The Failure of Zack Snyder’s REBEL MOON (Explored)
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- čas přidán 25. 12. 2023
- Originally envisioned as a Star Wars spin-off, Zack Snyder's latest Netflix movie, 'Rebel Moon - Part One: A Child of Fire', crash-landed into the streaming universe after a limited run in theatres, with the sequel already twinkling in the distant Spring of 2024. The film is a mixture of classics like Akira Kurosawa's 'Seven Samurai', 'Heavy Metal, Dune, and, of course, the inescapable gravitational pull of 'Star Wars'.
A tranquil settlement on the fringe of a remote moon faces the threat of annihilation by the forces of a despotic regime. And a band of rebels throw themselves headfirst into the line of fire to thwart the evil empire. Enter Kora, portrayed by Sofia Boutella, a mysterious figure who's been lurking among the locals and emerges as the settlement's unlikely saviour, embarking on a quest to recruit a ragtag team of fighters, joined by Michiel Huisman’s Gunnar.
Their aim is to unite not just by their shared disdain for the empire, but by their personal quests for redemption and revenge. As the dark shadow of the Realm looms over this unassuming moon, what unfolds is a galactic David vs. Goliath showdown. The stakes? Nothing less than the destiny of a galaxy.
It’s an ambitious space saga, no doubt, but one that might leave you feeling like you’ve journeyed through these stars before. And in this video, we’re going to explore the story, its characters, the lore behind the universe, concluding with why it ended up being such a disappointment.
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“Belisarius” “Bloodaxe clan” “Imperium” “Titus”. There’s names straight up taken from Warhammer 40k and other popular media. Snyder really made a sci-fi universe mad lib and tried to pass it off as a movie.
Let's not forget the robot and someone (or it) literally used the word mechanicus.
The more I watched the movie, the more I felt I was watching something about Warhammer.
Even the admiral looked like an imperial commissar at the beginning
“Mechanicus militarum”
@@sotheofdaeinLmao no way they really say that? This couldn't be anymore shameless if tried.
It's almost unbelievable that Titus has about 3 lines after his introduction, including a grunt. It's a level of incompetence in writing that's astounding, and a tremendous waste of Djimon Hounsou, who is really underrated.
Abso-fucking-lutely. The disregard is real and in your face...
He gets more lines in Part 2. But the way he was heavily underutilized in Part 1 was a crime.
He is a general. I dont understand why Zack didnt let him lead the crew in the final battle? I thought that was why he was recruited
Read the novelization, it's based on the director's cut. This is not the true version of the film.
@@filmcomicsexplained It wasn’t the final battle. It was an ambush and the protagonists were lucky they were the one who ended it. In other words, it was a messy fight with no strategy.
He was granted the ultimate geek fantasy, to create his own ‘Star Wars” on the silver screen and this is what he did… Saddening honestly
Netflix didn’t tell him to create his own Star Wars LOL the movie is nothing like Star Wars ffs. If you’re going to be comparing two things that’s nothing alike inherently, of course one is gonna seem ‘worse’
I seen someone comparing it to The Creator the other day too just cause they’re both Sci-fi
These stupid and ridiculous comparisons are the very reasons why people that do it can’t enjoy themselves
@@user-dm2nx4yu5o”it’s nothing like Star Wars.”
It’s not like they used a discarded Star Wars script or anything…
@@user-dm2nx4yu5o you are right, the saddest part is that this movie had a lot of (in)Justice League adn in it; a star wars knockoff would have been more creative
@@user-dm2nx4yu5o I didn’t say Netflix told him to create his own ‘Star Wars’ I said he had the opportunity to do so and failed.
@user-dm2nx4yu5o this is literally exactly like star wars
One thing I liked was this perfect name for an imperial starship, “ The King’s Gaze”. When I become an evil dictator and build a giant oppressive flagship emblazoned with my symbols of tyranny, I’ll have to remember that name.
Should have just named it “the Eye of Sauron”
He ripped that off from 40k too
It's spelt "The King's Gays", now does it make more sense?
@@nfineon hahahahahaha
Personally imma go with "
The SES Discretionary Spending" when I someday rule the galaxy with an iron fist.
Djimon recently said that he hated how the MCU did him dirty...Now Zack gives him 3 lines and barely any scene to show us how he's such a GREAT GENERAL.
Titus doesnt even get a chance to command the crew in an effective battle plan. So dissapointing
I can only assume he gets more prominence in part 2. He should be the most important rebel after Kora. She should be the emotional heart (hot blooded fighting hero) and he should be the intellectual heart (philosopher strategist) marrying honor/charity with operational strategy.
you will see the gladiator battles in the arena in the directors version of the film, This film was made so kids could watch it for Christmas you Disney bot and star war is old now and nobady gives A F**K
Did you even watch the tralier for Part 2@@specialnewb9821
He might be showcasing that later in the sequel
It's like some god awful event where 40K and Star Wars met in a dark alley and some not so consensual things went down and this is the result.
OMG this, this right here should be the films tagline.
ROFLMAO well done Brother.
I would say if you use fragments from dune and Mix it with star Wars?
You fucking murdered this movie holy shit, funniest comment I've come across in a long while. Whenever Rebel Moon and CZcams come to mind, I will think always of this burn, extra crispy lol
lol
For me this film felt like a video game where you collect a party but with none of the quest requirements needed to have that member join your party.
It was just, "hey, we're going to fight baddies. Wanna come?"
My girlfriend didn’t keep up with all of the party reasoning too lol. Boring ass long intro then party grabbing in minutes.
Exactly. They're just there.
You are absolutely right. Trying to create an original sci-fi world is very difficult. Wait a minute, is the bad guy supposed to be Nazis?
He's a space republican
@@freedomfirst5557I mean the far left progressives seems to support Ukraine who have the azov battalion that is full of neo nazis. They also are pro Hamas who want to eradicate the Jews. They aren’t even subtle about it either.
Dollar tree version of Hitler
Warhammer Imperium of Man...
Even the uniform though wtf
This felt like every generic fantasy movie that already exist. The cheesy slow motion scenes during combat became quite funny though 😂
True it felt like some sci fi fantasy that came out in like the early 2000s
ngl, the dialogues and the pace gave me fanfiction vibes...but like bad fanfiction. And i didn‘t care for Kora, and the village like at all..
Yep. Spot on 😂
Honestly it's not as bad as critics say. It's basically 7 samurai and Star Wars with a bit of Tarik riding a dragon taken from Avatar without the Star Wars Republic politics dragging it down and no force nonsense. It's no masterpiece but perfectly enjoyable popcorn 🍿 fun.
Cheesy slow-mo is Snyder’s trademark. It’s like his one and only thing
I think what kills the movie for me is its lack of Worldbuilding sense and no interesting character arcs, all of them seem to have the same mood/ personality from start to finish.
I agree, the characters are really trying hard to be stoic.
But hey, I liked half of the movie.
They're just there, no explanation of their motivations, no backstory, they just join forces, die, and that's it.
Now we know why Lucasfilm turned this away
Yep! If Disney turned it away, thats saying something lol
Its not like Disney has done anything good and worth people’s time with SW anyway
@@filmcomicsexplainedThat’s big words coming from Disney. Because the Sequel Trilogy was so good? The real reason they rejected the script is because it’s similar to Rouge One, which they already did.
Really the main reason the PG-13 version isn’t good is because Netflix didn’t feel confident releasing the first movie as R rated immediately. That was the biggest problem.
@@AvelierPlaysRouge One was good though
@@jakespacepiratee3740Well that and sexual assault in Star Wars? Every Star Wars property is way more mature than Rebel Moon.
I started watching this film excited but 30 minutes later i moved on to something else
I was just watching it and paused it to scroll CZcams. Oddly the algorithm got me clicking on this video. Not sure if I want spoilers. 😂
Snyder as usual taking an interesting premise, making it very bland and forgettable and spitting out a sequel before the original is even out properly
Agreed. The sin of Army of the Dead was setting it in Vegas during the Day. The place known for night and lights.
@@trey8823Bro literally ripped off COD Zombies with the implications of aliens, robot zombies and time loops.
@@trey8823 and someone came along and made a brilliant prequel that was actually good
I think Snyder needs more people to challenge his ideas. I'm the same way. Sure, his ideas aren't terrible, but someone has to nudge him in the right direction.
Haha he even got rid of the cinematographer so no one can question him. Producer, writer , director and cameraman
his that guy who you hire t your wedding @@kittycats2827
@@kittycats2827 wait, he fired everyone??? seriously? tell me he at least had an editor
That's what his Justice League turned out to be. It's why it's one of, if not his best film. There was a damn good cinematographer and screenwriter there to keep him in a solid spot. Not to mention talented actors. The two best actors in Rebel Moon are given the smallest space (Hopkins and Hounsou). I like Charlie Hunnam and Sofia Boutella but they're not exactly A-list actors.
@@Whaddayamean13 respectfully I disagree about Justice League. both cuts.
I love the "moments meant to be emotionally charged, end up feeling hollow"
This is exactly how I felt about Superman getting killed in BvS.
I was supposed to cry but...I felt nothing.
There wasn't enough point for me to care about him.
For real man, Superman spent most of his time in the verse being uber sad and broody.
Him dying felt like a natural end for his arc.
I only started to feel bad when I saw how his mom and wife were reacting to his death...one movie and a alternate cut later. 😅
I know. I was like "you expect me to be sad about his death? We just met this motherfucker 1 film ago!" LOL
That’s cause you are not okay. Go seek helps
@@samuelhong4272"seek therapy because you didn't feel emotional at movie death we all knew was going to be undone"
I think the person that needs therapy is you Sammy boy.
@@kinoko5566 Nobody was talking to you? Nobody wanted your opinion. And I'm not your boy.
I felt like I was watching 2001's Scorpion King with Dwayne Johnson ...but in space. On top of that, the slow-motion action was really stupid, I felt like I had seen this script and movie at least 6 times already, THEY LITERALLY borrowed almost EVERYTHING FROM EVERYTHING. I give it a 25 out of 100 or a D. There's a Director cut coming LMFAO, not kidding.
It was 2001 scorpion king
Hey, the first scorpian movie was fun. A lot can be vibed with if you are fun and not too self serious.
The slow-motion scenes were used too much. 😂😂😂
Scorpion King was actually good; and that came out in 2002, not 1998, ya ignoramus
@@marocat4749 do you say that to everybody who thinks this maybe was stupid. Bad movie is a bad movie that was a really really bad movie.
For me, this movie felt like Snyder watched way too many videos about Warhammer and 7 Samurais and decided to combine them both in a very non smooth way.
As if both halves hate each other but have to forcefully make a child out of an unstoppable need of the director to try to "make an original movie", even thou what he needs is someone on his back who says "No".
And since its just Part 1, the baby didn't even came out fully. And thus its hate and imperfections are in full view to everyone's dissapointment.
I think one interesting note is how he described them recruiting characters who then promptly fell into the background so they could introduce the next recruit. Because that's kind of how the first bit of seven samurai works. We get little intros for each main samurai then move onto the next samurai.
But that's a relatively small portion of a much larger movie where we then DO get to know the samurai more intimately and watch them develop interesting dynamics among the group.
However this movie is all just the recruitment half. Before the samurai get to be fleshed out which makes it fall flat.
I admire Rebel Moon's absolute refusal to do any of the work other films do to make you care about their characters. Lord of the Rings pretty much showed you everything you need to know about Middle Earth within the first 15 minutes of the trilogy. Star Wars chucks us in with R2 and 3PO who are our guides through the Star Wars universe. Rebel Moon just shits out a torrent of sloppy diarrhea into a glass and has the arrogance to tell you it's a chocolate milkshake. It takes some balls for a professional writer to think that this script was acceptable.
Even if there's an extended cut, I still won't care about the characters. I can't tell you who they were and what they were doing. Total bollocks.
Snyder has this fundamental misunderstanding of violence and emotion similar to a 12 year old kid who's is deeply impressed by this new discovery, but lacking any proper frame of reference, paints the fists of his action figures red because in his mind that's what adults would do, beat each other into bloody pulp ...
His movies are perfect for a comment track by Beavis and Butthead "Violence is cool, huh-huh-huh !" "Check it out Beavis, his head is falling off !"
F88k me mate what do you want a full break down of the film for every single detail even down to taking a sh*t then having to break down how the sh*t come out and entered the toilet just watch the fucking film if you don't like it then we don't really give a sh*t because we will watch it anyway with or without you opinion and jimmy the robot will be in the director cut and explain his back story, we are getting a total new intro for part 1which will be 35 mins more and 35 mins more added in between the rest of the movie, part 1 and 2 are releasing in PG format first so kids can watch it then in July we get both directors cuts to rebel moon 1 and 2 which will both have runtimes of 3 hour and 30 mins each .
And yet I'll bet you watch the extended cuts when they come out, and I'll bet you watch part 2 when it drops for streaming, AND, you'll watch the extended cuts of that.
I'll bet you will.
And while you're watching it remember that I told you so.
Which means you must really like drinking those glasses of diarrhea!
LMFAO!!
"Do-over". I'm done with giving Snyder do-overs. He should be forced to be an Assistant DP for a few years, let him get his feet back on Earth before he's given the camera back. Let the professionals run the show, not the professional failure
And all of you will still stream the Extended Cut, and part 2.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHHH!
You'll stream it and watch it even though you're bashing it right now!
Bunch of bozos, lol
I’ll be very honest when kora told her story of being selected for the elite guard of the royal family and appointed to be the bodyguard to protect the princess with the ability to bring anyone back from the dead . To protect someone of that high importance you would think she would be given like cybernetic or genetic enhancements to improve her skills. That’s just some of the things that popped in my head.
I know man. Let's put a 5'3" , 106lb girl in charge of the most important task.... unreal. Literally all Snyder had to do was include a scene where she's injected w something that like triples her strength or something. This movie was less than atrocious... it was horrible.
Kora told Gunner that Belisarius pulled strings in politics to get Kora to be an elite guard, likely to assassinate the royal family when the time comes.
As she was giving her story I asked my brother why the hell that just wasn't the film? Just make her story the film and then end the film with the King's assassination.
Zack made an OK story within his generic b.s. star wars rip-off. Wtf
@ryankwon8785 thanks for having some sense here to point something that went over these guys head.
Also, Koran proved herself to be perfectly capable when she successfully lead her army to victory at 18 years old and is shown to be a very very very skilled fighter and they even explained she'd been training in battle since she was a child
@e.adeloye skill won't help you when your fighting someone just as skilled who's heavier than you...
One would think that before commiting enormous resources to do a movie the script would be turned to a beautifully polished diamond. I am proven wrong again and again. I mean no one can point at a page and say "there is an exposition dump right here, let's not do it"?
My husband and I watched this and I said “ah, Bug’s Life in space.”
Jokes aside, I agree with all your points. The characters and world seemed so interesting, I wish the movie had taken time to share it with me.
Felt like a video game cutscenes compilation. All thats missing are QTE prompts during slowmo scenes
Snyder's Sucker Punch was a much, much better video game cutscenes compilation than this one.
I struggled with it out the gate. They're in a unique universe filled with alien wonder and technology and yet the opening sequence is our hero toiling soil with a poorly veiled space horse while in overalls. Then the villagers are all basically space Amish, complete with crude early pioneer fashion and tools that leaves you to wonder over how such distinct human culture was so perfectly preserved across time and space. This immediately becomes a theme throughout the rest of the film as he rips cliches from dozens of other movies but doesn't bother to alter them in anyway or offer any clues as to how they all occur in this universe.
For me the rest of the film screamed spaghetti western the entire way beneath the samurai seven plot and star wars visuals. They go into a space saloon where the saloon girls are gender reversed to men in frilly clothing. Then they do a classic sexual harassment scene with role reversal that's so ham fisted, it never gives any indication if it has a point other than "woman strong." The whole thing feels like a misguided, clumsy attempt at being progressive that both sides of the spectrum can hate together.
By then the movie had become humorous to my husband and I as we began to play a game of guessing what movie was being plagiarized in each scene. I'm honestly recommending it to friends now as a hate watch, because it feels so disjointed and painfully predictable it's literally a B movie in big budget clothing. It wouldn't surprise me if it becomes a bit of a cult classic for it.
Unique universe..... No, just no.
Agree about the cult classic potential. As many cult classics are so because of their cheesiness.
So me and the wife just watched this and as a joke as she went to the bathroom I changed it to Dune and when done she said, "The first part was terrible but then it got its footing and got really good." I love this lady.
Unfair comparison since so much was cut out of the PG-13 version, which I’m not even watching. R rated version should have released first.
Also, Dune 1 was a slog.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 oh wow, I’m genuinely not sure what the chances are of seeing you out here on a completely different video.
Genuine question, I’m not having a go at you: do you think the R-rated version will be able to redeem it? I don’t know if there’s much from the cut content that could change the content and the watchability of the PG-13 version, but are you mildly optimistic for it?
Honestly, I don’t know if I’ll finish watching either, R-rated or not… I think I might just go watch or read something with a more original execution
@@toastle8005 You are a stalker and a creep. Following me onto another video is prime signs of a defeated man and a seething mind.
That was not the King's Gaze that they destroyed. That was a much smaller ship that Noble took and separated from the actual dreadnought.
Ive seen multiple comments confusing that smaller ship for the kings gaze. Completely different design lol. I guess they watched a different movie
The subtitles called it the kings gaze is why people are calling it that.
The subtitles mislabeled it as the King's Gaze.
Still, kinda weird that no ships were dispatched immediately from the dreadnought after what happened on that platform, with the crew standing there taking their time admiring the scene
Get this; no one cares because this whole thing is a dumpster fire.
Killed a Star Destroyer... With a SPEAR.
honesty I didn't even know that was the big bad dreadnought ship. I thought it was a random bad guy ship. But one stab to a... Gunner / pilot and the whole thing fell out of the sky.
Truly one of the ships of all time.
Dude.... that was beyond unreal. That was actual r3t4rd level writing. Snyder's worst movie yet.
If you look closely, the ship he brought down was actually the shuttle the admiral took to pick up the rebels. it was hovering vertically to hide behind the rock outcrop. The main ship joined them later, and is what actually rescued him. Still dumb, but not as dumb as taking down a flagship
No one gets to talk shit on ewoks ever again
It wasn't the flagship dreadnaught. The dialogue actually mentions a line where it's destroying the planet that the admiral is leaving to the location they have information the blood gang is going to be and that the flagship should rendezvous with them when it's finished destroying.
Still very dumb how the shuttle control stick could allow it to crash itself
That wasn’t the Dreadnought, it was a gunship
I got 40 minutes into the movie and had to turn it off. I don’t recall being so bored in quite some time
I hear ya!
I swear I knew this movie was gonna be a flop. 🤦♂️
Ironically I've only gotten 40 min in too and turned it off to got to bed early. LoL
"Chat GPT, write me a sci-fi with following parameters: 50 % star wars, 15% warhammer 40 k, 20 % seven samurai and 250 % Slow motion"
If you want to see this story done well, just watch Samurai 7. You're welcome.
Or the remake of a remake The Magnificent Seven with Denzel Washington lol, at least that was fun and satisfying watch
Or the anime 7 Samurai which had scifi elements
Can you imagine Zack watching seven samurai saying is too slow and needs slow motion shots and how wack it is the samurai waste time talking to each other
I always put them on when I want a good nap
Zack Snyder and JJ Abrams have a very similar problem. Both men know how to direct, and have made some fun fantastic movies... that they didn't come up with. Their ideas and concepts are cool, but the writing and execution is poor. I still enjoy some of their work.
I think for JJ Abrams his best was Cloverfield and as for Zack Snyder it's the watchmen
@@alexthegoat11Matt Reeves directed Cloverfield, and we know now he is a pretty damn good director.
Matt Reeves is my current fave, i hope Gunn gives him mre work in DC @@specialnewb9821
This looks like a mash up of Warhammer, DUNE, and Star Wars. 🤨
To bad it sucked though. 😅
Pretty much John!
Also, the plot was A Bug's Life
Warhammer is based on Dune, same as Star Wars.
@@Death_Korps_Officer and a LOT of other stuff went into its creation, it’s basically the amalgamation-sandbox for a sci-fi setting for you to tell stories in
Honestly I feel like Zack Snyder would benefit more if he moved to a series format rather than movies. He try’s to do so much within a limited time frame that I feel like had this been a 4-5 episode season it would have been received better. I haven’t seen it yet but from what this video has shown is that he’s clearly shooting himself in the foot, he really needs to spend more time fleshing out his characters one episode could have addressed their arcs better and the last one would have been the final battle leading into part 2.
He has just as little character development in most of his other movies. I think giving him a TV show would just make him shoot more action and pretty, but tedious slowmo. He doesn't care for character nearly as much as he cares for his edgy, teenage aestethic.
Or you could give the TV series to someone who has actually demonstrated character work and isn't an edgelord teenager in a 57 year old body.
The man doesn't understand story/character development or pacing. You give him more time, he just adds more bloat.
ZSJL was this maundering marathon that ultimately didn't add much to the theatrical versions of the characters/story. In fairness I won't say it added nothing, but also in fairness I can't say it added 2 hours of extra quality. People who try to claim that he meant it to be a two parter are also huffing cope. There's no progression/pacing in that thing that give a midpoint climax/setup for part 1 vs part 2. Rebel Moon part 1 seems to suffer the same issue.
@@hypothalapotamus5293 I feel like if he actually lets others pencil and flesh out his ideas into a coherent narrative he could stay on as a director. Presentation wise I haven’t had much of an issue with his directing style only criticism I have is the overuse of slowmo
@@Grogeous_Maximus beside 300 and his dc stuff I haven’t really seen his other stuff. I thought he did good with supes but his idea with supes isn’t one most us would have liked
Love the consistent videos and all the sci-fi stuff
Hell yeah Jbomb! Thanks for tuning in :)
I'm about an hour into the film, and I've had to stop to take a break. There has been little that was visually stimulating or enjoyable to watch. I plan on finishing it soon on a day when I feel I can bear it.
Why would you watch something you clearly do not like? So absurd. But I guess the urge to CONSOOM CONTENT is too hard to resist
If you can set up an automated system, have it unpause as your alarm clock.
It's dull but it's aggravatingly dull, so you'll get up to turn it off in 5-10 minutes.
@@pyropulseIXXI So that I can form a fair and honest opinion. The point is to review the film in its entirety, not just the first half.
Lmaooo own that jabroni
...for example instead of Kora telling her own backstory and saying “I am telling you this so you know who I am...” her backstory could have been introduced with more subtlety throughout the movie to build up the suspense...instead of dumping it out all at once
Watched it the day after it was released with my best friend. The two comments we kept repeating were "Why the f* is there slo-mo here?" and "well that interaction was entirely un-earned." Snyder missed tons of low hanging plot elements (Recruit the gryphon, damnit. Recruit spiderlady: She's doing what she's doing to "hurt the imperium" seems like fighting them would hurt them.) and didn't make use of his talent AT ALL.
To describe the movie to friends I generally say "Snyder took a bunch of better SF movies, threw them in a blender, hit frappe, and poured the resultant slurry into a 7 Samurai shaped mold." "Oh, so Battle Beyond the Stars?" "Less original than that, with less heart, and less interesting mercs." And you know you've done goofed when your big-budget FXtraveganza compares unfavorably with a mid-tier Roger Corman.
I really wanted to like this movie, especially after being so let down in the star wars arena. You have perfectly articulated the way I feel about this movie and why I feel that way. Have you ever written anything? That’s some great insight and it’s in short supply these days!
The first part of the movie is good but after that idk man
@@DM-bm1vgmaybe watch it again, it’s a good time
What’s funny is I’ve seen people saying the whole movie is bad, the first part is boring and the last part is okay LOL
The contrasting opinions is hilarious
Maybe just sit back and try to enjoy things
@@user-dm2nx4yu5ostop trying to force people to enjoy things that they don’t find enjoyable
@@user-dm2nx4yu5oit's actually pretty interesting how the movie is a large enough mess that there's no consensus on which half is the "good part"
I went into it really pulling for a fun time and just wound up annoyed by the third act. The best part was roasting it as we watched.
I’m starting to get sick of directors cuts because genuinely why. Napoleon then this “oh the good movie is coming out soon” okay then why the fuck would I watch this. doesn’t help if the “an hour was taken out” is true
And hearing this it’s like with moffat where a creator is better in a smaller role but given more power tend to go overboard. Smth we are seeing with filoni too but not AS bad but still pretty ehh.
Yeah, the whole thing makes no sense. I suppose given Snyder's history of having his films taken away from him (similar to Ridley Scott, actually) maybe he saw this as an interesting experiment...trying to intentionally create two distinct versions of the film he shot...but from an audience POV, it's baffling and only hurts the project.
I'm waiting for Snyder to say something like "See?! This is why no one tries to write new stories anymore!" Except, there's not a single second of this mess when I didn’t feel like I'd seen everything in it dozens of times before.
Special Mentions to Lolth: the Spider Queen, Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron, and the "cradle" fight scene from Golden Eye. All of which being ripped off in Rebel Moon.
He is doing his multiple versions scam , where he claims they held him back here is the real version
@@kittycats2827 I know, and it feels like something I've seen him do before...
@@kittycats2827 Exactly. He releases one version of his film then when it fails pretends the studio messed with it to stir up his cult who start with their "release the Snyder cut" shit. Then he releases the longer version while letting his fans think they beat the studio and forced its release.
Not only is the writing sloppy, but so is the editing. There are multiple shots in this movie where they straight up just forgot to apply colour grading.
Netflix really have that problem. Remember extraction
oh wow maybe you should apply for a job, random internet know it all. i'm sure you've written 1000000s of scripts for top studios and aren't just talking ish from a space completely devoid of experience
Show don’t tell. Man, when I have to hear exposition I tune out. This movie was 🥱
Then I guess you must have hated Dune, right? How many times does that movie stop dead in its tracks so Zendaya or another character or a literal teaching device can explain stuff to us instead of showing it?
@@octogigascomparing dune with this hot garbage? Villenueve and snyder aren’t to be compared in any universe😂😂
@@OptimusDelta Nope. Thanks for proving my point. Slow, empty movies with no arcs, constant exposition, and characters thinner than tissue paper that stop halfway through the story are boring regardless of who directs them. In both cases I'm waiting to see if the second half improves things.
Snyder thought his slow motion will make the audience think the story has deeper meaning when there is none.
YOU think that slowmo has a deeper meaning when it is simply an artistic choice, to emphasize something or to make audiences to better taste a moment, a detail, a mood, like for example in The Wild Bunch when guys riding horses are shot and they fly away while the blood is cascading from their wounds. What is deep about that...? You, and millions, just don't get ZS.
Niyat, you may not be familiar with the setting of Warhammer 40,000, but Rebel Moon has some glaring similarities and even borrowed phrases originating from it.
And uniforms, names, style, costumes, basically everything. I expected the female lead to say "I am the avatar!" so original it was. She was the only person with a non 40k name.
As an aspiring author who's trying to write my own sci-fi story you're right on the mark when you say writing one that is fresh, new and original isn't easy
I'm constantly trying to work and rework my story so that it's not just another ripoff of Star Wars, Mass Effect, Halo, Dune, Star Trek, Starship Troopers or Warhammer 40,000.
Easier said than done.
No, it's pretty easily done. Weird that you're trying to write a sci fi story and don't think there's examples of original well written stories in the past decade alone.
@OberynTheRedViper you've never written in your life have you?
It's alright if you borrow concepts. Mass effect in many ways is a stark trek game. Star wars was very inspired by old samurai films and serials like flash Gordon. Warhammer 40k is a kit bash of so many things.
All art builds off of other art. What's important is that you have something unique you want to say.
@anenemystand5582 I'll be sure to keep that in mind thank you.
Another thing to take inspiration from is to examine other concepts of futuristic tech.
- What would life be like living on the inner surface of a Dyson sphere? What if the civ that BUILT the Sphere died so long ago that history has forgotten them and the story focuses on a new civ that's evolved within the artificial world?
- How would civilizations or cultures change if people were essentially immortal, but regularly spent several hundred/thousand years in stasis traveling between worlds around different stars because FTL is impossible?
- What about a world where energy collection and usage is so advanced that destroying planets is easy and impossible to stop, so the concept of mutually assured destruction has led to "galactic peace" and "warfare" has been reduced to cut-throat economics and constant attempts at cultural one-upsmanship.
I would highly recommend the youtube channel Isaac Arthur for inspiration as he had several years worth of excellent material discussing futurism with a focus on practicality and plausibility. Start your world building on a stable ground of what we believe is actually possible and then ask yourself what would realistically change if you *tweaked* one or two of our core assumptions. This way when you run into trouble, you can lean back on real physics and real science to make sure your world is still believable.
I just want to say how much I appreciate your film analysis, always indepth and well articulated. You're a treasure to movie lovers. Thank you.
Niyat, I am shocked at how you ignored all the Warhammer stuff, or actively avoided the mention of the 40k elements.
Yeah I knew from the trailer it was gonna be this way. It’s why the trailer had no dialogue of substance. Because there isn’t any. None of the characters are memorable and they say and do nothing of substance. Truly a forgettable experience
It’s so nice to see that they were finally able to film “Argo”
It's basically a warhammer 40k version of various film ripoffs. lol
My favorite part of this movie was my mom coming in halfway and me explaining the plot: "So, I haven't seen the first half so I'll explain it. The major insurance companies want a monopoly on Healthcare so they destroy farming settlements using natural remedies. Also the Space nazis have some beef with the farmers because they lost a game of poker. Fortunately, a regime of rebel chiropractors helped them out (referring to the wierd cattle prod traps)"
Zack Snyder is becoming the next Michael Cimino, the Oscar Winning director of THE DEER HUNTER and later the 1980 controversial epic western HEAVEN'S GATE, then in 1985 YEAR OF THE DRAGON, The Sicilian in 1987, Desperate Hours in 1990, then his last and final film Sunchaser in 1996. One minute, he's on top of the world, directing hit movies, until his movies turn to crap over and over again.
When did Snyder direct a hit film?
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I thought that was just a large gunship in the final battle. If it was 'the kings gaze' its even worse that the turret pod also somehow had pilot controls in order for it to crash
The fact that the Nazi general was wearing a white button up shirt and black tie in a far away galaxy confuses me more than anything 😅
What I feel watching this. is like a final fantasy or any rpg game of like. but I skipped every character arcs and development of how I got him/her.
This film has too many non-related characters. It was digestible at first with kora, the robot, the farmer, and the bandit. But it went haywire as soon they get the indian prince and so on.
You have been one of my top 5 channels for the last few years. Thank you for all your work. I hope my premium pays you fairly!
I really was expecting your video !
17:36 - "...His habitual leanings toward grandiose yet empty spectacle..." You really nailed that.
This whole video/essay was extremely on-point and well expressed, I'm impressed and I guess also heartened that all this is being said, and being given its proper airing. You concisely addressed so much of _principle_ here, it's laudable. There were several - many - other quotes I could've drawn from this text as well, that drew the picture of these elephants in our room quite well - much appreciated. 👍
Zack you’ve done it again, you’ve made CZcamsrs a little richer cause they hate you so much 😂 they alllllll watched though, tune in 2024 for part 2
Rebel Moon is Netflix's attempt to get ahead of the cultural juggernaut that Henry Cavill's Warhammer 40K series will be.
Was thinking the same thing. I honestly can't wait to see what Henry does with 40k, especially since he gives a shit about it.
I was amazed at how poorly everything was designed. The costumes from the Empire (?) looked interesting because they were stolen from Dune, Warhammer 40k, et al. But the soldiers' uniforms had that ugly ballsack aesthetic as in the first season of The Witcher, the guns were all blocks with a grip on it, the spaceships designs were generic and there wasn't even a difference between the good guy ships and the bad guy ships (at least nothing readily apparent). There's a reason Star Wars and Star Trek and Babylon 5 have extravagant designs: because if you don't it all blends together. Han Solo's blaster, a lightsaber, TIE-Fighters, X-Wings. It's all been beaten to death but that's because they're easily recognizable. In this movie, everything was so incredibly bland.
"She remained knee deep in agriculture." Best one sentence review of this movie lol
The first time I'm hearing of this movie is all the youtube videos panning it.
Man, that's sad. They even stole the iconography from Warhammer 40k with the "Imperium" and their banners and everything.
You diss with so much stoic elegance. I love it. 😂
Look im not gonna sit here and say that 40K has exclusive rights to sci-fi imperial latinization.
But goddamn it just sounds like Snyder just started watching Majorkill lore videos like a week ago
Straight up used the word Mechanicus with the robot.
Me and my brother just watched it. It's an absolute travesty. First off, the motivation of the bad guys is grain, as in bread, literal bread 😂. So an interstellar civilisation with wormhole space ships, plasma guns, robots, and FTL communication is waging war over bread? 😂 Then they try make us feel anything for these characters who do absolutely nothing in the movie too. Why do any of them help as well? I take it they were promised bread. Then they nuke the shit out of some planet too for nothing cause bad guys.
I didn't think anything could suck more than Blue Beetle, but I was wrong.
Really nice to have a video start without an ad beforehand, but to then have one before a minute had even passed was just plain evil.
I almost fell asleep during the third act.
I actually fell asleep in the first act and had to rewatch it the next day lol
It was alright can see that it was definitely meant to be something else.
What makes Seven Samurais is very good compared to its western counterpart: -
i. the farmers fight against bandits, the motivation is clear for both parties. No hidden political agendas. Both parties are hungry, one grow crops and one want to steal them.
ii. the Samurais are human, they're hungry too. There's no job at the moment because there's no war. Although most of the Samurais are arrogant and seek more profitable quests, but some really just want to eat. Their motivation is clear.
iii. the farmers don't really like the Samurais, because historically Samurais making their live worst. They only tolerate the Samurais because they're desperate. We learned their history without any flashback memory scenes, just few characters talking, we simply understand it.
iv. although we never know the background of each Samurais, their characters show enough for us to understand each of them. The leader was a general, the silent swordman must be a badass, the young Samurai is a rich boy, the crazy one is not really a Samurai..
v. there's no over the top special effects and martial art choreography, but each Samurais show their skills realistically. Even the crazy one doing his crazy stuff realistically. It feels more real.
vi. the message of the movie is clear, each of society members have their roles, the farmers doing their role, the Samurais doing their role, even the bandits doing their role. It is not political, ideological, or anything. It just everyone wants to live, everyone lives their own way in this world. Honor, friendship, love, hate, enemies, rivalry and everything else comes along not as the cause but as the effect.
Western directors don't really understand the philosophy behind the Seven Samurais.
Nobles ‘beating stick’ was my favourite thing, I cheered when he brought it out again for the king and at the end lol XDD
It also had….elements or motifs that felt like “John Carter of Mars”
Honestly, how does Zack Snyder keep getting work.
That old Hollywood meritocracy. I ask myself the same thing. Certain people just fail up it seems.
He has a cult that's always hard at work to delude us all into thiking he's a competent filmmaker.
They don't care about you...@@M_k-zi3tn
@@M_k-zi3tn What's actually happening, is that there's been a very aggressive movement in the past two years to convince you that he's incompetent. Snyder doesn't have a cult, but the people who hate him certainly do.
@@octogigas Exactly what a Snyder cult member would say
Small correction @13:40 That's not the King's Gaze, it's a support ship, the King's Gaze was glassing Sharran while Noble went to meet Kai.
So basically it's the embodiment of the "we have both Star Wars and Warhammer 40k at home" meme
Really well made video, and I totally agree after watching it. But you did get something wrong, I did that myself too, the ship at the end is NOT the Kings Gaze. It does say so in is texts, but it is just a shuttle, the Kings Gaze is in orbit and where the shuttle returns too 🙂
Thank you, for doing so mush good work!
I’m torn to watch leaning towards not to.
So many friends liked it though and thought it had so many Warhammer parallels
That was nice of Kora to abandon the Princess in such tumultuous times.
I’m not defending the movie but didn’t Kora leave after the princess died?
Rebel Moon, the Starfield of Netflix.
A watched for a while and was like "wait a sec. This is the same story as A Bug's Life"
Part of me actually wishes the best for Zach but he makes it difficult repeating the same mistakes.
Don't worry. Everything will make sense in the extended Snyder's Cut. /s
12:22 That Arch looks like the one from Rouge One when the imperial tank got ambush by local rebels.
I want to know why the rebels looked so distressed. Why did Kora run away from the emperor? What’s Taraks back story? I got so lost with the characters, but I still liked the story a little.
It will be explored in Part 2. But exploring those backstory aspects in Part 2 makes it worse. Part 1 should have started with Balisarius’ coup de tat and how it affected the protagonists.
Well she probably assasinated the king no?
I enjoyed it. Can't wait for Part 2.
Thanks for the video!! See you later!! Stay safe and Happy New Year 🎊🕛😊
"...as if subtlety is a former lover that scorned him."
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They really just jammed a bunch of stuff in one part and doesn't really make any sense in the order it is in
"Mom I want Warhammer 40K!"
"We have 40K at the house."
40K at home:
Same for Guardians of Ga'hoole. Snyder excels at helping bring out flair in other people's scripts. When he's left to create on his own he creates style over substance schlock.
I felt the uniforms of the antagonist are like ai-generated images of Warhammer lol.
Should have been a series. I actually did think they should have used Harris and the Robot Jimmy in the rebel aliance and cant understand why they didnt. Yes i can see Jimmy could have been compared to 3PO from Star wars but Jimmy is actually a military weapon which could have been the focus. Very strange.
No idea why this movie is hated so much. I mean it's hella generic but it's certainly not bad.
Maybe people (rightfully) think that hella generic *is* bad.
On the one side, some people seem to have lowered their standards so much that they have no more standards. And on the other side, people do have some reasonable standards and want filmmakers to at least try to meet those standards.
@peterphan227 There's an entire spectrum for quality. It's not a question of standards its a situation where I'm not so influenced by today's society that something is either the best or the worst. The internet has shorten so many people's attention span and now everything is so polarized. Generic scripts are "solid" at best and "below average" at worse. Rebel moon ranks some where between.
“The more duties he takes on, the worse his films seem to get”
The thing is that Snyder likes these better classic movies but can only appreciate them at surface level. So he focuses on things that make it 'badass' or 'cool'. It's like he watched the Usual Suspects' iconic falling cup reveal scene and went "you know what made this film so good? The slow-mo" 😄
He entered his edgy phase as a teenager and is still in it in his 50's.
@@Xehanort10or the kid smashing his action figures together phase. It’s why he doesn’t get that the whole point of Superman isn’t the power, it’s him choosing not to use it.
It was decent. Wanted more of the robot tho. It's not the best in the world but definitely not the worst that's for sure. Looking forward to part 2.
I was waiting for c4p0 to go full killbot.
@@chaselandry2962 same he sniped that dude without even looking an ran away never to be seen again.
It is the worst, giving garbage like this a pass is why you get more of it and why it's always worse than the last.
Honestly, I'm glad you were able to enjoy it buddy!
@@montypython5521 It's very very simple kid just don't watch it , you'll be at peace
I thought it was better than the newer star wars stuff. Definitely used a lot of sci-fi and fantasy tropes but the universe felt pretty cool all the different worlds they went to.
One correction that I need to make is that there is very little "Star Wars" in this movie.
What there IS, is Warhammer 40k and some Dune. There are so many "things" that are straight up from 40k, yet everyone seems to be talking about the Star Wars connection. The only Star Wars I see at all, is in the name "Rebel Moon" or the lightsabers, which, btw, look far closer to a power sword from 40k.
I like that you touch some on why Sofia's character doesn't quite work in terms of how badass she's supposed to be. "I'm going to give you one chance to leave" *pew pew* from behind. that would've been over. They just let her beat them up. I still haven't been able to get past the cantina ripoff scene.