Pete Best on How He was Replaced with Ringo Starr | The Beatles
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- An excerpt from an interview with Pete and his two lawyers, Freddie Gershon and Barry Goldberg, in New York in Autumn 1965.
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This whole issue is ridiculous. I'm a musician and it's very common and understood that bands will drop and replace players when the circumstances call for it. If George was a crappy player, they would've found someone who fit and drums are incredibly important. I've played in bands with lousy drummers and when a really good drummer sits in, it's a huge relief and you don't go back.
Pete Best was the best drummer in Liverpool (1960-1962). Lennon, McCartney and Harrison were crooks.
@@jaroslav70 You are welcome to your opinion, no matter how wrong you are. I maintain my objective in this. If Pete was the "best drummer", then it's a curiosity as to why he never became known for being that. His claim to fame is his failed role in the beatles. I've played with many players who left bands because they didn't fit with the personalities or the goals of the band and yet went on to notoriety in other bands and styles.
I stand by my statement and you can maintain yours.Cheers.
Seems Ringo clicked with the group and made his ❣️. Remember the group as they hit it big 1964 in the States and Ringo was a great personality with him wearing those rings.
Sorry about Pete, but that's life and it must of been painful
These interviewers are very non professional. Sounds like it was recorded in a Brooklyn basement.
Exactly, people get fired all the time musicians do too life sucks ,then you join another band if Best was so good he should have had no trouble copping another gig ,there were plenty of bands ,and venues to play ,at that time
Pete Best’s “atom beat” was said to be four in the bar bass drum - a bass player’s nightmare.
Hi! Why is that?
@@joetowers4804 because it ties you in.
In the end I got to admit that Ringo totally made the Beatles image and was a better and more versatile drummer he completed the image and the look of the band.Don’t get me wrong I like Ringo and also Pete after some research was not in sync with the rest of the band never bonded with the other three so my apologies and truthfully Ringo was a better choice, I guess my initial reaction was I felt sorry for the guy but musically Ringo fit the perfect sound of the Beatles and look,also Pete was a morose and distant his mother did not help at all while Ringo was funny and more charming.So my dear friend you win the argument best wishes to you and by the way Pete made out pretty good money wise with the anthology take care Vinny Ciao.
I wonder if Brian didn't discuss Pete Best replacing Ringo in Rory Storm & the Hurricanes..
Brian Epstein arranged for him to be placed in a group called Lee Curtis and the all stars , who where second in the merseybeat pole behind the Beatles at that time , incidentally they got a deal at Decca records , the same company which said pete was no good when he played with the Beatle !!!
George Martin WAS unimpressed with Best, based on the June 1962 EMI recordings. Martin DID want a session drummer for the next Beatles sessions (in September 1962), but said Best was OK for band live performances. Proof is that Martin DID hire Andy White for the Sept sessions. But in the meantime the Beatles replaced Best with Ringo. Nevertheless, Martin said he was taking no more chances on another unknown drummer. And so there was White, ready to go, in the studio in September.
You're leaving out Ringo's recording, on September 4th. Martin rejected it, same as he had rejected Pete's. Even Macca said Ringo's version wasn't suitable for the record, that his timing wasn't good. It was a week later, on September 11th, that Andy White did the official recording. Ringo showed up that day expecting a second crack at it, but was livid when told he'd have to cede way to Andy White. So furious was Ringo, they gave him a tambourine to play during the recording in an attempt to pacify him. Starr said he never forgave Martin for that rejection.
@@Cosmo-Kramer and yet Ringo’s version appeared on the PPM album, so it’s clearly passable. The single was the Andy White version yes.
@@thefonzkiss I know Ringo said that, but he's lying or has just gotten it mixed up over time. I strongly suspect he's lying, because the truth embarrasses him. What is the truth? Well, there's the consensus truth, and then a conspiracy truth. First, the consensus truth, is that Ringo's September 4th version, which Martin didn't like, was accidentally released as the group's first single in early October. This goof got EMI in dutch with Andy White, because he was contracted to be on that single, and owed royalties. So they remedied it by destroying the masters of Ringo's version without making any more pressings of it. And they reissued the single with White's version. Also, when it came time to release PPM, they had made certain White's version was used, as they had destroyed Ringo's version. So why would Ringo lie about this, and say he was on the album and White was on the single? I suppose because in his mind it's more prestigious to be on the album, if you had to choose between being on that or on the single.
Now for the fun part, the conspiracy part, which I actually came up with. Well, what do we know for certain? We know that it's White's version on PPM, and we know that because when they recorded it, Ringo was initially in the control room, having been replaced by White. Ringo was sulking so demonstrably that the engineers threw him a bone in the form of a tambourine, so that he could go join his band on the recording. The PPM version clearly has this tambourine. When Ringo recorded his version, no one was playing the tambourine. We also know that Martin rejected Ringo's September 4th version, made during Ringo's first day in the studio, prompting Martin to hire White to come in to replace Ringo the next week, on September 11th. And we know that the version initially released as the single did not contain a tambourine, so it could not have been White's recording.
What's the conspiracy, you ask? Well, Ringo said in his Anthology interview the following: *"Andy didn't do anything so special on the song that I wasn't able to copy it."* Now, that *_could_* be just part of Ringo's lie, to support his false narrative that he's on the album and White's on the single. Buuuuuut, there's another possible explanation! Ringo recorded the song TWICE! Once, on September 4th, which was rejected by Martin, and WE have NEVER heard, because it was NEVER released. Ringo was brought back into the studio to record his version a second time, AFTER White had made his recording, which Ringo copied. And THAT is the version that was initially released as the single in early October.
Well, WHY would any of that happen? Here's how I look at it. And I'll put it in timeline format for you:
*September 4th* ~ Martin booked this session just for the guitarists, to prep them for an official recording session at which he'll provide the drummer to replace Pete, who Martin still believes to be the band's drummer. Martin knew they'd had all sorts of technical problems recording the boys back at their last session, the audition in June, and so he told Eppy to just send the 3 guitarist on September 4th, so he could make sure they were ready for when he brought in a session drummer, and to make sure his crew of engineers had worked out all the technical issues. Hiring a session drummer costs money, and so Martin didn't want to have any issues when he was in the studio. That is why no session drummer was present on September 4th. And that is why Martin has said repeatedly that he had no idea that Pete had been replaced in the band, and he had no idea who this new guy, Ringo, was, when he showed up unannounced as a tag-along with the band. It may seem strange that Brian would allow Ringo to show up unannounced to Martin, but if JP&G insisted on it, then yeah, he might've kept that news from Martin. Why would JP&G want to just show up with Ringo, without Martin knowing in advance? Well, the signed contract between The Beatles and Parlophone was with John, Paul, George & Pete. Not Ringo. So JP&G may've feared that if they told Martin ahead of time that they'd replaced Pete, Martin might've have said they breached the contract, and don't bother coming on the 4th, you're a bunch of amateurs and the deal is off.
Because even though Martin wanted to replace Pete with a session drummer for the recording, Martin wasn't blind, and he knew that Pete was a big asset to the band. Here's what Martin said: *"Pete had a sullen charm. I was surprised to learn they'd replaced him. Pete was the best-looking Beatle, and the most marketable among them."* Well, even though he said that later, JP&G had been bandmates with Pete for two years, and seen firsthand the star treatment he got from fans, club managers, and the press. They knew Pete was the best-looking and most popular Beatle, and not by a little, but by a mile. (That's why they dumped him.) So in their minds, there was no way in Hell they were gonna tell Martin (or have Eppy tell Martin) that Pete had been replaced in the band, out of fear Martin would tear up the contract. They were gonna just bring Ringo with them on the 4th, and hopefully impress him with Ringo. Although, I think JP&G knew Ringo was no better than Pete, and had less studio experience than Pete, and would also fail to pass muster with Martin. Which is exactly what happened. But JP&G figured it would be hard for Martin to tear up the contract in their faces, so they brought Ringo unannounced.
*September 11th* ~ A few days after the 4th, Martin has listened to the tapes made that day, and decides the boys are ready, so he contacts session drummer Andy White and books him for the 11th. On the 11th, Ringo shows up with the band, thinking he's going to get a second crack at recording, and he may not've even known Martin didn't like his recording on the 4th. What he definitely didn't know, was that a session pro was going to be there to take his place. He was furious, and never forgave Martin for it. Well, I won't repeat what happened in detail, he sulked and was allowed to get on the recording with a tambourine.
*Some day about a week after September 11th* ~ The lads had gone back to Liverpool and Ringo was humiliated, because everyone was asking about their recording session and he's not drumming on it. Remember, the bullschit narrative JP&G had been spreading was that they HAD to dump Pete because the producer in London was going to tear up their contract if they didn't replace him in the band. So if Ringo was being replaced by a session drummer, and the producer was not requiring the band to dump Ringo, then why did he require them to dump Pete? It would make no sense, and JP&G would've been outed as liars. Hell, everyone already knew they'd dumped Pete out of jealousy, but this would've confirmed it.
Well, JP&G are now scared to death that Ringo was going to quit the band. Because that was going to be a HUGE problem for them. Pete had already joined, Lee Curtis & The All-Stars, and all the other drummers they'd asked to replace Pete ahead of Ringo said they wouldn't do the dirty on Pete. The Beatles were already toxic enough, having sacked Pete, their most popular member. Ringo was the only one who'd do the dirty on Pete. Well, if Ringo quits, then they're really phucked. So JP&G tell Martin that Ringo must be given another shot, he's got to be on the record. And Martin said, *"I'm sorry, boys, but I've already contracted with Andy and he's made the recording which I've already approved. It's too late."* But JP&G said, *"But Ringo's gonna quit. Can't you let Ringo do it again, and put him on the single, and Andy on the album?!"* Martin reluctantly agreed, but said, *"Alright, we'll have Ringo come in next week off the books, but he had better nail the song! And if he does, I'll put his version on the single. But only temporarily. Because Andy's entitled to those royalties. I'm going to have to pretend it was a mistake, and all subsequent pressings for the single will have to be Andy's version."* JP&G agreed.
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Beatles fans try not hating Pete Best challenge (impossible)
Pete best was slotted into a group called Lee Curtis and the all stars within weeks
And flopped hard literally was signed to Decca
Much of what's being stated here has been proven to be untrue.
All Pete had to do was to stand up against it and say I EARNED THIS SPOT FOR TWO YEARS,THE BIBLE SAYS ,A MAN IS WORTHY OF HIS WAGES
I see. Pete's career came after the Beatles
So serious, like a murder investigation.
Is this an interrogation lol?
This is a good interview. The references from Brian Epstein's book are enough for me to deduce that Pete was replaced for reasons other than his drumming and musicianship.
One Beat Pete.
The best band in the world needs a great drummer. Without a great drummer they will not survive. The drums are the heart of any band. Because of the Anthology album, we get to hear Pete playing with the band. It is so poor and the other 3 are being pulled back. I now understand why Decca and many other record companies turned them down. If not for Brian Epstein's perseverance and his very lucky meeting with George Martin, we might have lost the Beatles. Remember, lots of great bands split up because they did not get a break..... A few months later The Beatles bring out their first album.. AND THEY ARE ASTONISHING.. WITH A GREAT DRUMMER AT THE ENGINE...However, the fans will just give their opinions for ever and ever and ever........and ever and ever......
Exactly a mediocre drummer will drag a band down the others have to carry him & it's hard work
& frustrating. I've heard the Anthology album with Pete Best & he's not a good drummer &
he just has that one beat & different from Ringo Starr a way better drummer with lot of chops
Pete was a weak link in the chain if there's a cog in the wheel you get rid of it.
Fuck off asshole Pete got sacked because women loved Him!!!!!!!
@@vincentpascalino01 There are two facts here. and you got one of them: 1) women loved Pete, and 2) Pete was serviceable drummer at best, but he was mostly sloppy, especially compared to Ringo.
It says " They never gave me a chance". I think it was 2 1/2 years he played with them. It didn't work out, so move on. Seems he just wants more money for doing nothing again. His personality was a liability at the time. Can you see this guy in A HARD DAY'S NIGHT? Or HELP? I think not. This was , I believe , a deciding factor for the long term success. Epstein often said they would be BIGGER THAN ELVIS. Elvis did movies. Maybe Brian was thinking about this all along as well. He had vision, obviously.
Pete best isn’t telling the truth. George Martin did say his drumming wasn’t good enough. You can see the video interview where George Martin says that. What Martin did NOT say was that they had to sack him , he just said the would get a session drummer for the studio and Brian Epstein could do what he wanted with him on stage
Ringo is a mediocre drummer too. Something else here.
That's demonstrably untrue. Ringo is an excellent drummer who could play a wide range of styles, learnt parts unbelievably fast and could extemporise with the best of them. There are several videos by drummers detailing what was different about Ringo's drumming and explaining the influence he had on the band and beyond.
pete was never cut out to be a beatle .he could not sing .his drumming was mediocre.he could not comb his hair beatle style .he was not a true scouser he was born in india .ringo was the opposite .he was the last piece in the jigsaw puzzle
Wrong. Pete not only could sing, but he did sing, on 3 or 4 numbers at every Beatles gig for 2 years. Paul, who played drums when Pete sang, even wrote a song for Pete to sing called, "Pinwheel Twist". Plus, Pete most certainly was a true Scouser. He was born in India but moved to Liverpool as an infant. Pete's father was a longtime Liverpudlian, who was the city's biggest boxing promoter. As for Pete's drumming, he was terrific. He was only sacked because the others were jealous of his leading-man looks and immense popularity with the fans and press. If ya don't believe me, here's what a contemporary drummer of Pete's said when he was asked in an interview what he thought of Pete's drumming: *"He was a genius. You could sit Pete Best on a drum kit and ask him to play for 19 hours and he'd put his head down and do it. He'd drum like a dream with real style and stamina all night long, and that really was The Beatles' sound, forget the guitars. I was amazed when they replaced him. I even thought about learning guitar so he could be the drummer in my band. The Beatles didn't hate Pete Best, but they didn't want to be outshone by their drummer. Ringo was a good drummer but he was more ordinary."* - Chris Curtis, drummer for The Searchers, a great Liverpool band who scored a 1964 Top 3 Hit in the US charts with their classic, "Love Potion # 9". Chris saw Pete Best play many times in both Hamburg and Liverpool during Pete's two years as The Beatles' drummer.
Look RINGO was a better Drummer.
Talking rubbish.. it was cut with Ringo and Andy white
Sure. Two years isn't enough of a chance.
Pete's talking about not having been given a proper chance at recording, "Love Me Do". Pete, and the whole band, was caught off guard at that audition when George Martin out of left field changed the arrangement and drum pattern, telling Pete to drop the skip-beat he'd been playing it with in the clubs and practice sessions leading up to the audition. And even with all that, George Martin actually had NO PROBLEM with Pete's drumming? It was his assistant producer, Ron Richards, who told Martin he'd want to use a session drummer. So Martin went along with it. But it wasn't his idea. And what about Ron Richards? Well, he said later that he was very picky about drumming and was asking too much from Pete in this one particular part of the new arrangement Pete struggled to cope with. Ron went on to say that Ringo would not have been able to cope with it, either. Okay, who else was there on that fateful day? Norman Smith, EMI sound engineer. Norman said, *"The problem wasn't with how Pete was drumming, but rather with the new arrangement that he was being told to play. It was a terrible arrangement."* And how about the other EMI engineer working the session, Ken Townsend? Ken said, *"I didn't see any reason why a session drummer would be needed to replace Pete. But these decisions are above my pay grade, so I kept my mouth shut."*
@@Cosmo-Kramer Richards "was asking too much from Pete," defeats your whole argument by your own reasoning. Pete's subsequent band after The Beatles never made a dent in music history. His recent videos show how out of synch and repetitive his less than modest abilities are. The real kicker is that his drum track for Love Me Do sucked. His main accomplishment is crying in his beer.
@@georgestevens1502 Umm, did you miss the part where Richards said that Ringo would not have been able to get that one part Pete struggled with, either??? And as for his, "Love Me Do", track "sucking", for Chrissakes, did you even READ what the EMI engineers had to say about it???? Good Lord, you are blinded by your hatred for this man. smfh
@@Cosmo-Kramer All you have to do is listen to Pete's "drumming." It sucks. Production assistants trying to appease bosses means next to nothing. Did you miss Pete's dud of a career and constant story changing while he cried in his beer?
@@georgestevens1502 How were sound engineers Norman Smith and Ken Townsend "trying to appease bosses"??? Ummm, Smith and Townsend spoke out AGAINST their boss' decision with their comments stating that Pete was not a fault and should not have been replaced. You're not very bright, are you?
he's such a weasel.
Look its well known in liverpool that richard starkey ( ringo ) was a far superior drummer, and the right personality to go with it, Peter was a very good drummer alright but ringo warts an all was simply more advanced in his drumming .
Oh really?? Why don't you go listen to, "My Bonnie", from Anthology. Focus on Pete's multiple drum rolls. Not the first one, which provides the instrumental intro to the song, as drum rolls that start from a standstill are cool when played well, but not anything too special. No, listen for the subsequent drum rolls Pete executes. He plays them fast, and at-speed, meaning he's already playing fast, the regular beat, when he suddenly goes into the rolls. And then he transitions just as seamlessly and quickly out of the rolls back into the regular fast-paced beat. Now that, is impressive. So then, let's compare that to Ringo's drum rolls. Oh wait, we can't. That's right, I forgot...Ringo didn't know how to do drum rolls. Not even from a standstill, let alone at-speed. In fact, George Martin said some years after he began producing The Beatles, *"I didn't rate Ringo very highly when I met him. He couldn't do a drum roll. He still can't."*
@@Cosmo-Kramer BEHAVE !
@@stormytempest6521 TF is that supposed to mean???
@@Cosmo-Kramer You speak the truth Sir!
@@bgraham928 Thanks. Hey, are you Bobby Graham, the London-based drummer who was offered Pete's job and turned it down, before Ringo was offered it?
I didn't even listen to this cry baby Pete Best. Get over it for GOD'S SAKE. You ended up getting paid off when The Beatles Anthology came out. U did not fit into the group personality wise as well as talent wise.
@King Vegemite You weren't there either. We are entitled to our opinions. This is mine.