THE MOST INCREDIBLE Projector I have EVER Experienced! Christie Griffyn AS
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- The Christie Griffyn AS is THE MOST INCREDIBLE projector I have EVER experienced!
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Key features
› All-in-one, compact design - No external chillers, laser racks or parts, and a manageable weight of 170lbs makes it the smallest and lightest high-brightness RGB laser projector available
› Digital convergence - Easily adjust convergence using the remote control to maintain a perfect image
› Omnidirectional - Operates in any orientation for unlimited installation flexibility
› Christie TruLife+ electronics - Delivers native 4K at 120Hz, or up to 480Hz with 2K resolution for unprecedented image fidelity
› Full range Light Output Adjustment - For all applications
› Expanded color gamut - Produces greater than 98% of the Rec. 2020 color space for rich, vibrant and true-to-life visuals
› Superior contrast and blacks - Groundbreaking 10,000:1 On/Off contrast ratio
› No Laser Speckle - No diffusors or screen vibrators needed
› Energy efficient - Operates on 220V single-phase power for lower cost of ownership
› Christie Twist - Built-in image warping and multi-projector blending software
› 4K lens compatibility - Compatible with most Christie 4K lenses
› Field-replaceable RGB laser light source - For easy service and replacement
› 3 Years Christie Warranty - Christie Extended Warranty available for a surcharge
Technical specifications
Image brightness: 15,000 ANSI lumens
Contrast: 10,000:1 On/Off
Display technology type: Dust-sealed 3DLP® (1.38")
Resolution: 4096 x 2160 (4K)
Operating Noise Level: 43 dBA
Illumination type: RGB (red, green & blue) pure laser
Performance: 25,000 hours to 50% brightness
Orientation: Omnidirectional
Image processing: Christie TruLife+ electronics, 1.2Gpx/s
Frame rates:
• 24-60Hz standard
• Optional 96-120Hz 4K, 240-480Hz 2K scaled
Inputs standard:
• 4 x 12G-SDI
• 2 x HDMI 2.0
• 2 x DisplayPort 1.2
• Fiber (QSFP+) for use with Christie Link Transmitter (1 input/1 output)
• HDBaseT
• Terra® (SDVoE)
• Audio out
Warping and blending standard:
• Christie Twist™
optional • Christie Twist Premium and Twist Pro
• Christie Mystique™
• Christie Guardian
Lenses: (Specific to the Christie® Griffyn™ - Absolute Ultimate AV Solution)
• 1.13-1.66:1
• 1.45-2.17:1
• 1.95-3.26:1
• 2.71-3.89:1
• 3.89-5.43:1 (lens not available in the USA)
Input line voltage: Single phase 200-240 VAC, 13A, 2600W max (8,870 BTU/hr)
Connector: IEC60320 C20 Inlet
Cooling: Liquid, self-contained
Laser class: Class 1 - Risk Group 3
Operating environment: 5-40°C (41-104°F)
Relative humidity: 10-80% non-condensing
Dimensions size: (LxWxH): 36.3 x 25 x 15" (922 x 635 x 380mm) not including lens
Weight: 170lbs (77.3 kg) - Věda a technologie
this is a FOMO moment for me - now I’m going to get another job to buy a bigger house so I can fly Don in to build me a home cinema room that can house this projector! Of course we’ll all be sitting on the concrete floor because I have no money left for furniture, clothes or food.
🤣🤣🤣
I am glad you have finally met a Christie…I have always known there are other projectors and there’s a christie projector
So it seems 🤣
That was a pleasure to watch, Michael. I love the way you described it, especially loved hearing you say “tomatoes” as an Englishman (as a Brit myself) and always enjoy the excitement and joy on your face when you talk about experiences like this. 👍🏻
Have a great weekend, too. 🤩
Thank you CableGuy. I do tend to get excited about Home Theater.
@@Youthman just how it should be. Keep it up. 🤩
Dan
Hey youthman, I've been running Christie digital for number of years now and I'm glad to see you have now discovered them. They are very reliable units and man do they ever perform. My projector has some miles on it now but she's 4500 lumens with spectacular picture quality performance after all these years. Anyways great video as usual looking forward to the follow up visit. Cheers
Thank you Paul
I’m definitely getting this, so thanks for the video.
Christie makes incredible projectors! I used to drive truck for a company that picked up there and brought stuff all over Canada and the US. They're actually quite diverse aside from PJ'S.
Wait until Nigel gets the Christie Eclipse in his showroom. Which he claims is the greatest projector in the world. I suppose at $400k for a projector, it better be the best! Haha!
Great information! Appreciate your enthusiasm and channel. Read Avs daily so it's great to see people truly experience the cutting edge.
Thank you for the kind words Jeff
Don’t worry Youthman, you’re on the cutting edge of Home Theater tech. Your room is proof of that.
Glad you finally got to experience Christie Digital. We’re all biting our nails with anticipation to finally see the Eclipse in person. 😎
It’s crazy to think it can get any better than the Gryffin.
Thanks 4 sharing sounds amazing
You should do the ISF training, Michael. Colour space and Colour Depth/Volume is one thing, but humans have twice as many rods as we do cones in our eyes, so we see way more contrast than we do colours. So a greater dynamic range is even more impactful for a picture. Great video, cheers mate.
Thanks Paul. I’m always open to learning new things.
This explains why the Pioneer plasma Kura and today the LG are preferred vs Sony that plays to brightness in their tv designs. Thanks for the anatomy link here, great point 👍
@@JingoLoBa57 All OLED tv's LG, Sony, Panasonic, Philips etc have panels from LG Display. The contrast is exactly the same on them all 👌🏾
@@C--A that might not be true, even though they all use the same panels TVs are more than just panels…. Processors and software can change what a panel is capable of.
This is awesome!
Nice Youthman! Guess I'll start saving up 😜.
Some info about the Eclipse.
Three brightness levels are available for the Eclipse at 9,000, 17,000 and 25,000 lumens to accommodate different-sized theaters.
The 9k lumens is said to be starting at around $250K plus taxes from someone although the company doesn't publicly disclose the prices.
That would be an incredible experience... Looking forward to the video when you go back!
It was indeed.
My fav Projector for Cinema is Christie😍❤❤
I can easily see why. ❤️
15,000 lumens…Thats insanely bright. That’s 5 times
brighter than the JVC NX9 laser projector, and that projector is very bright. This is probably better suited for those with very large cinema rooms.
Yes the Griffyn is ideal for probably 15’ and larger screens
I forgot the new JVC projectors are NZ and not NX lol.
Over 100K without lens. It better be brighter then the NX9.
@@garypranzo9334Than.
NOT then.
Awesome work Youthman. Keep it up.
Thanks James
Hmm, cant wait to see the demo
I'm watching this on my OLED and the "Tomatoes" looked absolutely incredible with the perfect black background and deep green stem! : )
Wait until you see tomatoes in full BT.2020 color!
@@absoluteultimateav No one is prepared to see what this projector can truly do. You must experience this in person, you will be amazed. I know I was.
I work in Pro A/V my company sells all brands of projectors as well as Christie. Christie makes the best projectors at any level period. They are not the least expensive, but you get what you pay for. Some of my customers insist on Christie Only. This model is top shelf, Christie are used in many Theaters. 15,000 lumens is off the chain. Avg projection tops is 10,000 lumens with a few at 13,000.
I remember learning about color space and volume and getting a Coke can in real life and putting it next to one in a movie. I never realized that older displays and smaller color space cannot even come close to reproducing the red of a Coke can. My current Samsung QLED with HDR does a much better job but it is a cool test because everyone can get a Coke and there are tons of test photos in different bit depths and color spaces to test against.
That’s pretty cool to know
Is there any benefit for using additional left/right centre speakers allowed in the atmos spec?
Great overview. Can't wait to see some pics and video. Endgame dream stuff eh???
The ADL white 1% to 50% is over 10x greater than the JVC contrast which is unbelievable for a projector
The Gryffin is almost 10X the price too. 😉
Great video, just you talking about what you have seen was fascinating. Your enthusiasm shines through and makes it very watchable. Danger is of course seeing that projector may make you less satisfied with what you have which could be a pity. I think my low end 4K projector looks phenomenal so I am a bit reluctant to look at others. At the moment anyway. Thanks for the video.
Thank you kindly. Sitting in a Bugatti doesn’t make me think less of my Ford Explorer. I have learned to appreciate them both and to be grateful for what I have.
I work in audio video quality control for a rental company and I'm in charge of QC and repairing projectors. The Christie's that we have are absolute workhorses, go in and out of all sorts of different people's hands and are just built like tanks. Even the older ones like the Christy 14K-M series continue to do good service year after year. But of course we're talking about bulb-based projectors. Excellent laser based ones are the Panasonic 21k and Barco udm or udx series. Those guys really mean business!
I agree 100%. I have the WU12K-M (24,000 hours) and the WU7K-M (55,000!!! hours and still kicking). I hopefully will be upgrading to the Griffyn or the new M 4K25 once Nigel gets that in to go see both. The contract with the wife is ill keep this projector for 10+ years haha
Hey Michael...quick question. You're still using the JVC NX7 in your setup right? How do the recent UST's you've seen compare to your JVC? Although I would assume the JVC's are better but they too are way more expensive than the UST's. Are they worth the price difference in your opinion? Thanks.
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I believe this answers your question.
Talk about a “BEAST” !!!
Thanks for this amazing channel,I wanted to ask you I found brand new sony vplvw1100es with really good price is it worth to buy it I have already 4k but with this price and 3d option..your input will be appreciated
Thank you kindly. I haven’t seen many Sonys but have always been impressed with JVC performance.
Very very cool you got to go down there to see the Gryffin 😎. I talk to Nigel on AVS forum. Great dude.
It was a great experience and Nigel and Alan were great hosts.
@@Youthman I bet so! Sounds like the Experience Center will be a really cool place to see top technology projectors.
Can someone tell me where I can download that Quick Brown Fox "zooming in" animation video shown in this video? Is it somewhere on AVS?
You can improve any projector by using a natural daylight/sunlight cob LED starts to produce ultraviolet but in the safe zone make sure you check! cri 90+, 6500 k 500w, or whatever your machine is capable of going to, would exceed the wattage of the current bulb by too much 10% max
I Would like to watch a movie with that kind of projector. JVC n7 is very great but Grifyn is in another level of Home Cinema setup. Actually I'm use OPTOMA but I'm going to change my projector with new one (laser): OPTOMA UHZ65 or JVC N5 or 7 (depends by budget). In italy is difficult to find a dealer to try them so I've a lot of doubts.
Seriously, It is really that important for my kids to go to College?
Hey Youthman, can you help me out.
I want to buy a Marantz sr7015 but is it possible they release a new version in 2021?
There’s always a possibility of any company releasing new products at any time. They typically do not tell us when they are working on new products and when they do tell us, I usually have to sign an NDA which is a nondisclosure agreement
Does it support VRR (Variable Refresh Rate)?
If not, then no, its not the pinnacle of projectors imho (Seriously, Acer has a projector OUT NOW in a good chunk of the world that supports VRR at 1080p and its at a significantly lower price. These high end projectors need to catch up on that).
hello youthman..... brother can u plz help me by answering a question of mine....bro I want to watch gravity in dolby atmos....i have an atmos system at home and also have xbox one s....shall I rent that movie for atmos on apple tv app for xbox one s or not....Will i get the atmos output ??
I have been told that Gravity on AppleTV is in Atmos but I have not verified that myself.
@@Youthman brother....let gravity aside.... does xbox one s support atmos on apple tv app on its other content... kindly confirm only this?
This article should help - gadgets.ndtv.com/games/news/xbox-series-x-s-dolby-vision-atmos-games-hdr-3d-sound-2295081
It explains that Xbox one s supports atoms for movie streaming and newer consoles will support Dolby vision and atmos for streaming as well as games, the first console to support that
@@Youthman bro u r correct....just want to Confirm if xbox one s outputs on atmos on apple tv app..... thats my simple question.....only for apple tv app becoz this article is old before apple tv app made its way to xbox one s....just confirm from any of ur knowns....plzzz becoz il be buying a brand new xbox one s just for this gravity movie on atmos..dnt want to waste my money.
I do now own an Xbox so unfortunately that’s all the info I can help with regarding it
Thanks for treating us like your friends. If I had an experience like that I'd wanna talk to someone about it too.
That’s because you are my friends. 👍
@@Youthman you honor us. Thanks.
I appreciate you brother
What screen was it projected on? What was the size of screen? What was the FL? 15000 most likely uncalibrated but even after calibration its a lottt of Lumens.
12ft wide
DreamScreen UltraWeave v6 material. Calibrated to 17 foot-lamberts for SDR and 30 foot-lamberts for HDR. Using less than half the lumen capabilities of the projector.
This is a temporary setup until the Experience center is built, which will have a significantly larger screen.
@@nicko880 30fL only? wow, that's not actually that high at all, my own cheap Sony PJ with new bulb measured 35fL on my 11ft wide screen. Thought that many lumens PJ could get much brighter calibrated.
Oh it can go much, much brighter.
Easily 400-500 nits on that size screen.
But you don’t really want that. Higher brightness results in worse black levels and black floor.
Since projectors are not local array dimming, it’s always a balance between brightness and black levels.
100 nits is a good balance between brightness and black levels for this 10,000:1 native contrast projector.
Youthman i have a doubt. Why high lumens projector have low contrast ratio?
This projector is considered high contrast at about 10K:1. The only ones who go higher native contrast are Sony and JVC, but they more focus on home theater projectors so they don’t normally have several thousands of lumens let alone more than 10K lumens, except the 1 Sony GTZ-380 model for $80K.
I own one of these. It’s holds its contrast very well throughout the ADL range. Contrast is actually much higher than the Sony’s and JVC’s when it comes to the average scene in a movie.
What the price projecter
While I am sure this thing is WAY better than the new 3 laser USTs coming out.. I am really curious in terms of color gamut.. the new tri color USTs are claiming 105% or more of Rec 2020.. which is higher than this one.. are they all inflating their specs? I would think a projector like this would have even higher coverage than a UST projector that is I assume about 1/35 the price.
I was thinking the exact same thing today when looking at the HiSense L9G. It looks great but nowhere near what I experienced with the Griffyn.
They are not inflating their specs. There are a couple true RGB laser UST units that can do full rec2020 color. There is no point in going beyond 100% rec2020 though as there are no color gamuts used that are larger than rec2020, so there will be no colors beyond rec2020 in commercially graded HDR video.
The 100% rec2020 USTs have great color, but they have very poor contrast, and of course much lower lumens for smaller screens, not to mention limited screen sizes anyways due to being USTs.
This highlights the importance of Color Volume over color gamut coverage. The USTs have have full BT.2020 color gamut coverage however they don't have anything like the same Color Volume as compared with the likes of the Christie Griffyn AS, Christie Eclipse, or Christie M 4K25 AS. Furthermore they are coupled with very poor contrast which makes colors look washed out. Hence, lower Color Volume combined with poor contrast produces significantly inferior color performance.
@@absoluteultimateav comparing to sony or jvc christie griffyn projector's contrast ratio is less due to dlp technology. it may have higher lumens for bigger screens, but in terms of pure contrast jvc and sony wins.
@Youthman Just out of curiosity, how much is 25000 lumens in cd/m2 (nits)?
Lumens and nits are not comparable.
Lumens is a measure of luminous flux, which is a measure of the total quantity of visible light emitted by a source per unit of time.
nits is a measure of luminance, which is a measure of the luminous intensity per unit area.
In order to convert lumens into nits, you would need to specify the area that all the lumens are focused onto, and also what the reflectivity of the material that is then emitting (bouncing) the light from.
What Nick said 🤣
Wow what a special day. It's like being in the presence of a sports car. 🚗 Like you said wouldn't it be awesome to own a projector like that. Maybe a guy like your friend with million dollar home Star Wars theater can easily afford.
But how can makethis DLP projektor this deep black like OLED? 6 dlp Chips? How works. Normal , we know, only DILA can make this deep black i dont mean Laserdimming. Please, how works. The newest Masterpice is eclipse from Christie. We know, DMDs can not make this deep black. Im so interestet how it works. Thank you
You would need to email Christie.
@@Youthman ok. I searched. I know it. 6 Dlp Chips work. I dont find pictures how works. But i have an Idea, why the blacklevel is soo high. The Light from First chip goes to the second. One Chip have an work Angel from the Micromirrors -12 to +12 Degree. So they can Double the Angel to -24 to +24 Degree. The Blacklevel goss not linear up. That goes much progressive up. No Light goss to Objective if on both DMDs Mirrors blend the Pixellight to Blackbox. I Think thats iit. And that way of course for blue green red. At the End, the typical technic give the picture Out. Of course, this is an easy and short Example. But thats it, i Think. With perfect Processing, and Filters, optical Elements, polfilters and so on, the Result is an picture State if the Art. Better then oled Lcos and DILA, because much negative things from this other good Technics , goes away. Amazing Idea from Christie. It would be I very good Idea for Singlechip DLPs. Yes we would need 2 DMDs, but the Picture with, for example, 3 LEDs wirh minimized Rainboweffect, would be much bether as all Lcos and DILAs. Sharper, brighter, Liftime, Blacklevel like a Dream. More Ansi contrast and all the goodies from DMD with Blacklevel an colors from OLED. Ok. Maybe a Dream. But we See, it would work.
I love your enthusiasm. You are sound like a kid who had trip a chocolate factory :D
That pretty well sums it up. 🤣
So basically he have a theater projector. in his home .
It’s exciting to think that there is still a long way to go in the technology and manufacturing to get the prices down. Maybe in the next 5 to 10 years the average guy could afford a JVC or Sony projector that could put out these images just off a standard 4K disk!
Unlikely due to manufacturing and scale of production, projector sales are collapsing and with it r&d and innovation as mass production costs. Also due to tvs higher nits therea no way projectors can keep up. 12 bit panels are coming next with 4000 nits and up potential maybe by 2025 and then bam projectors will be almost 2 generations behind tvs. Not only sub hdr capability apart from the newest christie projector which costs about $1,000,000, that is not this projector its much bigger and has liquid cooling but also would be competing with a hdr12 we'll call it and 12 bit which most likely come with 8k and bigger screens as well.
I personally do not see TV’s replacing projectors. You simply cannot get the same immersive cinema experience at home, even on an 85” TV.
@@Youthman i get you buddy but give it 5 years and you will see 98 inch oled/q-oleds tvs affordably and in 10 years 110-120 inch tvs affordable. With 12 bit displays round the corner its matter of when not if. The highest end cinemas are slready using leds over projectors for this reason for deep blacks and hdr pop. Micro led allows for modular display and lots other tech jusy round the corner with amount r&d and consumer demand in displays it will get bigger and cheaper and faster and faster all the while projectors are losing market share. Dont get me wrong if i had the money right now and was a millionaire id go for that top spec christie projector that gives oled like picture except it could be 150 inch with perfect blacks and still amazing pop but for million pound maybe even a samsung micro led would be a better buy it would be a throw up between them if i had the money... but i dont have to worry as im not a millionaire hahaa
Just my opinion, but I don't see a 98" OLED being the norm within the next 5 years. I could be completely wrong. Currently, 98" OLED's are $9000. I'm guessing in 5 years, they will be down around $4000 - $5000 which is quite expensive for most consumers for a TV. I certainly agree, tech is awesome and I'm looking forward to what's down the road. But I see the same happening within the world of projectors. Better tech and every year prices will decrease. The great thing is as consumers, we have a LOT of options and the best option will not be the same for everyone.
Well, I just realized the 98" TV for $9000 was an LED, not an OLED. It appears the 98" Samsung Z9G OLED is "only" $59,000. Yeah, that definitely will not be anywhere near affordable within the next 5 years.
How much is the Eclipse?
I don’t believe there are any hard numbers yet, but from what I’ve been told it may be close to $350,000-$400,000
At 9:03 can you please share that lady picture, maybe a link or on email. Looks fantastic.
You can email me at michael@youthmanreviews.com
I think Christie have a new projector called Eclipse that surpasses Griffyn, but thats for multi-millionaires only! It'll be cool if you could see that when it's available and on demo.
Yes I mention that in the video. I will get to experience it in a few months.
I’d love to know the recommended room size. Most home theaters (I’m guessing) simply aren’t large enough. My room was too. Small (ceilings aren’t high enough) for the 380. I’m excited to see what the NZ9 will do when I finally get it (I preordered immediately). But I’d love to go higher end at some point. I just think it’ll take a bigger theater room.
Yes these type projectors are for 15' wide screens or large and large rooms in general for safety concerns with the laser output.
😜😜😜😜😜 Already looking my jaw on the floor.
Hope its not too.much of a letdown the next time you watch a movie on your projector 🙈😁
Definitely not. I have no problem appreciating what I have, while still recognizing and celebrating higher end setups.
The Griffyn sounds great, however the native contrast is not good enough at that price. If it's at least half as much as the Eclipse's native contrast....now we're talking.
If you have the budget for the Eclipse, go for it
fun fact, neither OLED panels can get as close as this PJ to BT.2020 color space!
$140k just looked it up without lens😝
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Hi everyone. I’m building a house and it will have a dedicated theater room. I am looking at a 7.2.2 Dolby Atmos system and it will be prewired by the builder. Is there any special wires or things that need to be done to ensure the system is completed correctly? Thank you.
I suggest putting conduit everywhere including for speaker wire.
I would say wire for 7.2.4
Future proofing with conduit for 7.2.4 is a good plan. Also important but often overlooked are room dimensions, sound isolation, and acoustics. If this is a DIY project do plenty of research and planning in advance. ie - Youthman and other youtube videos are great resources when planning your theater room construction.
I read recently that the human I can’t see past 20,000 luminous. If anybody knows anything about this, please feel free to comment to me.
Maybe instead of the high end home theaters maybe you can do a series on a group below it, or maybe some diy projects people can do to improve their own room
My entire channel has a variety of Home Theaters. Here is a recent trip that features DIY theaters that cost $4500 total to over $100,000 - czcams.com/video/iji3ll6sc2U/video.html