Why Warcry Worked and Kill Team Didn't
Vložit
- čas přidán 8. 01. 2023
- Warcry and Kill Team are both great skirmish games. But one has seen tremendous repeat play at our table, and the other has fallen by the wayside. Why did Warcry succeed for us while Kill Team didn't?
- Hry
I am a big fan of Warcry. I played the original Kill Team but by the time the second edition came out, I had started playing Star Breach and Space Weirdos, both mini agnostic games with cheap or free rules. I haven't gone back to Kill Team.
I've been interested in Five Leagues (Five Parsecs) and Space Weirdos but haven't given them a try yet.
Hey! You guys are the Kratos and Atreus of tabletop wargaming! Love the dynamic!
High praise, indeed! Thanks so much!
:)
Helpful, ty. Trying to decide which one to jump into. Warcry definitely sounds better for dipping my toes in.
Warcry is simpler for sure. And, in our opinion, more enjoyable.
Great video, glad to hear your insights 🙂
Thanks so much!
I agree with you guys. My son is 12 and Warcry is our fav to play. Even though I have way more 40k minis. Great job 👍
Thanks! Kill Team is a fine enough game. Just not for great for us.
As someone else with a kid Warcry wins without a doubt. There isn't an attention span to dig into kill team.
Yeah. The complexity for Kill Team just isn't worth it. For us, anyway.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I picked up the kill-team octarius set but just couldn't make it work. I regularly play 40k, but the fantasy side of warhammer is calling out to me, and I think war cry would be a good way to get my kids in to tabletop games
Yeah. Warcry is a simple system (though still with strategic depth). It's been a big hit here.
Great content!
Thanks so much!
If kill team was more streamlined like warcry it would be legit.
That's what people were hoping for with the leaks before the mew edition dropped.
The bespoke warbands in warcry are the second largest seller for me. The models came out stellar
Yeah. Kill Team is just a little too fiddly for my tastes. The models do look cool, though.
It's the rules and how each figure has it's own special abilities. Warcry streamlines and makes the special abilities, work quickly and easily. Kill Team would benefit tremendously if they used the Warcry system, I would get into Kill Team in a heartbeat.
@@blkjet117 That's true. In Kill Team basically every operative is unique. But in Warcry, you usually end up with a few that have the same abilities. So less to remember.
Thanks
No problem!
Cool
Thanks!
I think once you go competitive Warcry has much much more list building then Kill Team but otherwise you guys are spot on.
Thanks! Yeah we aren't much into the competitive scene. But Warcry has been a favorite of ours.
Great video guys! Personally to me Warcry is the best GW game out there
Thanks so much! We agree. Warcry is fantastic.
What is an example of a 'twist' in Warcry?
There are a ton. But a recent one from Hunter and Hunted is "Inimical Enzymes." At the start of each battle round after the first, each fighter on the floor takes d3 damage. So it encourages you to make use of terrain.
@@battleready7214 The floor is lava! Cool. That gives me a bit of an idea of what that's like. When you said twist I got really curious.
@lystic9392 Yeah. They are randomized and each one adds an extra (fairly simple) rule for that play. Some are more impactful than others, but they are pretty much all fun.
I think the point the gentleman in the blue shirt made, rings true with me the most. Kill Team has similar complexity to 40k, just with less models. For example, you still have around 10 different "units". I feel like 10th edition combat patrol is much simpler than Kill Team. Warcry has less of that complexity and rules bloat.
I couldn't agree more! We've been playing a little bit of combat patrol recently and I've been enjoying it wayyyy more than kill team.
I started with KT and enjoy it, never tried warcry. One note - you said that in kill team, every unit has a unique profile. That's in the previous edition, which is KT 2, which came out in 2018. In KT 3 (2021), teams are broken up into smaller "fireteams" which have more repeating units with similar profiles. I heard that Kt2021 is similar to warcry mechanics, and anyway, I think KT2021 is the best edition thus far. You should give it a shot if you havent tried the new edition yet. I recommend the octarius terrain for unique matched scenarios; its some of the best kt has ever offered.
Might try warcry though, since i have tzaangors from KT i can use
Thanks! I was talking about Octarius and the specific teams that came with it. I've only used the Octarius and Chalnath teams. I know you can bring 40k models and make different teams, but I've only used the bespoke ones.
And Kill Team is a fine game. It's not "bad" and has a lot of good to it. But it just wasn't for us.
Warcry is just more fun, less fiddly and better balanced in my opinion. If you love Warcry you should check out this awesome battle report, really cinematic and fun: czcams.com/video/AvmNxI0N7SA/video.html
Maybe I will! I'd be interested to see how they did it. We did a couple of Warcry battle reports a few years back but they were awkward to film, didn't turn out great, and overall made the play experience less fun. Thanks!
First to the Key!
:)
My family loves Warcry for a quick "beer and pretzels" game that we can play multiple games and simply have fun without having to sweat too hard.
My son (17 y/o) and I play Kill Team when we want to get REALLY tactical and spend hours playing out one match, agonizing over every move.
Warcry is for laughs and having fun, Kill Team is for competing.
That's a good breakdown. Though I think there's probably a little more strategy to Warcry than implied. Still, no denying that Kill Team is far crunchier.
@@battleready7214 There certainly is strategy in Warcry, but it's all on the fly and you end up winging most of the time based on how the cards set the game up, and it's not required to think tactically first-and-foremost to have a shot at winning.
One bad move in TP1 can cost you a game of Kill Team. You'd really have to pull some shenanigans for the same to happen in Warcry in my experience.
With all of that being said, there's a reason that we play easily 5x as much Warcry as we do Kill Team, because the "fun" in Warcry is much easier to access.
@@wtfserpico True. Warcry is a lot more forgiving.