How did the Vikings Reach America 500 years before Columbus?
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Hi
Are you Canadian?
How did they reach America, they took a CAB,OR A BUSS
the simple answer is they walked there, but there's more
first they walked onto a ship, then they walked back and forth tending to the ship, then they walked off the ship, so they walked there!!!! xD
No one believes Columbus was the first to discover America. His discovery is important because he was the first by a European power that had the capability to take advantage of the said discovery.
The Viking not only terrified Europe but discovered North America, Those boys were busy
They didn’t discover it though
@@TheRealForgetfulElephantif you find something that you and everybody you know doesn't know about, you can use the word discovered at that point
@@TheRealForgetfulElephantI'd advise you to look up the definition of the word "presentism"
@@TheRealForgetfulElephant Did you even watch the video?
They are also great at ruling the land they conquered.
One of everyone's favorite "what-if" topics: What if the Vikings actually established permanent settlements in North America. This one will always be one of my most favorite like ever. I know, this video did nothing about alternate history. But I just cannot helped but wanting to enjoy myself.
Iceland is part of NA and Euro continents.
What if people already inhabited North America?
@@scottgalbraith7461 1. People already inhabited NA in the form of indigenous indians. 2. Europeans also permanently inhabited NA since at the very least 770 in Iceland since Iceland is part of NA.
@@randolphtiangco6239 sarcasm
@@randolphtiangco6239 You know exactly what lerneanlion meant. Your attempts at "correcting" them are not helpful.
To answer the first question you first need to ask “discover for who” because discovering something seems to be a relative term, Columbus did in fact discover America for Europe as despite the Scandinavians showing up before him, the rest of Europe would not realize this continents existence until Columbus.
european's point of view is the only one that really matters tho
@@marusdod3685 no not really, Europeans are just humans like everyone else, they don’t matter more or less then anyone else.
@@marusdod3685are you a troll or do you genuinely believe that? Can you elaborate why?
@@xpena7420 it's a european world, you merely reside in its shadow
Both are wrong, Asians discovered North America. You could walk across From Russia to modern day Alaska due to ice caps. Hence why you have the aboriginals, Asian docents who climatized to American climates.
Proud Norwegian ❤ (even though Leif was Icelandic-Norwegian)
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norge
@Sefrunson What part of Norway were you born?
Icelanders are norwegian. 99% of the norse who settled iceland came from norway
@@ericredbear425 Bergen
And then just a few decades later King Harold Hardrada of Norway landed in Northumbria with Tostig Godwinson and a great viking army who were subsequently massacred by Harold Godwinson, the last Anglo Saxon King of England who himself was killed in the battle of Hastings by William The Conqueror the same year.
History is Fascinating!
It was in space of two weeks, first the battle of Stamford Bridge and then the battle of Hastings.
Harold could have won the second battle as well.
@@korsarz95 If you read up on how the battle of hastings went down Harold actually almost won there too. The problem started after some of his troops made the fatal mistake of deciding to break their own shield wall and charge after some of William's retreating troops. The Normans counterattacked and exploited the fresh gap in Saxon defenses which transpired into chaos leading to Harold's death and subsequent Anglo Saxon defeat.
One mistake and the very face of history changed forever...
learnt that with oversimplified
The actual site is very well documented and pretty definitive in it's evidence. It is certainly worth a visit by anyone interested in Norse travel.
Columbus put the Americas on the map and introduced the "old world" to the "new world" for people on both sides of the east/west and started the trading and large migrations between the two worlds.
Columbus didn't even think he discovered a new continent, he thought he was in Asia, Amerigo Vespucci is the guy who proclaimed the new continents and got his name put on them. Also, colonisation and genocide of the native people is not a competition, and your comment gives me the feeling you like Columbus quite a bit.
If you can say one thing about the Vikings, it's that they left and didn't return. Also, at least they knew they weren't in Asia, so they had better knowledge of the globe than Columbus.
@@Gaelic-Spirit I get the feeling you cry a lot in comment sections.. Um, sure i guess? But yes, Vespucci went there why and after who again? Yup, history was a violent place, so were the natives, it is what it is.. And actually colonisation WAS competitive lol, and I doubt the Vikings had a clue where they were either (i feel you must like those Vikings, and the pillaging- murdering they did, not cool man jk ;)... Again, is what it is.. I couldn't care less about Columbus tbh, it was just a factual historical statement that seems to get lost on others. Now, go my triggered one -cry, cry even more about it while you make assumptions about others and virtue signal.. Gooo, the world needs you!
@@Gaelic-Spiritwhat the hell are you talking about. Columbus was going to India to get spices. The trip was paid for by Spain. Of course he quickly realized it was not India when he saw the place. Are you just joking or plain stupid
@@Gaelic-Spirit everything you just said is wrong haha
This is such an American perspective. No one outside of the US cares about Columbus.
Columbus had a better PR guy! 😆
And he actually put things on the map for others around the world to eventually go there.
Columbus had better funding and was backed by a country. Leif Ericson was just himself his family and a few comrades.
Lol, and that is why the continent is named after Amerigo Vespucci:)
@@pintiliecatalin
Because Columbus didn't go further than the islands he "found"..
Amerigo Vespucci harbored at the mainland. Todays North America.
@@oneshothunter9877 That is not actually the reason. The reason of the name is because Amerigo was the one that actually realised it was a new continent. And then a german cartographer used his name to mark the new continent. When Columbus reached Bahamas he thought that he was on an asian island off the coast of china.
One of the Indian tribes from that area not only has stories from their ancestors meeting the Vikings but also allied with them to defend themselves against other tribes. And you can still find DNA traces of Vikings in them today.
sure,sure...
There’s tribes in South America who mention “the cloud people “ that are described as very tall and blonde many people believe they might be talking about Vikings but who knows .
The natives of Newfoundland, the Beothuck, the natives that interacted with the vikings are extinct. Good story though.
@@dariusalexandru9536you seem mad
Yes it has been verified from resreach now that they inter bred
I'm a big fan of history, and this video is a great addition to my knowledge of the Vikings. I love how it combines archaeological evidence with historical records to paint a complete picture of their journey to America.
The Vikings were just built differently
Not really.
Their ships were.
bUiLt difFeReNtLy
@@oneshothunter9877 Also as a people, they really were. Bigger, stronger due to physical labour and rowing plus a high protein diet plus culturally, exploration was a large part of their identity.
Look at them now !!!
@@Alastair_
Uhm, yes, to a certain degree you're probably right.
They were taller than most of Europeans back then.
But new(er) science has shown that they were just as worm ridden (ring worms and other parasites) as every other human in Europe.
I hope you don't watch too much "Vikings" and think that's the way they were.
I'm a Inuk from Nuuk, Nuuk Fiord area (the Vikings settlement Vesterbygd (the settlements of the west)). The stories about Northmen were told by my ancestors in generations. There were two areas with deep fiords in Greenland (Nuuk area and Qaqortoq area) where Nordboerne (the Northmen) / Qallunaatsiaat (the Vikings) settled. In the beginning. The Northmen were friendly. But it ended with that the Northmen began to kill innocent women, kids and elders. While the Inuit hunters were out for hunting. Later on the Inuit hunters killed the Vikings. For what they have done to Inuit. And Vikings were eraised from all over Greenland!
I still don't get it , if Greenland was settled by Vikings , why do they look more like Russian siberians or Asians than Europeans
@@Krankenwagen571 The last norse settlement on Greenland disappeared in the mid 15th century for unknown and mysterious reasons.
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
I heard tell that Columbus' mentor studied navigation with the best in the business, the Scandinavians. In which case, he probably already knew about the Americas before he 'discovered' them.
Wow!!!Now only,I knew about this fascinating history and I fully appreciate the Vikings discovery of Canada and United States before Cristopher Columbus sir five hundred years ago,good friends!!!So,the legal discoverer was Leith Erikson sir's of Icelandic and Norwegian(Interracial since his mother was an Icelandic but his father was a Norwegian) and as an Interracial person and man and good human being,I am extremely so happy and proud to hear this,good friends!!!🙏🏻
Iceland didn't have any indigenous people.. The people there were viking settlers as was probably his Mother, nothing interracial. When people say Columbus discovered America they mean he put it on the map for the rest of the world to know about and go to. Yes Vikings more than likely reached the Americas before him, but there's no "legally discovered" under some law and we have no idea what happened to them.
@@muddyhotdog4103 Lol!!!If Iceland have no indegenous or Icelandic people,then why there is a country,good friend?Please go to his Wikipedia and you would read his early life where his father was a native Norwegian but his mother was a native Icelandic,so Interracial existed,good friend!!!The reason for them saying Cristopher Columbus sir discovered America,they either tarnished their history or did not even know about the history,good friend!!!Most of the historians failed to even state this as the real truth which was a total shambolic on theirs but thank goodness,this history channel's admin stated the fact accurately,good friend!!!🙏🏻
When did the Vikings discover the US? These are places in Canada.
@@j2174when did Columbus
@@KuntryBoyCitySlick Colombia never set foot in the US either. 😉
The Vikings had settlements in a few parts of Canada. John Cabot discovered Canada in 1497.
Of course, the Vikings continued on into the middle of the continent, where they became the Minnesota Vikings. 🙂
Actually, Greenland is part of North America, so that's when they actually discovered the continent.
Good point!
Iceland is torn by the famous rift between North America and Eurasia, Reykjavik being on the N. American side. So Lief Erikson was BORN in N. North America, give his mother credit for beating him to his greatest achievement.
@@karlbmileslmao Iceland is more European though
Very intersting video, i like this sorta content!!
Very good and very very interesting.
Thank you all!!
LIES...
Great vid!
good stuff. thanks
Of course the vikings found their way to North America. That is a well proven fact that most people know all about. However, their travels did not have the impact on the history of the world that Columbus' travels had so it makes sense that he is remembered as a pathfinder too. In fact, I seem to have read a long time ago speculations that the viking discoveries had inspired Columbus: The church would have records of its establishment on Greenland and thus possibly also of possible land further west.
It does pain to my ears though to hear Leif's name pronounced like "leaf"... *ouch*
This is exactly the video I was looking for. Cool stuff.
Of course it was a discovery - for Europeans, who did not know about it. It has nothing to do with the fact that people already lived there. Was Australia discovered?
While the discovery by Columbus became a general knowledge, the discovery of Ericson and it significance was lost.
I like these sagas. They're quite interesting to listen too.
I love these videos. How do you make your maps?
Now this is how a video about a controversial topic is made. Good job Knowledgia 🙌🙌 keep it up👏👏
Both erickson and columbus didnt knew they discovered an entire new continent, columbus tought it was the indies and erickson probably tought it was more random nordic islands
maybe because they just didnt knew something else could exist?
Ofc that's how it happened. You go to an unknown land then later ppl find out about it more. Still it's a discovery if you are the first person from another distant place to go there
The indies ?? I hope you meant India. You know that country in Asia where Europeans where sourcing spices from
@@wondermaid6452 he didn’t think he was in india, and that’s not where he was going. He was trying to get to the East Indies and found the West Indies. India wasn’t a word until England colonized the kingdoms that lived in modern day india in the 1800’s. The spice trade was located in the Dutch East Indies
That is not true, Columbus and everyone else knew since the third voyage (Columbus made 4 voyages) and many people was telling him since the second. I remind you that unlike the vikings, Columbus knew where he wanted to go (to the west, under parallel 30º north, which happens to be roughly the latitude of China), he took measurements, created navigation charts and maps of the coast of the American continent that were gradually increasing as the subsequent Spanish explorers were discovering more of the continent. Vikings never dared to loose sight of the coast longer than 2 or 3 days, they did coastal navigation mainly because didn't have the navigation knowledge and instruments necesarry to cross by the center a huge ocean, completely unknown for the mankind as Columbus did. It takes a lot of bravery and seamanship to do that.
The three names of the lands are interesting. A province Halland in western Sweden has the same etymology as Helluland. And "mark " meaning forrest is still seen in places ( Denmark for instance). But I have another idea about Vinland. There are places in Norway and western Sweden where this means grass ( or meadow). Remember they were farmers! My theory is that this was forgotten when the sagas were written.
Yes, I agree with you, as I find this most likely of all hypotheses.
It is also a well supported hypothesis, by scholars. The leading proponent of this hypothesis is Helge Ingstad, himself. Helge Ingstad and his wife, Anne Stine, and their daughter Benedikte, are officially the archeologists who found and actually discovered the Viking site at L'Anse aux Meadows, during eight expeditions with excavations in the years 1961-1968. Ingstad agreed fully with the Swedish archaeologist Sven Söderberg's hypothesis about the interpretation of the 'vin' section of the 'Vinland' name, and tied it to the location by his archeological discovery. Ingstad also received support for the hypothesis from the Norwegian philologist Magnus Olsen, at the time.
(Researchers believe that the flora description of "native wheat fields and vines" in the Saga of Eric the Red, which is not accurate by any means and contradicts the saga Flateyjarbók, is likely referring to findings in the St Lawrence bay, further south and of subsequent exploration).
Ingstad writes about the etymology of 'vin' in his book Landet under Leidarstjernen (1959), translates to 'The land under the leadning star'.
Etymology of vín: meadow, grassland, natural field, if I trace back to the dialect of western Norse, to Leiv Eiriksson's ancestral origin: the birth place of his father Eiríkr Rauði (Erik the Red), Leiv Eriksson's fater, in Western Norway, born 950, died ca 1003 Greenland. It originates even before the Viking Age, and many of the names are still in use.
There are still many places in Norway with 'vin' in their names, some only in part, today: e.g. Vinje, Bruvin, Granvin in Voss, Vereide (Vineid), Økern (Økrvin) in Oslo, and not at least Bjørgvin (the city of Bergen, today, which was the capitol and royal seat of Norway, centuries ago).
But it is not limited to only Norway, as 'vin' was a common word in both West Norse and East Norse languages. Sweden: e.g. Ven (and probably many more). 'Vin' is also used in place names (farms and fields) in the Orkneys (Orkn = seal, ey = island in Norse language), and Shetland (aka Hjaltland in Norse language), where Norse people from Western Norway colonized, bringing their dialects and vocabulary, in the 800s.
And same about Helland and Markland: there are still a few places in Norway called Markland, and about 30 places named Helland here in Norway, including some name variations, according to Statens Kartverk.
Sources: Helge Ingstad (1959), Schmidt & Gundersen (2016), and Statens Kartverk Stedsnavnregister (National register of place names).
@@norsenomad Thank you !
@@paulingvar You're welcome!
Genuinely interesting subject for us, Scandinavians.
I'm so glad that we have the Saga's, and that the true discovery of the Americas (by Europeans) is finally becoming more well known these days, along with it being proven beyond a doubt to be real.
The Sagas are real treasure trove.
@@theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658 They truly are one of the greatest records of the past we have, on par with the ancient epics of the Greeks, Romans.
Thank the gods for it's and other record's preservation and the great people who preserved them.
The 9-12 minute videos are great!!!!! ❤😅
Viking is an old English word for raider. Viking is not a culture or a group of similar people. Vikings were Norse, Swedes, gotlanders, Danes, and whole shit ton of other cultural groups who had little or nothing in common. Saying Vikings got to America is like saying cowboys got to the moon because Americans did it. The Norse discovered America, not raiders
Cowboys got to the moon and they were most likely viking descendants, with the gene of traveling to unknown places.
*little to nothing in common"???
Vikningur comes from Old Norse, and Norse is not Norwegeans but from all the Nordics
They have some pretty good series about Vikings on various channels, and I would love it one of them would do a series on the Viking coming to America
North or South America? LOL, yanks .
I am Danish, my ancestors, the funny thing is that a viking chief's wife who was with her husband in America, she later became a Christian, traveled to Rome, and there she told the Pope everything she had experienced in America, all this happened before Columbus, the pope (church) and the woman have certainly not been able to place the area as a new undiscovered contingent, she has not been able to point to a map, I don't think Greenland was on a map either, the Vikings were very secretive about the countries they discovered
it is also said that the Spanish found a Native American tribe who worshiped a man on a cross-like object
Anime Vinland Saga: Let me introduce myself.
How can anyone possibly discover somewhere people already live? 🤔
Because it was unknown to them at the time.
Do a video about the Minoans & Mycenaeans who they discovered America 2800 years before the Vikings.
The Vikings only went to America because of early Irish settlers in Iceland in the late 900s. The Irish monks were the first people on the Faroe islands in which the Irish called it Sheep islands and continue to Iceland then to St John's bay in Canada. When the Vikings arrived some time later on Iceland , they had discovered people there ( Irish settlers) and these people told the Vikings about the land in the West. It is believe that in an old Norse language they name part of the new land New Ireland.
When Columbus wanted to go to this land in the West, he went to Galway in Ireland to find out about the travel root, but he didn't want to do this round trip and dicided to go on a straight root which took so long that he thought he had missed it and had traveled to India, Which then became the West Indies.
Sounds like the intro for a new settle and build game!
I read that Columbus sailed South because he knew of the land claims to the north by the vikings.
I have red this in a book once. I am really interested about Vikings.
0:13 yes. People who say that don’t know what “Discover” means. For instance, I just discovered this video.
Thanks!
Wouldn’t it be fitting if the first manned mission to Mars, or Alpha Centauri, or the Delta Quadrant be aboard a ship christened the ‘Leif Erikson?’
NOT Leaf Eriksson. Leif, which sounds like Layf or Lyf. (Technically it is actually Leifur Eiríksson, ....still never 'leaf')
Bro discovered Vinland
Thorfinn will be proud
Tesla was a great scientist, but word has it that Ragna the Viking discovered electricity 1,000 years earlier when he got struck by lightning. Why don't we recognize the other Viking contributions?
Chesapeake Light Craft, a kit boat design and building company, recently completed their "Gislinge" boat, a replica of a 24 foot Norse boat that had been found buried deep in the mud in Denmark. A 12th century vessel, It is very much a working "viking" boat. In talking to John Harris the owner and designer of the replica that was built of plywood and epoxy, it accelerates and sails just as fast as a modern Multihull. Having seen it and Draken Harald Hårfagre sail, they are shockingly fast and very seaworthy. It is no big leap of logic that the Norse were able to jump to Iceland, Greenland, and then to the actual continent of North America.
Discovery is an act of civilization where records are written and transmitted to others.
You seem to suggest that modern historians reject this fact. They don't.
Greenland already is part of North America, sure it’s an island (and the world’s largest), but so is Newfoundland (an island). Certainly, Greenland is quite different than most of North America, but Canada differs a lot from Florida or Central America.
And all this shows that categories often get fuzzy around the edges. Just take the (half)continent of North America which contains two (or three) main regions, one which is called North America, the other being Central America (the third being the Caribbean, though some might lump it together with Central America).
Vikings got their asses beaten off by us .my gramps used to tell me stories like his ancestor killing 10 huscarls all by himself simply with a stone tomahawk
ROFL
Vikings discovered North North America. At the time, many did not know that the Southern portion of North America and Central America even existed until Columbus's time. Both discovered different portions of America at different times. Of course the Scandinavians showed up first, but to a different portion of "America" at the time.
There are accounts of hunters of walrus ivory in those old histories and likely a lot fishermen were also about. Such could have easily have sighted or even landed on the canadian coast. Explorers sometimes also nots the presence of birds when seeking new lands. There were even the great awks that migrated by surface swimming or floating.
Saying they didnt discover the continent is kind of like saying no onw discovered gravity because it always existed
In the Canadian historical drama "Vikings", Floki is the bold Dane who ventured first to Iceland then to Greenland
'Vikings' was not good history, but it was still pretty good entertainment. Good acting and the soundtrack is 1 of the best I've ever heard on a TV series.
He was Norweigen in the show, not a Dane lol, but yeah he went to Iceland first, but it was Kjetill Flatnose who remained in Greenland
Flóki was norwegian and never went to Greenland, the real Flóki that is. He named Iceland, went back to Norway and later moved to Iceland again
"Vinland" in old norse is just as likely to mean "meadow land" as "wine land". Neither can be ruled out.
How come Basque are never mentioned with the discovery of North America? There are Basque ovens that apparently date as far back as the Vikings in Labrador .
Beg to differ yes Amerindian did migrate from Asia 10 to 20k years ago. But genetic disconnect on y chromosome only occured in the time of Rome. Clovis people by genetic evidence crossed from Europe 20k years ago.
Crossing food crops it shows exchange between Polynesia and south America. The joman (from Japan visited north America).
Lastly earliest human remains in south America seem most closely related to Australian indigenous people. 25k to 35k before current era. Different from later Amerindian remains.
you realy couldnt give links to the music???
There is a legend in Irish folklore that St Brendan sailed with 17 monks for 7 years across the north Atlantic to reach what is now Newfoundland in the 6th century AD. Whether the story is true or not who knows?
Any Vinland Saga fans out there?
Right here dude 😂
yeah
The sea faring technology and supply systems just weren’t ready in 1000 AD for the Vikings to maintain and grow a sustainable foot print in the americas. They stayed a couple hundred years in their nothern Maine and Newfoundland settlements until eventually they hurried back home.
I find it interesting that both of these explorers days, will be on the same day
If only trading of domestic animals like horses, sheep and pigs went on alongside some metallurgy and managed to spread more maybe the natives would have had some better results for the future
@a.r.h9919 Unless the Vikings were also trading vaccines for smallpox and measles, I don't think that stuff would have made much of a difference. European settlers met a much weaker resistance by the locals not because of a technology imbalance, but because disease had already ravaged the continents, killing somewhere between 50-90% of the population.
@@saladmcjones7798this is what lots of people don’t understand or know
The Maine Penny a VIKING COIN found in the state of Maine possible coming from trade between the locals and the Vikings.
There wore other people who discovered america before colombus also, please do a video of mansa musa discovering americas also
Not proven.
The Vikings discovery didn't hold the same significance as Columbus's because of the different economic climates. The Age of Discovery launched a race for resources between world powers that created rich empires. The Vikings, on the other hand, were more Isolated, only making contact with primitive European tribes without riches to offer in exchange for exotic resources. In other words, there was little more motive than wanderlust itself.
Columbus is not credited with "discovering" America simply because he set foot on our land, but because he developed the astronomical headings and longitudes to return to the Americas. And more followed after him developing more accurate and detailed maps and charts.
The Basque whale hunters were fishing in the St Lawrence river hundreds of years before Colomb. They even established camps all along the river. Jacques Cartier head navigator was Basque, named Aramburu.
What evidence have you got of that? Because if you have none, that is just a tale, a legend, same as the sagas.
@@jonayz8655
History books, Spent my life reading them, and if you do the same, you'll find out. Read about the Basque whale hunting in the St Lawrence river, then read about Jacques Cartier and the name and occupation of his crew. All of this is recorded.
Columbus was lost and called aboriginal people Indians because he thought he was in India. Unfortunately this mistake sticks to them to many things to this day ie Indian summer, Indian people etc.
@@fastnbulbouss I know about that tale.because it is just that a tale. A book which tells fairy tale about the past isnt necesarily a history book. Nowadays is fashionable to demerit Columbus discovery without providing any evidence. Why didn't the Basques settle in America then? What a nonesense....
@@carlnelson697 Columbus wasn't lost, he just thought that hehad arrived to Asia, because that was the aim of tje voyage, but since the third voyage he knew he was in a new continent. It is not her fault that the.next generations kept on using the word indian, which isnot an insult, by the way. When you have registered exactly your position in the globe latitide plus longitude and even haveapped the place it cannot be said that you were «lost»
They both did. The Vikings discovered it first, 500 years later Europeans forgot about it, then Columbus rediscovered it. There's actually proof that the Knights Templar knew about Nova Scotia
The Knights Templar's might just have heard the sagas and the sagas could have reached Columbus ears.
vinland saga moment
My huge question is how come that the Vikings didn't reach the version Islands if they reached North America
Awesome video. If one wonder how to pronounce "Leif" as we do in Scandinavia, its "L-AY-F" ⚒️
"Life" can do.
I'd say Leyf, but certainly not Lief as pronounced in the video. ( English speakers need to learn the actual vowels, and no "W" is not a vowel in any other language.)
Spain was the World Power on the Continent of Europe in 1492 dedicated to the Roman Catholic Church. Vikings found North America earlier. Thanks.
It seems that the video title question could be answered by a John Lennon quip: “turn left at Greenland”
Well for the Vikings being around 500 years before Columbus rocked up certainly helped.
by sailing there, thats how
Yes it can be called discovery, because from the viewpoint of the europeans it was not known before they discovered it. Simple, logical.
Great video! But nothing up to debate, depends from wich part we view it. It is a discovery from European's point of view and not from humanity's point of view as there were already indigineous people living there since thousands of years.
You forgot to mention saint Brendan, an historical figure from Ireland.
Unfortunately there is no physical evidence, just experiments that prove that it would have been theoretically possible with 6th century Irish technology before whiskey was invented.
@@SmokingLaddy he spoke of a land of fire and ice.
An obvious reference to Iceland.
@@ClannCholmain We are talking about America here.
@@SmokingLaddy my point is, there was no physical evidence that the Irish were the first to arrive in Iceland until relatively recently either.
The evidence is dated a full 200 years after St Brendan had died.
It was recorded in the early 1100s that Papar were in Iceland when Vikings first arrived, hardly breaking news. There is no physical evidence they were there, only written.
It would indeed be a debatable matter if the Vikings or Christopher Columbus discovered the Americas.
Even Columbus didn't have a clue about the Americas the size, or any of that , he just came across a few islands, but didn't know about the mainland..
So who was the first person to discover the northern mainland or the southern mainland.
And who was the first to sail around and understand the whole continent top to bottom.
Whoever that was should be classified as the true discoverer of America as a whole ..
We should probably just keep it simple, it doesn't matter much anyway. What is to be gained from complication is more?
I guess your right, but because Columbus didn't actually discover America, just some islands in central America's
I prefer to think, say the Vikings discovered America, after all they were the first Europeans to travel west and actually settle down.
They didn't just make notes and return .
But it's all down to individual preference, living in England it doesn't really affect me,
But If I could I would change US ( American) history and replace Columbus name for Leif Erickson :)
My uncle knew Leif Ericsson back in the day. He said the dude was cool and loved to party. They travelled around in Leif’s ship for a couple years until my uncle went to work with his dad at his vacuum cleaner repair shop.
when me and my grandmother where young boys we used to play chicken with your uncle and Leif , using sail boats.
send your CV to Leif@tilvalhall.åsg@@A_R_B_G
6:48 "Yes, we can trust the stories and they do contain actuals facts... even though some details have changed over the years" Facts don't change
They had big brass balls and bad ass ships.
In an alternate history, let’s say that the Scandinavian’s from Iceland and Greenland settled permanently, and we knows Newfoundland
Perhaps they had a few hundred people and then it became a few thousand people let’s say they got about 10,000 people or something around that and sustains a few thousand people willing to the Renaissance in the age of exploration
At that point in time they would’ve laid claim to at least Newfoundland or areas around that and maybe they would’ve branch that went South on the East Coast of what is now the United States and Canada
Then the Scandinavians would’ve had a claim to be in the first to discover the western hemisphere
On top of that there, language, similar to that of what we see in Iceland would have developed into something unique and very recognizable
Perhaps if they were to have settled down into more temperate climates down the East Coast, they would’ve had hundreds of thousands of people in which case they could really claim the western hemisphere and we have a whole different version of what we have another day of the United States and Canada with what would’ve been the precursor to old Norse being a major world language
Instead we had Spanish we had Portuguese we have French and we have English( the only Germanic language) being a dominant world language, and the Scandinavian languages being a European based language with danish, having a little bit of influence as a world language in Greenland, and for a time on the few Caribbean islands, that they had control of
The Phoenicians also reversed the Atlantic ocean and discovered America. Their issue is that they did not document it, and promulgated, and send other for nations in a form of identity of a nation state that sustained itself where there is a population that can sit there, and say yes, we were Phoenicians at one time with a language, history, and a set of traditions and regular trade in communication to Europe. Those are the people that get the claim that they discovered a territory.
Remember, alanguage is a Dialects with an army and the navy
There are lots of excellent languages like Catalan, or Sardinian, or Corsican, on the host of other languages like Scots and West Frisian and elfdalian who have a written alphabet and the grammar instead of literature, and no nation state that identifies with them
Norway 🇳🇴 Store 🏬 in Norway, Illinois opened in 1848. My great-uncle, a former owner, is 102, I think 🤔. That Norway is the oldest continuous Norwegian American settlement.
Yes
Technically, both greenland and the western portion of iceland, are north america as they are both on the north american plate and not the european plate (except for iceland's eastern portion). So Erickson already lived in n. America prior to "discovering" it.
That's right !
Sure, and Russia is in America too because it has an island in the Strait or Bering 😂
@@furiouskermit9953 do not be daft, those islands are not on the n. American plate
You couldn't possibly be more wrong. Neither Greenland or any portion of Iceland is even close to being part of the North American continent. This is not debatable.
I suggest you go back to school and learn that greenland is, i deed , par of the n. American plate as is the western half of iceland....this is common knowlwdge.@@roymandina8061
If Greenland is considered geographically part of North America today, shouldn't that mean that Erik the Red was the first European to go to the Americas and not Leif Erikson?
0:20 What a stupid way to undermine your own case by immediately falsifying the claims youre going to argue against
Erikssen & vikings is the best example of europeans in america, they leave the natives alone in their land
Crazy how the Vikings had trade/ exploration routes from Canada to Afghanistan
i'll save you the 11 minutes, they took a boat
Saint Brendan of Ireland got there before the Vikings.
The Brendan Voyage.
Leif was more specifically Norwegian
Vinland saga brought me here
LMAO same 🤣
I guess if someone finds a place then it is a discoverer to them. It does not mean that no one else has been to it before though
So this is the real Vinland saga?