The European State Where Women Are Outlawed
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High atop a mountain, perched over the sea, nestled within the walls of secluded monasteries, lies a sanctuary of tranquillity where the only sound is the gentle whispers of the wind, soft prayers, and the melody of peaceful contemplation.
And you’re never gonna get in
This place is the Holy Mountain, Mount Athos, a self-governing state within Greece, this 10km border and fence separates this monastic state from the rest of the world.
It’s the spiritual centre of Eastern Orthodox Christianity, they’re the ones with the black robes, different crosses, and fancy icons. Athos is like an Orthodox Vatican and Tibet rolled into one.
Women have been banned from Mount Athos for a 1000 years. Athos is the only state in the world with an all male population.
So what is Mount Athos, what is life like there, and are Molotov Cocktails an ecumenical matter? Well, let’s find out!
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@@muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 Thank you, good morning to you too 😁
@@CogitoEdu omg thanks for the heart
"The female ban is to preserve celibacy."
"Even female animals were banned."
Do... do they think monks will fuck animals?
Hey man, I would like to make a request: make a video about the religion of Spiritism, which comes from the Spiritist Doctrine of Allan Kardec. I'm sure it will be really cool! In addition, I have to say that I simply love your content and I think the didactic and humorous way in which you pass on information is amazing! Congratulations! ✌🏽❤️
when you mention "women are outlawed" in the title, it almost in way shows a certain level of disrespect to the monks. You need to understand that these are holy men and in order to get to a high level of spirituality, in the beginning stages they must learn to overcome temptations faced by the common man, from which lustful desires of being around women can invoke such feelings. Since the monks themselves are just human and not perfect, they must go through such rigorous amounts of discipline as they can't have any distractions leading them from their ultimate goal of getting closer to GOD. They don't do this out of hatred for women. They do it to get closer to the divine.
One woman is allowed on Mt Athos. Their Queen Mother. She's appeared to the monks over the centuries and always attends Liturgy.
Most Holy Theotokos, save us!
and tsar Dushan wife during black dead.
I just visited the Holy Mountain. It truly is a relic from the past. Amazing video, I'd like to pinpoint that there are also monasteries with non greek monks. For example, the Serbian, the Romanian and the Russian. ☦️🇬🇷🇷🇸🇷🇴🇷🇺
And Bulgarian.
Both correct and technically false at the same time. You see while it truly stands that there are monasteries that were originally patroned and are mainly maned by non Greeks ( Russian panteleimonos, Serbian Hilandar, Bulgarian zografou, Romanian Saint Paul's and Georgian Ibiron( Iberian)), everyone once admitted as a monk in Mount Athos receives the Greek citizenship. So technically they're (also) Greeks
@@JimboPresi22 Papers cannot change your origin, so technically they are not Greeks.
@@JimboPresi22 Yeah, no. Serbian, Russian, Bulgarian, Greek... Are actual ethnicities not citizenships and owning a different passport doesn't change that. The issue is that "the west" has abandoned the concept of ethnicities and sees itself just as a collection of random individuals who have the same passports.
@@petarjovanovic1481 who told you that ?
Just few inaccuraties, when my father and I went to Mount Athos couple years ago to visit serbian monastery Hilandar (one of the biggest and oldest one there) no we didn't needed to apply for that special visa months in advance, we got it right on the spot, the same very day in fact, only if you want to visit on great holidays like Christmas and Easter you need to apply in advance because of number of pilgrims that would flock to Holly Mountain. Nobody ask us if we are ortodox christians so technically we could be buddists (my father is not even baptised btw, grow up in communist Yugoslavia/Serbia). Not sure for numbers of people allowed but rules and regulations do differ from monastery to monastery. Only strict prerequisites is that you are a man, that you dress "modesty" - no earrings, piercings and short shorts. Oh and you can be there more than three days no problem, but you must ask monks for blessing, permission that is. There is a van ride from coast to monastery. For the actual staying there, yes as you say here you will be awaken in 3 or like in Hilandar in 4 o'clock in the morning and you would be expected to come to liturgy (holly mass in ortodoxy). You are not allowed to take photos of monks (only if they give you explicit permission). It is quite calm there as I remember. And yes you are definitely right when you say that Athos is time capsule in like everything! Great video man! 👍
Thank you for adding more context and your personal experience. It was really interesting
That's really interesting. Just like you, my dad and I visited Mount Athos last month. He was told by his cousin, who had been there before, that he needed to apply for the special visa, which we got the morning we took the boat to our first monastery. The interesting thing was that No One even asked to look at it (we didn't go on Christmas or Easter), so that might explain our confusion. Although, we did have to contact the monasteries months in advance so they would let us stay there, which we learned was very inefficient. (I understand why. The monks are very busy.)
I asked a monk on Athos about the female animal thing, he laughed and said that's absurd. It's simply not true. At least not for every monastery.
At 5:05, the text on the skull reads
"What I am you will be too. What you are I was too"
Makes sense honestly, all skulls belonged to a living person and thats where we're all headed.
One of the reasons that the monks wanted to place Mount Athos under Hitler's protection during WWII was not only to escape German reprisals, but a Bulgarian invasion as well, since the Bulgarians took most of Greek Macedonia at that time, and wanted to take Mount Athos as well.
Why? Don't they have a presence there too?
@@rafanadir6958Not the monks, but the Bulgarian army who had a policy of de-Hellenization and Bulgarification in the lands they had taken (Macedonia and Thrace) back then.
@@angelb.823 Really? What did they do?
@TheOnlyWayNow777 Same they did with most of Macedonia in the Greek and Yugoslav parts during the Macedonian question, the Balkan Wars, and the World Wars. They will pursue a policy of Bulgarification in the newly acquired lands and end the Hellenic language that was present throughout millennia. Just because a country is Orthodox doesn't mean it's a trustworthy ally in the long run. The Russians for example had a poilicy of Russification throughout most of their history, especially in the Caucasus (Circassia), the Baltics (Finland), and the Balkans (Moldova). They still do in the current Russo-Ukraine war, taking children from occupied territories and indoctrinating them that they are part of the Russian people, and not Ukrainian.
why would germans take reprisals against monks?? It was a state policy to don't mess with confessions unless they took a partisan stand.
And there are women’s convents where men are not allowed. A good thing that in our world there are places tourists are not allowed to go.
the problem isn’t rlly “no women allowed”, it’s that female taxpayers have money going to a location where they literally are not allowed, and could go to jail if they attempt. men are not jailed for entering those convents.
@@rni4069 Well Athiests will always complain about their tax money. They get their reword here on earth and nothing more.
@@vanfja they have a right to complain. for example, i am Muslim, so why should my money go towards churches? the public should not have to pay for places and utilities that they cannot use or are not welcomed. simple.
@@rni4069if the women had a problem with it they can vote that out of law
@@rni4069 Mount Athos is of great religious and cultural importance to Greece and it's people. I would expect a muslim not to understand, as they have not for several centuries.
Im not Orthodox, I live on the Pacific Coast of the US. If the EU tries to force the Monastery to let woman in, I will take up the crusade to defend the mountain.
Woman have and should have spaces reserved just for them, and men should have the same.
Im not going to try an force myself into a nunnery.
Based 😎
You're not gonna do anything lol you're congratulating yourself for nothing.
I think the Ban on women in Mount Athos is reasonable.They are monks , and they need to be celibate , and for people who have never seen the opposite gender in 20 plus years , women can be distracting..😅
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mad that we're "accusing monks of praying for hitler" as if praying for everyone regardless of who they are isn't fundamental to Christianity
Precisely, St. Paul persecuted Christians violently, but even he was saved. All who truly repent are saved.
*Unless theyre muslim, then you just shout Deus Vult over that dumb hippie preaching kindness and compassion
Amen!
It was said that emperor Trajan was saved by prayer
its a tiny highly religious enclave with immense historical value and their peculiarities should be protected at all costs, just like the amish
I like the fact that even after all the politics and centuries they Still kept their faith and culture 👍👍
NO WESTERN LIBERALS ZONE.
@@potato470 nigger*
it's a uselessly backwards place
@@degamispoudegamis it's extraordinarily important
Min 5:05 - on the skull was written in Romanian - What I am, you will be - What you are, I was myself
Wow! There is also a greek proverb that says something like that. I don't know if I can translate it correctly. It says: "I have lived there where you are... but sometime, you will also come where I am now"
As a Greek woman, I can totally understand the mentality. It's just a serious spiritual matter. Monks have to fight their physical sexual excitement. They have to pray to God and stay in an inner peace of mind. There are some monks that they can not live their whole life in this way, so the leave Mount Athos. But they are a few. Most of them want to obey all spiritual rules. There is a legend about the seven invisible ascetics, that they can appear when there is a spiritual reason. Some say they have seen such men in Mount Athos. Incredible.
been there in 2009 - quite a surreal experience.
I gotta say it was the quietest place I've ever been to.
Yeah, cause there were no women/j
@@donovanlocust1106 🤣
@@donovanlocust1106 Sounds good to me.
@@donovanlocust1106 ouf
@@donovanlocust1106 smartest misoginyst
I was NOT expecting this. Btw, yes, Mount Athos is a really interesting place, I wish to visit it someday.
@@cristhianramirez6939 I wonder how they will ever know if I don't tell them.
@@itacom2199 what do you think of religion as a communist?
@@conk6379 I'm not opposed to religion. I'm don't consider myself as an atheist. I think religion is an important part of culture.
But I don't like when religious authorities mingle with politics.
@@itacom2199 I mean communist and atheist authorities have done more harm politically and socially in the last 250 or so years than Judeo-Christian religious authorities have done in the last 4000+
@@itacom2199 Also the Judeo-Christian paradigm literally defines the west, all of our modern values and ethics come from it, so taking that out of politics is like removing a cars frame and going for a ride, a wreck waiting to happen.
So while Karyes is the main administrative center, the place that people get to by boat is the port of Dafni. In regard to instances of women going to Mount Athos: In May 2008, five Moldovans illegally entered Greece by way of Turkey, ending up in the monastic community. Four of these migrants were women. The monks forgave them for trespassing and informed them that the area was forbidden to females. But earlier that year in January, there was a protest there by a thousand Greek women. They went there because five monasteries claimed 8,100 hectares (20,000 acres) of land that wasn't within Mount Athos on the rest of the Chalkidiki Peninsula.
Thank you for this information Supreme Leader.
@@AAZ-yu5ss eheheh
Very interesting video, and I'm a Greek myself 😁
First time as well that I see a video on mount Athos and someone mentions that a different time is being used, plus all of the other things. Great research Cogito.
I LOVE Cogito videos. Always SO much effort put into them and done so well. Keep up the fantastic work!
Glad you like them!
Not enough work on thid one. Showed zero knowledge kn the monasteries since the interpretation of the facts show no background on ut
Great video! Mount Athos is a fascinating place. I also plan to make a video about it at some point since as you said, there are quite some political peculiarities that come with it. A few things I’d like to add here:
0:59 The comparison to the Vatican is made often, but I don’t think it's very fitting. The Vatican is the actual center of Catholicism due to it being the home of the Holy See. But Orthodoxy doesn’t have a single center but multiple, as there are a multitude of Orthodox churches - each with their own seat - and none of those are on Athos. Athos is definitely a special and holy place for orthodox christians, but it doesn’t have the same function as the Vatican does in Catholicism. There are many other things which make the Vatican radically different, but enough on that :’ )
5:15 That's not entirely true, because a number of monasteries on Athos are not part of the Greek-Orthodox Church or Church of Constantinople, but of other Orthodox churches (there is e.g. a Bulgarian-Orthodox monastery, Serbian-Orthodox one, a Romanian-Orthodox one, etc.). And those monasteries also answer to their respective Patriarch. Nominally, all Patriarchs of the Orthodox Church are equals - however, the Patriarch of Constantinople has a special symbolic and spiritual role.
11:17 Since 1980, there is an official, joint theological commission for dialogue, and since then dialogs have been quite frequent - although communion is still far away.
The idea to make a video about that is cool
I am (Greek) orthodox. I was born and raised in Thessaloniki, the second biggest city in Greece which is located on the north of the county, relatively near to Mount Athos. My family has strong ties with Mount Athos. Your second point is not completely right. It’s true that in Orthodox Christianity we have a synodical form of church governance (autocephaly), it’s also true that Constantinople holds a special place of honor within Orthodoxy and serves as the seat for the Ecumenical Patriarch, who enjoys the status of primus inter pares (first among equals) among the world's Eastern Orthodox prelates, however Mount Athos falls under the jurisdiction of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and New Rome. So, the monasteries of Mount Athos answer exclusively to the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople. Imagine, that the autocephalous Orthodox Church of Greece doesn’t have jurisdiction over Mount Athos, and Mount Athos is de jure part of Greece. The Greek state has specific political and administrative powers over Mount Athos - I don’t want to enlarge upon the legal details because they are complicated namely EU treaties, Greek Constitution etc -as it is an integral part of the Greek territory and the “Mother Church” title of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople spiritually and ecclesiastically guides and governs the autonomous monastic state.
@@stylianospallas490 Thanks for the input! You are definitely right, officially the monasteries on Athos answer only to Constantinople. However, in practice, the non-Greek monasteries also answer to their respective head of church - in some cases probably more so than to the ecumenical patriarch. The most striking example is the Russian-Orthodox monastery St. Panteleimon, which of course has the additional problem that there is an ongoing schism between the Russian-Orthodox church and the church of Constantinople. As you say, Orthodox Church politics are quite complicated and messy, and often what's officially the case looks very different in practice.
The Esfigmenou monastery has also formed a kind of "cult" in the rest of Orthodoxy in Greece. They call themselves G.O.Ch. (TRUE Orthodox Christians), don't accept communion from other Orthodox churches and they have their own priests annointed only from Esfigmenou. Oh, and they also use the Julian calendar. They are generally called Palaioimerologites (literally: old calendar). My mom grew up in such a family. My grandpa is still pretty intense.
Nice, I always love radicals.
Δεν νομίζω ότι είναι Γ.Ο.Χ
@Ūnsre Scyldas so true
@Ελένη Φανιουδάκη based grandpa
I pray that their struggle bears fruit.
Awesome video mate, your video making skills are constantly improving 👍
Thanks 👍
Guys can't have Men's Clubs anymore without some women trying to ruin it.
Exactly.
awesome concept !
Ok, the little dance the Orthodox priest did when you said "black robes" was kinda adorable
The animations behind you were such a great addition. Awesome vid!
Glad you enjoyed it!
wow what a really unique place, great video!
It’s not misogynistic. I’m a woman and an Orthodox and we must preserve the tradition.
Exactly. Don't force your own modern views on things upon the monks. Almost seemed like Cogito looked down on them. Not cool.
sure as long as it's your religion "It's not misogynistic"
@@terminator-from-another-planet well it's not lol what's misogynistic about it?
@@terminator-from-another-planet It's our religion and the Truth.
It's not misogynistic because hatred isn't the reason why women aren't allowed on the island.
You don't have the ability to judge the hearts of these monks. But I know they have a Queen who they honor and love.
Yeah, the only people who live there are those completely dedicated to spiritual development. It’s not like it’s just a normal country that outlaws women. I see it more as how in most monastic traditions, men and women are in separate monasteries.
They could just ban everyone from coming unless you are a monk but they decided to allow some people, you just have to follow their rules. One of which is only men are allowed.
I really don’t see how this affects almost anyone. I would assume the women who would want to come are devote Orthodox, which would in turn mean they probably respect the tradition of the monks.
Great video loved watching it
Athos is a historic pearl among secular world. Just like Tibet,Vatican,Mecca and Medina cities and Jerusalem.
Not just like. It is different and unique. The closest would probably be Tibet.
I'm so happy to see a cogito vid about anything orthodoxy
Yes although this video was a failure the intepretations where showing zero knowledge or background on orthodoxy or monasticism
I love learning about places that I had no idea existed before. Great stuff as always
Great video!
I'm always surprised when you're not as round as your avatar.
LMAO
Mount athos isn't the vatican of orthodoxy. The closest to the vatican of orthodoxy is probably constantinople
He refeares to the concept of a small theocratic state , and Mt.Athos is a small theocratic state .
It's self governing, but not a recognized state. That's basically the textbook definition of an autonomous region, not a state. A bit of a clickbaity title, guys.
Bro why do you want go to a monastery place, its just to distract them its not misogynistic. If i say no women to my house and you say i want in you are trespassing. Why do you want to go there? Its a holy place of prayer not a club
It's misogynistic. Jesus said that is you're a man and a woman "tempts" you just from her beauty, gouge out your eyes. They shouldn't be barred from somewhere their taxes pay to uphold just because someone is "tempted" or "distracted" by her existence.
@Moral Kombat bro, it's a place for monks to pray and not get distracted. What do they even want there? Why do you want to see the monks so badly? It amazes me honestly why atheists want to go there so bad even though they don't believe in God. Atheists are the most hypocritical mass of people ever created in existence. There are a ton of other monasteries in greece go there
@@DeadPool---- women are banned from the entire peninsula, not just the monasteries. No orthodox men's monastery allows women to enter but threatening women with imprisonment for entering a part of our country just because it's supposedly devoted to Virgin Mary makes no sense. Also, we may not be allowed to enter the peninsula but we sure do cover the Monks' lifestyle with our tax money which is a horrible double standard.
@Lia TM OK so let me get this str8, you are not orthodox, you are not even Christian. If you were you'd know why you shouldn't go there, I don't even need to give you a reason, they just don't wanna see women it's their preference. Do you rush men bathrooms too saying if you can't go it's misogyny? And secondly if you are not Christian especially orthodox, why do you want to go there even? You haven't even gone to a Sunday service and you complain about not being in a monastery with the most hard-core life style like waking 4 in the morning to go to service and then work and pray and repeat? Why do you want to go to the whole world spiritual center if you don't even believe dogmatically correct. It's not an exhibition ma'am nor a place for holidays. And they pay taxes too don't give me that Karen crap like you do with police officers
@@moralkombat66 What's with women wanting to invade men's spaces?
I love those age of empire sounds, thank you!!
Truly a bastion of the past. Great video!
It is not bastion of the past. It is present. And generally what monks would say there is no time , past present future.
@@innosanto If it didn't exist in the present it wouldn't be much of a bastion, would it?! 😉
I have read that during WWII, Mt. Athos sheltered Jewish women and children and saved their lives. No one suspected.
I'm Jewish and heard that as well. May G-d bless those Christian monks 🇬🇷💙
Nice!! Been waiting on a new vid for like 2-3 months or more thats what it feels like anyhow....
I want to live there so badly.
I don't hate women, I wish to see what brotherhood really looks like.
Psalm 133:1
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
Jeffrey epstein much?
@@selrox879 Not wanting to be with women is Jeffrey Epstein now?
@@selrox879Epstein loved girls so he wouldn’t be thrilled to go and live in peace away from sexual desires and be one with god
It doesn't have to be Athos. There are many orthodox monasteries, even in USA
@@selrox879 what the hell is up with you guys names? is this a bot?
Very based!
"I'm 12 years old."
@@donovanlocust1106 It's a joke mate, I'm not a misogynist
@@Testimony_Of_JTF good
@@cristhianramirez6939 no
@@donovanlocust1106 Why are folks so turned up for men only spaces?
Men don't go lecturing women to include men in women only spaces.
small correction, constantinople fell in 1453 not 1543
A sad time either way
Happiest place on Earth.
Your modern opinions are less important than ancient Orthodox truth. “Misogyny” doesn’t matter to us
literal facts
literal facts
Its not that we dont care about misogyny. There is no misogyny to begin with. Everything has its place and time and if anything women have the highest place thnx to Theotokos. Those claims are a joke to say the least.
Keep your SECULAR LOGIC out of our Holy place!!!!!!
"What if a woman identifies as a man? These monks are so bigoted 🤪🤪"
What a clown world we live in
why do bigots always make up scenarios to be mad about??
It is a woman
Please do a video on why Cogito videos are so good.
As an Orthodox Jew I enjoyed learning about this. May G-d bless the monks on Mt Athos.
The fact that people criticize the ban on women at all shows how little respect these people have for old cultures and traditions. The ban is perfectly fine and hopefully it stays in place for all eternity. Leave these monks their religious life and their religious traditions alone! It's such a small community worth protecting.
Technically women lived on the mountain before since there are burials of women from medieval times there. Most likely labourers or the wives of labourers. So the more traditional thing would be to revert to that state of affairs rather than having Greece enforce a law and jail sentence. You also have the problem of the monks engaging with other non-monkish activities such as loans, and the buying and selling of property in Greece to build investment portfolios, along with inviting Vladimir Putin and other heads of state to the Mountain regularly. Why do you think it is that all these non-religious activities are considered ok but the idea of a woman simply setting foot on the peninsula is a crime?
Not all old cultures and traditions should be respected, have you learned history at all?
@@cristhianramirez6939 Yeah, but you are retarded.
@@professorslothingtons7471 I agree, not all...when they affect how the civil population is evolving. They literally are monks in isolation...they don't have a voice in the state, they have their own place with their own rules...as they always had. So, it's a little problematic to put such a weight on an enclosed community to open up just because we the outsiders feel that's the rules they have for themselves are not ok for us...
@@CogitoEdu buddy, if they let women inside, the place would implode in one week 😂😂😂, stop being a Karen and pass judgment on them
I think I agree with the monks on women being band from there. They have been there living like that and taking care of themselves for a thousand year, I think they should have a right to choose who can come and who can't, it's their way of living their religion.
Well technically women have lived on Athos, usually as labourers or the wives of labourers. The ban has really only hardened to a total ban in the last 1-2 centuries.
I have a suspicion Mr. Pink, that if the place banned all men and was just for women, your response would be very different.
Celibacy is no where in the Bible, they are innovating a new religion different from God's religion. for that they will find their share of the Fire.
@@unsrescyldas9745 Celibacy: 1 Corinthians 7:25 Now concerning the unmarried,[c] I have no command of the Lord, but I give my opinion as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy. 26 I think that in view of the present[d] distress it is well for a person to remain as he is. 27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage. 28 But if you marry, you do not sin, and if a girl[e] marries she does not sin. Yet those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that. 29 I mean, brethren, the appointed time has grown very short; from now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, 30 and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, 31 and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the form of this world is passing away.
Tradition 2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.
@@unsrescyldas9745 Matthew 19:10 "His disciples say unto him: If the case of a man with his wife be so, it is not expedient to marry." What does this mean then?
You should go and update us about your experience
Thank you for this one. Love Athos
Love the Father Ted (Irish TV show) references throughout this video!
Misogyny means a hatred or distrust of women. If you think the reason for the ban on Mt Athos is misogyny (which you do, as you said so), I'd encourage you to look a little closer at that. The Orthodox Church, which proclaims the Virgin Mary more honorable than the Cherubim and more glorious than the Seraphim, upholds a standard of equality of women and men not seen anywhere else in the world.
I bet this place is runs like a well oiled machine
Feminists will probably invade mount athos if they know it existed
Honestly I'm sure the Monks would win lmao
I don't see their ban on women as a mysoginyst thing since their goal is to stay away from distractions and focus on God and spiritual growth. It's more of a Chad move for them to take precautions about something that could bring them problems or distractions in their spiritual path.( like false accusations or actions that none of the parties desire)
There are also women covanants who don't allow men in there's nothing mysoginystic about it
@@ghengiskhan9308 men don’t go to jail for entering them tho, that’s the difference.
@@rni4069 that's something to do with greek law. not every male monetary out there had a law where you'll go to prison Mount athos is an exception in this. This law was put in place directly because women did not respect the rule.
@@rni4069 I mean they do.
@@ghengiskhan9308 He is misinformed, if you were to go to a female-only monastery without permission you could easily get arrested in Greece. And they would only let a man in if there was a reason, like a repairman or a doctor or something.
Hi Cogito, one important detail. Back in the WWII the monks of Mount Athos didn't ask for Germans to be under their protection just because...After Greece's victory over the Italian invasion, Germany together with Italy and Bulgaria orchestrated a combined attack. They all invaded Greece and separate the country into administrative zones. Bulgaria took parts of the north, parts that wanted to have since the Balkans wars. Bulgarians in Greece wanted to annex parts of Greece...so, in those areas many atrocities happened and the local population was forced to leave...along that line, bulgarians attacked Greek Orthodox churches and monasteries, stripped them from their relics and replaced them with Bulgarian priests.
So Athos, since it was known to be the most desirable Monastic community of all Orthodoxs and many wanted to capture before (bulgarians, Russians etc) had a very well understanding of the situation...being under Germans it will not just provide them with some safety but actually to protect the history of all this place to keep standing without facing a nationalistic neighbor who would take their relics and replace them with bulgarians.
It is quite important fact about the ongoing "fight" these people give, about retaining their old legacy but also ethnography as group since the early medieval times...I was very sad not hear about their understanding reasons, it sounded more like they acted opportunistic which is exactly what they didn't
Its not a state, it even says in this video that its a self governed part of the Greek state.
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I dont want to be that guy, but Constantinople fell in 1453, not 1543.
Yeah that's my bad, must have read it from the script wrong and then just autopilot put the date the same as the audio in the little date animation. It's correct in the subtitles and script 😅
@@CogitoEdu no worries, just wanted to point that out so people don't get misinformed. Btw love your videos, keep up the good work!
Let people practice their faith. If they own the land and say that x and y can't enter then that's their right.
they take EU money, then should follow EU free entry rules. If they want to have their way, then don't take public money.
@@freshgasflow They shouldn't be forced to undo 1,000 years of tradition because Europe rejects God
I don’t think many women would ever want to go there in the first place.
I don't think most people would have even known about this place existing. Most people who go to Greece go there for the islands or historical places not for religious sites of other religions.
You would be surprised by how many women tried to sneak up or enter that place, so much that the Greek authorities started to put signs forbidden women to approach the place and even create more punishable laws to discourage such attempts in case someone tries to illegally enter
Is not a touristic destination...is about religious contemplation and it has its own rules.
So, that's how this place works for thousand of years. Men in isolation
Kinda wonder why woman can do this? Like building their own community with woman only
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Been there and still they need man in daily basic routine not independent like this guy in the video
i have like watched your videos constentaly and a bit breaks for 2 minutes for like 3-4 hours🙂
Ha amazing! Hope you enjoyed it.
The reason why The Holy Virgin Mary was the only woman who's allowed to step foot on Mt. Athos was because, according to Orthodox Christian tradition, The Holy Virgin was there when she was on the way to visit Lazarus (the guy Jesus ressurected from death) in Greece. She was with John the Apostle in some traditions, because he was her caretaker as she got so much older by then. The Holy Virgin went from Jerusalem to Greece by boat, but the boat was stranded on the island where the mountain is. She saw the mountain & loved the vibe or something, so she prayed to God that the mountain could be a holy place on earth. God granted it & the natives converted to Christianity not long after. As monks came in, they dedicated the mountain for The Holy Virgin Mary because of this.
thanks, I wondered, now I wonder no more.
Not a big deal, but in case you hadn't noticed, the audio-video sync is off during your 'talking head' scenes.
Absolutely fascinating...
Never heard this before
this is a good video. i like this video. cogito is good to watch.
I'm actually curious what tactics/weapons are they using or what they used for the conflict against each other
I love your videos, please do a series on Indian Independence movement
Interesting.
There has been an increase in women only spaces in the world that don't allow men. But if men do it, it is considered misogynistic?
I would love a video about the history of embroidery
I hear those AOE 2 noises, don't think you could sneak those in 😉
mysoginistic? hate? hate is a sin, so that means being mysogenistic is a sin so there is no mysogenism in Mount Athos.
Mount Athos monks have been investigated for property fraud and crimes. By your logic since theft and lying are sins then the monks on Athos cannot commit crimes since they are sins. Does it not seem more likely that the monks on Athos are men and are capable of crimes and sin? The entire point of Athos is that these men believe they are likely to in and so go live on a mountain to reduce exposure, even they themselves believe themselves to be easy sinners.
They banned women due to sin and lust. Some are the reasons.
So this is what villagers do when Steve isn't around...
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Love the father Ted reference
Mount Athos is dedicated to the Blessed Virgin Mary, our mother. A place of prayer, for all the world and spiritual struggle for over 1000 years. As a woman I respect that tradition...and if it was any other religion I expect you would too.
No way I was about to buy nord
Thanks for the Discount
Nord VPN must work, but I never got it to work.
Hi cogito love the video! I've seen in the comments that you have said that there used to be women on the mountain until more recently when restrictions increased. Any ideas why that might be?
No idea why it might be. Even in the 18th century fishermen are reported to have broughts their wives with them when stopping at Athos. It could be that in the last 1-2 centuries Athos has come to rely less of trade and craft and more on donations and tourism and so can harden some rules or may even be hardening their rules as the rule becomes more famous and becomes kind of a circular reasoning type thing. The monks are quite well known for having very reactionary views in response to change. But that's just a quick analysis.
@Cogito why no problem with the ban of non Muslims from Mecca? Or the ban of males from female monasteries?
I don't think that freedom of association should be eviscerated, especially for the group who then goes and runs exclusive use gyms and other places for their sex
Because there is no contradiction with the ban of Muslims from Mecca. Mecca is owned by Muslims, built by Muslims, and only really attracts Muslims. The is no law in Saudi Arabia that all humans are equal and that men and women are entitled to the same rights. Unlike in Greece and the EU which do in fact have laws against discrimination based on gender which means that Athos is breaking those laws. I have no problem with Athos doing that, I believe autonomous regions can do whatever they want, but Athos wants to be autonomous and ALSO claim EU tax payer money to support itself. That's where most people find a problem. There is also the issue of the logic behind the ban. if the monks said the mountain belongs to Mary and therefore no other women are allowed and just left it there it would draw less criticism. But they constantly state that women are inherently sinful and sexual temptresses which is misogynistic.
There are no female monasteries that ban males. In Christian monasteries for women male priests still frequently visit to perform mass. There is no prison sentence for entering female monasteries.
Female gyms exist because women have been harassed at mixed gyms and want to go somewhere where they don't have to worry about that. If the monks were constantly being groped and harassed by women and then banned them I wouldn't have a problem with that either.
There is nothing wrong with single sex spaces. But you can make them wrong by creating and maintaining them on sexist logic.
And then there are places where no one regardless of gender is allowed to visit...unless you're a shorebird. This is the case with North Brother Island off the coast of the Bronx. It was home to Riverside Hospital that housed patients with quarantinable diseases like tuberculosis. The place is haunted because of Mary Mallon, nicknamed Typhoid Mary who lived and died there. All the buildings on the island are extremely dilapidated. After this, different kinds of shorebirds started thriving there. Because of these two reasons, they don't allow visitors between March and September due to shorebird breeding season, and even during the time you technically can, they still won't let you unless you have "compelling academic and scientific purposes that are a benefit to NYC Parks".
It gets stranger too! Nearby is another haunted island called Hart Island. Basically, MANY people are buried there (more than one million; from Civil War to the pandemic) and it also had dilapidated buildings that the city ordered to demolish in 2021. They restrict access to this island to the public unless you're visiting a loved one buried there (which they offer visits twice a month) or you're the media.
If I am convicted of being female (actually guilty) and I am sentenced, where would I serve my sentence?
I believe it would be in Greece
Exile is a sentence, perhaps one more states should use.
Mount Athos is a UNESCO heritage site
Hello from Greece. One correction please on a very important matter: The patriarch of Istanbul is NOT the "Pope of Orthodoxy" not even on spiritual matters. That's a huge misunderstanding. Thanks!
I'm not even sure if you are from Greece. The title of the Patriarch is Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople...no one in Greece says Istanbul even when about the city alone. "Patriarch of Istanbul"?????? Lol there's no even such a thing
The Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople is the spiritual leader of all Orthodoxs and is the "first among equals" since the days of the Byzantine Empire and recognized as such by all Orthodoxs. Only a Turk would have call the Ecumenical Patriarch just as a patriarch and of Istanbul 😂🤣😂
Please say something in Greek...lol
@@vanmars5718 I gave you my answer in greek although your message was not very polite. In english all people know this city as Istanbul, and many Greeks abroad call it like that. Why do you try to correct me on my statement? The "Pope of Orthodoxy" is not accepted by any orthodox for any Patriarch. Not even on spiritual issues as every orthodox knows (according to Orthodoxy) even the Patriarch could be wrong and a simple member of the Church who is not even priest could be right.
@@kravatarnihailes6489 Hear to me more carefully. The title is "Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople"...not because I'm sayin it...That's his title! There's no such a thing as Patriarch of Istanbul...no matter how the city is called is the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople. You should check the encyclopedia.
And indeed he is the spiritual leader of all Orthodoxs and he still has some privileges among all other patriarchs in various matters.
So, your comment in reality is highly distorting and false.
Δεν ξέρω τι ακριβώς νομίζεις και πόσο στην κοσμάρα σου ζεις...άκου εκεί Πατριάρχης Ιστανμπούλ. Στείλε μου στα ελληνικά παρακαλώ
@@vanmars5718 You can think about me whatever you like. You can talk to me rude etc by the safety of this platform. I have nothing to prove to you and of course I will not send you any personal information to confirm who am I. You do not represent all the Greeks and neither all the orthodox people. If you can not understand the "first amoung equals" and that the turn "Pope of Orthodoxy" is not right in any sence it is not my problem. Have a nice day. Find another person to argue in this way. It is pointless for me.
me and my boys about to visit paradise
you know you can turn off notifications on your phone right? i have zero notifications enabled
I want to go there
I want to go to there.
Are you male
@@Archi.x002 yes
a video on vaishnavism plss
literally the happiest place on earth
Orthodoxy or death....how lucky are those who are born orthodox❤❤❤
A little too proud?????
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.
It’s misogynistic ☝️🤓
Can you do a video on other European microstates? (eg, Vatican, San Marino, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Monacco, etc.)
After hearing no Tex...
Me in my mind oooo darmm
Great book collection on your desk. Is that the diary of Karl Marx or the published Marx/Engels Correspondence? All I see is his name but if not I can’t recommended those enough.
It's Capital volume 1 and 2
I'm really enjoying the human/animation combo. I'm sure it's easier the budget, and by breaking the fourth wall it draws me into the topic not just the funny cartoons
Whoa whoa, run that real estate part back. 🤔
Mind your own business
Safe place to be in most zombie apocalypse scenarios.
what an amazing and beautiful place!