Is Borderline Multiple Personality? (BPD and OSDD)
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Some borderlines switch imperceptibly, glacially, and incrementally. They maintain continuity, memory, and a semblance of identity across the various self-states.
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As a BPD person I can say that every single thing that professor said is true.
I just recognize everything that tracks me whole my life
I was diagnosed with BPD when I was 16 during a long term psychiatric hospitalization, I became aware of alters when I was abt 19-20 years old especially after having flashbacks of repressed trauma. I still suffer from most of the symptoms of BPD such as intense emotions, chronic emptiness, risky behavior, self harm, and definitely fear of abandonment. However I have a pretty strong grip on it now unless u are intimate with me such as my fiancé, my family members, and close friends u really won’t be able to tell unless u rly analyzing me or have the disorder yourself or have profound knowledge of the disorder. But a lot of professionals I’ve opened up to have said they think I was misdiagnosed with BPD and actually have DID which went unnoticed bc I wasn’t aware of the alters until I was 19 and even then I didn’t open up abt them until I was 26. But it’s definitely a relief to know the disorders can be co-occurring bc i was so torn for so long over why I have all the BPD symptoms but still have episodes of my personality splitting. It makes a lot of sense now to me.
Ya, people with BPD dont have alters so you may have both
May I ask how you discovered your alters? I think I have D.I.D. I'm in therapy to find out
Now I can see how a professional can accidentally misdiagnose a patient with bpd when they actually have OSDD or vice versa. Loved this lecture! ❤
It's common to confuse both diagnoses, they are really similar and in many cases could be both. It's known that 2/3 parts of people with BPD based in trauma has also DID or OSDD in categories 1a and 1b.
I will not forget what you have said Sam. A coin does have 3 sides, indeed. המוח שלך יפה
I am experiencing coercive control from my primary family as you speak. I did not know that kind of abuse had a name. Thank you Sam.
Coercive control is something specific, its a persistent act of intimate terrorism, and its a crime with up to 5 years imprisonment, so its best to do the research and figure out if it is coercive control you are experiencing, compared with other forms of abuse. There's a difference. If it is coercive control, you should report it.
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I live in Serbia, so taking any action towards imprisonment is impossible inside a country where there is no law, otherwise I would to finally get some piece of mind.
Thank you for your answer.
Thank you Professor Sam I really appreciate your insight and analysis. Sending you my very best of wishes from Pennsylvania USA.
Hey Sam thanks for all the information on borderlines lately. Really appreciate it.
OUTSTANDING!!!!
The assertion that BPD is less manageable than DID holds true in my case, because the DID has always seemingly helped regulate my moods by switching, a reset of sorts. Before the switch it's like a volcano and then suddenly things seem semi manageable for a while. AvPD might actually be the most debilitating to regulate in my case (though there's lots of overlap in how the symptomology of both BPD/AvPD feel in the body), and DID/autopilot/the ability to switch has been an absolute blessing when out in public to manage everyday life.
Found your comment interesting, can you expand on the ( switching) part what is happening when this occurred? Are you experiencing anger, stress issues, feel stuck, things aren’t good enough, shame? And do you know what caused this in you for example parental abuse in some way like never praised, put down, not seen, or physical.. it’s not easy to see or understand what’s happening to the person that’s experiencing this, saw it in a parental relationship and as a kid it was confusing, scary always trying to make something ok for them?
@@gfsdagfasdjones1728 Thanks for answering and I may say I’m extremely sorry for what that evil predator did you you as a kid and the other kids. It’s something he is behind bars hopefully never to get out. I wonder how so many couldn’t see what the piece of garbage was up to or see a change in their kids behavior. I have known some people from a small town near that the same thing happened except he was a guy that was married with kids and she would babysit, hurt so many boys and girls..a monster that knew exactly what he was doing and is still free( local cops said it was to many years) so many deeply hurt people. I have a few more questions I would like to ask. I would like to put them together though out and send it to you soon as possible
Thank you for your well researched and presented viewpoint on the topic. Very insightful and it's great to see how the borders of our understanding are continuingly expanding.
Thank you very much Professor Sam Vaknin 🌹🌹
Thank you so much for this lecture professor Vaknin
I don’t know about extreme situation.
What about instantly mental shift and behavior reaction to an outside stimulus and triggers.
Like a chameleon skin changing phenomena.
Thank you so much, Sir!
Thank You Professor Vaknin 💜 ~ Peace ~&~ Blessingz from Boston Massachusetts
Fascinating
Gracias profesor.
Thankyou, it's scary!
What about differences in bpd and Partial DID (new in icd 11)? Can you make video about it?
They seem very similar to each other (no amnesia, one "host")
Search the comorbidities playlist.
P-DID in the ICD-10 is analogous to OSDD-1 in the DSM-V (the subtypes a or b are leftovers from the DSM-IV).
It's interesting how both manuals seem to almost compete with each other. Makes it all the more difficult to receive accurate diagnosis and therapy.
*ICD-11
Typing error.
@@samvakninI’m looking for something on p-DID too and can’t find anything in that playlist
Yes but I also have no memories which helps to reinforce the shift with what little memories I do have that we share,and the reason I don’t have memories is caused they are either have been altered to hid the truth or blocked from me do to trauma
Olá professor 🌟 Seus ensinamentos são preciosos pra mim. Obrigada.
I love the laugh Professor :)
Yesssss, i have multiple sides of ny personality, i view them all as myself but they are very different from each other. and i dont feel different i just seem different. If that makes sense. when I switch, even my health issues (eyesight, hypoglycemia, etc) and my memories will change (not alter the memories i have, but like i will entirely lose certain nemories obe dat and it will be back the next: names, lyrics, exes, etc)
I think it might be reasonable to say OSDD (type 1) (and partial DID under the ICD-11) are almost DID, and that DPDR, PTSD, PBD, and complex PTSD are almost OSDD and partial DID, but the divisions are greater as between the complex dissociative disorders (DID, partial DID, and OSDD) and the others on the one hand compared to the difference among the complex dissociative disorders). Subjective sense of self, subjective experience of volition, and often memory are quite separate in the complex dissociative disorders as compared to BPD for example (“I’m not sure why I did that but I know I did it as opposed to an alter because I experienced it” vs. “I don’t remember doing it or it felt like it was this alter it someone Jess doing it, or I only remember it as an observer, but with no sense of volition or memory of the emotions that went with it.”
Thank you so much Dear Professor
i don't have anything crazy but i definitely understand this as i have experience with doing it myself. its hard to hide it.
Can u please do one on the new phenomenon "gang stalking,"
Then how do you keep living? Is there anything that makes you fulfilled? What on earth even keeps you going? Is it something outside of earth? 😂Asking for myself, I'm borderline, osdd, ied, cptsd, and possibly narcissistic as well, although not diagnosed with npd.
Existential crisis over here. Feels like I'm gettin em atleast once a week. Idk wtf to do.
Can borderlines attach like normal people?
No.
@@samvaknin Four months after the diagnosis I have borderline, narcissistic, antisocial, paranoid, and schizoid personality disorder, all of them
@@samvaknin Short and to the point, thank you sir.
I attach like a sticker. Super glue to begin with but definitely falls of the first sign of sh it xD
Would you be interested in doing a longer video on the male histrionic? I know you've accurately noted he's more antisocial and sexual than his female counterpart, but I think HPD as well as NPD are the ruling mental diseases of our age and is worth exploring despite being neglected by researchers, and I have no evidence for this but I suspect the male histrionic is more common on social media due to his greater grandiosity. Also, does the histrionic require a greater quantity of supply than a narcissist because their false self mechanism is "weaker" (and thus less self-sustaining), because it certainly appears so? Would it be accurate to say that whereas a narcissist's false self is a more infantile ideal ego, the histrionics false self is closer to an ego ideal (but with no actual core ego functions)?
Fascinating (for those with an interest in Cults) summarisation at 15:01. Thanks Prof yet again!
My GF has BPD and I recognise all of here shema modes. However I recognise everything in this video aswell.
How do you differentiate Switching/OSDD co-morbidity from schema modes in BPD?
Is there a difference and if so, what would the definition of a schema mode/child mode be vs the definition of an alter/different selfstate?
These are just different languages which describe the same phenomena.
Is "out of sight out of mind" ABSOLUTE for a bpd?
No, it's definitely not absolute for us.
It also happens in ADHD.
I'm curious about profound giftedness, are you interested in making more videos based on your experiences?
What if you are aware of a switching ? And remember everything ? Than what it makes you ?
A borderline. Watch my video on OSDD.
@@samvaknin thank you , ill do it now...
@samvaknin can you add link here?
One day up, one day down. Self states are so seriously inconsistent, add in the ending of a relationship with a covert malignant narcissist is enough to make you feel like there's nothing left in life.
Is it possible for borderlines to return to some kind of baseline self state after a switch? Or do they assume the new identity permanently?
as someone with borderline, switching often goes back and forth, or often depends on outside factors. The new identity is not permanent. You could go back to the one that was before the switch, or you could end up in another one entirely. it all depends. it is not stable.
Maybe I missed it, but I would like to hear a discussion on thee effects of a bpd person an their romantic partner. Long term or even after break-up. You touch on it threw out your discussions, but not ever in length. Thanks Professor
You missed it. More than once.
Are some BPD's aware that they switch even subtlety? Do all BPD's suffer from abandonment, shame and humiliation?
Yes and yes.
Can period cause change in identity?
No.
Can a very childlike personality be a substate? Who talks like a baby, love stuffed animals and chubby things? Then a very productive and zero tolerance for laziness and unfairness be another one? I feel I have both and I need to hide myself when the baby expresses, and then hide my feelings of disgust for laziness, naive or driveless people when I am with people with those traits and fall in love with intelligent and ambitious people?
Both are self-states. Watch the video about IPAM.
@@samvaknin I never expected you replying to me. Thank you so much
Sounds like a blockbaster
@@TheSapphireLeo Liquid Metal Borderline souds like a movie
Not the most flattering thumnail😅scared me clicking on this in the dark lol