PETER JENNER:SYD BARRETT UP CLOSE BY PINK FLOYD & SYD BARRETT'S MANAGER
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In 2011, I interviewed PETER JENNER, who ,along with Andrew King, was Pink Floyd's first manager. Peter recalls the experience of discovering this "avant-garde pop band". The interview is full of stories, insights and memories of working with SYD BARRETT, ROGER WATERS,NICK MASON AND RICK WRIGHT.
After Syd left the band in 1968, Peter chose to manage Syd instead of Pink Floyd. He tells of the heartache of working with Syd in attempting to make his final recordings.
These are largely unedited "rushes" tapes of the interview.
Filmed for the documentary "The Story of wish You Were Here", directed by John Edginton.
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I have watched all the series and I just can say that this work is brilliant. Thanks a lot Mr Edginton for gifted us with these testimonies of an era
You're very welcome!
lifelong Floyd fan, and this has to be one of the best insights into Syd i've ever heard
Agree
This is another great one czcams.com/video/bfaZ7IKztKs/video.html
He confirms what Nick Mason said.
They pressured Syd Barrett to write hit songs. But he was a painter, and interested in converting colours and movements into sound.
Another absolutely fascinating interview! I have so enjoyed these. It’s a credit to your skill as an interviewer that your subjects relax and enjoy themselves so much, and that wonderful insights naturally flow as part of the process 👏 🌟
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another marvelous and very interesting interview with a fascinating insider and key figure of the Floyd story.I Hope you have a magical christmas Mr Edginton.
Thank you! a wonderful Xmas you too !
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES Much appreciated!
Dark Globe and Dominoes are two of my favorite Syd songs.......so sadly beautiful..........Shine On Syd.
As close to hearing from Syd as you can get. Great insights from one of the closest people to him from ‘66-68’
Excellent interview. Peter comes across as a very likeable, caring and articulate bloke.
it's really nice that someone else shares the same love and interest for that band that was Pink Floyd and that you share all these treasure interviews with us for free is wonderful. Once again thank you very much and Merry Christmas from Greece.
Take Care you and your loved ones. G
Thanks so much Eugene !
Thank you very much for the upload!
Whoa!
I didn’t realize that a Love track sung by Peter Jenner inspired Interstellar Overdrive!
Nice!
Think it was "Little Red Book".Similar melody.
Sums it up better then any other interview. Thanks for uploading!
My pleasure!
I'll comment more later, but this is bloody fantastic! Best interview I've heard from that era, appreciate the upload!
Wow! Thanks.
@@Johnedgintondocumentaris Yea, I'll get right on that...🤣
@@husq48, is something shady going on ?
@@robertmartin8565 ?
@@Johnedgintondocumentaris , when I click on the link, there is no content.
.....that fact that one person has had such an effect on people's lives, proves to me how important we all are in making a difference in this world.
"Where's Syd?"......
Syd is at peace.
That was a nice early Christmas present. Interesting to hear Peter Jenner's recounts of his time with Syd and the Floyd.
Extraordinarily good and interesting interview, one of the best I've seen in ages.
👏👏👏
Essential for any Pink Floyd and Syd Barrett fan or connoisseur.
Thank you for this!
Wow, thank you!
I never get enough of hearing Peter Jenner. Always very interesting!
I like him a lot!
I don't think I have ever heard anyone explain the talents of each person in Pink Floyd so very well. Fantastic interview, one of Edginton's best, and that is saying something!
Arr John you keep knocking it right out the park mate, absolutely wonderful. What a beautiful present 🎁
Cheers!
This is awesome, thanks so much for the upload!
I think that's a great point that Peter makes at the 48 minute mark, Syd had the natural talent and the spark to write original songs and carve a new path, but he didn't necessarily have the tools to cope with the success it brought (the adult part.) Once he had to maintain his position and sort of, deal with the business end, doing Pop TV appearances and endless interviews, I think he set about to sabotage the proceedings, which they reacted against (the group did) and rightfully so.
I hung on every word! This is extraordinary. Thank you!
My absolute pleasure!
This is a stellar interview! I’ve never heard this before! Thanks so very much for uploading.
Your voice sounds rather uncannily like that of Dave Gilmour.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Interstellar interview!
These interviews are fantastic. Thank you very much.
Glad you like them!
I highly recommend you watch all these interviews. They are truly unique.
Thank you so much for your superb recommendation ! Much appreciated !
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES can I ask how it felt to sit down with these people? Was it intimidating at all being in the presence of people like Roger Waters?
@@jipangoo Hi. I never felt terribly intimidated by any famous person I
interviewed. I try to focus on them as artists and human beings.
I can imagine that they would appreciate someone not fawning all over them
I watched your film by mistake as I found it on a vhs vid my dad rec,in 2002 saw ,i was very pleased tho 4 mins or 3 missing at start but I bought the xtra DVD that later came out with the extended interviews but this is better ,the comments of Roger was saying he was full of guilt ,and he should of let him go on Better terms
This is a fantastic video of the manager of pink floyd then syd barett
Wonderful. Thank you! We all love Syd
Yes we do !
Peter called me once to talk about my screenplay about Syd, which someone had given him to read. A wonderful memory and very kind of him.
Who are you
Just someone who was working in Hollywood in the 90s and wrote a screenplay about Syd. Never made of course.@@user-jv3iy6pz5h
What an amazing interview. Great insight. Thank you.
My pleasure!
Definitely agree with the notion that fame is not always handled well by artists. Considering that the very first singles the band recorded were in the top 10 certainly changed things. An artist like Syd Barrett was unprepared for that and could be why he withdrew. The drug stories may be over emphasized.
Agree
Peter Jenner is cutting all the bullshit out, while giving us the pieces of the puzzle about Floyd, Syd and Roger! Thanks so much for doing this interview and sharing it.
Great, thank you very much 🙏
Wonderful as usual.
What a dude.
I enjoyed listening. Thank you 😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
God bless Peter Jenner and his great capacity to be clear and deep in his analysis.
Besides, he was really close to Syd, so he knew him well.
It coincides 100% with Robert Wyatt comments after recording 'The Madcap Laughs' with him.
It makes sense to think that the first disturbing element in Syd's 1967 was a mixture of frustration/deception with growing up or with being a worker in the Industry Business. I still think that the way he drifted away could have an element of deception with his friends/bandmates.
There is -still- a chance that the band members pressured him/resented him within an ego battle that started when they signed the recording contract.
The fact that his childhood friends pressured him, instead of supporting him (like happened in The Beatles and other group-centered bands) is a revelation, as to what they really were feeling towards Syd and his success.
I think the Wish You Were Here album, is mostly a 'guilt-driven' record.
Nick Mason, in a 2012 interview at Google (yes Google) said they handled it in a very english/pink floydish way, which is "not talking about the issue" (which, he said, was not the correct way).
Funny enough, they never approached him to talk about it in the 40 years that passed since Syd was expelled from the group.
Certainly in the music, in that they've all said specifically they felt guilt. I dont remember Roger specifically mentioning it. But your eyes dont 'go out' simply because you don't want to be a pop star anymore. We know from his whole life that things went very wrong in his brain. Everything deviates from that and not vice versa.
@@mikearchibald744Precisely, his eyes didn't go out simply because "you don't want to be a star anymore". As I mention, the effect of all of his friends siding with the Industry (instead of being more supportive) must have been a lot to him.
My point is:
If Syd is 'crazy diamond', then Waters could, as well, be called 'heartless diamond', and it would be fine as well. But Syd didn't do that to him.
How I support my point:
Syd had lost his father 6 years before december 11th 1967, and he probably found support in his buddies and the way everyone gave feedback about his art.
Then, all of a sudden, his bandmates+industry don't continue giving that support. But fail to talk about it in a frontal manner.
I don't think that someone who does that to his buddy, has the right to call him "crazy" for not being able to cope with it. I don't know of other bands at the time, that did that to their buddies.
Hence:
If Syd is 'crazy diamond', then Waters could, as well, be called 'heartless diamond'.
@@tomtaba5564 I think you can call him what you want, why would anybody care?
I don't think its true and you really have no way of knowing to say that. Its clear from everybody PF went out of their way to ensure Syd was taken care of his entire life.
But its well known that Roger doesn't emote particularly well with anybody, thats not 'heartless', but soemthing else. Go watch the Genesis interviews where Peter Gabriel says that when his baby was sick the band didn't give a rats ass. Thats why he left. And all admit when Anthony Phillips got stage fright they pretty much wrote him off.
But its an interesting point that not often do people ask how Syd liked being called 'crazy' in one of the most popular rock songs of all time. I don't think in all the comments anybody even ADDRESSES it. Thats particularly a 'guy thing', not really heartless, but fairly self centered and not especially empathetic.
@@mikearchibald744 I agree,
self-centered and not especially empathetic.
Thank you so much for putting these all on! After watching this interview with Peter and watching the others, would I be right in thinking a fragment of your interview with Andrew King was used in the Floyd exhibition at the V&A some years back? Either way, it'd be wonderful to finally see it.
Not mine at the V&A with Andrew. I’ll hope to have his uploaded by Oct
Thanks mate.
wow, super interview
Brilliant interview! Cheers!
Thanks so much !
Great interview 😍🙏
Feel is the most heartfelt song Syd wrote besides Dark Globe.
Yup, Roger and David sat on those songs for decades! 😈
These videos are gems!did you interview Duggie Fields?
I see you have, that was the most insightful interview in Barrett, not insane,not a junkie, didn't like the razzmatazz and paparazzi,tv shows and miming imho.
Cheers!
I could listen to Pete Jenner endlessly. Fascinating guy with a unique perspective on a microcosm of time in music. And really, one of the earlier managers who actually seemed to display actual scruples, much more so than quite a few of his peers. His recollections (elsewhere) of the 24-Hour Technicolour Dream are brilliant.
A big factor I think that is often missed is that all these guys were all SO young, late teens early 20s. So they didnt naturally show compassion. And it meant that people, the 'casualties', almost always got left behind, or seemingly mistreated. Not out of callousness or badness, but simply because these were groups of guys that rarely showed emotion in the way we know now. We have the benefit of 50+ years of history, and culture, and experience of seeing countless other people doing this. They had no idea so they didnt think - oh shit dont give Syd those things it'll fuck him up for life. No one really knew.
As an aside Peter Gabriel in the reunion is so right that a book needs to be written about the male British pop music 'impresarios'. Simon Napier-Bells books are great, but only one persons (very salacious lol) perspective. Thanks for this interview John.
did i really just hear u ask, "So it was Syd that stood out instead of Roger?" ??!!!?!?!?!??!???!!!!!??!??!?
OF COURSE IT WAS SYD!
Syd was the force, the genesis of the Pink Floyd!
everyone and anyone who knows the early Floyd knows Roger Waters was not yet the guy he blossomed into in those early days.
Syd was the key that opened the door for Roger to eventually walk thru!
OF COURSE IT WAS SYD!!! c'mon now! he was rock's peter pan.
SHINE ON SYD!
Syd was the talent, but by reading books like "Pigs Might Fly" by Mark Blake, you get the impression that Roger was the leading or driving force of the band. I got a view of Syd like an extremely talented person, way more than the others, but not that interested in succeeding, or even just burnt out because of the INSANE touring schedules they got on the sixties. On the other hand, it was Rog who was more about going on and on an on with the work. Sometimes being the main creator not necesarily means being the more pushy, leading one in the band.
"...Roger's inate lack of musicality." 😁
@@Johnedgintondocumentaris Thanks. What's "nicegram"?
It's noteworthy that the hook of "Vegetable Man" resembles the hook in the theme song for the 1961-1963 TV show _Car 54, Where Are You?_
I always heard a bit of the original Batman TV series theme song in it as well.
Brilliant
Several songs from Syd Barrett solo albums were like Pink Floyd songs.
For example...on Atom Heart Mother you have on side 2..."IF", "SUMMER 68", "FAT OLD SUN"...If you placed "DOMINOS" between "SUMMER 68" and "FAT OLD SUN" it fits quite nicely. Stylistically "Dominos " is based off of the same approach musically in sound and structure.
Additionally there are Barrett songs which fit into Ummagumma, More, and Meddle. Songs like "OCTOPUS", "GOLDEN HAIR", BABY LEMONADE" "WINED AND DINED" and "WOLFPACK" are very Pink Floyd sounding.
If you play Syd Barrett songs on the guitar then sit down one day and strum along to "MOTHER" from The Wall and see if it doesn't remind you of Syd. Even the tone of the vocal..."Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb?" sounds like Syd Barrett's voice. There are many similarities in later Pink Floyd to Syd Barrett. The reason why a lot of people don't hear it is because theyre thinking about the way Syd Barrett sang BIKE or SEE EMILY PLAY. Thats much earlier and doesn't fit into the darker songs from Meddle and Atom Heart Mother.
On Barrett solo albums his voice was much deeper and the chord progressions were more gloomy like "IF" and "Fat Old Sun" or even "San Tropez"...I can hear Syd playing and singing those songs and along with Rick Wright organ...it sounds like Pink Floyd.
If the song "OPAL" had been recorded with a band and a choir it would have sounded just as epic as any of the songs on The Wall or Dark Side that contain female harmony back up vocal.
'Opel' also sounds remarkably like 'The Crying Song'. Was that why Gilmour left it off 'The Madcap Laughs' ?
@raynobbitt6521 good question
Good comment. I look at the floyd almost as a literary event. I've often thought that basically it took David and Roger together to make 'one Syd Barrett'. Roger was always doing the experimental stuff. Though his training is in architecture he tries to be as visual as Syd. But he can't quite do it, I think he liked Gerald Scarfe because he drew much in the same way as we could 'imagine' Syd drawing, with more curves than straight lines. Roger as an architect really has to see a 'wall' where in Syd the divisions would be more like rivers blocking people from one another.
Somebody here mentioned doing a Syd screenplay, but I don't think such a thing can be done well til all the principles are dead. Its like a book that you can't understand til you get to the end, then you need to reread it becasue you found the end impacts the beginning, these interviews are great in what ISN"T said, the best line in all of them is Andrew King saying "I can't even talk about what I'd like to talk about for another twenty years". Who has to die before that happens?
Dave I think I read was basically dropped off at a boarding school, basically HE was an orphan as well, and the guy has always 'personally' carried the feeling around of Syd. What I mean by that I don't know, when he talks in interviews, when he sings, he just seems .....sad. Even when he smiles or is short in interviews he just seems sad, even when he talks about Polly and his happiness he just seems sad. Nick ALWAYS seems happy and he didn't know Syd that well, and Rick had all kinds of demons of his own and retreated out of the limelight.
From that angle, while Nick says that Dave and he kept Pink Floyd going out of spite to Roger, and no doubt also because their solo works weren't selling, as a 'iterary' story I imagine Dave also thinking that Pink Floyd was at that time all that remained of Syd, and abandoning it then was like chopping Syd out of history. Of course thats likely not true, but in WRITING about Pink Floyd I think that would have to be in there somewhere.
The 'great' thing about Floyd and Genesis are that these are in depth interviews with the first generation of young men who grew up AFTER the fall of the britiish empire. Only now that England has massive immigration and no longer looks 'white' is the population dealing with what it inflicted on populations all over the globe. Thats a horribly traumatic event for a culture, a class, and a people. Syd is almost symbolic of that fall because of course ALL empires are insane. YOu HAVE to make a population insane for them to believe that their life could be or should be sacrificed to benefit a whole different class of people who simply are the same skin colour as you and talk in the same language.
So Syd was that quintessentially british 'star' who HAD to disintegrate in the face of the american music invasion. The fact that Floyd could succeed, even moreso than Genesis, in creating a musical vision that was inherently 'european' is, as this guy says, amazing. That Roger would even slog on in solo projects that were blatantly uncommercial really does remind you of Roy Harper. And the capping insane irony is that MUCH of the way he was able to do that was through a song called "Money" which went on to be the hit which provided them with the very thing they were satirizing. Madness. That WILL need to be a movie or series.....someday. Its just too Shakespearean.
What can you say about Syd writing about scarecrows cats elephants space planets bikes depression etc he did have a child like writing his songs his guitar playing was very unique going from flat chords to major chords I would say Syd was more of an artist and the big time got to him he was more of a poet and would have suited being an artist instead of music which I think restricted him hope Syd found happiness later in life
Great interview. Funny though, I feel like I’m watching Michael McKean in spinal tap.
.....LET'S SPLIT.....
I’m tellin ya this is it!
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Nobody is right tonight height fight
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Yes, the impromptu instrumentals were where they “shined”. It’s what drew me to them when I was 13-17 years old. I never knew about Syd back then, it was the 5 albums before “Dark Side” that caught my interest. I don’t care for the 2 Syd albums and the commercial success later on was okay but not what interested me about PF.
Syd received his due. He is given the credit for all of the Floyd's inner circle.
Great interview and perspective, and I get the stuff about fame not necessarily being what you thought it would be, but believe it was a very small part of Syd’s issues. Floyd had not even cut a full album and he was barely famous when his mental break occurred. Whether it was the “lost weekend,” or more likely several weeks, it was a fast spiral. He was nearly a guru figure to - as others said - “messianic acid freaks.” They were dropping strong acid daily for weeks. That, and the fact that he was bright, gregarious, “shone like the sun” prior to then, leads me to believe his problems were almost solely about HPPD and permanent prefrontal cortex damage. All those around him then have some level of guilt today because they know now they should have gotten him out of that situation, even if they didn’t understand it all then and half of them were partially out of their minds themselves.
Permanent organic brain damage from LSD is extremely rare, I believe, even at high recreational doses, 500-1000 ug.
Yeah I suspect its all the above. Sometimes I compare to Ant Phillips, who SEEMS completely normal now, but yet has full on stage fright that he cant even perform live. That was based on glandular fever and the 'sledgehammer' where he USED to be the guy who loved 'prancing about on stage', to 'being catatonic'.
But I do tend to listen to the women, and several of them, from Rick Wrights girifriend, to Andrew Kings wife or ex wife, to his girlfriend, who says that 'going commercial was a terrible wrench'. When you go 'tripping for days' then clearly something is up mentally.
But many of the things he had problems with are, as Roger says, indicative of schizophrenia, we should remember that peopls brains are all different. LIke music theory these are things we are essentially describing AFTER the fact. So maybe you can best dsecribe what he suffered as as "Sydism".
Funny, both Joe Boyd and Peter here find Syd's later solo albums disturbing, and not as good as the early stuff. Where David Gilmour considers the solo albums to be better songs, just not as polished. I have to agree with Joe and Peter, they are disturbing and not as good. Though there are some gold nuggets to be found there, as Joe noted.
spot on comment.
I handed you a demo tape that you loved years ago in the 80s in fact you danced around the room to it
I think you were working for chrysalis records or charisma records in London but when your talent scouts came out they were not too struck on the group
"Interstellar Overdrive". I think he means "My Little Red Book".
Hey John, I notice you've been hit with scammers all of a sudden. I've reported the ones I've seen for you👀
Thank you !
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES Your welcome! Team work makes the dream work 🙌
Thanks John
Syd got older, but he certainly never grew up. This can also drive a person mad, refusing to grow up.
Is Gilmour doing the interview? 😳
No, John Edginton.
Did he state that Syd Barrett was inspired by a song from the american band Love? John admits he can´t sing it because it would be out of tune. But John says that song was Syd's original inspiration for Interestellar Ovedrive. Could it be ALONE AGAIN OR?
I am an absolute beginner and I admit that by playing other people's songs you sort of destroy it to a point beyong "covering" it and you get to create something new.
I believe the Love song in question was My Little Red Book.
Yes early versions of Interstellar Overdrive you can hear the same bass rhythm of My Little Red Book, also as time went on the long over 18 mins track on Love’s Da Capo album Revelation. Probably the first long jamming track on any rock album apart from Paul Butterfield Bands East-West album and the over 13 mins title track! Released August 1966 and Da Capo November 1966! There was The Great Society Sally Go Round the Roses but the live recording from 1966 was not available until their recordings were released in the U.K. in 1968!
@@roygoad2870 Spot on! I love the BBC Sessions album
@@didakelx I can't remember which musician it was, maybe Bob Klose, but said that exact thing. When you are bad you copy, and copy it so badly that it comes out as an original. I used to say a good idea is to listen to music that is just out of range so you can just barely hear it.
For some reason, Peter Jenner didn't list the session musicians on the initial May 28,1968 recording sessions which finally appeared on "Opel" ~
Lanky Part 1
Swan Lee (Silas Lang)
"The Madcap Laughs" Japanese Import ~
Rhamadam - Instrumental
There was an early Floyd song i taped many years ago,which i no longer have. It had the pipe organ,,Rick sang,i think David may have played the middle 8 psychedelic guitar bit,i don't think it was Syd l. It was upbeat,about 6 minutes long and had the lyric; "captured in time now that movements are all mine". Do you happen to know the song title?
That sounds sort of close to lyrics in Cymbaline, but I think you are talking about the concert at Abbeye de Rayoument in France in 1971, where they only played Set the controls, Cymbaline and Atom heart mother. Can't help any more , sorry.
I'm wondering if it was a song called"holiday"" which was written and sung by Richard. It was a little over 6 minutes long and may have been an early work. I also believe that the word holiday was in the 1rst verse
@@calliopivogiatzis2235Holiday is on his solo album, those aren't on the lyric sheet. They certainly SOUND Pink Floydish.
Sounds like Gilmour
20:46 Spot on!
Is it true Peter Jenner went to see The Wall concert and walked out?
"Nick, had his very unique drum sound which was you know he wasn't a great drummer"
- Peter Jenner
C'mon man!
Perfect drummer for those guys he was fire in live at Pompeii
@@regandunn4850 He has been fire his whole career as far as I'm concerned. I'm just calling out Peter for what he said in this interview about Nick.
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Peter Jenner must be kidding!
Roger Waters and David Gilmour "produced" the worst tracks on The Madcap Laughs!
Dark Globe
Long Gone
She Took A Long Cold Look
Feel
If It's In You
Malcolm Jones was doing a great job Producing the sessions after Peter Jenner's initial sessions, but Barrett told Jones that he wanted Roger Waters and David Gilmour to finish producing the album.
They should have instead included the following Peter Jenner produced tracks ~
Lanky Part 1
Swan Lee (Silas Lang)
Clowns And Jugglers
And the Malcolm Jones produced track ~
Opel
Opel and long gone are my favourite's , pure genius, in "long gone" the verse and chorus are reversed, who has done that since or before ? Not many
Yes exactly, what I always found weird is how Malcolm said there was no problem working with Syd on the first half songs while Rog and Dav said it was hard on the second half. It's like they sabotaged him on purpose, they had a tight deadline or Syd was just being difficult with them. We'll never know sadly.
@@tacituscornwall918 What I've read I the past is that Waters and Gilmour were busy getting the Ummagumma L.P. ready for release so they didn't have time to help Barrett out on his solo album.
Nah peters hurting over syd you know
The song I think of when I listen to all these floyd interviews is John Lennons "Imagine". One of the most peace inducing songs, and yet what impact did it have? Zero. Its hardly ever even played on radio. Captain Beefheart kept working and innovating for another decade after Syd. What impact has that had? Virtually none that I know of. I think the people thinking Syd WAS going to do soemthing 'magical' in music are just wishful thinking. Even Live 8 and Live Aid had a 'money impact' but really changed nothing. Meanwhile the STORY of Syd has fostered something else entirely, as others have said, its likely Syd's contribution was, the story of Syd. Nothing to do with Syd at all. Even Nick Drake never had much impact. But then who knows, in the future somebody takes a Syd song and finds out the chemical equation for turning base metals into gold is hidden in the lyric?
The one thing I still don't get from these, is if Syd was making solo albums with Floyd producing, why didn't Floyd simply do Syd's songs? They keep saying thats what they WANTED to do, for him to become Brian Wilson. So then he came up with the songs, but then they said 'fuc it, leave that for his solo album'.
He could no longer write to the quality he was doing pre-breakdown. That’s when they could get him to write.
@@bradelenbaas76 I don't get what you mean, if you mean they didn't think the songs were good enough dave says on the second album they could have been done to a pretty high degree....had they bothered.
Maybe the songs had gotten 'too personal' so they felt they couldn't really sell it.
Pretty obviously the songs Syd was writing were nowhere near commercial or tailored to the Floyd sound. They helped out in the production to help him get it done. The Syd lps would never have been finished without Gilmore - EMI we're about to pull the plug on him.
@@robertloader9826 Dominoes is sure as hell more commercial than Careful with that Axe Eugene or Atom Heart Mother.
@@mikearchibald744 haha true
What I find fascinating is how Pink Floyd and Grateful Dead are very similar in so many ways.
Pig pen and Syd Barrett are similar??
@@dannyhood7433 Yeah mmm but they both sung great versions of Slim Harpo’s I’am a King Bee 🐝 in 1965. Yes of course the bands have the same timeline, managed to progress with different band members, amazing cult followers to this day, you could say cultural icons even! Aaaa 🤔
can you elaborate on that view?
both are favourite bands of mine and I would like to know your parallel, please!
@@eugenegd2112 The influence of LSD is another major factor in both these bands. Both bands didn’t really reach a mainstream audience until around 1972. Certainly the concerts became major events from 1969 with increasing popularity. Also the number of albums sold was probably very similar. They both never were a commercial success in the first couple of years, 1965/6.
Professional incompetence yes it works lol😅
The real story here imo isn't really Syd (who was vital initially) but its Roger Waters. It's Roger who took the flame and ran with it by producing some of the greatest lyrics in music history. If you watch early PF video you will see Roger isn't all the musically inclined, couldn't really sing at high level and frankly looked awkward on stage. He undergoes a complete transformation after Syd death and now at 80 years old is still producing excellent content. Syd was only musically active for less than 10 years. Syd was the spark but its Roger who was the true diamond.
As you said, iyo. And for your information, Syd died in 2006.
Roger became the de facto leader way before that. That being said, Roger needed the rest of the Floyd to increase his own limited creative output, but this is often overlooked by you Waters' fanboys and girls.
Too much of a person obsession for someone with expanded consciousness, haha. Grow up.
@@eugenegd2112 There is a reason pink floyd is pink floyd, everything about the band is as nuts as Syd. And as they say 'which ones Pink'? As said above, Floyd was ALWAYS more than the sum of its parts, much like Genesis. The Wall for example, was a hit as much to do with Bob Ezrin as Waters or Floyd. Comfortably Numb has sublime lyrics, but only got done because Ezrin insisted on a song 'from pinks point of view'. And the music was leftover from Daves solo album. Then Bob sent Dave to a disco as motivation and we ended up with another brick part 2. How many 'hit songs' are called 'part 2' and have only one verse AND children singing as much as the lyricist.
Nuts, its all nuts. To tout Roger TOO much is laughable after "the pros and cons of hitchhiking". Roy Harper wrote some sublime songs and nobody has heard of him in the main. Just like Anthonly Phillips and Steve Hackett have put out ten times the music of genesis but almost nobody has heard of them.
I get your point, its just nuts that a guy like that could or would do that, and bless him, while the guy seems a supreme malcontent, he's out there trying to change the world.
But NOBODY is going to be making documentaries like this about all the people 'affected by Roger'. Or Dave.
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Gotta stop here, especially 'cause of the Motörhead connection
Here's the thing. All these years later, all that any of the fans care about are the band members and especially Syd. The producers and all the extraneous people that were surrounding them even though they were the ones putting out the records didn't mean squat.
EMI looking for a new Beatles lighted upon the Pink Floyd and gave them an inordinate amount of studio time and technical help. Eventually made ' Dark Side of the Moon ' an album I do not like at all. He went on to manage Billy Bragg.
OK, the beatles weren't a band they were studio writers.dont compare them to any band.
Despite the fact they played over 3000 shows between 1960/66..yes🤡
They wrote most of their best stuff sitting in a studio with time on their hands, while other bands were touring as well. And don't forget, most fans don't include Pete as a real Beatle or Stu.@@indigohammer5732
I'm still kicking myself for not buying the 1990s Syd Barrett Crazy Diamond (1993 EMI Harvest) box set of rarities, that's a good place to start, along with his two solo LPs and Opel. I wish they'd re-release all of that as one big box set at some point. The orig. price was rather high, as I recall.
I have it if you’d like to buy it.
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