How Dalit Christians fare in the anti-caste discourse | What’s Your Ism? feat. Shalin Maria Lawrence
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Caste and untouchability owe their origins to brahmanical Hinduism. But caste oppression is not restricted to the Hindu community. Dalit Christians and Dalit Muslims face challenges in asserting their rights and demanding affirmative action.
In this two-part episode on What's Your Ism, Sudipto Mondal speaks to Ambedkarite author Shalin Maria Lawrence and sociologist-professor Khalid Aniz Ansari about the complexities of anti-caste politics among Christians and Muslims in South Asia.
In part one, Lawrence talks about caste oppression in the Christian community, Periyar, caste identity, political lobbying in Tamil Nadu, the POA Act, and laws to protect the rights of minorities at the intersection of caste.
She also recounts her lived experiences of discrimination in church. “Within my church, I’m an untouchable. Within the church my ancestors built. The church I stopped going to. For generations, only Dalit women have been sweeping the church. Why?”
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I am ex-christian atheist. But I know why lower caste comes into christianity(no its not rice bags). A lot of chruches actively preaches anti casteism and other anti discriminations. A huge chunk of people are outcast of their social circle, may it be family, friends, neighbourhood, etc. The church actively helps them with companionship, and self help stuff. It give them purpose and sense of belonging.
Lower caste converts retain their reservation and rightfully-so as even if they have converted, the casteist population continues to discriminate.(Because of Chamar Chamar he rahega logic).
If the members of a chruch are casteist, then the news is spread to other chruches like wildefire. And attracts a lot of scrutiny from other churches. I have seen cases of casteism in chruches of north india mostly where there are casteist hindu population in the locality.
So as per my experience, hindu community is at fault most of the time when a convert happens. If you treat people of your own community no wonder they dont want to be a part of it, doesnt require a high IQ to understand this. I have noticed Hindu community does not take strong steps against casteist people, lot of the time they are applauded, then they cry reservations reservations, areee you first correct your own community. In south a lot of MP MLA are openly casteist and people still vote for them.
Force and rice bag convertion are a rareist of the rareist thing, that even other chruch complain. As according to thier logic it brings bad quality of faith. Some chruch wont even convert you if you fail to give spiritual reason why you want to convert, knowledge of bible and practices, christian philosophy, active member of church. Heck, the church wont even allow christian member of the church to do some practice as they are weak in faith.
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What is your opinion on Rahul statement that Dalit don't get into IIT because General set the paper ?
You are full of crap. The church has big part spreading and sustaining casteism among Christians apart from Christians themselves. You are trying really hard to save the Church from this sin. You may have seen the one of two incidents of Churches not protecting caste system. This lady is right. It's Just not her many said the same things about inactivation of churches about caste system...
Perfect ending to the interview. News laundry must be applauded for their treatment of this topic.
Excellent 👏🏽👏🏽 Shalini madam🙏🏽🙏🏽
Thanks!
very good report, loved it.
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The cruelty of Christian missionaries, after converting the innocent, illiterate villagers is to guide them to "TELL LIES TO THE GOVERNMENT THAT THEY ARE HINDUS AND NOT CONVERTED" to continue to get the reservation benefits. Sadly, when they attend the Sunday prayer in the church, the missionaries preach that " TELLING LIES IS A SIN AND WOULD GO TO HELL"
Imagine the mental agony, insult, humiliation a human being undergoes in this situation
Are you stupid? There's a separate reservation for people who get converted to Christianity. They don't have to lie. Go through the list of reservation categories. When Hindus gets converted to Christianity they bring their tradition along with them which is something they need to let go. You get to see this mostly in Catholic and CSI churches.
The christian missionaries who are involved in conversion are from under priveleged communities.
Please upload this episode in apple podcast
She's a Intruder guys 🤨🤨🤨
You guys missed one thing and that is sub castes among major castes , Like for eg
Me : Are you a dalit
Person A :Yes I am a dalit but in the dalit category my hierarchy is on the higher side , I am a less dalit
It was Dr. Ambedkar who founded 'The Labour Party ' besides implementing numerous ProLabour Laws.
There needed to be someone more articulate to voice the complexity and really explain this issue for someone who does not have awareness of the caste politics of Tamilnadu.
After following Realist Azad, Rational World and a few CZcams channel, I realised that Hindu culture is engrained with hatred and prejudice and most people have been converted from their native Smarta roots of Jainism and Buddhism.
The Christians and Muslims suffering this is because, they are around people who still continue Tanatan Culture.
Accept Buddha and you'll know why Ambedkar was right!!!
Tanatan is a slavery that every nav-Sanatani should come out of!!
All the best.
Try to learn the difference between Mazhab and Dharma.
Fraud Ambedkarites are falsefully interpreting Dharma as Mazhab, and spreading blatant lies.
Those conspiracy theorists who say everything thing is copied 😂😂 I am logical person think with logic how is everything copied, U made my day by mentioning those fool name who just cry in live stream and just insult some hindu that's not the way we are gonna change our country
Even history is written by Britishers so their logic fails there
@@AtheistIndian2024 I'm proud to be a Hindu Atheist.
@@AtheistIndian2024 you said you're an atheist and then come backing Hindutva 🤡
Brother don't u dare read budhist religious text view on caste or women , pls don't do , u ll die of shame on ur views , only if u have shame sensitivity left
Some people have wrong notion of conversion...it's not only about escaping caste discrimination.....people convert because they have a supernatural experience...a Christ experience...many people convert out of love for Christ and conviction in his teachings...
More power to Shalin. Jai Bhim!
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This is second video on caste issue I watched, there are many things I can't explain in few words, but first just correct 2 facts, 1) Ambedkar made all this all because British Govt appointed him to do that. And why British Govt so generous to do this? because there are lot of protest going on for this demand from 1890's through railway protest organised by Communist, & later Congress involved in this.
2nd) Ambedkar comparison between Marx & Buddha is false, why? When even Ambedkar himself say that many will call me mad or fool for saying this, in his Marx & Buddha book. I think ambedkar do this out of compassion because he trained as Economist, practice it as accountant, lecturer & investment consultant and then shifted to Social movement. So imagine the situation where you need to counter Congress's Brahminism & Left's Marxism and also justify why you are taking right path by converting religion as a act of socio-economic upliftment. On top of this, this also show his compassion for Marx, not make him less communist, then self-declared communist. I haven't started with Lenin yet.
Now 3rd part Dravidian & adi-Dravidian issue, I am still not aware about much, but when you say adi-Dravidian is indigenous people, then will they consider not as ST then? This part need broader explanation.
+ The OBC & Dalit fight she explained, I see it in UP, Bihar. the anti-Brahim fight but not anti- caste fight. So I can little bit understand this part.
+ I expect much much wider explanation on ditching of communists to Dalit fights & rights.
Casteism is extreme in the Communist Party- CPM in India. The top post, the All India General Secretary post is reserved for Brahmins. From the first AI GS, EMS, to the present Yechoory, the post is reserved for Brahmins to date.
Casteism is extreme in Christians. There are separate churches for Dalit Christians. Even the burial ground is separate. In the literate state of Kerala, this casteism is extremely visible. Recently, a boy Kevin Peter was murdered by his girlfriend's brother and father stating that Kevin was a Dalit Christian.
In Kerala, on average, 500 converted Dalits come back to the original Dharma.
Reservation benefits require casteism. Casteism is promoted by Christian and Islamic leaders to facilitate conversion, alleging there is casteism in India. Rahul Gandhi and I.N.D.I. Alliance stands for caste census to aggravate casteism and to encourage conversion.
But the young generation of India will eradicate casteism. They don't bother about castes and live together in the future.
As a Keralite, you sound like a sanghi propagandist. Dealing with caste is an ongoing struggle, and as Ambedhkar said, we need to deal with Brahmanical ways of thinking that can exist in any caste or person, it is not just relegated to Brahmins as a group. So singling out the CPIM which actually has a long history of anti-caste struggles and fighting untouchability, while ignoring the fact that Pinarayi Vijayan exists, and the CPIM is mostly an Ezhava party now, and ignoring the obvious casteism of the caste based parties that ally with the BJP, like the Nair service society, and unfortunately even the SNDP and Congress, you've made your propaganda clear. We aren't idiots lol. Try as you might, we will keep fascist trash like you out of power in Kerala. All of us have to struggle against casteism and misogyny, and but I'd take the CPIM over your caste based parties any day in Kerala lol.
What the heck, how is are there Dalit Christians? Wasn't their sole pupeose to convert to Christianity escape Casteism. Why then are onlt hindus and brahmins blamed for caste based atrocities?
Hindus are not blamed for caste based atrocities. People who do caste based atrocies who are mostly upper caste are the ones blamed from casteism.
Yeah their purpose was to escape casteism. But ultimately it is other people who decide what caste you are. If other people still treat the converted christians as dalits then they are dalits.
@@greenrico10😂 that means bjp is anti caste party isn’t it?
@@greenrico10 Lol even lower caste creates sub caste to bully others. Hindu community is absolutely to be blamed for caste based atrocities. YOU CREATED IT. You dont make efforts to stop the one who commits atrocities. You sit around and cry about reservation.
@@harshpatel7250nah... Most of the political parties are either dominated by Brahmins or any other dominant castes except BSP
@@jesonthomas3142 what are you smoking man ? BJP has became Dalit party long ago , look at who’s CM of MP. Even modi is backward caste in Gujarat 😂 . What the hell ? Look at the tickets of bjp runners
I lived with Christian Protestants and also with Catholics in Northeast India and West Bengal never hard Dalit Christians... I saw many Dalit (SC) Pastors and Fathers in Calcutta, Siliguri and all. It's nothing like Dalit can't be a pastor or Father. First of all Catholics and Protestants are more or less two different religions even though they both worship Jesus. This lady is bringing religion into politics and her Dalit agenda. She has not got over with her Dalit identity. When church administration announces for a job "who wants a swiping job?".. Obviously less educated and like-minded people will take the opportunity. Why is she not swiping even though she is a Dalit? Because she is educated. Cast system is from Hinduism and it should stay with Hinduism only in Hindu samaj. Once you are out of Hindu you are out of caste systems...
Caste system should stay in Hinduism? Only in Hindu Samaj?
Studipo sir who you called to represent Christian. She is going on victimization more and less on Critical arguments.
Some arguments in podcast :
1.Studipo- SC community is essentially Hindu( Buddhist, jain,sikh) and not xtisn n muslim
Shalin said it is because identity, hindu is recent term and she was 6 gen already a xtian.
So innocent argument, Did dalit Christian ever demanded that they want to be included in SC septate electorate. Answer is No they are already have xtain Seprate elecotate. If untouchability was there that time then why they are with dr ambedkar then on SC seprate electorate issue
2. Q by studipo - ambedkarite argues it is not moral to give SC status to xtiains because they were rulers
Shalin -british favour brahmin. Dalit Christian face untouchability in churches.
While reality is The British king who was Christian gave seperate electorate for xtains and later to schedule caste(excluding those of lower caste converts n upper caste bengal buddhist)
Today Dalit Christian have made churches for themselves and dalit Christian who is archbishop now.
If Dalit Christan feels untouchability then they can ask seprate protection from government or resolve issue itself in churches.
They have larger protest for SC status that any untouchability protest and if they feel untouchability and
why they dont demand to be included in SC seperate electoate that time. They were much in favor of their minority electorate.
Another thing is she said she converts because there is no dignity in hinduism and she likes jesus and also faces untouchability in Christianity. If you feel untouchability why you conveted in first place. convertion purpose is to leave untouchability in Hinduism na?
Q- ambedkarites argures dalit Christian are not anticaste and are more faithful for their religion ( anticaste in broad catagory we are asking dalit xtian contribution in ambedkarite SC reservation upliftment movement).
Shalin- gives examples of anticaste protests by xtians.(but is this a reason whyto include you in SC list. Many brahmin did anticaste work so by logic we should include them to in list)
All dalit Christian are congressi to root and they never vote bahujan parties
They were not with ambedkar in any temple entry water drinking movement in septate electorate in SC ST act protest that happened in 2018 not any in land reforms movements run by SC they were never with us
Most dalit xtian stated they feel more close to jesus and congress than dr ambedkar
Shalin again lying about dalit Christian was in SC list and president strip of xtain from SC list in order of 1950
This is propoganda
Truth is that in constitution assembly debate xtains n muslim voluntarily give thier reservation in assembly patel have said it and asked they for minority rights for themselves
On other hand sikhs are there demanding more caste to include in sc list. Where were then xtain n muslim back then.
This demand of xtians and muslim are pure political and religious reasons and not because of untouchability. They are economically well off, higher in religious and academic institutions
Their objective behind this demand -
1) SC political seat so they can increase representation of christian and muslim in parliament
2) Convertion of SCs(hindu and Buddhist) to xtains n muslim(they thought Main resistance to conversation of SC is their loss of SC reservation)
Chriatans n muslim Both get reservation through 27% obc quota then why they want claim less 13% SC reservation.
If they feel they face discrimination constitution have ensured abolition of untouchability they can demand for seprate IPC,more Scholarships and minority institutions. We will support it but we will never allow to invade and dilute our Rights.
I expected interviewer to ask this questions too but all his recent podcast have this propoganda people in it
Studipo sir if you want to do justice to this debate call genuine Ambedkarite to podcast.
Dear news laundry, this is my humble request for you to choose your topic representative wisely. This lady Shalin is not the right person to talk about this I feel. Let me give you an example: There is a you tuber who self claim himself as senior journalist called Savukku shankar and his interviewer felix are accused of making derogatory comments on women. Savukku shankar is an serial offender in this issue. All they do is talking all kind of rumours and rubbish about politicians, celebrities and/or any media/common person. He previously arrested for making comment stating that "women who work for court judges doing cast couching so that they can obtain high paying jobs". Now he again made the same claim about police department women and arrested for that. The interviewer felix also completely agreed his statements in that interview so he also summoned in this case. This Shalin Maria made comments on this issue stating that the tamil nadu government targetting Felix just because he is Christian dalit. I just gave you one example but we people of tamil nadu know what she is speaking and what she is doing is divide and rule politics only. There are N number of people who are making tremendous effort for dalit community against be it a BJP/DMK or any government for that matter. Please choose who you are interviewing and do some background check.
When it comes to conversion, harvesting souls the same Christians heap abuse on Hindus and ask the Pope and Vatican for all the support. But when it is about wrongly termed Dalit Christians ..... Modiji! Please help
An Ambedkarite who does not convert to Navayana Buddhism? How funny. Isn't converting to Navanyana Buddhism a logical end of the Ambedkarite movement?
Nope, because even Navyan Buddhism is a means to an end, that is the social, political and economic transformation of India. Conversion to buddhism without internal change is not something that lives upto its ideals.
@@battlerushiromiya651 means to an end, ....your own logic ... then ... Shouldn't she be following "means" practiced by Ambedkar himself be the most effective way to achieve the desired "end"?
@@nv9991 Actiobs speak louder tjsn words. None of her actions are anything Ambedkar would disapprove of.
Really news laundry..? To talk about dalit Christians you got this half boiled lady!!! I think here after I have to start to verify the guests in the news laundry interviews...
Dekho I accept in Hinduism caste is a problem but I can tell you its more problematic in Islam and Christianity specially for converted hindus ! Because they hate you .. Hence my friends its time to join your roots COME BACK TO SANATAN DHARMA either it is Hindu , Sikh, Budhha and Jain community ! We will welcome you and you will get reservations !
This is the reality !! 🌟🌟🌟🌟❤️❤️
For any GHAR WAPSI DETAILS you can contact your nearest TEMPLE MAHANT OR GURUDWARA PRABNDHAK !
Its an attempt by the bhakts to divide hindu society into pieces. 😂
Just like a marijapee book writer praises government and nearly given clean cheat
Illya raja will also stand by modi on the he need to stand with SC ST
Laapata hai ... 56 inch ka seena
Laapata hai ... China ko dikhane wali laal aank
Laapata hai ... Women and Child development Minister
Laapata hai ... cases jo ED, CBI, IT ne open kiye, par aaropit neta bjp mein join ho gaye
Laapata hai ... president, jo iss Desh ka sab se uncha post hai
Laapata hai ... 400 par ka naara
Laapata hai ... modi sarkar ka 10 saal ka report card
Laapata hai ... CAG ki reports on govt policies
Laapata hai ... ECI ke officers
Laapata hai ... pm ki sharm
Laapata hai ... pm ki sach bolne ki himmat
aur pata nahi kya kya laapata kar diya hai iss govt ne 😢
So they want the benefit of education which they get after converting to Christianity and also they want the benefits of reservation.
1st go and change all the syllabus and books which criticize Hinduism for the caste , because now you guys are saying caste is an social issue and not an religion issue if it is a social issue then why only hindus and Hinduism get all the criticism for it.
The very basis of Christianity is "All Human are Equal, irrespective of where he or she is born, and anyone who believes in Jesus and follows his words, is a Christian irrespective of which religion or region he or she is born ". There is no caste in Christianity, the concept of caste is being carried on only by those who even after adopting Christianity, are not ready to give up the reservations and other govt benefits, its just lust of money. If they have adopted Christianity because of discrimination in what they believed earlier, and embraced a status of equality, then why do they want to carry on the stamp of any caste. The speaker here is giving a very illogical comparison of black and white in America. Skin colour is a visible human distinction and can not be given up whatever religion he or she believes, but the caste system is what Christianity denounce. Also there is no discrimination of caste in any of the Churches as claimed by this lady as caste does not exit in Church, its all just her lie (jhoot bolo type) to validate herself. The reality is those who are financially weaker in Christianity are given jobs and charity from the Church and other institutions to bring them on par with others. Even after 6 generations (as claimed by her) why she still wants to benefit from being on a scheduled list. Scheduled Tribe is acceptable as its just a group who are given special status and benefits because of their living conditions not an imaginary caste system. The caste system existed and still exists only in Hindu religion, even if hindus were classified only 200 or 300 years back by the Britishers they never classified Christians or Muslims as Hindus. The classifications of Christians as Catholic or Protestant is not a caste system, also the Muslim classifications are not like caste but the prophet lineage they follow. This lady seems to have no basic knowledge of Christianity or Muslims but just validating her want for social benefits. News minute should deter from bringing such biased speakers.
1:15:28 1:15:28 Have you ever been to catholic church? People who show discrimination in churches are from upper caste who have converted into Christianity, as they have roots to discriminate people, they have not changed even after converting into Christianity and discriminate lower caste Christians in churches. Do you know even in Protestants, there is discrimination, Mala caste people doesn't marry Madiga caste people because they believe mala is upper than Madiga( these are sub-castes of SC community). In Hyderabad, mostly the church leaders are from mala caste and they do politics not to elect Madiga caste. Christians who became famous in tv channels are mostly from upper caste. If you say you are Christian and tag yourself with upper caste surname they respect you, but the same person doesn't respect you if you say you are Dalit.Castism has never been washed away even after converting into Christianity. Even now, if someone says they are Christians, they believe that they are Dalits. If you don't know please don't talk. One more thing, we are not fighting for reservation, why do we still get discriminated by society even after converting, how dare you tell us that we are fighting for benefits, we are fighting for our rights not for govt jobs, by the way how many govt jobs are there in society? Govt has removed this SC category to control Christian population not that we are not facing discrimination.
@@jerushagandham2853 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I am a Catholic Christian, and this caste system is carried on only by the so-called a b c people, just because even after adopting Christianity, they have not given up some of their earlier discriminatory mentality and rituals, and they carry on as is. It's everywhere, and are regional aspect, which every community of people carry on, even after adopting Christianity. There is no need demonizing whole Christianity for the insanity of a few people. Christianity is a religion and every regional group of people have their own rituals which they separately follow, so Christians are not like a model of a sports car to be the same everywhere, but even then there is no place for any kind of discriminatory separation of humans, like the caste system. Like I wrote in my original comment, classification like scheduled tribe is valid as its based on living condition or financial status, but caste discrimination or division is never acceptable for any kind of benefits or losses.
Dalit Christians caught in the Church vortex R L Francis
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The Dalit Christians are today caught in the vortex of Church leadership which is difficult for them to break free of. Slowly, the Dalit Christians are realising the ground reality and how they were deceived. Sometime ago, a south Indian group of Dalit Christians had submitted a memorandum to the UN General Secretary Ban ki Moon alleging that the Catholic Church and Vatican are exploiting Dalit Christians. They are being discriminated against in the name of caste. They should be given equal rights in the church and if they cannot do so, the UN should abolish the special status of permanent observer to the Vatican.
Christianity is organised religion. After the government of India Church is the second such organization that has unlimited resources that can generate employment on the lines of the government, At present the church is running thousands of schools, colleges, hospitals, NGOs and other projects but hardly they prove beneficial to Dalit Christians. Most Dalit Christian organisations are appealing to the Church not to divide the Christians in the name of caste but find out ways for their growth and development on the basis of casteless society. This will benefit the economically weaker sections of the Christian community and facilitate implementation of the principle of diversity
On the spiritual or religious matters the plight of these Dalit Christians is more miserable. There are six Cardinals in Catholic Church in India and none of them is Dalit; same is the case with 30 archbishops - no Dalit Christian; out of the 175 bishops there are 9 Dalit Bishops. Among the 822 Major Superiors there are 12 Dalit Christians and out of the 25000 Catholic priests 1130 are Dalits and out of some 1 lakh nuns, only some thousands come from Dalit Christian community.
A decade ago the St Stephen’s College in East Delhi had announced with much fanfare that they will provide 40 percent reservation to the Dalit Christians. Similarly, the Delhi Catholic Arch-diocese too declared 30 percent reservation to the Dalit. But the St Stephen’s College stopped this provision after a couple of years and the Catholic Arch-diocese did nothing after making an announcement.
A handful of clergy group has now established its monopoly on the entire Church Empire in India. According to the Karnataka High Court’s former judge Michael F Saldhana 1.3 percent clergy dominate the policy decisions of the church while 98.7 percent laity has no role to play. According to R L Francis, a Christian thinker and writer in the last six decades the church had sold properties worth millions of rupees and no one knows about the money that came from selling these properties! There are thousands of churches in India where the annual collection goes to RS 2.5 million per church. But there is no model of development of Dalit and poor Christians using this money.
www.icrr.in/Encyc/2018/11/19/Dalit-christians-church-caste-in-church.html
Dalit Christians in India file complaint with UN against the Vatican
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Christian Dalits in India filed a complaint on Tuesday with the United Nations accusing the Holy See of not doing enough to curb discrimination faced by “untouchables” within the Catholic Church.
The complaint accuses the Vatican and the Indian Catholic Church leadership of caste-based discrimination “by way of allowing it directly and indirectly in their spiritual, educational and administrative places”.
The delegation asked the UN and other organizations to urge the Holy See to eradicate the caste discriminatory practices and to withdraw the Permanent Observer position of the Holy See in the UN if the Vatican does not take the necessary steps
The Pope ends the letter with a direct threat, "Whoever does not do this will be ipso facto suspended a divinis and will lose his current office".
Dalit Christian Liberation Movement (DCLM), Appeals to His Holiness Pope Francis on the Issue of "Caste and Discrimination of Dalits" in the Catholic Church
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I am not hindu, muslim or christain but from being very empathic to such issues i know have experienced that everyone is hateful given the power. I would never have expeected it but i now see BJP being more unifying than any other ism.
Hindu dalits are our people! But dalit Christian somebody please snatch rice bag! Btw I am vibing on Mera Yashu Yashu! Repeat after me Hallelujah....... 😂
Hallelujah😂😂😂😂😂
Now courier my rice bag please😂😂
Sure @@user-hr3kh6uj3z
dang this channel is such a pajeet-magnet.
@@samuraijosh1595 yes I also feel that I have such a urge comment on this channel Because I can't even resist my self commenting even from your mom's bedroom! Yep! She's with me👍
She is not an appropriate resource for conversation-format podcasts. Pl give her 30 minutes of space to deliver a practiced monologue. Let her vent her genuine anguish. It will be good for her mental health.
Sir change your language. Plzz sir only in hindi
Thiruvalluvar dalit what proof?!
#cry-about-it
Then there's no point in converting, is there? I'm saying this not because they're going out of the hindu fold. But as Dalits, they have their own unique culture, practices and traditions. Why abandon that to go face discrimination again? Aren't they better off with their own indigenous identity (wrt their cultural practices) which they need to abandon while entering Christianity?
U have wrong notion of conversion...it's not only about escaping caste discrimination.....people convert because they have a supernatural experience...a Christ experience...many people convert out of love for Christ and conviction in his teachings...
@@mygoawithmathewalmeida3357Lol 😂
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Illayaraja compared Modi to Ambedkar and he is an open supporter of BJP. Shalin criticizing RSS and celebrating Illayaraja is contradicting on so many levels.
Casteism or BLM in the West is evil. Indian religious literature that forms the foundation of Sanatana Dharma is written by " Dalits ", a name coined 200-300 years ago to describe economically and socially backward people. Valmiki, Kalidasa are examples. Therefore the " Gods" are also not " Brahmins" Lord Shiv and his family reside in a cemetery and his body is covered with ash of burnt dead bodies. Lord Krishna is also a Yadav which is a backward community.
Therefore Sanatana Dharma is founded on the lives of deprived people
Valmiki was a Brahmin, not a lower caste, I wished you did some research.
Now for Yadav being OBC, is because, they have the power in Bihar being a majority to twist rules according to them.
As for caste, Parshuram was a Brahmin,
Ram was a Kshatriya,
Please, watch Realist Azad.
Tanatana historical reviosionism
@abc_va Valmiki was a robber..he became a Brahmin due to study of Vedas...let that sink in...Yadav were Kstriyas..they became obc so that they can get things for free .
Tell that to tamil obcs not Brahmins
What is a "Dalit Christian" ?? 😂😂
She want a SC/ST act for herself and permanent reservation bro
I am a former hindu brahmin and left Hinduism and accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior for the rest of my Life. Definitely not for money and rice bags..
I was never discriminated by christians by anything you talk here.
Those who have left castes and are born again christians DO NOT LOOK PEOPLE'S APPROVAL AT THE CHURCH. IF THEY DISCRIMINATE YOU, THATS NOT THE CHURCH OF GOD.
Are you south indian
@@unknown-tl3cu yes. And a tamilian too.
Christianity doesn't believe in rebirth... So when will you go to heaven??
@@shreevatsarao3260 you tell me what is your basis on rebirth?
You believe in evolution, don't you?
@@lifeisnow3944 Jainism Bhudhism doesn't believe in God or but firmly believe in Karma and rebirth
Ask the Pope to provide capital punishment to any Christian who calls others Dalit Christians - an enlightened Christianity can surely take care of its people rather than pouring money to convert more...
or they can do both, baneerjee.
@@samuraijosh1595 do one of the two properly
There are no upper/lower castes in Islam.
It's an Indian societal problem.
Ok then What's deobondi, ahle hadish, Barelvi, shia, Sunni, ahmaddiya (which are kafirs according to all others) ?..... every second sect is calling other kafirs and will go to jahannum. Sunni majority countries bitterness towards shia countries. Iraq iran war , Saudi proxy war in Yemen against Shia houthis. Don't get me started now.
@@cinefile0075 With pleasure, start my friend you'll learn new things.
All these Sunni-Shia-Wahabi-Deyobandi etc are "sects" (school of thought) and not "Castes" meaning you can choose to practice any of these no matter if you were born as one or the other. No one will say that you can't come to the other side. Instead, each will preach you to practice the religion their way because they think it's the nearest to what prophet Muhammad PBUH taught.
And why are the Ahmadis kafir? The simple answer is that they don't believe that the prophethood ended with prophet Muhammad PBUH. So they don't believe in the basic principle of Islam that's why they're kafirs.
Sunni-Shia divide is because of the conflict of opinions. Islam doesn't teach to raise conflicts, quite the opposite actually.
Iran-Iraq war & Saudi Proxy war in Yemen has nothing to do with the religion but the geopolitics.
And even in that matter, Islam teaches to be united so Islam is absolutely perfect but the Muslims aren't.
And I believe every other religion pretty much teaches the same things.
And yet you people take quotas based on caste...so stfu..you believe discriminate people based on religion..
Fake discussion. Propaganda to promote conversion.
Can you say the same things about other religions
Nahi matlab agar tum Christian ho toh dalit Kaise ho gaye 😂bhai kuch bhi
Sahi kaha.. mai Christian hoke yeh kabhi nahi maanta ki mai kisi se kam hu
@@danielhunter1773 nahi Bhai Par Merko Sahi Me Batao Jab Yeh Logo Ne Hindu Hona Hi Chor Diya Toh Ye apne App Ko Dalit Kaise Keh Sakte Hain Ye Double Game Khelte Hain yaar Pahle Buddhism Phir Christianity agar Tumhe Bhim Rao Ko Hi Follow Karna Hain Uski Hi Puja Karni Hain Toh Convert Hoke Kya Faida Or Agar Convert Hue Toh Kisi Ke Khilaf Hate Fialane Ka Kya Faida Na Jesus Ne Hate Karna Sikhaya Na Buddha Ne Toh Inka Maksad Kya Hain Convert Hoke Bhi
The people who converted in other regions are coward because they are using Dr Ambedkar
Well, Ambedkar himself got converted into other religion. So, we all are basically following him. He told all dalits to convert to different religions.
She is not a person with enough clarity on this issue. She talks about divisive politics and uses very weak and casteist arguments. Please find a representative who actually cares about the issue and is not thirsty for visibility and limelight 🙏 please. She is anti Dravidianism and targets leaders like periyar whose actions have benefitted the bc, MBC and dalit alike. She openly says dalit are better than the rest. She doesn't understand equality and has no regard for the most backward castes who undergo equally horrible discrimination.She has very little political clarity and keeps playing the dalit card, disrespecting the struggles of other marginalized communities disregarding the absolute privilege she is in.
How can u be a dalit and Christian there is no caste in Christianity
There is no caste in Islam as well..how can you be an OBC Muslim? or a sc Muslim?
@@krislo4788 I know these r talentless lowlife who have nothing but their pathetic caste card
Castism in Islam is only in the sub-continent you will not find this in other Muslim countries its sad. As many Muslims will be learning Islam these things will change Insha Allah.
Abe Chalna Abdul puncture banaa..
yes, castiesm is just racism at play under the layers. Aryan-Dravidian hypothesis
@@samuraijosh1595 It's a false argument as u can't tell who is dalit who brahmin just by looking at them so it has nothing to do with race , it's a pure religious concept and even after converting to other faith, you are stuck with you caste inferiority or superiority, it means u have some favours in previous faith
@@AtheistIndian2024 no you're stuck under casteism because casteism is not about religion. It's ethnic heirarchies or racial heirarchies at play under the hood. We're all belonging to slightly different variations of the proposed Aryan Dravidians races.
@@samuraijosh1595 Do Hindiusm not have caste system in their religious texts?
When a shudra Akhilesh Yadava visits a Hindu temple, Sanatan Hindus get the temple washed with Ganga Jal. Why do these Sanatana busters visit Yadava Krishan temples?
Valmiki Dalits washed temple
@@unknown-tl3cu Dalit Valmiki, who leantent sanscrit without going to Gurukul and wrote Ramayan? cleaned a Shiva Parvati Hindu temple??
OBC Modi wrote Karmayog, a 101-page booklet discussing manual scavenging. In it, he said scavenging is a "spiritual experience" for Valmiks, a sub-caste
Dalit Christian, Dalit muslim are oxymorons and Pashmanda means backward not Dalit
Tell that to the Supreme Court. 🤡
Let's be very clear you can either be a Christian or a dalit! By the way how many kgs of rice😂😂😂.
arey baccha hai tu abhi
privileged class hai na, pata nhi hai india mein joh bhi janam leta hai toh you are given a caste irrespective of your religion...
10 Kg brother. but i don't support this lady as she suspected of BJP payroll
@@satvikverma5803 bro if you want reservation why dont you turn hindu and then ask for it you will get it if not than please resolve your religion issue
@@satvikverma5803Why don't you turn to buddhism? Have you read babasaheb??
@@I_am_groot_3874 Babasaheb ddidnt mandate all of us convert to buddhism.
1. The idea of collective justice is bizarre & instead individual justice should be pursued.
2. Body color is tangible while caste isn't so one can't change body & identify a person merely by looking which doesn't apply to caste.
3. I left the video when she said 'Hinduism is 150-200 years old religion created by Britishers'! Jokers!