Saw Clan Line and Flying Scotsman at Salisbury in the mid 80s. Clan Line , rebuild and in good order, departed in the up direction with a heavy train and only the slightest hint of a slip. Nice footage, ta.
glad I found this. 34015 Exmouth is one of my favourite West Countries. I note in my logbook I saw it 4 times in 1964, variously at Bournemouth, Waterloo and Eastleigh. I renamed my Hornby model after it. Its in pristine condition as it was on the occasions that I saw it. I took a photo of it at Bournemouth but as a teenager all i could afford was a Woolwoths camera..
I well recall West Country Class - both rebuilt and unrebuilt - on the daily service from Brighton to Plymouth. Brighton shed was well-known for the good turnout of its locomotives, something that ceased when (after 1964) the locomotives were stationed at Fratton. I saw some of the very last West Countries on this route early in 1967, and they were without nameplates and extremely grimy, though still able to give a good turn of speed.
Nice to see a close up of 34015's Right Hand nameplate. It is easily identified by the large oversize fixing hole above the U, due to the side casing continually moving and shaking at speed....it made the hole larger than it should be. This nameplate set is now on the wall on our landing. The other side resides in Exmouth Town Hall (with all original fixing holes filled in....dreadful!).
This was the last years when Britain was British and the railways were truly British Railways. The criminally insane Richard Beeching killed off British Railways by c1970.
Richard Beeching wrote a report, he did not close a single Railway. At the time British Railways was losing money hand over fist, according to Labours 1947 Transport Act 'The Railways of must not be a Burden to the taxpayer'. Beechings report made recomendations including many line closures, BR had to apply for line closures and they had to be granted by the Minister of Transport. Most closures were carried out by Barbara Castle (Lab), good examples being the ex LWR withered arm, BR applied for closure in 1965 which Castle granted. similarly many lines in east Anglia, many marked as for development in the report were wholly closed by Castle, for example Wymondham - dereham - Kings Lynn and Kings Lynn - Wisbech March. There are many others. Even better was her Labour predecessor who refused BR(S) permission to reopen between Shanklin and Ventnor claiming, which was untrue, that he had no powers to reopen a closed railway.
Richard Beeching wrote a report, he did not close a single Railway. At the time British Railways was losing money hand over fist, according to Labours 1947 Transport Act 'The Railways of must not be a Burden to the taxpayer'. Beechings report made recomendations including many line closures, BR had to apply for line closures and they had to be granted by the Minister of Transport. Most closures were carried out by Barbara Castle (Lab), good examples being the ex LWR withered arm, BR applied for closure in 1965 which Castle granted. She also closed many lines marked as for development in the report.
Spent the best part of 17 years running up and down what was left of that line with a 159. Would have loved to do it in steam days even if it was hard and dirty work.
All pacifics were famous for slipping, because some of the adhesion weight was wasted on the trailing axel under the firebox. GWR 4-6-0s never suffered with this problem as most of the adhesion weight was concentrated on the 6 divers. When the interchange trials were held, a Castle class would haul it's train up the Kings Cross tunnel much quicker than a pacific.
What about the LMS Coronation Class and LNER A1-A4? they were pacifics and they had adequate grip. On one side, you need to limit how much weight is on the drivers in order to prevent the locomotive from breaking the rails, on the other side you need enough weight to prevent wheelslip, the pacific design was chosen over something like a Mastodon 4-8-0 due to how long a fixed wheelbase can actually be when going round corners. The trailing wheel was also used for stabilization at high speeds.
All pacifics are prone to slipping when starting as the weight transfers to the trailing unpowered axle and off the driving wheels. Once underway the advantage then transfers to the Pacific away from the 4-6-0 due to the wide firebox and greater steam raising capability. At the end of the day a loco's power is limited by it's ability to make steam. That is why a Coronation will always out do a King. The best ever run on the Cornish Riviera, in steam days, was made by 46237 City of Bristol when on loan to the Western Region.
Saw Clan Line and Flying Scotsman at Salisbury in the mid 80s. Clan Line , rebuild and in good order, departed in the up direction with a heavy train and only the slightest hint of a slip.
Nice footage, ta.
glad I found this. 34015 Exmouth is one of my favourite West Countries. I note in my logbook I saw it 4 times in 1964, variously at Bournemouth, Waterloo and Eastleigh. I renamed my Hornby model after it. Its in pristine condition as it was on the occasions that I saw it. I took a photo of it at Bournemouth but as a teenager all i could afford was a Woolwoths camera..
I well recall West Country Class - both rebuilt and unrebuilt - on the daily service from Brighton to Plymouth. Brighton shed was well-known for the good turnout of its locomotives, something that ceased when (after 1964) the locomotives were stationed at Fratton. I saw some of the very last West Countries on this route early in 1967, and they were without nameplates and extremely grimy, though still able to give a good turn of speed.
Nice to see a close up of 34015's Right Hand nameplate. It is easily identified by the large oversize fixing hole above the U, due to the side casing continually moving and shaking at speed....it made the hole larger than it should be. This nameplate set is now on the wall on our landing. The other side resides in Exmouth Town Hall (with all original fixing holes filled in....dreadful!).
"Exmouth" was leaving Salisbury on an EAST bound train! Platform 2.
Funny that the narration states the loco is backing in to take out a west bound service, then heads east past bay platform 6
This was the last years when Britain was British and the railways were truly British Railways. The criminally insane Richard Beeching killed off British Railways by c1970.
Richard Beeching wrote a report, he did not close a single Railway. At the time British Railways was losing money hand over fist, according to Labours 1947 Transport Act 'The Railways of must not be a Burden to the taxpayer'. Beechings report made recomendations including many line closures, BR had to apply for line closures and they had to be granted by the Minister of Transport. Most closures were carried out by Barbara Castle (Lab), good examples being the ex LWR withered arm, BR applied for closure in 1965 which Castle granted. similarly many lines in east Anglia, many marked as for development in the report were wholly closed by Castle, for example Wymondham - dereham - Kings Lynn and Kings Lynn - Wisbech March. There are many others. Even better was her Labour predecessor who refused BR(S) permission to reopen between Shanklin and Ventnor claiming, which was untrue, that he had no powers to reopen a closed railway.
That shed shut down was sad. I visited Salisbury wth a Railfans Club in 61. It was heaving. Even a few LMS locos.
Salisbury shed was a great MPD in the early 60s why the heck did we let Beeching happen?
Don't forget Ernie Marples. Together their names live in infamy!
Richard Beeching wrote a report, he did not close a single Railway. At the time British Railways was losing money hand over fist, according to Labours 1947 Transport Act 'The Railways of must not be a Burden to the taxpayer'. Beechings report made recomendations including many line closures, BR had to apply for line closures and they had to be granted by the Minister of Transport. Most closures were carried out by Barbara Castle (Lab), good examples being the ex LWR withered arm, BR applied for closure in 1965 which Castle granted. She also closed many lines marked as for development in the report.
If Beeching was so bad why did LABOUR not cancel the report when they were elected less than a year after the report was published?
@@simonjames3845 why make it a political post I wasn’t.
Spent the best part of 17 years running up and down what was left of that line with a 159. Would have loved to do it in steam days even if it was hard and dirty work.
34015 West bound service? Looks to be heading east to me.
Good video l always a fan of s southern Pacific's
All pacifics were famous for slipping, because some of the adhesion weight was wasted on the trailing axel under the firebox.
GWR 4-6-0s never suffered with this problem as most of the adhesion weight was concentrated on the 6 divers.
When the interchange trials were held, a Castle class would haul it's train up the Kings Cross tunnel much quicker than a pacific.
What about the LMS Coronation Class and LNER A1-A4? they were pacifics and they had adequate grip.
On one side, you need to limit how much weight is on the drivers in order to prevent the locomotive from breaking the rails, on the other side you need enough weight to prevent wheelslip, the pacific design was chosen over something like a Mastodon 4-8-0 due to how long a fixed wheelbase can actually be when going round corners.
The trailing wheel was also used for stabilization at high speeds.
All pacifics are prone to slipping when starting as the weight transfers to the trailing unpowered axle and off the driving wheels. Once underway the advantage then transfers to the Pacific away from the 4-6-0 due to the wide firebox and greater steam raising capability. At the end of the day a loco's power is limited by it's ability to make steam. That is why a Coronation will always out do a King. The best ever run on the Cornish Riviera, in steam days, was made by 46237 City of Bristol when on loan to the Western Region.
Rubbish, the reason for slipping at Waterloo was that sanding was not allowed as it might have interfered with the Track Circuits.
@@simonjames3845 So replacing worn out rails due to being worn out by slipping drivers, was more expensive than replacing track circuits???
@@Rog5446 No SAFETY is more important, a false reading on a Track Circuit could cause a wrong side signal failure.
Does anyone know what film this is from?
I'll have another look, couldn't find it the other day.
@@elliottube2008 Thank you! If you do find it I’d love to know 😃