile and it's shielded. Not to mention it can equip a variety of turreted weapons up top.
Yep you right. But when compared to some other imperial tanks, the saber tank actually lags behind. Take for example the 2M (better firepower on same chasis), the 1H (super armored and has good firepower) , or the S1 firehawk (faster, more armored, and long range firepower). Or even the tx130t, basically a complete upgrade on the republic tx130. The occupier is a multirole cargo vehicle, not a true dedicated fighting vehicle, not something you should see on the front lines, even though Disney would disagree lol.
@@undraftedboomer5055 For the 2M is actually depends on which canon we're using. Legends has a slight weapons advantage.
1H I would argue is worse while it does possess better energy weapons it lacks the variable munitions launchers that the TX-130 has and the 1H lacks shield generators which the TX-130 has. On top of that the 1H has a much bigger profile and is slightly slower then the TX-130. And the 1Hs top two cannons are mounted with horrible firing arc. If you look at a picture of it the guns look like they can't be aimed down at all and look as if they have to arc their shots to hit anything at range and can't hit anything at close range.
While I agree about the S1 Firehawke I'm not sure I'd put the Firehawke in the same category as the TX-130 because the Firehawke is a heavy tank while the TX-130 is a light tank.
Yeah the T version is a straight upgrade.
Totally agree the The occupier shouldn't be counted as a frontline combat vessel.
But one thing we have to keep in mind to is that the TX-130 is more of a light tank meant to deal with infantry and light vehicles possibly medium vehicles while some of the imperial vehicles you mentioned are more like medium and heavy tanks meant to deal with other medium to heavy vehicles. So we do have to keep that distinction in mind.
A pack of Wampas? TX 130, ez. Dump the entire magazine of rockets into them.
Tx-130 can be used in city's in bf2.
Took down the Dark Reaper in the TX. Good times….
I'd pick the clone wars era one. It's just better. for close quarters, you can just drive slow when the situation calls for it.
me I will use both, the TX-130 will be use to attack and the 225 will be use to defense, this way the base or city will be protect from ground force enemy but is will not be useful again air force enemy, this why is need some air unit to deal with the air force enemy
Yes yes the tx1-30 is good but how cheap is it, the empire’s whole thing (for personal) is “strip everything that’s not a necessity and make a lot of em” for example the tie fighter.
TX-130
Different weapons for different doctrines. The Occupier is fine.
How come Star Wars vehicles never protect their gunners. This is especially an issue with the Republic Vehicles where the Gunner always sits out in the open air while everyone else in the vehicle is protected by armor. Why don't they ever put a trasperasteel or Shield bubble around the Gunner to give them some semblance of protection rather than just being out in the open. With Star Wars technology I don't see why they couldn't put a small Shield projector around the Gunner or just put a bubble around them
I agree the clone tank was superior but let us not forget the imperial tank was mainly for hulling cargo
The tx-225 isn't a real tank in star wars. Nothing disney has made is canonical.
TX 130 sounds the best and is better for a lot of thing the TX 225 i would put for defense in a city and for cargo carrying and escorting because it seems to be a good tank for the job but the TX 130 is just better in all other fields but its defense and urban warfare but overall I choose the TX 130
Yeah, because they are completely different kinds of vehicles. I feel like these types of videos are just made to trash on the empire. Why couldn't this be a history of the TX series video? If a comparison should be done, why not actually compare the TX to the imperial equivalent of it rather than a model that has a completely different role.
STAR WARS LEGION PLAYER SPOTTED
Is it just me or that the Empire really cares only just quantity alone? If that's the case, it's not a surprise why this factor also contributed to the Empire's downfall because they completely threw the idea of quality off the window.
The empire has both
Tx130 were great in bf2 on yavin 4 I would wreck my brother in it blowing up like 5 snail tanks
i think the mistake was naming it OCCUPIER and then not giving it a turret.
I can't help but think that maybe you're throwing a drive yard sabotage to TX225. They built a decent tank That looked good but just couldn't live up to its predecessors legends. And was useless in every major engagement engagement against almost any other force on a open battle feild.
Wait, what? Why are you comparing 2 tanks that have completely different roles? Just because the 225 is an offshoot of the 130s doesn't mean it is the spiritual successor, that is the 2M tank. This is purely false equivalation to try and justify the argument that the GAR is somehow better than the Imperial army.
First?
SPEED i am speed
a TX-130 fighter tank, i eat TX-225's for breakfast
why yes the M4A3 sherman has more firepower than the M998A1 Humvee...
you are comparing a pure combat tank to an armored cargo carrier, the TX-225 might be called an 'assault vehicle', but the cargo bay makes it a cargo carrier/utility vehicle. the fact that the TX-225 has better armour makes the TX-130 look really really bad.
speaking of, you didn't give the cargo capacity of the TX-225 seriously. amateurs discuss tactics, professionals discuss logistics. a lightly armoured tank is useful for little other than reconnaissance (both passive reconnaissance and reconnaissance by fire) and screening. a slower but properly armored vehicle can be used for assaults, logistics, troop transport, etc.
additionally discounting the other variants of the TX-225 is unfair, these variants show the versatility of the design. this is especially unfair seeing as you praise the TX-130 for flexibility due to its repulsor lift capability, yet you ignore the repulsor lift TX-225...
Comparing Republic innovation to Imperial tech is like a T-Rex to a chicken. How did evolution screwed up so much?
TX-130 all the way. Greater firepower & FAR greater mobility makes this the better tank in most situations. Sure, the TX-225 is more durable, but it is much, much slower and far easier to flank. It doesn't function as artillery or a troop transport or anything like that. The TX-130 is an exceptional light fighter tank, while the TX-225 is a very mediocre, decently heavy tank.