It is actually terrifying how accurately your analogy about Snyder making this movie "the way someone would make a movie for dogs" explained my feelings about Rebel Moon. I watched the entire run in one sitting and had so many criticisms, mainly around the pacing, character development, and random shit. At the same time in almost every scene there was at least one thing that I absolutely loved, which sort of balanced out the viewing experience. Rebel Moon felt like someone (maybe a close friend of mine) had offhandedly listed things that I love in fiction and Zack Snyder decided to make a movie I specifically would enjoy. The end result was a movie I found flawed in many ways but at the same time couldn't bring myself to hate --it was almost like an uncanny thing. I couldn't put the exact feeling into words but yeah, I am absolutely the dog in the analogy.
Well, maybe I wasn't one of the people that this movie was made for, but I also LOVED the "dog" illustration. But yeah, the pacing in this movie was driving me crazy. It felt simultaneously rushed (in the way the team was assembled like a rushed RPG game) and too slow (I think the characters just didn't grab me). Maybe I'm just not a "Zack Snyder" guy.
Zack heard that Henry Cavill was working on a Warhammer 40k project for Prime - So he beats him to the punch with a Warhammer meets Battle Beyond the Stars series for Netflix. We will all have forgotten Rebel Moon by the time Warhammer finally airs.
That's my pet peeve for Mediaeval-setting movies too. . . where the tapestries look the way they look NOW -- all faded and dulled by the intervention centuries. Unlike the average Mediaeval illuminated manuscript, tapestries got exposed to sunlight, and periodic beatings to clean off the dust, they therefore suffered more loss of pigment brilliance. But when they were new, Mediaeval tapestries had some brilliant colors -- they didn't look faded from the start!
That's my pet peeve for Mediaeval-setting movies too. . . where the tapestries look the way they look NOW -- all faded and dulled by the intervening centuries. Unlike the average Mediaeval illuminated manuscript, tapestries got exposed to sunlight, and periodic beatings to clean off the dust, they therefore suffered more loss of pigment brilliance. But when they were new, Mediaeval tapestries had some brilliant colors -- they didn't look faded from the start!
Snyder knowing there exists something that looks cool without really understanding why it looks that way isn't a conspiracy theory... it's just how deep his comprehension of things is.
Think of the movie like a trip to the proctologist, the first half hour everything is fine, you're signing in and a nurse gives you a big smile, but as soon as the doctor gets to you things start to get uncomfortable....
LOTR set the template for modern fantasy and Star Wars set the template for modern science fiction. People were more accepting of that up until the franchise went downhill. Now, anything Star Wars-ish has to contend with accusations of being a vague rip-off to something a lot of people legitimately hate. LOTR won’t suffer the same fate due to Rings of Power being so terrible and so different from the source material that it’s only connected by money and legal rights. Coming right out and saying this was a rejected Star Wars script wasn’t the draw Netflix counted on like Amazon was clearly trying with ROP. If anything, it probably turned off die hard fans
The ex stormtrooper thing is old now. Someone do a story where a rebel troop gets mixed in with a group of stormtroopers and he likes it. He likes how there’s one philosophy and one method as opposed to 7 different ideologies with different approaches in the rebellion. He likes getting fed regularly. Likes being transported in new, well kept transports. Likes getting paid every two weeks.
"I was really paying attention and it still felt like I was missing entire scenes" You described the first and only time I saw Force Awakens. The jump around in that movie was way different than previous movies and there seemed to be no no coherent explanation of why they kept transitioning between places, why did they just find the falcon randomly, why is there no security system, why can Rey just fly it with insane skill and no experience flying any ship, why do they then nonsensical met Han on some garbage ship at the exact momyhe was being attacked and right after finding his ship, why/when did they go to forest planet with "not female yoda", why is the lightsaber there, and why Rey suddenly had Jedi powers with no training. I think someone described it as a need to shove as many vistas in as possible because "that's star wars!"... I walked out of the theater confused, not comprehending that I would ever hate a new star wars movie.
Something funny about how similar Rebel Moon and Rogue One are, is both movies start with a version of the opening of Inglourious Basterds. They both do their version of the Hans Landa farm house interrogation; and for all the problems Rebel Moon has, Rebel Moon pulls it off vastly better than Rogue One. In fact, the two characters in Rogue One and Rebel Moon (played by Ben Mendelsohn and Ed Skrein) filling that Landa role are essential the same characters. Rebel Moon pulls that character off better too, since he at least has a good scene, and doesn’t have the problem Rogue One has where the guy that’s the main villain of the movie ends up getting overshadowed by other villain characters. And speaking of Tarantino, movies that are takes on other things, and The Getaway. Since The Getaway is still fresh in your mind, you should watch From Dusk till Dawn, which in a way is a play on The Getaway, and in a way is a play on the books ending that doesn’t make it into either movie version. The book actually shows them in El Rey. I don’t know if you’ve every seen any Takashi Miike movies, but he’s got movie called 13 Assassins that’s pretty great. It’s a remake of a ‘60s movie, and it’s very Seven Samurai. And in 2017 he did an adaptation of Blade of the Immortal that in some ways feels like a more comic book version of 13 Assassins. He isn’t as prolific anymore, but from like the mid ‘90s to maybe just a few years ago he was easily one of the best working directors there was.
I used to think these people made movies in the manner they do because they thought the audience was comprised of idiots, but then the internet happened and then social media happened… and you were able to hear these people speak extemporaneously and it all made sense; one is only capable of creating things to their level of comprehension… they’re not writing stories and producing movies down to a level of some perceived audience, they’re writing stories and producing movies to their level of comprehension… they’re performing at their cognitive capacity.
From what I’ve read, Netflix wanted both a pg-13 cut and his directors cut. I’ll probably wait for the directors cut to check out part 2. You could really tell how they took out all the blood.
This is your movie on “live service”. The whole thing was cut up and setup in such a way that if you want the whole cake you have to order the director’s cut and special additions. But then you find out there are multiple installments and each given this treatment. Nah, screw this. Just make a freakin tv show.
Left this in the community post leaving it here so your channel gets thr youtube bucks lol. I genuinely enjoyed this movie but, I can totally understand why it wouldnt be everyone's cup of tea. I actually enjoyed that they did all the action in slow mo because it restricted all the camera movements to show super solid easy to follow action. There was no Shakey cam. It was all fluid shots. The films color gradient wasnt so dark that I needed to turn the brightness up. In fact I often found the colors and, backgrounds to be delightful. And, I thought it was a pretty great take on seven samurai in space.
I saw it today and it was terrible. Supposedly, the R-rated version is supposed to be better. They say that cut is a totally different movie. I believe it because the Snyder cut of Justice League was completely different from the theatrical cut, but his cut was four hours long. It’s twice as long as the theatrical cut. Splitting up a movie in to a miniseries is exactly what Quinten Tarantino did with the Hateful Eight. The theatrical cut was two hours and 47 minutes long. The extended cut was three and a half hours long. However, instead of releasing it as a single film on Netflix, he split it up into four parts. I think part of Snyder’s problem is that he can’t tell a story in under two hours. Just about all of his movies are over the two hour mark. His extended cuts are even longer. I think he needs to work on being more concise. Many people criticized Rebel Moon for being so disjointed. That’s probably because he had to cut so much out to make the film as close as possible to two hours. Unlike other directors that add scenes that were cut from the film in order to make the extended cut, Snyder always plans some kind of an extended cut from the beginning. That’s a problem, and it shows in the quality of his work. Very few movies can work with a length of more than two hours. Snyder’s films don’t fall into that category. Even though I liked his cut of Justice League better, I couldn’t wait for it to end.
Totally agree...you cant possibly see the fight scenes in this movie and say they are "ok" or "realistic"... (the final fight between Cora and Noble in the end is ridiculous too)
The problem I have with it is he combined not only star wars and other ip like dune but he also used the plot of an episode of farscape and mixed in a little dirty dozen. It's like the book eragon from years ago. It was decently written but was nearly every fantasy trope kitbashed into one story.
The Star Wars pitch was before any of the Disney Star Wars movies had come out, and I think before all but the original Michael Arndt pre sale version of The Force Awakens had actually been written. The pitch is right from the beginning of the Disney buyout of Lucasfilm. I think rumors of it were going around shortly before they even announced JJ would be directing what would become The Force Awakens. That’s something I found kind of interesting while watching this. It had me wondering how much of what we’re seeing in this version of the movie was in the original Star Wars pitch version. Because a whole lot of stuff that’s in this is in a number of different Disney Star Wars movies. Apart just from Star Wars, the lead girl’s backstory is basically the backstory Gamora gets in Infinity War, and the Cantina as a brothel (which is apparently something they’ll show more of in the unrated version) is in Guardian’s of the Galaxy 2. It even kind of seems like it was going to lead into the Emperor having a kid, unless the girl was originally going to be Leia or a younger version of Rey.
So…what you’re hinting at is that maybe Disney stole a bunch of ideas from a pitch they rejected from a director with a history of super derivative writing? I mean, I guess anything is possible…
@@Newnodrogbob Perhaps. Although technically they’d probably own the pitch, so it likely wouldn’t really be “stealing” for them to use aspects from it if they wanted. It’s just interesting. And it makes me wonder how much of what is in Rebel Moon was part of the original pitch, and how much came after the fact. Because the timing of the pitch is before any Disney Star Wars anything came out. This movie is practically Rogue One...Rogue One takes even more from Inglourious Basterds than this, and also has a whole Apocalypse Now Colonel Kurtz section with Forest Whitaker, but they’re very similar movies. I’m also not sure Michael Arndt‘s pre JJ version of The Force Awakens even had Finn, it sounds like that version of the movie had a version of Rey traveling with Luke, and had the original Star Wars characters in it more. And at least the announcement of JJ Abrams being on The Force Awakens comes after rumors that Zack Snyder was pitching a Star Wars movies. If Snyder’s pitched contained the former Stormtrooper character we see in Rebel Moon, it isn’t out of the question that, that idea found its way into The Force Awakens when Abrams and Kasdan were doing rewrites in the year between JJ came on board and they cast the movie. Some of Rogue One and Rebel Moon similarities could also just be coincidentally. It could be purely coincidence that they both have Hans Landa type characters and rip-off the opening of Inglourious Basterds. Basterds was a big movie that was well regarded. Snyder pitched his Seven Samurai Star Wars movie three (almost four) years after Basterds, (or at least that’s when the pitch was first being talked about) Rogue One is announced five years after it. Just about every big Men-on-a-Mission movie since Basterds pulls from Basterds too; Captain America did, Woman Woman did, Overlord did, Valley of the Dead did. So this in and of itself doesn’t really mean anything. But still, the similarities are interesting, it does seem like there’s something to consider.
@@DIOBrando-ij2bp so…you’re definitely giving Inglorious Basterds too much credit. It was a parody of previous world war 2 flicks. I’m super curious what you think all of those other movies stole from it, since it was itself mostly a collection of well worn tropes…
I think the actress has a certain look but unless she has powers or bionic augmentation I don’t want to see a 120 lbs women throw around 250 lbs man anymore. This movie was made for people made with no internal dialogue, to him that is 70% of the population 😂
I don't mind a badass woman protagonist. It's not much more far fetched than a 190 lb man taking out dozens of large trained opponents on their own and we see that all the time and few people complain (John Wick, cough, cough). But they need to be able to move athletically, with fluidity and explosiveness, Sophia looks clunky and slow, and all the slow motion DOES NOT help her.
This is the current curse of big budget movie making by directors (JJ especially) and you deseibed it well: they think of scenes they want to film, and then fail to come up with anything compelling to stitch those scenes together. In ROS, JJ and Chris Terio still did not quite have a working draft of the script, but were already building the set for the charge of the space horses. Who in their right mind does this??
@@uuddlrlrbas9904 I'm not saying it's not dumb. I'm just saying that on screen they tell us that the purpose of the captive bolt gun is to paralyze the victim from the neck down. Since the victim is completely immobile afterwards, you'd think it'd be better to keep them in the walker, but I guess they've got other ways of transporting the crippled victims.
I went back and rewatched Man of Steel, I enjoyed the opening on Krypton, it seemed like he wanted to make a Panzer Dragoon movie. I'd watch that, keep the weird psuedo Japanese-German language, don't subtitle it, just a wild ride through a surreal world. I also think the action scenes in Man of Steel did a good job of conveying the horrors of a super hero/ Dragon Ball Z fight to the regular folk.
That opening scene on Krypton might be his best film making he's ever done. You can tell he was more of a hired hand on that movie. He had the story and script completely set up for him by Goyer and Nolan and had Nolan there over his shoulder to guide his hand. It has real sets with not near the green screen he usually employs and not one single slow-mo shot in the entire movie. The least Snydery movie he's ever made.
Ahh yes, Zach Snyder keeping up the tradition of creating the most expensive bowl of flavorless oatmeal that you ever tasted. As for the "concept art" section, I wholeheartedly agree except instead of mohawks we are given half-shaved heads with bow & arrows.
Modern industrial farmers with GMO seeds can grow enough food per year to feed 300 other people each. When the Spaniards found the Inca, their farmers could only support 6 other people each (including their own families). This number is a great thing to track over time and across civilizations.
I won't watch this movie because of Snyder's Geeks & Gamers backstabbing. But I hope Snyder fans will enjoy Rebel Moon. I will simply enjoy what I actually like instead.
My five minute jam rewrite with my buddy after watching: Kora escapes the assassination attempt with the princess, hides away near the space viking village. The Empire shows up, looking for rebels, starts messing with the villagers. Kora, once an evil soldier, is affected by the princess' compassion, as is hinted at in the movie, and risks saving the villagers because it's the right thing to do. Now, with the threat of the Empire's return and discovery of their stationed troops slaughter, she flees to a nearby city with the princess, but again, the Princess tells her that being a leader means taking risks, and the Princess wants to go back to defend the people they have endangered. In the city, they visit a gladiatorial arena and Kora enlists to fight as a means to gather a few top tier challengers to her cause. She impresses all the characters we see in the movie by defeating them in combat. They return. General Titus hatches a genius plan, using the kindly robot to load each of the fighters into surprise crates back onto the dreadnaught. They kill everyone, take over the ship and take the fight to Motherworld and restore the Princess to the throne for episode 2. Five minutes of thought. Literally.
Slow motion over some one pouring some seeds , really? This movie is hot garbage, Snyder is his worst enemy and stop with the BS that the 3 hour version is better I don't want to hear that crap he is not enough intelligent to make a good 2 hour movie he is done as a director.
I always like your calm, well-reasoned reviews. I go a bit more “culture warrior!!” than you do sometimes, but your cheerfulness and unbiased criticism are always welcome. Love the channel!
There should be a law we can charge snyder with for making such a bland movie with such INCREDIBLY COOL looking characters. these are easily some of the coolest looking characters in sci fi history and theyre all so BORING!
I'd say the same about Riddick as well. They spent all the effort on the box art and hype, and the contents is just the blandest (and slightly soggy) wheat cereal you can imagine.
@@joshuareynolds23 Nah. Seven samurai has been retread a number of times. Magnifiscent seven and the like. Even done in space before with the bounty hunters episode of the clone wars. Those werent bland...this was just bland. Everything was just exactly what youd expect at any moment without being particularly exciting. None of the characters had stand out personalities, and besides nemesis taking on the spider-lady...they didnt even have interesting action scenes. The only time the movie surprised me was when the rogue pilot betrayed them. And the only reason it surprised me was because it was SO OBVIOUS he was going to betray them I figured it was a misdirect. So it surprised me by being unsurprising even in that moment.
Snyder doesn’t human well either; very glad to hear someone with combat experience review fight scenes! Curious how bad witch-hat lady’s sword play actually is.
It's not bad though it's cinematic. The fights aren't meant to be accurate to real life fights they are meant to be dramatized. The fight between the witch hat lady and, the spider are meant to parallel what they've both lost.
That’s one diagnosis (the movies for dogs thing) but based on interviews surrounding Sucker Punch, it seemed more that he wrote storyboards for his wife, and/or children with the superhero ones, then slavishly manufactured a slow motion version of those animatics for the general population. It’s a potential explanation as to why so much of his content comes off as trying to demonstrate what he doesn’t understand.
Now that I think about it, even the weird coloring makes sense if he wants to make sure it's visually comprehensible even if we might have eyes that work like other animals', instead of human eyes.
Sounds like a total rehash of Samurai 7 aka The Magnificent seven (starring Steve mcqueen) aka Seven Samurai.... Also that "witch hat" looks like a traditional Korean hat - but I've only seen them worn by men. Concept creep also sounds a bit like Chronicles of Riddick - which is one of my favorite guilty pleasures.
Oh my god. I haven't seen the movie, haven't really seen any trailer, but just listening to your point at 26:40 makes me think it would have been a cool climax to hold back the empire until the blood axes arrive, because they may or may not decide to join. Probably makes for more drama and better action and I am upset now.
Zack its 2023, you can call yourself a terrorist, terrorize entire regions and upload it to social media while you do it... and people will still not call you a terrorist. I can kinda feel for him having Louis Lane do that. Like... nothing else would work lol.
I think it would have done better as a miniseries on cable than as a broken 2 part movie that started as a fetch quest where nothing REALLY happened leaving us to hope part 2 will actaly ha e a real plot. I do respect the fact that its a new IP and not some remake or some hacked in star wars thing. I didnt really swe the culture war stuff except for a 5'5" woman beating an entire unit of soldiers on her own. Thats just modern girl boss stuff not really culture war stuff. I get what you are saying but we know this is a girl boss to satisfy hollywood. She protects the guy from getting assaulted in the "gay" bar as well. I respect your take but i saw it differnt. Far worse was the mmo fetch quest that is all of part one and we are supposed to hope part 2 will have an actual story. That was way worse to me than the girl boss stuff.
"You son of a bitch, I'm in"- The Movie, basically. Looked cool but didn't really do much with what it had. Also glad someone else noticed how critically underutilized Djimon Honsou is. It's weird
i am writing this comment before actually pressing the play button just to say: no matter if i like this review and no matter if i agree with your conclusion, THAT is one of the best and curiosity inducing titles i have ever read. can't wait to hear you elaborate on it.
Just because something sounds like a monologue doesn't mean a deeper conversation isn't happening. My line of thinking usually helps root out false narratives.
You're right, a bunch of cool parts that are not fit together well. It reminds me of Rob Liefeld's Supreme from the 90s. The pitch is better than the finished product.
I've been spending days after watching it constructing a better version in my head as well, but it is because the 7 samurai story is such a cool concept, it's like the Akira Bike slide, but for movies, I can't get tired of seeing it everywhere. 5/7 movie, not a recommend.
The reason he makes movies like this is because he is a director of commercials. Every scene is made that way, to make an impression, not to tell a story. It is like 2 hour long trailers. The strange thing is that he lacks any form of imagination and will to create something new. I don't get how anyone can be so successful in a creative industry and be so totally uncreative.
I’ve never heard anyone accuse Snyder of being alt right. Also, there is nothing to “get” about him. He makes shallow, self indulgent horse shit and calls them movies. He’s the very definition of “style over substance”. But Rebel moon doesn’t even have any style. It’s an ugly, bland movie with a shallow depth of field.
I can't hate this movie... It was basically The Seven Samurai/The Magnificent Seven as a space opera, presented with striking Zac Snyder visuals, and frankly, that's my jam. The characters were pretty interesting even if the story was pretty derivative. I don't want to oversell it... It's far from the best movie I've ever seen. It's pretty far from the best Zac Snyder movie I've ever seen, but it's nowhere near as awful as many people say it is, and like I said: I can't hate it. PS. I also thought the villain was Nicholas Hoult. Did not see Ed Skrein in there at all until after I'd read the credits.
It is actually terrifying how accurately your analogy about Snyder making this movie "the way someone would make a movie for dogs" explained my feelings about Rebel Moon. I watched the entire run in one sitting and had so many criticisms, mainly around the pacing, character development, and random shit. At the same time in almost every scene there was at least one thing that I absolutely loved, which sort of balanced out the viewing experience.
Rebel Moon felt like someone (maybe a close friend of mine) had offhandedly listed things that I love in fiction and Zack Snyder decided to make a movie I specifically would enjoy. The end result was a movie I found flawed in many ways but at the same time couldn't bring myself to hate --it was almost like an uncanny thing. I couldn't put the exact feeling into words but yeah, I am absolutely the dog in the analogy.
Same. Such a surreal experience.
Well, maybe I wasn't one of the people that this movie was made for, but I also LOVED the "dog" illustration. But yeah, the pacing in this movie was driving me crazy. It felt simultaneously rushed (in the way the team was assembled like a rushed RPG game) and too slow (I think the characters just didn't grab me). Maybe I'm just not a "Zack Snyder" guy.
Zack heard that Henry Cavill was working on a Warhammer 40k project for Prime - So he beats him to the punch with a Warhammer meets Battle Beyond the Stars series for Netflix.
We will all have forgotten Rebel Moon by the time Warhammer finally airs.
"Zack Snyder doesn't know the Coliseum didn't always look that way" is my new favorite conspiracy theory
That's my pet peeve for Mediaeval-setting movies too. . . where the tapestries look the way they look NOW -- all faded and dulled by the intervention centuries. Unlike the average Mediaeval illuminated manuscript, tapestries got exposed to sunlight, and periodic beatings to clean off the dust, they therefore suffered more loss of pigment brilliance.
But when they were new, Mediaeval tapestries had some brilliant colors -- they didn't look faded from the start!
That's my pet peeve for Mediaeval-setting movies too. . . where the tapestries look the way they look NOW -- all faded and dulled by the intervening centuries. Unlike the average Mediaeval illuminated manuscript, tapestries got exposed to sunlight, and periodic beatings to clean off the dust, they therefore suffered more loss of pigment brilliance.
But when they were new, Mediaeval tapestries had some brilliant colors -- they didn't look faded from the start!
Snyder knowing there exists something that looks cool without really understanding why it looks that way isn't a conspiracy theory... it's just how deep his comprehension of things is.
Think of the movie like a trip to the proctologist, the first half hour everything is fine, you're signing in and a nurse gives you a big smile, but as soon as the doctor gets to you things start to get uncomfortable....
Now there's a new way to give them the finger.....
A character called The Proctologist.
Yeah and I'm getting disturbingly close to needing to get my first one, something I'm definitely not looking forward to. . .
LOTR set the template for modern fantasy and Star Wars set the template for modern science fiction. People were more accepting of that up until the franchise went downhill. Now, anything Star Wars-ish has to contend with accusations of being a vague rip-off to something a lot of people legitimately hate. LOTR won’t suffer the same fate due to Rings of Power being so terrible and so different from the source material that it’s only connected by money and legal rights. Coming right out and saying this was a rejected Star Wars script wasn’t the draw Netflix counted on like Amazon was clearly trying with ROP. If anything, it probably turned off die hard fans
The ex stormtrooper thing is old now.
Someone do a story where a rebel troop gets mixed in with a group of stormtroopers and he likes it.
He likes how there’s one philosophy and one method as opposed to 7 different ideologies with different approaches in the rebellion. He likes getting fed regularly. Likes being transported in new, well kept transports. Likes getting paid every two weeks.
If Zack Snyder and John Woo were to co-direct a movie, it would be like an infinite cut of the slo-mo guys of CZcams.
I shared this observation with multiple people. It might be the most on the nose, brutal takedown of Snyder's storytelling I've ever seen.
"I was really paying attention and it still felt like I was missing entire scenes"
You described the first and only time I saw Force Awakens. The jump around in that movie was way different than previous movies and there seemed to be no no coherent explanation of why they kept transitioning between places, why did they just find the falcon randomly, why is there no security system, why can Rey just fly it with insane skill and no experience flying any ship, why do they then nonsensical met Han on some garbage ship at the exact momyhe was being attacked and right after finding his ship, why/when did they go to forest planet with "not female yoda", why is the lightsaber there, and why Rey suddenly had Jedi powers with no training. I think someone described it as a need to shove as many vistas in as possible because "that's star wars!"... I walked out of the theater confused, not comprehending that I would ever hate a new star wars movie.
Concept art: the movie lmao thats exactly it. You nailed it
Yup. Animated posters, not a movie.
Something funny about how similar Rebel Moon and Rogue One are, is both movies start with a version of the opening of Inglourious Basterds. They both do their version of the Hans Landa farm house interrogation; and for all the problems Rebel Moon has, Rebel Moon pulls it off vastly better than Rogue One. In fact, the two characters in Rogue One and Rebel Moon (played by Ben Mendelsohn and Ed Skrein) filling that Landa role are essential the same characters. Rebel Moon pulls that character off better too, since he at least has a good scene, and doesn’t have the problem Rogue One has where the guy that’s the main villain of the movie ends up getting overshadowed by other villain characters.
And speaking of Tarantino, movies that are takes on other things, and The Getaway. Since The Getaway is still fresh in your mind, you should watch From Dusk till Dawn, which in a way is a play on The Getaway, and in a way is a play on the books ending that doesn’t make it into either movie version. The book actually shows them in El Rey.
I don’t know if you’ve every seen any Takashi Miike movies, but he’s got movie called 13 Assassins that’s pretty great. It’s a remake of a ‘60s movie, and it’s very Seven Samurai. And in 2017 he did an adaptation of Blade of the Immortal that in some ways feels like a more comic book version of 13 Assassins. He isn’t as prolific anymore, but from like the mid ‘90s to maybe just a few years ago he was easily one of the best working directors there was.
Watching the 1990 version now. Will check out Miike from 2010 and Blade of the Immortal. Good stuff
Zack Snyder is too proud to make a miniseries
I used to think these people made movies in the manner they do because they thought the audience was comprised of idiots, but then the internet happened and then social media happened… and you were able to hear these people speak extemporaneously and it all made sense; one is only capable of creating things to their level of comprehension… they’re not writing stories and producing movies down to a level of some perceived audience, they’re writing stories and producing movies to their level of comprehension… they’re performing at their cognitive capacity.
From what I’ve read, Netflix wanted both a pg-13 cut and his directors cut. I’ll probably wait for the directors cut to check out part 2. You could really tell how they took out all the blood.
It was fine though I loved it.
This is your movie on “live service”. The whole thing was cut up and setup in such a way that if you want the whole cake you have to order the director’s cut and special additions. But then you find out there are multiple installments and each given this treatment. Nah, screw this. Just make a freakin tv show.
This might be the greatest review ever made. That dog part was priceless. 😂😂😂
Left this in the community post leaving it here so your channel gets thr youtube bucks lol.
I genuinely enjoyed this movie but, I can totally understand why it wouldnt be everyone's cup of tea. I actually enjoyed that they did all the action in slow mo because it restricted all the camera movements to show super solid easy to follow action. There was no Shakey cam. It was all fluid shots. The films color gradient wasnt so dark that I needed to turn the brightness up. In fact I often found the colors and, backgrounds to be delightful. And, I thought it was a pretty great take on seven samurai in space.
This movie made me excited for more product.
I saw it today and it was terrible. Supposedly, the R-rated version is supposed to be better. They say that cut is a totally different movie. I believe it because the Snyder cut of Justice League was completely different from the theatrical cut, but his cut was four hours long. It’s twice as long as the theatrical cut.
Splitting up a movie in to a miniseries is exactly what Quinten Tarantino did with the Hateful Eight. The theatrical cut was two hours and 47 minutes long. The extended cut was three and a half hours long. However, instead of releasing it as a single film on Netflix, he split it up into four parts.
I think part of Snyder’s problem is that he can’t tell a story in under two hours. Just about all of his movies are over the two hour mark. His extended cuts are even longer. I think he needs to work on being more concise. Many people criticized Rebel Moon for being so disjointed. That’s probably because he had to cut so much out to make the film as close as possible to two hours. Unlike other directors that add scenes that were cut from the film in order to make the extended cut, Snyder always plans some kind of an extended cut from the beginning. That’s a problem, and it shows in the quality of his work. Very few movies can work with a length of more than two hours. Snyder’s films don’t fall into that category. Even though I liked his cut of Justice League better, I couldn’t wait for it to end.
Dude! That barn fight was the worst... the soldiers took turns fighting her, making sure to shoot around her 😂😂
Totally agree...you cant possibly see the fight scenes in this movie and say they are "ok" or "realistic"...
(the final fight between Cora and Noble in the end is ridiculous too)
I think how it's packaged is idiocy specific to Netflix. Like that CG Resident Evil movie that got broken up into four parts and called a series.
And poor Mags was so proud about “owning” some nebulous group….. feel bad for that train wreak of a human….
Is mags even human anymore? I mean maybe genetically, like how if you scraped the shadows from Hiroshima or Nagasaki there was some human there?
The problem I have with it is he combined not only star wars and other ip like dune but he also used the plot of an episode of farscape and mixed in a little dirty dozen. It's like the book eragon from years ago. It was decently written but was nearly every fantasy trope kitbashed into one story.
No the writing was terrible you can have tropes and still be a good movie
@Galvatronover I meant the book eragon was decently written lol
The Star Wars pitch was before any of the Disney Star Wars movies had come out, and I think before all but the original Michael Arndt pre sale version of The Force Awakens had actually been written. The pitch is right from the beginning of the Disney buyout of Lucasfilm. I think rumors of it were going around shortly before they even announced JJ would be directing what would become The Force Awakens. That’s something I found kind of interesting while watching this. It had me wondering how much of what we’re seeing in this version of the movie was in the original Star Wars pitch version. Because a whole lot of stuff that’s in this is in a number of different Disney Star Wars movies. Apart just from Star Wars, the lead girl’s backstory is basically the backstory Gamora gets in Infinity War, and the Cantina as a brothel (which is apparently something they’ll show more of in the unrated version) is in Guardian’s of the Galaxy 2. It even kind of seems like it was going to lead into the Emperor having a kid, unless the girl was originally going to be Leia or a younger version of Rey.
So…what you’re hinting at is that maybe Disney stole a bunch of ideas from a pitch they rejected from a director with a history of super derivative writing? I mean, I guess anything is possible…
@@Newnodrogbob Perhaps. Although technically they’d probably own the pitch, so it likely wouldn’t really be “stealing” for them to use aspects from it if they wanted.
It’s just interesting. And it makes me wonder how much of what is in Rebel Moon was part of the original pitch, and how much came after the fact. Because the timing of the pitch is before any Disney Star Wars anything came out. This movie is practically Rogue One...Rogue One takes even more from Inglourious Basterds than this, and also has a whole Apocalypse Now Colonel Kurtz section with Forest Whitaker, but they’re very similar movies. I’m also not sure Michael Arndt‘s pre JJ version of The Force Awakens even had Finn, it sounds like that version of the movie had a version of Rey traveling with Luke, and had the original Star Wars characters in it more. And at least the announcement of JJ Abrams being on The Force Awakens comes after rumors that Zack Snyder was pitching a Star Wars movies. If Snyder’s pitched contained the former Stormtrooper character we see in Rebel Moon, it isn’t out of the question that, that idea found its way into The Force Awakens when Abrams and Kasdan were doing rewrites in the year between JJ came on board and they cast the movie.
Some of Rogue One and Rebel Moon similarities could also just be coincidentally. It could be purely coincidence that they both have Hans Landa type characters and rip-off the opening of Inglourious Basterds. Basterds was a big movie that was well regarded. Snyder pitched his Seven Samurai Star Wars movie three (almost four) years after Basterds, (or at least that’s when the pitch was first being talked about) Rogue One is announced five years after it. Just about every big Men-on-a-Mission movie since Basterds pulls from Basterds too; Captain America did, Woman Woman did, Overlord did, Valley of the Dead did. So this in and of itself doesn’t really mean anything. But still, the similarities are interesting, it does seem like there’s something to consider.
@@DIOBrando-ij2bp so…you’re definitely giving Inglorious Basterds too much credit. It was a parody of previous world war 2 flicks. I’m super curious what you think all of those other movies stole from it, since it was itself mostly a collection of well worn tropes…
I think the actress has a certain look but unless she has powers or bionic augmentation I don’t want to see a 120 lbs women throw around 250 lbs man anymore. This movie was made for people made with no internal dialogue, to him that is 70% of the population 😂
I don't mind a badass woman protagonist. It's not much more far fetched than a 190 lb man taking out dozens of large trained opponents on their own and we see that all the time and few people complain (John Wick, cough, cough). But they need to be able to move athletically, with fluidity and explosiveness, Sophia looks clunky and slow, and all the slow motion DOES NOT help her.
Zack Snyders presents... Star Worse
Next one will be The Empire Sucks Ass.
I really hated this one. Just no characters worked, and I hesitate to call most of them characters.
This is the current curse of big budget movie making by directors (JJ especially) and you deseibed it well: they think of scenes they want to film, and then fail to come up with anything compelling to stitch those scenes together.
In ROS, JJ and Chris Terio still did not quite have a working draft of the script, but were already building the set for the charge of the space horses. Who in their right mind does this??
28:20 the device wasn't meant to execute the prisoners. It was meant to paralyze them while keeping them alive.
Then why does taking out the paralyzer punch release them
@@uuddlrlrbas9904 I'm not saying it's not dumb. I'm just saying that on screen they tell us that the purpose of the captive bolt gun is to paralyze the victim from the neck down.
Since the victim is completely immobile afterwards, you'd think it'd be better to keep them in the walker, but I guess they've got other ways of transporting the crippled victims.
Articles are saying it is the most watched movie in Netflix history
Im sure the Titanic and the Hindenberg both sold a lot of newspapers.
@@cameronjames3499 nice try Cameron. The Hindenburg crashed into the Titanic in the 1300’s. 50 years before newspapers were invented.
Oh, Man! Great observations, Richard. The coliseum bit, "irrigate the universe", "human Navi". Classic commentary that had me rollin'!
I went back and rewatched Man of Steel, I enjoyed the opening on Krypton, it seemed like he wanted to make a Panzer Dragoon movie. I'd watch that, keep the weird psuedo Japanese-German language, don't subtitle it, just a wild ride through a surreal world. I also think the action scenes in Man of Steel did a good job of conveying the horrors of a super hero/ Dragon Ball Z fight to the regular folk.
That opening scene on Krypton might be his best film making he's ever done. You can tell he was more of a hired hand on that movie. He had the story and script completely set up for him by Goyer and Nolan and had Nolan there over his shoulder to guide his hand. It has real sets with not near the green screen he usually employs and not one single slow-mo shot in the entire movie. The least Snydery movie he's ever made.
This video is a solid argument for Zack Snyder being AI.
Man, mags was so right! I’m soooo jealous🙄
Just watch Battle Beyond the Stars.
Ahh yes, Zach Snyder keeping up the tradition of creating the most expensive bowl of flavorless oatmeal that you ever tasted. As for the "concept art" section, I wholeheartedly agree except instead of mohawks we are given half-shaved heads with bow & arrows.
honestly a movie specifically for dogs sounds amazing if done right, some dogs love watching tv
Asian swordswomans hat is based off medieval Korean hats, because the actress is Korean. Doesn't really make it any better, but it's not a pilgrim hat
Modern industrial farmers with GMO seeds can grow enough food per year to feed 300 other people each. When the Spaniards found the Inca, their farmers could only support 6 other people each (including their own families). This number is a great thing to track over time and across civilizations.
I won't watch this movie because of Snyder's Geeks & Gamers backstabbing.
But I hope Snyder fans will enjoy Rebel Moon. I will simply enjoy what I actually like instead.
My five minute jam rewrite with my buddy after watching:
Kora escapes the assassination attempt with the princess, hides away near the space viking village. The Empire shows up, looking for rebels, starts messing with the villagers. Kora, once an evil soldier, is affected by the princess' compassion, as is hinted at in the movie, and risks saving the villagers because it's the right thing to do.
Now, with the threat of the Empire's return and discovery of their stationed troops slaughter, she flees to a nearby city with the princess, but again, the Princess tells her that being a leader means taking risks, and the Princess wants to go back to defend the people they have endangered.
In the city, they visit a gladiatorial arena and Kora enlists to fight as a means to gather a few top tier challengers to her cause. She impresses all the characters we see in the movie by defeating them in combat.
They return. General Titus hatches a genius plan, using the kindly robot to load each of the fighters into surprise crates back onto the dreadnaught. They kill everyone, take over the ship and take the fight to Motherworld and restore the Princess to the throne for episode 2.
Five minutes of thought. Literally.
Snyder should have helmed the edgy 90s Image Comics Cinematic Universe. Spawn, Youngblood, Wildcats etc would fit him.
I think the bolt socket at the back of the capture chairs was just to paralyze the prisoners to make escape hopeless. kind of a sinister & cruel idea.
Slow motion over some one pouring some seeds , really? This movie is hot garbage, Snyder is his worst enemy and stop with the BS that the 3 hour version is better I don't want to hear that crap he is not enough intelligent to make a good 2 hour movie he is done as a director.
What about 300 ? Watchmen ? Man Of Steel ? Zack Snyder Justice League ?
I always like your calm, well-reasoned reviews. I go a bit more “culture warrior!!” than you do sometimes, but your cheerfulness and unbiased criticism are always welcome. Love the channel!
Culture warrior as in? Calling everything woke?
For all those who think this is the first Seven Samurai space opera, check out Battle Beyond the Stars. James Cameron worked on it.
Pretty sure there was also at least 2 clone wars episodes that also did takes on seven samurai
Sounds like the Cara Dune movie. She even had the same hair cut
Gina Carano would have played a more believable female lead for this movie
The way to show that she liked farming should have been her being excited to see the first sprouts to pop out.
There should be a law we can charge snyder with for making such a bland movie with such INCREDIBLY COOL looking characters.
these are easily some of the coolest looking characters in sci fi history and theyre all so BORING!
I'd say the same about Riddick as well. They spent all the effort on the box art and hype, and the contents is just the blandest (and slightly soggy) wheat cereal you can imagine.
I mean ya, Turok looks cool.
Zack Sneider isn't creative.
@@cameronjames3499 Riddik was never supposed to be complex movies. It is a dumb action movie, especially the last one.
It wasn't bland it's just a retred of an old movie. (It's seven samurai in space).
@@joshuareynolds23 Nah. Seven samurai has been retread a number of times. Magnifiscent seven and the like. Even done in space before with the bounty hunters episode of the clone wars. Those werent bland...this was just bland.
Everything was just exactly what youd expect at any moment without being particularly exciting. None of the characters had stand out personalities, and besides nemesis taking on the spider-lady...they didnt even have interesting action scenes.
The only time the movie surprised me was when the rogue pilot betrayed them. And the only reason it surprised me was because it was SO OBVIOUS he was going to betray them I figured it was a misdirect. So it surprised me by being unsurprising even in that moment.
She smelled the earth to check its quality.
Snyder doesn’t human well either; very glad to hear someone with combat experience review fight scenes! Curious how bad witch-hat lady’s sword play actually is.
It's not bad though it's cinematic. The fights aren't meant to be accurate to real life fights they are meant to be dramatized. The fight between the witch hat lady and, the spider are meant to parallel what they've both lost.
If movies did combat true-to-life accurate then it wouldn't be worth watching lol.
That’s one diagnosis (the movies for dogs thing) but based on interviews surrounding Sucker Punch, it seemed more that he wrote storyboards for his wife, and/or children with the superhero ones, then slavishly manufactured a slow motion version of those animatics for the general population.
It’s a potential explanation as to why so much of his content comes off as trying to demonstrate what he doesn’t understand.
Keep up the effort, Film Industry. What matters is that you tried.
I acknowledge only three person to look cool with a mohawk: Mr. T, Connoer McGregor and Jake "McNasty".
Roger Corman did Seven Samurai in space better with Battle Beyond The Stars.
The first Rebel Moon reviewer that didn’t mention anything about Zack’s slow motion shots at all!, 😊
Now that I think about it, even the weird coloring makes sense if he wants to make sure it's visually comprehensible even if we might have eyes that work like other animals', instead of human eyes.
Sounds like a total rehash of Samurai 7 aka The Magnificent seven (starring Steve mcqueen) aka Seven Samurai....
Also that "witch hat" looks like a traditional Korean hat - but I've only seen them worn by men. Concept creep also sounds a bit like Chronicles of Riddick - which is one of my favorite guilty pleasures.
It’s cool how it had the dude who played Daario Naharis, and also the dude who played Daario Naharis…
Oh my god.
I haven't seen the movie, haven't really seen any trailer, but just listening to your point at 26:40 makes me think it would have been a cool climax to hold back the empire until the blood axes arrive, because they may or may not decide to join. Probably makes for more drama and better action and I am upset now.
Diluted & Derivative
but enjoyable
Zack its 2023, you can call yourself a terrorist, terrorize entire regions and upload it to social media while you do it... and people will still not call you a terrorist.
I can kinda feel for him having Louis Lane do that. Like... nothing else would work lol.
I thought it was weird that this interstellar empire needs to steal the wheat from these poor Iron Age farmers.
The sponsor commercial for this video is dog food 😂
I think it would have done better as a miniseries on cable than as a broken 2 part movie that started as a fetch quest where nothing REALLY happened leaving us to hope part 2 will actaly ha e a real plot. I do respect the fact that its a new IP and not some remake or some hacked in star wars thing. I didnt really swe the culture war stuff except for a 5'5" woman beating an entire unit of soldiers on her own. Thats just modern girl boss stuff not really culture war stuff. I get what you are saying but we know this is a girl boss to satisfy hollywood. She protects the guy from getting assaulted in the "gay" bar as well. I respect your take but i saw it differnt. Far worse was the mmo fetch quest that is all of part one and we are supposed to hope part 2 will have an actual story. That was way worse to me than the girl boss stuff.
Zack, your review of a Zach Snyder movie is just like the movie, you reviewed.
Even when watching, I felt like it would have been better as a mini series. 20 minute episodes.
This is the first review I've heard that isn't just a jaded person cynically piling on a universally disliked movie.
"You son of a bitch, I'm in"- The Movie, basically. Looked cool but didn't really do much with what it had.
Also glad someone else noticed how critically underutilized Djimon Honsou is. It's weird
Funniest and most accurate Snyder take lol
This honestly sounds like Snyder wanted to play 40k on the big screen.
i am writing this comment before actually pressing the play button just to say: no matter if i like this review and no matter if i agree with your conclusion, THAT is one of the best and curiosity inducing titles i have ever read. can't wait to hear you elaborate on it.
Wow, Rebel Moon was beyond Horrific
Your explanation is why I stopped watching Snyder after MOS. It's an amazing amount of 'tell, don't show' with no sense of discovery.
I wish this movie gets a Meet the Spartans-styled parody. It deserves to be mocked.
sands like all he did was make a modern version of Battle Beyond the Stars.
Just because something sounds like a monologue doesn't mean a deeper conversation isn't happening. My line of thinking usually helps root out false narratives.
Nobody seems to like movie and it's crazy that he's managed to make this and release it.
You're right, a bunch of cool parts that are not fit together well. It reminds me of Rob Liefeld's Supreme from the 90s. The pitch is better than the finished product.
"Epiphany", MAKE IT CLAP!!!
I can't believe they dragged my boy Djimon Hosou into this crap 🤦🏽♂️
Unfortunately, he is tight casted which means he will never get a role bigger than he got in Amistad. It's a shame because he is a very good actor.
@@The_Last_Data_Hound 💯
Finally someone else who watches a movie in a week.
Zack snyder is chris chan if he was a hollywood director 😂
Wouldn't go that far, He's more George Lucas but for superheroes and Greek/Norse Mythology and zombies
Of all the Seven Samurai remakes The Three Amigos is still the best
I've been spending days after watching it constructing a better version in my head as well, but it is because the 7 samurai story is such a cool concept, it's like the Akira Bike slide, but for movies, I can't get tired of seeing it everywhere. 5/7 movie, not a recommend.
In the R rated version, they say fuck twice.
that´s the best review so far and hits all points
Mags: "Curt Cobain wore a dress, he's trans"
Zack: "Alex Folly talked in a gay voice as a joke, he's gay!"
Same energy 😂
The reason he makes movies like this is because he is a director of commercials. Every scene is made that way, to make an impression, not to tell a story. It is like 2 hour long trailers.
The strange thing is that he lacks any form of imagination and will to create something new. I don't get how anyone can be so successful in a creative industry and be so totally uncreative.
Also a quick thing, the ex imperial thing was Finn's storyline, not Po's.
A tale of two zacks. Guess which one makes better content
Snyder just asked warhammer if he could copy their homework, but said he will change it a little bit. But, he copied star wars for the changes.
I was never going to watch this movie, I enjoyed your ramble!
I’ve never heard anyone accuse Snyder of being alt right. Also, there is nothing to “get” about him. He makes shallow, self indulgent horse shit and calls them movies. He’s the very definition of “style over substance”. But Rebel moon doesn’t even have any style. It’s an ugly, bland movie with a shallow depth of field.
Finally, an IP that can be improved by Mags.
I can't hate this movie... It was basically The Seven Samurai/The Magnificent Seven as a space opera, presented with striking Zac Snyder visuals, and frankly, that's my jam. The characters were pretty interesting even if the story was pretty derivative.
I don't want to oversell it... It's far from the best movie I've ever seen. It's pretty far from the best Zac Snyder movie I've ever seen, but it's nowhere near as awful as many people say it is, and like I said: I can't hate it.
PS. I also thought the villain was Nicholas Hoult. Did not see Ed Skrein in there at all until after I'd read the credits.
This movie’s greatest sin was it tells but fails to show.
It's bad even by Snyder's standards
And I liked Sucker Punch as well as Man of Steel
I'm waiting for the R rated cut, might as well.
Some movies are better as TV shows.