@@pedroxyo so if i say "2 + 2 = 4 " is right... is that answer right only for me or for eveyrone that is a logical rational human being ? EXACTLY. Some things in this world are easy and simple to understand and when you look them , you can say you have the right answer ;)
@@Dan_Kanerva Key word SOME things are simpler to understand if you’re a rational thinker observer. However human beings are complicated subjects, I personally tend to overthink a lot because I think of many possible scenarios that could happen due to my actions, and if you take that to a leader of a complex society it’s a lot of pressure to take the best decisions for the best possible outcome, some may have good results in the near future but bad consequences in the long run and viceversa, the world is constantly changing, and strategic thoughts are the best way to avoid bad decisions.
It vaguely sounds like how to be a proper individual. 1. Don't get killed 2. Don't be a Karen 3. Don't be too afraid of change 4. Don't lose your identity 5. Don't overthink
@@dejankojic4293 well, its not like anyone in europe cares avout eurovision. But yes, the idea is there. The US is so culturally dominant its killed a lot of european identity.
He really has a point. One of the most frequent arguments made by Islamists is that Europeans don't breed, and therefore need a massive influx of migrants, a.k.a. Islam.
@@dejankojic4293 To me it just shows internationalism. In order to be understood and actually be entertaining to watch and listen to and yeah a good reason to why most of the songs sounds like something from the US is because lots of the songwriters write songs for basically the English speaking world anyway.
How to be a civilization, which is doomed to dissolution: 1. If enough of certain people are killed, for your society it's the end of the deal. 2. If you give too much power to the rich, don't be surprised if the poor bury you in a ditch. 3. If you're too afraid of change, another's victory will be arranged. 4. If you change too quickly to keep a solid foundation, you deserve ruination. 5. If you're too detached from reality, you will become a fatality.
That's so well written! You may have lost the chance to get 1000 likes, but I genuinely think that if you were there when the video released, you would have 1000 likes. To be honest, this poem also serves as a "How to survive and be a decent person as well"
I love your statement about Communist Russia and how it destroyed a great nation. I was born in the Soviet Union and as I get older I enjoy and study a lot of Russian history and I've come to the same exact conclusion that if the Communist did not destroy Russia from within it could have been the great superpower of the 20th century.
I am somewhat thankful, as a neighbour of Russia, but man would it have been a great civilization. A russia which is actually somewhat well populated and moving forward. If only the Tsars had reformed enough in time.
It still does have potential but it's alot less but they really need to get there act together and they 100% have time to do so but not alot. The soviets ruined there best opportunity and only redeeming factor was the neuclear deterant they gave russia.
This is one of the most important history videos ever. I'm Russian and western people rarely if ever understand my utter rejection of the socialist and Marxist thought that's been infecting the west over the past few decades. When an ideology annihilates a civilization, those who survive the carnage develop an immunity to that ideology. Sadly, weaker minds are easy pickings for Marxist ideology, and certain parts of Western world seem to cultivate more weaker minds nowadays. Love your content!
Marxism is like anything else : too much of it like in Russia destroys a civilisation but a moderate dosage like in Scandinavia prevents other evils such as too much conservatism or too much aristocracy.
Marxism is like anything else : too much of it like in Russia destroys a civilisation but a moderate dosage like in Scandinavia prevents other evils such as too much conservatism or too much aristocracy. In China when the cultural Revolution broke out the classical civilization had died under the combined assault of the Manchus and then of the opium-dealing Westerners. There remained practically nothing and the very little that remained was evil. The Manchu empire has destroyed Taoism and the Westerners burned far more books in the name of Christianity than the cultural Revolution would do. There remained more Chinese culture outside China than in China. In Taiwan the US built Confucianism all over again from the little knowledge they had gathered of it as a tool to combat communism : it didn’t exist on that island beforehand and the Kuomintang who took power were as stupidly fascistic as the Maoists.
(An oral account, given by an illiterate shepherd from lake mead Nevada, a few hundred years from now.) When I was a boy, I I grew tired of tending my father’s cornfields, and spent a year hunting and trapping in the wilderness with my uncle. He showed me everything, from the great salt water of the west, to the cold mountains of the east. That was the first time I ever saw snow. But what impressed me most were the ruins! I could hardly believe so much glass existed in one place. But we never explored thoroughly, for fear of the terrible spirits which must protect such treasures. There were fewer ruins in the west though, because it rains too often on the sea side, and all the metal rusts away. But we did harpoon a lot of walrus that winter. That’s how I got this ivory necklace. Killed the big red devil myself.
@@AlbertWillHelmWestings2618 Well glass is rather difficult to make. In pre-industrial societies it’s only slightly less precious than the gemstones that it often imitates. The young fellow I wrote about Probably never saw any glass but the beads on his mother’s necklace, or maybe a crystal chalice used for religious ceremonies. At least until he went to see the ruins of Phoenix and Vegas and SoCal.
1. Being crushed by war 2:18 2. Too aristocratic 5:43 3. Becoming to conservative 9:39 4. Becoming too reformist 12:40 5. Becoming too Apollonian 16:16
Didn't expect anti communist rhetoric from him/them(America)?!? REALLY?!? I didn't hear any truth bombs in this video, just some vaguely and broadly described things from his (heavily biased) POW.
@@merchrich9758 yea all of Eastern Europe being an economic dumpster and every country there has a declining population really made me believe in giving all power in society to the bourgeoise.
How to kill a city: “there’s no need to destroy any buildings, there’s not even a need to kill any single resident in that city. The city can look as similar as it was before, but as long as it’s advantages and virtues are gone, the city will die.” Niu Kuang
All Marxist leaning us states. It's not just nyc bleeding dry, upstates recovery from the rust belt colapse has been killed in the cradle over a dozen times in just my 20 year lifetime.
Besides any superior military technology that the spaniards owned by themselves; one of the most important factors were they had around thousands of hundreds allied natives who where subordinated to the aztecs and they saw them as an opportunity to free themselves of the aztec rule. Despite of the tons of high casualities by the illness, they were still quite more than the spaniards. It'd be just impossible to defeat a city with 300-500k of population with less than 500 soldiers without a lot of help.
Whatifalthist-"Those who love you will fight to the death for you while those who fear you will back stab you when you're weak"-Future if ideology 8:08
The Mayans and Aztecs were the last remaining bronze age civillizations,and as he explained before bronze age civilizations is filled to the brim with discontent subjects that hated the rulers
The Aztecs kinda had it coming, ffs talk about being hated by your subjects The Incas are just sad, because their organization of state was too autistic to survive. The new emperors couldn't properly rule the lands they inherited because their forefathers mummies held power over it. Goddamn
The Aztecs rolled over many tributaries that hated them and were happy to join the Spanish , and the Inca had just gone through a civil war laving a huge portion of the population/political elite willing to try again with the Spanish. Both empires were ready to rip themselves apart when the Spanish arrived.
@@ihavenojawandimustscream4681 the Mayan were already in decline by the time the Aztecs started growing their island on the lake. The Aztecs based their beginnings on following the war god
I’d add another: environmental mismanagement - using up or destroying the resource your society needs to function, be it water, wood, fish, etc. About 50% of the examples in Jared Diamond’s ‘Collapse’ are in this class.
@@nathanseper8738 thats probably the point of this comment. But slow change doesnt kill. Anybody who sais things like "the world will end in 5 years" is trying to scam you. Dont get me wrong. Climate change is real but the alleged effects propagated by the establishment are clearly exagerrated. They have been predicting this stuff since the 60s and nothing has happened yet except for the hole in the ozon layer, which has been closed during the early 2000s throught a combined international effort because back then the threat was real.
@@jendreg1935 I wonder if you might enlighten us of any purpose of this kind. What is the purpose of a civilization? Expand and conquer? Make the people happy? Be supportive and stabilizing? And as stated, what might be the purpose of Detroit for the American society? Create war prepared young men? Be a reminder, of what you don’t want to achieve?
@@jonatanlj747 What do you expect the people in Western Europe to be like? Everyone like the golden one? I have to admit, many people just want a peaceful life and as little stress as possible, but who shall deny such goals? Getting lazy and unprecise in many areas might be a consequence of too little adrenaline in life, but how shall this be changed? Start a little warzone in the center of Munich, so that the people get a reminder, of what they have achieved and why? The people on the cultural borders were always the ones, who safe guarded europe and I believe in their will to survive, to keep the rest safe. Might sound harsh, but Hungary and Poland still Play their part as sacrifice for the west. And please, don’t confuse the young gamer-people and influencers and god knows what with all the hard working and disciplined people in the industry and technical works. They have a clear idea of who they are.
@Ž Š I hope so. Like the other guy said, there are of course people who still keep Europe going, but if Europe as a whole takes the path of Sweden then Europe will soon be very un-european.
@@lakeblackBLM You... You do know that anyone can click on your channel profile to take a look at your badly-thought-out, nonsensical communist propaganda, right?
Fun fact about the Roman conquest of Carthage: The Romans never actually salted the earth surrounding the city. Such a move (at that time in history) would have been so painfully expensive it never would’ve been worth it. In fact, what is now Tunis remained one of the wealthiest cities in the Western part of the empire up until the collapse of the Rome proper.
Capitalism will let a virus ravage our countries and then when the cases are low reopen everything cus capitalism is based on infinite consumption and consuming Which of course leads us to climate change. If them couldn’t get this virus under control y’all think we in any position for the coming climate change
@@lakeblackBLM honestly just get rid of massive cities. They produce nothing and consume everything. People in rural towns and small cities have been doing it right for year they usually grow some of their food or buy from someone local and aren't massive consumption centers
Althist:*makes video on how zombie apocalypse fascination comes with our desire to reject oppressive modern society and return to primalism* Also Althist:*makes second video on how to kill civilizations* I’m starting to see a pattern I’m not so sure I like…
Not to mention the point of most of his videos is "our civilization is going to collapse soon". At this point the only thing separating his predictions for Black Pigeon Speaks is he actually believe society will fall apart
@@Yuhyuhmuhmuh Yo at the rate how things are going I do expect some type of societal collapse to happen by the mid of the 21st century at the earliest.
@@Yuhyuhmuhmuh Not really? His video on why America is crazy now was him literally saying there was no way in hell America could possibly fall soon, and further explaining how even in the worst case scenario, it wouldn't happen. I think the worst he predicted (and he frankly says he does not trust his predictions because he's not God) was that in the future we might see at best a recession of some kind and...our country would become more isolationist. That's about it.
@@carlthesanellama3633 In my games I try and play it fair for the first 90% of the game. I get allies and respect the balance of power in the world while taking over the smaller nations. But in the last 10% I just launch all my nukes because at the end of the day I want to win. This video reminded me of that.
I saw this video and clicked on it to save it in my search history, went and got a bunch of losses in civ (following my failure to get a scientific victory, literally 2 games in a row I got rushed by Gilgamesh and died), and came back to watch the vid. Maybe it was foreshadowing after all.
Personally, I'd put a minor positive spin on the conclusions about Europe at the end. Unlike previous apollonian civilizations, we have something they did not - advanced communications. Also, furthermore, our culture is less dictated by the elites and more by common interests, which easily spread since you can very easily find anyone anywhere who has similar interests to you. For instance, modern-day art being deranged reflects less on the whole culture but more on the elite specifically. Any time I browse online and see modern art, it is always ridiculed by the vast majority of the comments - it only has support within the small niche that actually likes it. Even when it comes to news, we are slowly drifting away from the mainstream media dictating our views to independent commentators like Tim Pool and etc. Imo, I don't think Europe will go the way of the classical civilizations and could actually resurface once we eventually reach that threshold where being smeared by the MSM or the ''progressive'' far left (called racist, sexist etc) will no longer be taken seriously by anyone, even job givers (who will eventually be too frustrated that their pool of labourers is shrinking due to somehow everyone being racist/ sexist), and public discourse will be entirely led by more down to earth people. Basically, it's actually the information era equivalent of going from the bronze age, where the elite few hold all the power, to the iron age where well-off peasants can now hold power too and force the elites to mellow out. An off-the-hook example would be digital animation - if you haven't seen it, go and look up "Astartes" on youtube. A Warhammer 40K animation series (5 videos about 5 minutes long) with quality and craftsmanship easily on par if not better than many elite animation studios - except it was made by just one man with dedication and support from a fanbase that supported him due to merit.
That's some good insight hmm. The outlying factors are very much imp to consider when talking about such a large pool of interconnected variables leading upto a civilisation.
Good points. Does make me wonder if its possible for civilizations previously on the downturn to be able to change course for the better, and if there’s been any instances of that happening throughout history
@@alanledger1858 well, I guess China is a example of that, they collapse but them china is a thing again, it's not always for the better, but it is always changing.
@CatholicFasces al-andalusua getting conquered by the kingdoms up north had nothing to do with cultural decline and this whole video is wrong in most examples except the first. The caliphate of cordoba feel apart into small taifas after a civil war, allowing the now larger Christian kingdoms up north to pick off the taifas. Afterwards, when the almoravids came in, it stabilized again, but the almoravid ruler ended up pulling all the troops out of Iberia into morroco(don't remember why). This allowed the various kings up north to easily take lands, and I'm pretty sure the king of Castille straight up just walked into one of the cities.
@CatholicFasces I'm well aware they were zealots, the hell is your point. Being too conservative was also one of the points listed in this video. And the caliphate of cordoba you describe as being to open. I'm explaining to you how both fell due to things like civil war and not due to cultural decline.
it seems like his new upload schedule consists of two uploads every couple of weeks, which is great for us but don't overwork yourself! It would be a shame to see you burn out just for a few more uploads!
On the two reformist part that you missed a critical part of the equation the threats from both within and without. Unless they're the old upper class was so utterly despised that guy the time the revolution happens it has no supporters there will always be some people who want to go back to the old days.. at the same time other nearby Nations might look at those reformers and get spooked at the possibility of the same thing happening to them. A good example of this was the French Revolution, which the First Republic was immediately beset by angry neighbors who didn't want their own peasants to get any ideas and the rural areas who were not as keen on overthrowing the prior system.
@Erwin Rommel seeing you say you're from Iraq has made me realize that the way our society and schools treat/teach about Iraq makes it sound like a nuclear waste zone. I never considered people were still living there, let alone had internet. Is Iraq a democracy? What's going on there exactly?
@@dallyh.2960 it's the birthplace of western civilization, I'd hope people still live there every civilization in Europe and the Near East (and Mediterranean basin) is a continuation of Iraqi civilization
I've always been a fan of 1970s-80s European synth pop/disco, and I've noticed the quality drastically declines once the 90s rolls around lol Anyway if anyone wants a banger to listen to, search Soir de Folie - Cindy
Majorian, the last Roman emperor worthy of the name, was from the same southern Gallic aristocracy you name here as ineffectual and out of reality. Western Rome, simply, had no more armies, only foederati or mercenaries, almost all barbarians of descendants of barbarians. The coffers were empty, the state by then non-existent, divided between the private holdings of the powerful senatorial caste. Which were therefore forced to accommodate with the invaders, which came from much more egalitarian societies in comparison.
@@ulysses1320 ikr. His content is so deeply enlightening it's sooooo....like I take an hour or two watching his videos trying to take everything in, whilst talking with myself and learning a shit ton
The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory.
The entrenchment of conservatism in China began before the Mongol conquests, shortly before the Jurchen invasion of the Song Dynasty, though it certainly did accelerate during the Mongol Yuan and following two dynasties. The Ming were actually more tolerant of merchants than previous dynasties, even allowing them to take the imperial examinations. I know the persecution of "non-religiously based intellectual thought" thing was likely primarily directed at Islamic civilization, but a relatively secular worldview among the elite wasn't all that strange in Ming China, and it arguably saw the greatest flourishing of Chinese philosophy since the Warring States period well over a millennium and a half prior, with ideas somewhat reminiscent of feminism, constitutionalism, and progressivism appearing - though never reaching mainstream appeal - as well as some of the first and most renowned novels in Chinese history. These ideas just never took root in society or government.
Democratic Non authoritarian communism could work if everyone was a willing participant. But by that point it's not really even communism and kinda needs its own classification. I guess far left democratic socialism works.
There was no civilizational collapse in China around the same time of the Bronze Age collapse. The Shang dynasty was overthrown, but there was no decline in elite culture or demographic collapse.
I think there were a number of times when China split apart but yeah it's civilization survived and when the mogols took over China they just melted into the chinese identity for the most part. the true collapse of China has to be with the boxer rebelion, the end of the chinese emperor system and the civil wars which ended up with the CCP taking over and destroying most of it's culture, starving their own people and creating the one-child policy that is going to cause massive social problems and demografic problems in china.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 Well, that's certainly a lot of suffering, but it's not a civilizational collapse. The closest China has ever come to that was when the Han dynasty fell.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 Yeah, I agree that the old Chinese civilization died in the fires of the 19th and 20th century. But the damage caused by the Cultural Revolution is heavily exaggerated by Western academics and Chinese reactionaries. Yes, it did heavily damage the pre-revolution culture of the urban elite, but it was never entirely eliminated; Mao did not live long enough to carry out his plan to the fullest, and opposition from within the Party was too strong (thank the heavens for that!). The ROC and Hong Kong also acted as a reservoir of pre-Revolution traditional culture. But most importantly, the regional low culture of the rural commoners, who made up the overwhelming majority of China, was untouched. The descendants of these peasants are fueling China's current cultural renaissance, whether it be the revival of traditional Han aesthetics (Hanfu movement, Chinese nationalism) or pushing the China's avantegarde and contemporary art scene (underground music, contemporary literature, film, etc). Chinese millennials and Gen Z are more open to progressive ideas such as LGBT recognition, yet are also more patriotic and possess more civilizational/cultural confidence than their parents. That's not to say that the future is exactly rosy. The interpersonal competition that a market economy necessitates, and the near death of old faiths has created immense frustration among the youth, and is driving them to seek alternatives. Some go look for foreign ideas, others try to return to the earth, but many are drinking the CPC's wine of "national rejuvenation", or even more extreme forms of nationalism. (Western liberals decry China's encouragement of interethnic relationships as "cultural genocide", yet they promote the same things in their own countries. Funny how that works.)
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 Heheheh, learn more China history. As he said, Han collpase was far worse than fro mthe boxers to maoism. Too the mogol invasions. China has endured many hard situations.
11:32 There still is Imperial Worship in Japan, and the majority of Shinto practionciers (60% of japan's population) still believes the Imperial Family descended from the Kami (gods) it's just it isnt State Shintoism (like Japan had from 1869~1947) where it was encouraged if not enforced by the state,
One last objection regarding the Maya, Maya civilization was still kicking in Yucatan when the Europeans arrived, it was of course declining, with the major city centers slowly but steadily being abandoned, and a bunch of warring city-states subsisting in Yucatan, but the plagues basically finished them off, and they were eventually conquered.
The opinion of Tsarist Russia improving is optimistic: the largest class was still the peasantry, illiteracy was high, the orthodox church was overwhelmingly subverted by the state and thus not trusted, industrialization was slow, alcoholism was rampant (and state sanctioned), and the 1905 revolution had terrified the ruling elite into clamping down on reformism. The Russian Federation is the result of losing Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltics, Central Asia, the First World War, the Civil War, the purges, the starvations, the gulags, the Second World War, and the inevitable economic stagnation of the Soviet Union.
Whatifalthist, has always led his anti-communism take over to the point of praising tsarist russia for an economical growth that hardly existed. I myself am no communist, not even really left wing, but tsarist russia was basically medieval and very much not ready to become an industrial nation at that time. A people's tragedy by Orlando Figes goes into this in more detail.
I'm not very keen on this channel anyways in the way it describes civilisational collapse in general, way too broad, almost fundamentalist Christian in the way it describes decadence, agnosticism and Appolonian thinking as something that rots out a society (citing 0 evidence). Calling every dictatorial but egalitarian society ever "communist" (the Inca's for example, what the hell?).
I felt the same about Tsarist Russia, it's been a while since I really look into the history around this stuff, but I still remember how Russia failure in WWI caused the raise of the Soviet Union. So him saying the whole Russain empire fell because of communisim just sounds back words. Communisim was a reaction to the failing Russian empire not what was cause it fall. Makes me question his credentials on history in a whole
@@writingwyvern6065 not too mention that the empire fell in the FEBRUARY revolution, the Communists only took control in the OCTOBER revolution. The communist takeover was a reaction to the tsarist state having already failed
It's probably not possible. The U.S. cannot be saved from collapse. Wealth brings on decadence. There is no way around it. And the U.S. is very decadent right now. And despite what he says, we are more decadent than Europe. They largely work hard over there (it's why socialism can work over there, but not here), where Americans have become fat and lazy. Simply put, we have too much money. Where even the average poor person can afford fast food on a regular basis and then become fat and diabetic. Where as around the year 1900 people could not afford things like that, they couldn't even afford new clothes very often, and why sewing was a useful skill.
@@jimmym3352 Jimmy, pessimism aside, you are making factual statements that just are not true. Generally speaking, people in Western Europe work less than us. Significantly, measurably less. scholar.harvard.edu/files/alesina/files/work_and_leisure_in_the_u.s._and_europe.pdf Things get a lot harder to judge when it comes to income levels. On the one hand, the American middle class does seem to earn somewhat more, but government services provide less. Depending on the country, this may or may not make up the difference. I would argue that America's problems are not the result of decadence but rather the result of misinformation and cultish tribalism- especially amongst the American right-wing. That is not an inevitable decline.
I read some stuff about them and they just seem like dudes that wanted to chill and detach form the world. Too bad the world they lived in wasn't one that could be detached from. Honestly stoicism was the chad alternative at the time and the realistic one too.
I really appreciate that you understand the difference between liberalism and conservatism. I consider myself a Conservative Libertarian and I completely agree about all of the civilizations that fell apart because of Conservatism.
Life in Europe is just too comfortable and good compared to the rest of the world, which brings a lack of action to really do anything or risk it. Compare that to the U.S. where people who don't earn much money are literally incapable of paying the slightest visit at a hospital, and you'll see that the problem with Europe is that we just have it too good.
So basically, a healthy civilization can fend for itself, has a balanced and flexible stratification, keeps in touch with its heritage while making necessary changes, and ensures that growth is stable and hands aren't idle.
He needs to reread his text cards, but then again I get the feeling that he is the kind of person who would put things like "7 women per children" just to see if we actually read them.
That was the actual reality of the time for most of the world in the preindustrial era. Even today the least developed countries in Africa tend to have fertility rates between 5-7 children per woman.
@@macmurfy2jka They did. A very well educated group of guys made the constitution. Grant it, they didn't have the archaeological knowledge we do on the Bronze Age and such, but enough survived in the historical record and there were plenty of other examples for them to understand the idea meaningfully.
Don’t think so. You think the government, which has access to military grade weapons, advanced tactics, training, espionage, massive r&d, gps tracking, massive arsenal and much more will be afraid of modern day peasants? The government could simply cut off your internet, remove every bit of communication you have, use extreme force with far better trained units, air tactics, and so on against an angry population. We have come to a point that military tech is very advanced. You won’t stand a chance against a few invisible drones. No matter how much 2nd amendment supporters think can.
@@whiteipod2000 so you are saying that our right to bear arms is already too infringed? And btw study asymmetric warfare, there’s a reason we have been unable to eradicate terrorist insurgencies in the Middle East, Africa and Asia along with the drug cartels of south and Central America. You can’t win an ideological war with bullets, but it can be sustained by them. All an insurgency needs is guns enough on be a nuisance, land, time, and a cause. All of which, can or will be found in the USA in pretty large supply. We are already seeing serious civil disobedience around the subject forming. And that goes all the way up to the State Government level. Pull the type of shit you described in your post, and that will balkanize the every sympathetic person in the US. The military would be playing into the people’s hands as that is exactly what 2A proponents predict would happen. So, in summation, yes I do. They are very afraid. Oppression of a resistant, motivated, and armed population is the single hardest thing to do for our militarily. The US military has yet to really successfully do this anywhere. Why would that change with the home front? Also, don’t forget, these would be Americans shooting Americans, motivating military personnel to bomb one another is much more difficult than calling in a drone strike on some poor Arab Muslims in a far away land. I suggest you pick up Max Boot’s Invisible Armies or Savage Wars of Peace or John Nagl’s Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife for some reading on the subject. Max Boot’s books are good reads, very digestible.
@@whiteipod2000 Yes, yes, I used to be paranoid and terrified of "The They" too. You know that every government that starts murdering their own citizenry shoots themselves in the foot (economically, morale-wise, etc.), right? You know that every army is made up of people who have roughly the same emotional and empathetic potential as you, right (and don't believe the "American has an SS-like death cult" bullshit either. Evidence is lacking)? America, at the moment, is not built on contempt enough for "the government" to order "the military" to murder citizens without the human beings in the military not only questioning the order but rebelling openly. There ain't a military caste in this country. Some Army brats, sure, but the vast majority of the military was recruited *from the citizenry.* Asking them to kill everybody just because Insurrection isn't gonna happen. Furthermore, as Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq have shown (you're not gonna now tell me those conflicts are a figment of my imagination crafted by the techo-mage in charge of fooling my mind, are you?), the US Military really isn't built for a sustained guerilla war. The conventional military is built for WWII-style conflicts: large engagements against armies of roughly the same strength and military potential. The same reason why Yamamoto was terrified of invading the US applies here "a rifle behind every blade of grass." Sure, the military has additional toys to play with, but fighting a well-armed citizenry will take a lot of time and resources... a lot like the wars I mentioned above, which did wonders for the morale and public opinion of the US (sarcasm)... except here the public is being slowly executed, so call me coy, but I think the war you think will happen will go even worse. Then there's the nukes. Yeah... the ones in the silos are hard programed for targets in China and Russia (and they operate on technology 40+ years old). That leaves a nuke bomber. Assuming the crew is somehow apathetic enough to nuke a major US city (no, there are not nuke-capable drones. And even if there were, you still need somebody to remote-control it to its target and that person would need GPS and otherwise to know their position so you couldn't fool them into thinking they aren't nuking a US city), the backlash will start an insurrection (why would a Bond-Villain-US-President not tell the rest of the country he did it if the whole idea is to pacify the rest of the country?). Not a Civil War, because most of the military is not psychotic and would want to protect the citizens. Without people to man the powerful hardware, the Dr. Evil caste that somehow wants to murder its own people would be put down relatively quickly. Lastly, we come to the matter of resources. Most people--people that would come under attack by the military--have jobs. Jobs that involve making things (sure, plenty of us are in the service industry which makes us kinda-sorta-sorta-kinda useless by most survivalist metrics). You start killing everybody, they start running or hiding or fighting back... but the point is, they've stopped making the things. Things like food. Sure, the military and government has stockpiles but any sustained conflict is going to drain them and leave the country in shambles. Remember when I said the United States would shoot itself in the foot? This is what I mean. It'll just leave the door open for a foreign invasion. In Summary/TL;DR: 1. The US is not *culturally* a caste system [whatever grievances you or others may have about wage-slaves being peasants notwithstanding]. Give it a few more centuries. 2. As the majority of the military is ex-peasant, they are not readily willing to murder insolent vermin peasants for the King-President. 3. A country that kills its own people [even on a limited level, like, say, the Soviets] shoots itself in the foot, production and morale-wise. Also TL;DR: You gotta get out more, man. You'll find, as I did, that community and society is far more complex than you think. There are countless consequences, factors, and reactions to take into account when anything outrageous upsets communal balance. Anyway, I await your vitriol.
19:46 that is a effect of industrilization. USA suffer the same, china, and basically every industrialize/urbanized country in the world. Only Africa countries and few others have a large birth rate.
@@djdjukic yeah I don't care I have the dream to be the last all my kind to then finally make suicide and destroyed by myself my spices. However that dreams is only a lie when you notice that spices exist only because humanity categories them.
That ad was over two minutes long and I still have zero clue what Omaze is or what they do. Something with houses? Something with veterans? Terrific ad 😂
I’d really love to see an alternate history on “what if the northwest passage existed.” I think it would be really cool to examine the shift in culture to places in the west like Montana or Idaho and see if there would be any trading towns that would open up. Maybe the existence of a northwest passage means Britain does things differently in North America depending on what it is discovered. I just think it would be a cool video
It depends on what form the northwest passage takes, is it a weird river system and mountain lake similar to the Panama canal (a man made structure), is it an inland sea like the Mediterranean except connected to both sides of the continent, or does Canada and Alaska simply not exist so its just a big open ocean with a few islands for the northern boundary. (Depending on the scale of the changes the climate of north America would also get affected but that can be ignored for simplicity) Once you settle the geologic change it becomes time to declare which colonial power gets the most control over it and when. I assume eventually the Panama canal would still get built bit not before large cities rise along the north west passage the same way the rose on the Great Lakes + St. Lawrence, Erie Canal, and Mississippi.
13:02 "How dare you denegrate the glorious revolution! I am going to go on to r/badhistory and epicly OWN you with two sources, one of which being wikipedia"
@@bigboineptune9567 Reddit has never been right wing. Its been mostly slightly left with pockets of right and left. Tumblr didn't move there. They went other places, they wouldn't survive on redidt or 4chan. Reddit used to be more like 4chan, both weren't right or left. It was just anarchy like the old internet.
I literally just ended watching your new video about the monsters of human's mythology. I wasn't expecting to see another of your videos! Great job man :D
@@cseijifja It is. And it is disliked mostly for Diamond leaning too much on environmental determinism and for his attempts to apply the same schemes to other European colonial endeavours such as Africa (that totally doesn't fit to it).
I'm actually reading this book at the moment. On the part that explains how certain animals were domesticated and others not. Though this is the issue, should we try harder to domesticate the acorn? In doing so we'd be more motivated to plant more oaks
@@masterhind2036 he only knows about america and europe, but what he knows about europe is always from an english point of view, which equals to pretty much knowing almost nothing about europe
Not just SEA, his knowledge about current China, India, Africa is almost nonexistent. I feel like what he knows about these places are stucked at 20 or even 30 years ago, and he also doesn’t know a whole lot about Europe outside of UK.
I disagree on wiping out elite, in Peru. For centuries Spaniards intermarried with aristocratic peruvian women, by lack of european women, and because it gave to newcomers a social status they did not have in Spain. This women in turn educated their daughter to seek "good marriage", renforcing a network of women influence. And the quechua peasant kept their language and part of their rites, despite the ferocious intolerance of Spanish church.
Dude, the Mayan conquest took like 200 years. They did not "have no desire to rebuild" they literally fought tooth and nail not to lose it in the first place. Even after their classic period collapse, which you might be referring to, they still continued existing for 700+ years. There were still plenty of kingdoms and City states around when the Spanish arrived. I find it strange that so many people believe the Mayans just disappeared off the face of the earth mysteriously.
A bone-headed take to end an otherwise good video. The lives of Europeans have improved radically since the second world war. Their people (referring to Western Europe specifically) are happier, healthier, and better-educated than the people in the United States. Germany and the UK are economic powerhouses, and France, the UK, and Germany all have powerful militaries. Yes, countries like Hungary and Poland are an absolute mess, but the heavy hitters - those other three I mentioned - are doing well. I'd really like to see some concrete evidence behind his vague claims about "art" and "philosophy."
@Félix Sánchez Not very true ,the UK handed over the lead of power to the US by giving everything to defeat Germany in ww2, they could made a deal and conserve their empire ,but they did no see the big picture that by pleading to the US and USSR for help they will lose their position in the world ,if i had been the PM of Brittan i would had make a deal .
@@CatastrophicDisease They are slaves to the US alliance my friend and no more than lap dog ,its sad to see proud countries that ruled the world to be so spineless .
I remember watching a documentary on the pyramids of Giza and they went through the food that the peasant who built the pyramids ate a lot of beer, bread and meat at least with egypt you got paid by eating very well
Sorry I am from Europe (more precously Germany) and I need to say the biggest Issue we face in Europe, or to be more precous the whole Globe, is the big wealth inequalitiy which is coming onto us. The declining Birthrate is not good but it can be handeld
Anyone interested in this (mostly excellent) video should also read Ronald Wright's "A Short History of Progress" (or listen to the lecture series). It's a really short book about the death of five different civilizations due to a combination of environmental problems and stupidity (or at least cultural blindness leading them to not adjust course appropriately). I was really surprised to not see "ignore climate/environmental issues" as one of the key items on Whatifalthist's list.
The Ottomans contracted out the building of the cannons, long story. They came from a European arms maker. After the fall of Constantinople there was no exploitation of guns and artillery.
The real problem in Europe is that no one believes our societies and civilization is nearing an almost inevitable collapse. The goal of vast majority of population is to just cruise through life as easy as possible and have as much fun as possible. We have become old, tired, childless, scared and spirituality shallow people. It hurts me to say this, but it's true.
11:57 Technically this is incorrect. The Persians _adopted_ Mesopotamian culture, this included using Cuneiform and then Aramaic as the written language for most Iranian languages. The Persians also adopted the Mesopotamian religion as well as having a religion adapted from the ancient Assyrian god Ashur as "Ahura Mazda" and created Zoroastrianism. Zoroastrianisms difference was that it was a monotheist religion where the worship of Ashur by the ancient Assyrians was supplemented by worship of other gods, making the ancient Assyrians range between polytheistic and henotheistic. Another piece of evidence that Persians adopted Mesopotamian culture is the celebration of Nowruz which is pretty much the Akitu festival and Assyrio-Babylonian symbolism like the rising sun, lion (via Leo constellation from Babylonian astronomers), the Ahura Mazda symbol itself was adapted from the Ashur symbol. It wasn't that the Persians were nice either, they also used ideas from the ancient Assyrians like deporting people (which Persians did to rebellious Greeks in Anatolia) or brutally executing rebel leaders (this was pretty much a standard rule though, not exclusively Assyrian). The Persians adapted an earlier system set in place by the ancient Assyrian kings where, if the Persians (and Medes) paid their taxes, they would left alone to their own devices. The Persians knew that in order to rule a huge, multi-ethnic empire, they needed an easy to learn administrative language that was already commonly used, a functional bureaucracy within the governmental administration, and a competent king; all 3 things were already done by the Assyrian kings where the Persians decided to be less intrusive than the ancient Assyrian kings were.
idk about most of this but Zoroastrianism is a religion of Indo European origin with some influence form non Iranian outsiders such as the elamites. Ahura Mazda is not ashur. Ahura Mazda is the Iranian version of the god Uranus also the creation myth of Zoroastrianism is very very different from that of those of the Mesopotamian religions.
Yeah, even trends have more exceptions than rules and while his content is entertaining, he sprinkles in completely unfounded statements and opinions- one that I can speak to was Tsarist Russia. It did have potential, but would not have lasted long due to Nicholas' inability to rule. The policy of aggressive Russification was breeding mutiny among minority groups, and Russia had failed to embrace liberal values and update their military. There were simply too many problems, and 'not communist' = 'better' is a huge simplification. He does this in pretty much every video, and it starts to annoy me
@@LancesArmorStriking why we neet liberal vallues? We neet stable strong institutions,peace, strong religion (but free science)...education based on natural science and traditionalism...no Individualism ..a gouverment should plan the next 100 years... maby that didnt sound like a good party fun live but a stable option. Russia only collapsed when it was too progressive (gorbatschev) or had week leaders (nicolaus or jelzin)
@@milanvitu3963 That's all true but I meant 'liberal' from Tsarist times. He didn't allow the Duma to do anything and the serfs and peasants rose up against him. If Nikolas followed Western values of freedom and let the serfs free they would keep working for him happily, just with better conditions and pay. Then Russia economy would grow in 1910s and they could have been stable instead of revolution.
@@LancesArmorStriking the leaders in St. Petersburg where out of touch with the rest of the country. Without world war 1 there would be maby a peasant Revolution lead by preasts (like the islamic Revolution in iran againt the sha)...the capital would be moved to moskwa, the regions would be self gouverned with peoples councils under a all russian supreme leader...but total democracy would not be practical in such a big multiethnic country ...western groups would infiltrate russia like they did in serbia or under jelzin
It's a reoccuring theme of the videos. He tends to analyze complex topics, while using generalizations when it comes to details. Like when he said that the ancient Egypt was communistic (alternate history video about industrialized Greeks) or when he compared Spanish Empire to the rest of Europe and said that the latter one wasn't religios or zelous (video about Latin America and why it sucks).
I was doing chores this morning and I chose to listen to something enlightening instead of just music. I soon found myself drawn away from the sink and cutting board and was sitting and listening to you expound on your premise (which I think of with the more descriptive title of "Why Civilizations Die." On my first exposure to your video, I believe you have many correct observations. I do not see any faults with your postulations, and I look forward to listening to it again, take a few notes, and think about it. I suspect I may find myself agreeing with you whole-heartedly and sending a link to this video to people I know. From a technical standpoint: your video was excellent. Your voice is well suited to video, you do not mispronounce words, you do not have an annoying accent (I once worked with a fellow who had an 'actual' Brooklyn accent like is only heard in really old B&W movies), and your pace of speaking is perfectly suited for me. In conclusion, I think this is a great video and I would like to express my gratitude to you for sharing it. I will listen (maybe watch this time)to it again in the near future. TY.
@sadman sad I read it again. What are you implying that I missed? He's expressing disbelief and revulsion; I'm speaking to that disbelief by saying that such phenomena still take place today
That’s a ridiculous assertion spawning from a romanticized telling of the past. How was society in the 18-19th centuries any more stable, cohesive, or moral than today’s? Just in America, there was a revolutionary war, the breaking of treaties with native Americans, human slavery, sending U.S. troops to invade Mexican territory in an excuse to go to war with them and take land, multiple local rebellions against the governments state and federal, a civil war over slavery, after which was almost in vain due to the allowance of Jim Crow laws to fester till they were acted upon during this “decadence” era. Workers had almost no rights prior to the 20th century, and were infamously treated poorly in cities. Women, especially when young adults, had little rights to determine a path for themselves. Need I go on? Society has never been as peaceful, lively (as far as life expectancy) , and wealthy as it is today. Will this last forever? Probably not. But to think that times in the past were somehow more prosperous for all of humanity, is an insult to all those former societies laid the groundwork for what we have accomplished accomplished now.
@@Phaenes Maybe not prosperous for mankind, but yes for american culture. USa is destroying itslef, when it dies, China will colonize it. Iw wont be USa anymore, will be a China colony.
@@Phaenes I dont understand you’re point, you literally described why we are decadent compared to how it used to be for the USA. Like you said, American society has never been so peaceful and wealthy. Like you proved my point while trying to prove me wrong 😂 i think?? Idk man i think ur confused
@J K Sorry? The definition of decadence is “ characterized by or reflecting a state of moral or cultural decline.” You agreed with his narrative of societies going through barbarism, civilization, then decadence; is applicable to America today if you look at its history. My retort was that in no way is American any less civilized currently than it ever has been before the past two centuries, as whatifaltist implied in this video, which you agreed with. What are you missing? There’s no way we are in a decadence period if you look at how backwards our [American] was society in the past.
@@BlondBeast Ahhh the classic reactionary mindset. “It’s okay for me to be evil because there is no other option” If the current society and institutions don’t work why not say change them? Instead of just tearing it all down and building more of the same? We can’t move any of the ethnic American minorities without genocide and genocide is not an option. Not because of morality but because it literally would not work. So why don’t we forge a new society built on new ideals? Of economic equality? Of class equality?
His output is increasing exponentially.
Yea it’s getting good
Sorry im confused but he hadnt posted a video for 3 weeks. Theres nothing wrong with that but normally Rudy posts once every 1 and a half week
By the end of next week he will have a million videos
@@stfnknbb im assuming this is sarcasm
Gooood… goood….
Whatifalthist: You should be neither too conservative nor too progressive.
Latin America: why can‘t I be both?
We are, in all the wrong ways
It's a fucking mess here 🤣
Hello? This is Peru speaking. Yes, I'd like far-left Communist and extremist fascist right-wing please. No fries.
Por qué no los dos
@@a.wadderphiltyr1559 Has to do with the definition of "right wing" and the social views. People are idiots regardless.
“Overthinking means you know the right answer but don’t want to accept it” nice
Idk if I agree with that statement but man when I heard it I paused the video and it made me….think lol
The "right" answer, that is only right for you or for who forced it onto you
That a good advice when you're doing a test
@@pedroxyo so if i say "2 + 2 = 4 " is right... is that answer right only for me or for eveyrone that is a logical rational human being ? EXACTLY. Some things in this world are easy and simple to understand and when you look them , you can say you have the right answer
;)
@@Dan_Kanerva
Key word SOME things are simpler to understand if you’re a rational thinker observer.
However human beings are complicated subjects, I personally tend to overthink a lot because I think of many possible scenarios that could happen due to my actions, and if you take that to a leader of a complex society it’s a lot of pressure to take the best decisions for the best possible outcome, some may have good results in the near future but bad consequences in the long run and viceversa, the world is constantly changing, and strategic thoughts are the best way to avoid bad decisions.
"The horrors or Nazism, Communism, and Euro Dance Pop"
Take a bow sir.
What horrors of Communism?
@@reek4062 Holodomor? Cultural Revolution? Hello?!!
@@reek4062 you kidding?
“Euro Dance Pop”😂
@@reek4062 like how Ramsay tortures you lol
It vaguely sounds like how to be a proper individual.
1. Don't get killed
2. Don't be a Karen
3. Don't be too afraid of change
4. Don't lose your identity
5. Don't overthink
6. Be a Chad
Its proper for a reason.
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>Karen
that's because the way a society acts reflects the way its people act
So, what's the best words to sum it up in one sentence?
Damn, he really went in on modern day Europe. Just straight up roasted them.
@@dejankojic4293 well, its not like anyone in europe cares avout eurovision. But yes, the idea is there. The US is so culturally dominant its killed a lot of european identity.
@@popkhorne5372 UE is just a copy o USA.
He really has a point. One of the most frequent arguments made by Islamists is that Europeans don't breed, and therefore need a massive influx of migrants, a.k.a. Islam.
@@dejankojic4293 To me it just shows internationalism. In order to be understood and actually be entertaining to watch and listen to and yeah a good reason to why most of the songs sounds like something from the US is because lots of the songwriters write songs for basically the English speaking world anyway.
Overall the world is dying. Its just some nations doing a little better at status quo than others. We need a new age of exploration and science.
How to be a civilization, which is doomed to dissolution:
1. If enough of certain people are killed, for your society it's the end of the deal.
2. If you give too much power to the rich, don't be surprised if the poor bury you in a ditch.
3. If you're too afraid of change, another's victory will be arranged.
4. If you change too quickly to keep a solid foundation, you deserve ruination.
5. If you're too detached from reality, you will become a fatality.
I love how this rhymes
Reads as a poem.
That's so well written! You may have lost the chance to get 1000 likes, but I genuinely think that if you were there when the video released, you would have 1000 likes.
To be honest, this poem also serves as a "How to survive and be a decent person as well"
I love this
Thank you all for the wonderful reviews!
Comments like this are what pump up my muse!😝
I love your statement about Communist Russia and how it destroyed a great nation. I was born in the Soviet Union and as I get older I enjoy and study a lot of Russian history and I've come to the same exact conclusion that if the Communist did not destroy Russia from within it could have been the great superpower of the 20th century.
This to be honest, it had the potential to become great...
not just communism but the sheer losses suffered during ww2 also played a factor.
I am somewhat thankful, as a neighbour of Russia, but man would it have been a great civilization. A russia which is actually somewhat well populated and moving forward. If only the Tsars had reformed enough in time.
That's exactly why is was infected with communism.
It still does have potential but it's alot less but they really need to get there act together and they 100% have time to do so but not alot.
The soviets ruined there best opportunity and only redeeming factor was the neuclear deterant they gave russia.
2 in a row? You’re really spoiling us
after three weeks...
Don’t complain
What if England stayed Catholic?
@@mint8648 l remember you from the video
@@manuelduarte3039 ?
“How to kill a civilization” exactly what I need to know...
America BEGONE!!!
*Shit Arabia*
he already discussed this before
@@Themehsofproduction NEVER!!!!!!!
@@Themehsofproduction that statement makes you a HERETIC
This is one of the most important history videos ever. I'm Russian and western people rarely if ever understand my utter rejection of the socialist and Marxist thought that's been infecting the west over the past few decades. When an ideology annihilates a civilization, those who survive the carnage develop an immunity to that ideology. Sadly, weaker minds are easy pickings for Marxist ideology, and certain parts of Western world seem to cultivate more weaker minds nowadays. Love your content!
Agree
Marxism is like anything else : too much of it like in Russia destroys a civilisation but a moderate dosage like in Scandinavia prevents other evils such as too much conservatism or too much aristocracy.
Marxism is like anything else : too much of it like in Russia destroys a civilisation but a moderate dosage like in Scandinavia prevents other evils such as too much conservatism or too much aristocracy. In China when the cultural Revolution broke out the classical civilization had died under the combined assault of the Manchus and then of the opium-dealing Westerners. There remained practically nothing and the very little that remained was evil. The Manchu empire has destroyed Taoism and the Westerners burned far more books in the name of Christianity than the cultural Revolution would do. There remained more Chinese culture outside China than in China. In Taiwan the US built Confucianism all over again from the little knowledge they had gathered of it as a tool to combat communism : it didn’t exist on that island beforehand and the Kuomintang who took power were as stupidly fascistic as the Maoists.
As an American, I agree
Same here
“Overthinking means you know what the answer is, and don’t wanna deal with it” thank you for that wisdom AltHist
The Moderate creed: 'Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out.'
Agreed
Yup
Counterpoint: radical anti-centrism as a means of accelerationism
@@dakotahawkins5226 You mean the modern US?
LOL
(An oral account, given by an illiterate shepherd from lake mead Nevada, a few hundred years from now.)
When I was a boy, I I grew tired of tending my father’s cornfields, and spent a year hunting and trapping in the wilderness with my uncle. He showed me everything, from the great salt water of the west, to the cold mountains of the east. That was the first time I ever saw snow. But what impressed me most were the ruins! I could hardly believe so much glass existed in one place. But we never explored thoroughly, for fear of the terrible spirits which must protect such treasures. There were fewer ruins in the west though, because it rains too often on the sea side, and all the metal rusts away. But we did harpoon a lot of walrus that winter. That’s how I got this ivory necklace. Killed the big red devil myself.
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
"I could hardly believe so much glass existed in one place." OOF
just a big oof.
@@AlbertWillHelmWestings2618 Well glass is rather difficult to make. In pre-industrial societies it’s only slightly less precious than the gemstones that it often imitates. The young fellow I wrote about Probably never saw any glass but the beads on his mother’s necklace, or maybe a crystal chalice used for religious ceremonies. At least until he went to see the ruins of Phoenix and Vegas and SoCal.
@@1lobster yeah makes sense
It’s so strange to think of the lands of North America being disparate and unconnected. I’m so used to thinking of it as a cohesive unit and nation.
1. Being crushed by war 2:18
2. Too aristocratic 5:43
3. Becoming to conservative 9:39
4. Becoming too reformist 12:40
5. Becoming too Apollonian 16:16
the anti communist rant got me hooked. i live in a post soviet country and did not expect an american to start throwing these truth bombs
Didn't expect anti communist rhetoric from him/them(America)?!? REALLY?!? I didn't hear any truth bombs in this video, just some vaguely and broadly described things from his (heavily biased) POW.
@@gvozdenkuronja7414 lmaoo just take a breath and go outside bro
@@merchrich9758 yea all of Eastern Europe being an economic dumpster and every country there has a declining population really made me believe in giving all power in society to the bourgeoise.
@@lakeblackBLM were they on the rise while being under the iron curtain ?
@@lakeblackBLM None of them got worse, also Baltic states and Poland developed significantly after fall of Iron curtain
How to kill a city: “there’s no need to destroy any buildings, there’s not even a need to kill any single resident in that city. The city can look as similar as it was before, but as long as it’s advantages and virtues are gone, the city will die.” Niu Kuang
exodus
More like Hong Kong
Nyc
All Marxist leaning us states. It's not just nyc bleeding dry, upstates recovery from the rust belt colapse has been killed in the cradle over a dozen times in just my 20 year lifetime.
Hong Kong, for the last 23 years, colourized.
Besides any superior military technology that the spaniards owned by themselves; one of the most important factors were they had around thousands of hundreds allied natives who where subordinated to the aztecs and they saw them as an opportunity to free themselves of the aztec rule. Despite of the tons of high casualities by the illness, they were still quite more than the spaniards. It'd be just impossible to defeat a city with 300-500k of population with less than 500 soldiers without a lot of help.
Whatifalthist-"Those who love you will fight to the death for you while those who fear you will back stab you when you're weak"-Future if ideology 8:08
The Mayans and Aztecs were the last remaining bronze age civillizations,and as he explained before bronze age civilizations is filled to the brim with discontent subjects that hated the rulers
The Aztecs kinda had it coming, ffs talk about being hated by your subjects
The Incas are just sad, because their organization of state was too autistic to survive. The new emperors couldn't properly rule the lands they inherited because their forefathers mummies held power over it. Goddamn
The Aztecs rolled over many tributaries that hated them and were happy to join the Spanish , and the Inca had just gone through a civil war laving a huge portion of the population/political elite willing to try again with the Spanish. Both empires were ready to rip themselves apart when the Spanish arrived.
@@ihavenojawandimustscream4681 the Mayan were already in decline by the time the Aztecs started growing their island on the lake. The Aztecs based their beginnings on following the war god
I’d add another: environmental mismanagement - using up or destroying the resource your society needs to function, be it water, wood, fish, etc. About 50% of the examples in Jared Diamond’s ‘Collapse’ are in this class.
Makes me nervous about climate change.
@@nathanseper8738 thats probably the point of this comment. But slow change doesnt kill. Anybody who sais things like "the world will end in 5 years" is trying to scam you.
Dont get me wrong. Climate change is real but the alleged effects propagated by the establishment are clearly exagerrated.
They have been predicting this stuff since the 60s and nothing has happened yet except for the hole in the ozon layer, which has been closed during the early 2000s throught a combined international effort because back then the threat was real.
He goes hard on Europe, but no German city is like Detroit…
Europe is more comfortable but has no purpose or ideals
@@jendreg1935 I wonder if you might enlighten us of any purpose of this kind. What is the purpose of a civilization? Expand and conquer? Make the people happy? Be supportive and stabilizing? And as stated, what might be the purpose of Detroit for the American society? Create war prepared young men? Be a reminder, of what you don’t want to achieve?
You can't deny how decadent Europe is though. We're a civilization begging to be shot, we've lost our own drive to exist.
@@jonatanlj747 What do you expect the people in Western Europe to be like? Everyone like the golden one? I have to admit, many people just want a peaceful life and as little stress as possible, but who shall deny such goals? Getting lazy and unprecise in many areas might be a consequence of too little adrenaline in life, but how shall this be changed? Start a little warzone in the center of Munich, so that the people get a reminder, of what they have achieved and why? The people on the cultural borders were always the ones, who safe guarded europe and I believe in their will to survive, to keep the rest safe. Might sound harsh, but Hungary and Poland still Play their part as sacrifice for the west. And please, don’t confuse the young gamer-people and influencers and god knows what with all the hard working and disciplined people in the industry and technical works. They have a clear idea of who they are.
@Ž Š I hope so. Like the other guy said, there are of course people who still keep Europe going, but if Europe as a whole takes the path of Sweden then Europe will soon be very un-european.
“Ferb... I know what we’re gonna do today”
This channel is full of lies and the guys a right wing Christian nut just look him up on badhistory
@@lakeblackBLM He didnt ask , and thus doesnt give a shit , keep your opinions to yourself when literally no one else cared or asked for them
@@walx274 didn’t ask
@@lakeblackBLM You... You do know that anyone can click on your channel profile to take a look at your badly-thought-out, nonsensical communist propaganda, right?
@@lakeblackBLM I didn't know that interesting.
last time I was this early western rome stood proudly
@good luck 😃 stop
@good luck 😃 I don't want to make orange ice cream.
*The Ottomans laugh silently 👁👄👁
Fun fact about the Roman conquest of Carthage: The Romans never actually salted the earth surrounding the city. Such a move (at that time in history) would have been so painfully expensive it never would’ve been worth it. In fact, what is now Tunis remained one of the wealthiest cities in the Western part of the empire up until the collapse of the Rome proper.
Carthage survived as a Roman city in much the same sense that Constantinople survived as a Turkish city and that Teotihuacan lives as Mexico City.
It's so cool to see the prequels of how we are going to kick the bucket as a civilization in a few years
Capitalism will let a virus ravage our countries and then when the cases are low reopen everything cus capitalism is based on infinite consumption and consuming
Which of course leads us to climate change. If them couldn’t get this virus under control y’all think we in any position for the coming climate change
@@lakeblackBLM what?
@@lakeblackBLM What do you want us to do? Remain on permanent lockdown?
@@lakeblackBLM honestly just get rid of massive cities. They produce nothing and consume everything. People in rural towns and small cities have been doing it right for year they usually grow some of their food or buy from someone local and aren't massive consumption centers
It takes decades bro, most of the changes will only be visible in retrospect not whilst they happen
Althist:*makes video on how zombie apocalypse fascination comes with our desire to reject oppressive modern society and return to primalism*
Also Althist:*makes second video on how to kill civilizations*
I’m starting to see a pattern I’m not so sure I like…
Not to mention the point of most of his videos is "our civilization is going to collapse soon". At this point the only thing separating his predictions for Black Pigeon Speaks is he actually believe society will fall apart
At this rate Rudyard's next videos will be "How to Walk Like a Quadruped" "Chimpanzee Tribe Politics" and "How to Forage for Wild Fruits".
@@Yuhyuhmuhmuh Yo at the rate how things are going I do expect some type of societal collapse to happen by the mid of the 21st century at the earliest.
@@bigboineptune9567 new video will be "how to return to monkey in five easy steps."
@@Yuhyuhmuhmuh Not really? His video on why America is crazy now was him literally saying there was no way in hell America could possibly fall soon, and further explaining how even in the worst case scenario, it wouldn't happen. I think the worst he predicted (and he frankly says he does not trust his predictions because he's not God) was that in the future we might see at best a recession of some kind and...our country would become more isolationist.
That's about it.
Me who plays Civ 6: *furiously takes notes*
(Jeff points to Matt)
Quick, Notepad!
(Matt eating a doughnut)
(Muffled) Wha-
I said *WRITE IT NOW*
* inhales * N U K E S
@@carlthesanellama3633 In my games I try and play it fair for the first 90% of the game. I get allies and respect the balance of power in the world while taking over the smaller nations. But in the last 10% I just launch all my nukes because at the end of the day I want to win. This video reminded me of that.
@@jwkerr007 sounds like a Ghandi move to me
I saw this video and clicked on it to save it in my search history, went and got a bunch of losses in civ (following my failure to get a scientific victory, literally 2 games in a row I got rushed by Gilgamesh and died), and came back to watch the vid. Maybe it was foreshadowing after all.
Personally, I'd put a minor positive spin on the conclusions about Europe at the end. Unlike previous apollonian civilizations, we have something they did not - advanced communications. Also, furthermore, our culture is less dictated by the elites and more by common interests, which easily spread since you can very easily find anyone anywhere who has similar interests to you. For instance, modern-day art being deranged reflects less on the whole culture but more on the elite specifically. Any time I browse online and see modern art, it is always ridiculed by the vast majority of the comments - it only has support within the small niche that actually likes it. Even when it comes to news, we are slowly drifting away from the mainstream media dictating our views to independent commentators like Tim Pool and etc.
Imo, I don't think Europe will go the way of the classical civilizations and could actually resurface once we eventually reach that threshold where being smeared by the MSM or the ''progressive'' far left (called racist, sexist etc) will no longer be taken seriously by anyone, even job givers (who will eventually be too frustrated that their pool of labourers is shrinking due to somehow everyone being racist/ sexist), and public discourse will be entirely led by more down to earth people.
Basically, it's actually the information era equivalent of going from the bronze age, where the elite few hold all the power, to the iron age where well-off peasants can now hold power too and force the elites to mellow out. An off-the-hook example would be digital animation - if you haven't seen it, go and look up "Astartes" on youtube. A Warhammer 40K animation series (5 videos about 5 minutes long) with quality and craftsmanship easily on par if not better than many elite animation studios - except it was made by just one man with dedication and support from a fanbase that supported him due to merit.
That's some good insight hmm. The outlying factors are very much imp to consider when talking about such a large pool of interconnected variables leading upto a civilisation.
@@harshjain3122 indeed true
Good points. Does make me wonder if its possible for civilizations previously on the downturn to be able to change course for the better, and if there’s been any instances of that happening throughout history
@@alanledger1858 well, I guess China is a example of that, they collapse but them china is a thing again, it's not always for the better, but it is always changing.
kind of like the printing press indirectly massively increasing the protestant reformation
1: losing wars
2: too aristocratic
3: too conservative
4: too reformist
5: too apolinian
2 is being too aristocratic
@CatholicPagan not really, take a look at the beginning of Al Andalus
@CatholicPagan liberalism and commercial tolerance values. It follows the j.
@CatholicFasces al-andalusua getting conquered by the kingdoms up north had nothing to do with cultural decline and this whole video is wrong in most examples except the first. The caliphate of cordoba feel apart into small taifas after a civil war, allowing the now larger Christian kingdoms up north to pick off the taifas. Afterwards, when the almoravids came in, it stabilized again, but the almoravid ruler ended up pulling all the troops out of Iberia into morroco(don't remember why). This allowed the various kings up north to easily take lands, and I'm pretty sure the king of Castille straight up just walked into one of the cities.
@CatholicFasces I'm well aware they were zealots, the hell is your point. Being too conservative was also one of the points listed in this video. And the caliphate of cordoba you describe as being to open. I'm explaining to you how both fell due to things like civil war and not due to cultural decline.
it seems like his new upload schedule consists of two uploads every couple of weeks, which is great for us but don't overwork yourself! It would be a shame to see you burn out just for a few more uploads!
Don't overthink it, homie is getting his vitamin D and has more motivation😎 sunny season baby
each have different sponsors, I think it has some to do with that
2 videos in a row, we are spoiled today.
@good luck 😃 fuck you ; you got me
On the two reformist part that you missed a critical part of the equation the threats from both within and without. Unless they're the old upper class was so utterly despised that guy the time the revolution happens it has no supporters there will always be some people who want to go back to the old days.. at the same time other nearby Nations might look at those reformers and get spooked at the possibility of the same thing happening to them. A good example of this was the French Revolution, which the First Republic was immediately beset by angry neighbors who didn't want their own peasants to get any ideas and the rural areas who were not as keen on overthrowing the prior system.
“Most of you are too young to drink” damn you really do know your fans lol
I'm 30
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15 but I'm gonna be 16 on August 5th.
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Liquor laws are for losers
I love how he starts the video by advertising a house I could literally walk to from my place
lucky you! ^_^ Enjoy this world while it lasts! ^_^
@Erwin Rommel 🚨🚨✨
My cousin lives across the highway in Riverside and I was like 👁 👄 👁
@Erwin Rommel seeing you say you're from Iraq has made me realize that the way our society and schools treat/teach about Iraq makes it sound like a nuclear waste zone. I never considered people were still living there, let alone had internet. Is Iraq a democracy? What's going on there exactly?
@@dallyh.2960 it's the birthplace of western civilization, I'd hope people still live there
every civilization in Europe and the Near East (and Mediterranean basin) is a continuation of Iraqi civilization
Thank you, whatifalthist. The next time I find myself in charge of a powerful empire, I'll know what not to do.
I only wish I'd had this available to me when I ruled over the mayans. I feel so stupid now!
@@blartversenwaldiii same i made the same mistake with the Persian should have watched this video first
Redditor moments.
I agree, Euro dance pop is one of the biggest tragedies of modern history
What is that? Basically modern pop?
@@grahamturner2640 No, look up Eurodance. It was a joke.
@@nedisahonkey so Eurovision?
@@nedisahonkey But not really.
I've always been a fan of 1970s-80s European synth pop/disco, and I've noticed the quality drastically declines once the 90s rolls around lol
Anyway if anyone wants a banger to listen to, search Soir de Folie - Cindy
Majorian, the last Roman emperor worthy of the name, was from the same southern Gallic aristocracy you name here as ineffectual and out of reality. Western Rome, simply, had no more armies, only foederati or mercenaries, almost all barbarians of descendants of barbarians. The coffers were empty, the state by then non-existent, divided between the private holdings of the powerful senatorial caste. Which were therefore forced to accommodate with the invaders, which came from much more egalitarian societies in comparison.
yes a broken clock gets the time right twice a day, majorian is an exception
First, alternate history
After that, Geopolitics
Then, Philosophy
Now a tutorial
Is this pointing somewhere?
almost the same as jk rowling going into geopolitics, philosophy, and now tutorial
Just making us Renaissance men, nothing more
He's making more practical content with each day.
@@ulysses1320 ikr. His content is so deeply enlightening it's sooooo....like I take an hour or two watching his videos trying to take everything in, whilst talking with myself and learning a shit ton
Next he's gonna do a speedrun of taking over the world.
The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory.
Who said that? That's a great quote.
@@ivangrozny496 Lord Solar Macharius I believe.
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women.
Conan the Philosopher
Even better if you can get your enemy to willingly do it to themselves. That's what's happening to Western Civilization.
@@GeraltofRivia22 sad but true
Did he just say that extremes are destructive? Yay, sane person on this site!
All extremes must unite to destroy any and all the centrists. Those cooperative bastards!
@@jonahworledge111 based?
Right left top bottom! Fuck the middle!
There is no gray area there are only extremes
@@BoredLoserAlpha South America momento
The entrenchment of conservatism in China began before the Mongol conquests, shortly before the Jurchen invasion of the Song Dynasty, though it certainly did accelerate during the Mongol Yuan and following two dynasties. The Ming were actually more tolerant of merchants than previous dynasties, even allowing them to take the imperial examinations. I know the persecution of "non-religiously based intellectual thought" thing was likely primarily directed at Islamic civilization, but a relatively secular worldview among the elite wasn't all that strange in Ming China, and it arguably saw the greatest flourishing of Chinese philosophy since the Warring States period well over a millennium and a half prior, with ideas somewhat reminiscent of feminism, constitutionalism, and progressivism appearing - though never reaching mainstream appeal - as well as some of the first and most renowned novels in Chinese history. These ideas just never took root in society or government.
RIP Song and Ming
@@sinoroman RIP Song
Feminism and progressivism, huh? Good thing those didn't take root in their society.
@@GeraltofRivia22 Gamerbro moment
@@brownbricks6017 the results speak for themselves. Look at what's happening to Western culture today.
to summarize: being extremist in literally any life metric
Exeptions for communists
@@lakeblackBLM imagine being communist
@@lakeblackBLM The irony here is that communists have been the majority of the ultra-reformists that have destroyed civilizations.
@@bigboineptune9567 Cues L'Internationale
Democratic Non authoritarian communism could work if everyone was a willing participant.
But by that point it's not really even communism and kinda needs its own classification.
I guess far left democratic socialism works.
There was no civilizational collapse in China around the same time of the Bronze Age collapse. The Shang dynasty was overthrown, but there was no decline in elite culture or demographic collapse.
I think there were a number of times when China split apart but yeah it's civilization survived and when the mogols took over China they just melted into the chinese identity for the most part.
the true collapse of China has to be with the boxer rebelion, the end of the chinese emperor system and the civil wars which ended up with the CCP taking over and destroying most of it's culture, starving their own people and creating the one-child policy that is going to cause massive social problems and demografic problems in china.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 Well, that's certainly a lot of suffering, but it's not a civilizational collapse. The closest China has ever come to that was when the Han dynasty fell.
@@brownbricks6017 idk, I think the period of China during and after Mao was the worst, that was truly hopeless and poverty stricken.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 Yeah, I agree that the old Chinese civilization died in the fires of the 19th and 20th century. But the damage caused by the Cultural Revolution is heavily exaggerated by Western academics and Chinese reactionaries. Yes, it did heavily damage the pre-revolution culture of the urban elite, but it was never entirely eliminated; Mao did not live long enough to carry out his plan to the fullest, and opposition from within the Party was too strong (thank the heavens for that!). The ROC and Hong Kong also acted as a reservoir of pre-Revolution traditional culture.
But most importantly, the regional low culture of the rural commoners, who made up the overwhelming majority of China, was untouched. The descendants of these peasants are fueling China's current cultural renaissance, whether it be the revival of traditional Han aesthetics (Hanfu movement, Chinese nationalism) or pushing the China's avantegarde and contemporary art scene (underground music, contemporary literature, film, etc). Chinese millennials and Gen Z are more open to progressive ideas such as LGBT recognition, yet are also more patriotic and possess more civilizational/cultural confidence than their parents.
That's not to say that the future is exactly rosy. The interpersonal competition that a market economy necessitates, and the near death of old faiths has created immense frustration among the youth, and is driving them to seek alternatives. Some go look for foreign ideas, others try to return to the earth, but many are drinking the CPC's wine of "national rejuvenation", or even more extreme forms of nationalism. (Western liberals decry China's encouragement of interethnic relationships as "cultural genocide", yet they promote the same things in their own countries. Funny how that works.)
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 Heheheh, learn more China history.
As he said, Han collpase was far worse than fro mthe boxers to maoism.
Too the mogol invasions.
China has endured many hard situations.
Alternatively titled: "How NOT to kill a civilization: Mistakes to avoid". Great analysis!
I'd be glad if we made those mistakes and it collapsed
@@counterfeit1148 why?
@@mrtrollnator123 I believe it's not how we're meant to live
@@counterfeit1148 k then keep your opinion
@@mrtrollnator123 cool
11:32
There still is Imperial Worship in Japan, and the majority of Shinto practionciers (60% of japan's population) still believes the Imperial Family descended from the Kami (gods) it's just it isnt State Shintoism (like Japan had from 1869~1947) where it was encouraged if not enforced by the state,
One last objection regarding the Maya, Maya civilization was still kicking in Yucatan when the Europeans arrived, it was of course declining, with the major city centers slowly but steadily being abandoned, and a bunch of warring city-states subsisting in Yucatan, but the plagues basically finished them off, and they were eventually conquered.
The opinion of Tsarist Russia improving is optimistic: the largest class was still the peasantry, illiteracy was high, the orthodox church was overwhelmingly subverted by the state and thus not trusted, industrialization was slow, alcoholism was rampant (and state sanctioned), and the 1905 revolution had terrified the ruling elite into clamping down on reformism. The Russian Federation is the result of losing Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltics, Central Asia, the First World War, the Civil War, the purges, the starvations, the gulags, the Second World War, and the inevitable economic stagnation of the Soviet Union.
Whatifalthist, has always led his anti-communism take over to the point of praising tsarist russia for an economical growth that hardly existed. I myself am no communist, not even really left wing, but tsarist russia was basically medieval and very much not ready to become an industrial nation at that time. A people's tragedy by Orlando Figes goes into this in more detail.
I'm not very keen on this channel anyways in the way it describes civilisational collapse in general, way too broad, almost fundamentalist Christian in the way it describes decadence, agnosticism and Appolonian thinking as something that rots out a society (citing 0 evidence). Calling every dictatorial but egalitarian society ever "communist" (the Inca's for example, what the hell?).
I felt the same about Tsarist Russia, it's been a while since I really look into the history around this stuff, but I still remember how Russia failure in WWI caused the raise of the Soviet Union. So him saying the whole Russain empire fell because of communisim just sounds back words. Communisim was a reaction to the failing Russian empire not what was cause it fall. Makes me question his credentials on history in a whole
@@writingwyvern6065 not too mention that the empire fell in the FEBRUARY revolution, the Communists only took control in the OCTOBER revolution. The communist takeover was a reaction to the tsarist state having already failed
These youtube tutorials are getting out of hand.
This video needs an immediately sequel: How to reverse the collapse of empires.
Find something to do.
Push foward.
Dont think about it.
Dont get killed in the process.
@@gastonlinares5593 colonize Venus.
@@StumpfForFreedom I see u are a man of culture as well #LetsGetToVenus2030
It's probably not possible. The U.S. cannot be saved from collapse. Wealth brings on decadence. There is no way around it. And the U.S. is very decadent right now. And despite what he says, we are more decadent than Europe. They largely work hard over there (it's why socialism can work over there, but not here), where Americans have become fat and lazy. Simply put, we have too much money. Where even the average poor person can afford fast food on a regular basis and then become fat and diabetic. Where as around the year 1900 people could not afford things like that, they couldn't even afford new clothes very often, and why sewing was a useful skill.
@@jimmym3352 Jimmy, pessimism aside, you are making factual statements that just are not true. Generally speaking, people in Western Europe work less than us. Significantly, measurably less.
scholar.harvard.edu/files/alesina/files/work_and_leisure_in_the_u.s._and_europe.pdf
Things get a lot harder to judge when it comes to income levels. On the one hand, the American middle class does seem to earn somewhat more, but government services provide less. Depending on the country, this may or may not make up the difference.
I would argue that America's problems are not the result of decadence but rather the result of misinformation and cultish tribalism- especially amongst the American right-wing. That is not an inevitable decline.
“If you want to destroy any nation without war, make adultery or nudity common in the young generation.” - Sultan Saladin/Salahudin RA
The Spartans were know to be fully nude almost all the time. Nudity promoted fit and trim bodies.
"If you want to destroy any nation without war, make adultery or nudity common in the young generation."
- King Henry VIII of England
@@Easy-Eight Exactly and where are they
@@Easy-Eight Yes and what happened to the Spartans again?
Exellent point to the statement about dangers of super-conservatism. ;)
It's worth noting that the actual Epicureans didn't just advocate for a life of sensual gratification.
I read some stuff about them and they just seem like dudes that wanted to chill and detach form the world. Too bad the world they lived in wasn't one that could be detached from. Honestly stoicism was the chad alternative at the time and the realistic one too.
Now I can conquer the world your work will be remembered by my people
Can i haz general plz
@@sirxarounthefrenchy7773 yes we will conquer the world together
@@sirxarounthefrenchy7773 then you will betray me and rule the world
Will you be nice to Russia and raise our birth rates
I’ll escape to the moon and create an empire up there.
I really appreciate that you understand the difference between liberalism and conservatism. I consider myself a Conservative Libertarian and I completely agree about all of the civilizations that fell apart because of Conservatism.
Libertarianism is gay
Me and my whole family watch you while we have dinner
Wish I had someone to watch these videos with :’(
Tsarist Russia had massive promise IN SPITE of being Tsarist, not because of it (most of the time). A key distinction worth making.
Good point there.
Life in Europe is just too comfortable and good compared to the rest of the world, which brings a lack of action to really do anything or risk it. Compare that to the U.S. where people who don't earn much money are literally incapable of paying the slightest visit at a hospital, and you'll see that the problem with Europe is that we just have it too good.
So basically, a healthy civilization can fend for itself, has a balanced and flexible stratification, keeps in touch with its heritage while making necessary changes, and ensures that growth is stable and hands aren't idle.
17:09 the way you deliver jokes as if they were a part of your actual content is awesome
8:06 "Crappy soil" is a rare instance where that adjective might actually be seen as positive.
“The Aztec and Inca Empires were based” agreed 2:52
@Lego Yoda it’s a joke bro
based on canibalism
I still have no clue what "Based" means.
Can someone please explain?
@@Deridus its the oposite of cringe
@@Deridus yeah so basically it means
He needs to reread his text cards, but then again I get the feeling that he is the kind of person who would put things like "7 women per children" just to see if we actually read them.
That was the actual reality of the time for most of the world in the preindustrial era. Even today the least developed countries in Africa tend to have fertility rates between 5-7 children per woman.
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 He has it backwards though.
@@joshuamueller3206 ah fair enough I didn’t read it properly or your comment I guess I’m just as bad
I can’t believe a channel as good as this was built off of
*”what if”*
This might be one of my new favorite channels. Found it a few weeks ago. It's like it was made for me.
2:30 in Mexico we call them “Pre-hispánicas” pre-hispanic civilizations.
In America we call them landscapers.
@@dongately2817 this is such a dumb comment, your landscapers arent aztec or mayan.
@@dongately2817 aztec people people people dont exist anymore
@@dongately2817 America is a dump of a country and you know it Don, you piece of sourdough bread
@@foobarbazquux I’m more of a semolina/pita than sourdough, not arguing about America being a dump.
8:42 You make a convincing argument for the right to bear arms, I must say.
Yeah, seriously. It’s almost like this was understood by the writers of the constitution and add this right as a safeguard.
@@macmurfy2jka They did. A very well educated group of guys made the constitution. Grant it, they didn't have the archaeological knowledge we do on the Bronze Age and such, but enough survived in the historical record and there were plenty of other examples for them to understand the idea meaningfully.
Don’t think so. You think the government, which has access to military grade weapons, advanced tactics, training, espionage, massive r&d, gps tracking, massive arsenal and much more will be afraid of modern day peasants? The government could simply cut off your internet, remove every bit of communication you have, use extreme force with far better trained units, air tactics, and so on against an angry population. We have come to a point that military tech is very advanced. You won’t stand a chance against a few invisible drones. No matter how much 2nd amendment supporters think can.
@@whiteipod2000 so you are saying that our right to bear arms is already too infringed?
And btw study asymmetric warfare, there’s a reason we have been unable to eradicate terrorist insurgencies in the Middle East, Africa and Asia along with the drug cartels of south and Central America.
You can’t win an ideological war with bullets, but it can be sustained by them. All an insurgency needs is guns enough on be a nuisance, land, time, and a cause. All of which, can or will be found in the USA in pretty large supply.
We are already seeing serious civil disobedience around the subject forming. And that goes all the way up to the State Government level. Pull the type of shit you described in your post, and that will balkanize the every sympathetic person in the US. The military would be playing into the people’s hands as that is exactly what 2A proponents predict would happen.
So, in summation, yes I do. They are very afraid. Oppression of a resistant, motivated, and armed population is the single hardest thing to do for our militarily. The US military has yet to really successfully do this anywhere. Why would that change with the home front? Also, don’t forget, these would be Americans shooting Americans, motivating military personnel to bomb one another is much more difficult than calling in a drone strike on some poor Arab Muslims in a far away land.
I suggest you pick up Max Boot’s Invisible Armies or Savage Wars of Peace or John Nagl’s Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife for some reading on the subject. Max Boot’s books are good reads, very digestible.
@@whiteipod2000 Yes, yes, I used to be paranoid and terrified of "The They" too. You know that every government that starts murdering their own citizenry shoots themselves in the foot (economically, morale-wise, etc.), right? You know that every army is made up of people who have roughly the same emotional and empathetic potential as you, right (and don't believe the "American has an SS-like death cult" bullshit either. Evidence is lacking)? America, at the moment, is not built on contempt enough for "the government" to order "the military" to murder citizens without the human beings in the military not only questioning the order but rebelling openly. There ain't a military caste in this country. Some Army brats, sure, but the vast majority of the military was recruited *from the citizenry.* Asking them to kill everybody just because Insurrection isn't gonna happen.
Furthermore, as Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq have shown (you're not gonna now tell me those conflicts are a figment of my imagination crafted by the techo-mage in charge of fooling my mind, are you?), the US Military really isn't built for a sustained guerilla war. The conventional military is built for WWII-style conflicts: large engagements against armies of roughly the same strength and military potential. The same reason why Yamamoto was terrified of invading the US applies here "a rifle behind every blade of grass." Sure, the military has additional toys to play with, but fighting a well-armed citizenry will take a lot of time and resources... a lot like the wars I mentioned above, which did wonders for the morale and public opinion of the US (sarcasm)... except here the public is being slowly executed, so call me coy, but I think the war you think will happen will go even worse.
Then there's the nukes. Yeah... the ones in the silos are hard programed for targets in China and Russia (and they operate on technology 40+ years old). That leaves a nuke bomber. Assuming the crew is somehow apathetic enough to nuke a major US city (no, there are not nuke-capable drones. And even if there were, you still need somebody to remote-control it to its target and that person would need GPS and otherwise to know their position so you couldn't fool them into thinking they aren't nuking a US city), the backlash will start an insurrection (why would a Bond-Villain-US-President not tell the rest of the country he did it if the whole idea is to pacify the rest of the country?). Not a Civil War, because most of the military is not psychotic and would want to protect the citizens. Without people to man the powerful hardware, the Dr. Evil caste that somehow wants to murder its own people would be put down relatively quickly.
Lastly, we come to the matter of resources. Most people--people that would come under attack by the military--have jobs. Jobs that involve making things (sure, plenty of us are in the service industry which makes us kinda-sorta-sorta-kinda useless by most survivalist metrics). You start killing everybody, they start running or hiding or fighting back... but the point is, they've stopped making the things. Things like food. Sure, the military and government has stockpiles but any sustained conflict is going to drain them and leave the country in shambles. Remember when I said the United States would shoot itself in the foot? This is what I mean. It'll just leave the door open for a foreign invasion.
In Summary/TL;DR:
1. The US is not *culturally* a caste system [whatever grievances you or others may have about wage-slaves being peasants notwithstanding]. Give it a few more centuries.
2. As the majority of the military is ex-peasant, they are not readily willing to murder insolent vermin peasants for the King-President.
3. A country that kills its own people [even on a limited level, like, say, the Soviets] shoots itself in the foot, production and morale-wise.
Also TL;DR: You gotta get out more, man. You'll find, as I did, that community and society is far more complex than you think. There are countless consequences, factors, and reactions to take into account when anything outrageous upsets communal balance.
Anyway, I await your vitriol.
19:46 that is a effect of industrilization. USA suffer the same, china, and basically every industrialize/urbanized country in the world. Only Africa countries and few others have a large birth rate.
The Industrial Society and its future...
@@djdjukic yeah I don't care I have the dream to be the last all my kind to then finally make suicide and destroyed by myself my spices. However that dreams is only a lie when you notice that spices exist only because humanity categories them.
Ok but really, never did it happen in such gargantuan rates outside of communist/ex-comm countries
@@riograndedosulball248 that is a mistake also, Italy have 1.29 fertility rate and in north territories of USA happen something similar.
@@riograndedosulball248 instead the Russian have a fertility rate of 1.57
Damn, bro, first monsters, and now you're trying to kill civilization! Damn bro...
17:08 I too agree that Euro-dance pop is on par with crimes against humanity
Who doesn't?
Popular thing bad, hmmm yes
This slander 💀💀💀
That ad was over two minutes long and I still have zero clue what Omaze is or what they do. Something with houses? Something with veterans? Terrific ad 😂
Omaze is a non-profit. The prizes are donated by companies, and Omaze does a raffle for the items, and gives the proceeds to charity.
This sort of content is a lot more enjoyable than alternative history . Keep it up please , it’s great !
Does anyone else have a feeling that Whatifalthist's sponsors are getting more and more uncanny?
Finally! A tutorial that I can follow for the next years…
How to *not* kill a civilization?
Don't start one
*Return to monkey*
*Evolve to crab*
Do you mean RETURN TO MONKE?
no return to Eastern Rome!
@@TheHunterOfYharnam no , return to the Real Roman Imperium....Roma Invicta !
@@surenot4362 eastern greek Rome was the best Rome
@@TheHunterOfYharnam nah....Imperial Rome starting with the reign of Augustus was the golden age...the 5 good emperors...during the Pax Romana
Here’s a video idea: what if the Minoans didn’t fall and survived to the present day?
@good luck 😃 I kinda like this take on the Rick Roll
too many butterflies
Society would have a lot more drip
not realy probable considering their position
Imagine the fashion oh God
I’d really love to see an alternate history on “what if the northwest passage existed.”
I think it would be really cool to examine the shift in culture to places in the west like Montana or Idaho and see if there would be any trading towns that would open up. Maybe the existence of a northwest passage means Britain does things differently in North America depending on what it is discovered. I just think it would be a cool video
It depends on what form the northwest passage takes, is it a weird river system and mountain lake similar to the Panama canal (a man made structure), is it an inland sea like the Mediterranean except connected to both sides of the continent, or does Canada and Alaska simply not exist so its just a big open ocean with a few islands for the northern boundary. (Depending on the scale of the changes the climate of north America would also get affected but that can be ignored for simplicity)
Once you settle the geologic change it becomes time to declare which colonial power gets the most control over it and when. I assume eventually the Panama canal would still get built bit not before large cities rise along the north west passage the same way the rose on the Great Lakes + St. Lawrence, Erie Canal, and Mississippi.
13:02 "How dare you denegrate the glorious revolution! I am going to go on to r/badhistory and epicly OWN you with two sources, one of which being wikipedia"
I don't know if this is a joke
Reddit used to be right wing. It's a shame what it has become since the Sea People of the Internet, the Tumblr users, settled there.
@@bigboineptune9567 Reddit has never been right wing. Its been mostly slightly left with pockets of right and left. Tumblr didn't move there. They went other places, they wouldn't survive on redidt or 4chan. Reddit used to be more like 4chan, both weren't right or left. It was just anarchy like the old internet.
He's uploading faster than a blitzkrieg of France
Yeah! Let your infantry and supply convoys catch up!
It's underrated how much of a genius video this is and no one is aware or cares
I literally just ended watching your new video about the monsters of human's mythology. I wasn't expecting to see another of your videos!
Great job man :D
4:58 "Guns Germs and Steel" a pretty good book still worth reading, IMO.
Yes, just ignore author's attempts to apply this concept to anything other then pre-columbian Americas.
i have heard it was very disliked nowadays, but it still was a pretty good shot at answering questions.
@@cseijifja It is. And it is disliked mostly for Diamond leaning too much on environmental determinism and for his attempts to apply the same schemes to other European colonial endeavours such as Africa (that totally doesn't fit to it).
I'm actually reading this book at the moment. On the part that explains how certain animals were domesticated and others not.
Though this is the issue, should we try harder to domesticate the acorn? In doing so we'd be more motivated to plant more oaks
11:38 you can tell he doesn’t know much about Southeast Asia
He doesn't know much about anything except western civilizations.
@@masterhind2036 he only knows about america and europe, but what he knows about europe is always from an english point of view, which equals to pretty much knowing almost nothing about europe
Not just SEA, his knowledge about current China, India, Africa is almost nonexistent. I feel like what he knows about these places are stucked at 20 or even 30 years ago, and he also doesn’t know a whole lot about Europe outside of UK.
16:57 no that's not epicurianism, that's hedonism. Epicurianism is the philosophy of being happy with the least possible
Epicureanism is holding the pursuit of pleasure as the highest value, which Stoicism is about ignoring
I disagree on wiping out elite, in Peru. For centuries Spaniards intermarried with aristocratic peruvian women, by lack of european women, and because it gave to newcomers a social status they did not have in Spain. This women in turn educated their daughter to seek "good marriage", renforcing a network of women influence. And the quechua peasant kept their language and part of their rites, despite the ferocious intolerance of Spanish church.
Dude, the Mayan conquest took like 200 years. They did not "have no desire to rebuild" they literally fought tooth and nail not to lose it in the first place.
Even after their classic period collapse, which you might be referring to, they still continued existing for 700+ years. There were still plenty of kingdoms and City states around when the Spanish arrived.
I find it strange that so many people believe the Mayans just disappeared off the face of the earth mysteriously.
"Modern Europe has collapsed into decadence since the second world war." Absolutely.
They've done pretty good.
Ahahahah
A bone-headed take to end an otherwise good video. The lives of Europeans have improved radically since the second world war. Their people (referring to Western Europe specifically) are happier, healthier, and better-educated than the people in the United States. Germany and the UK are economic powerhouses, and France, the UK, and Germany all have powerful militaries. Yes, countries like Hungary and Poland are an absolute mess, but the heavy hitters - those other three I mentioned - are doing well. I'd really like to see some concrete evidence behind his vague claims about "art" and "philosophy."
@Félix Sánchez Not very true ,the UK handed over the lead of power to the US by giving everything to defeat Germany in ww2, they could made a deal and conserve their empire ,but they did no see the big picture that by pleading to the US and USSR for help they will lose their position in the world ,if i had been the PM of Brittan i would had make a deal .
@@CatastrophicDisease They are slaves to the US alliance my friend and no more than lap dog ,its sad to see proud countries that ruled the world to be so spineless .
I remember watching a documentary on the pyramids of Giza and they went through the food that the peasant who built the pyramids ate a lot of beer, bread and meat at least with egypt you got paid by eating very well
"What have the Assyrians ever done for us?"
Corruption destroys every civilization.
7:15 bruh the indus valley civ collapsed like 700 years before the bronze age collapse
The declining European birth rate is a worrying trend indeed.
Yeah, well at least East asia is having as low birth rate, and aging even more rapidly, even if they are slightly behind on the curve.
Why does it worry you?
@@bobble13345 maybe hes european
Europe will become sh1t lol
Sorry I am from Europe (more precously Germany) and I need to say the biggest Issue we face in Europe, or to be more precous the whole Globe, is the big wealth inequalitiy which is coming onto us.
The declining Birthrate is not good but it can be handeld
Anyone interested in this (mostly excellent) video should also read Ronald Wright's "A Short History of Progress" (or listen to the lecture series). It's a really short book about the death of five different civilizations due to a combination of environmental problems and stupidity (or at least cultural blindness leading them to not adjust course appropriately). I was really surprised to not see "ignore climate/environmental issues" as one of the key items on Whatifalthist's list.
On killing off the elite:
Actually that is not necessary. You only have to make the old elites irrelevant and replace them with a new elite.
I don't understand how you can say the ottomans didn't value technology when they were among the first ones to use cannons and gunpowder warfare
The Ottomans contracted out the building of the cannons, long story. They came from a European arms maker. After the fall of Constantinople there was no exploitation of guns and artillery.
@@Easy-Eight they took down the mamelukes in Egypt largely thanks to gunpowder and superior technology
Here when the original title was "How to Kill a Civilization…."
That's the title I saw.
The real problem in Europe is that no one believes our societies and civilization is nearing an almost inevitable collapse.
The goal of vast majority of population is to just cruise through life as easy as possible and have as much fun as possible.
We have become old, tired, childless, scared and spirituality shallow people.
It hurts me to say this, but it's true.
11:57 Technically this is incorrect. The Persians _adopted_ Mesopotamian culture, this included using Cuneiform and then Aramaic as the written language for most Iranian languages. The Persians also adopted the Mesopotamian religion as well as having a religion adapted from the ancient Assyrian god Ashur as "Ahura Mazda" and created Zoroastrianism.
Zoroastrianisms difference was that it was a monotheist religion where the worship of Ashur by the ancient Assyrians was supplemented by worship of other gods, making the ancient Assyrians range between polytheistic and henotheistic.
Another piece of evidence that Persians adopted Mesopotamian culture is the celebration of Nowruz which is pretty much the Akitu festival and Assyrio-Babylonian symbolism like the rising sun, lion (via Leo constellation from Babylonian astronomers), the Ahura Mazda symbol itself was adapted from the Ashur symbol.
It wasn't that the Persians were nice either, they also used ideas from the ancient Assyrians like deporting people (which Persians did to rebellious Greeks in Anatolia) or brutally executing rebel leaders (this was pretty much a standard rule though, not exclusively Assyrian).
The Persians adapted an earlier system set in place by the ancient Assyrian kings where, if the Persians (and Medes) paid their taxes, they would left alone to their own devices. The Persians knew that in order to rule a huge, multi-ethnic empire, they needed an easy to learn administrative language that was already commonly used, a functional bureaucracy within the governmental administration, and a competent king; all 3 things were already done by the Assyrian kings where the Persians decided to be less intrusive than the ancient Assyrian kings were.
Don’t get your history from your drug dealer, bad things happen
idk about most of this but Zoroastrianism is a religion of Indo European origin with some influence form non Iranian outsiders such as the elamites. Ahura Mazda is not ashur. Ahura Mazda is the Iranian version of the god Uranus also the creation myth of Zoroastrianism is very very different from that of those of the Mesopotamian religions.
his points are too generalized, each of the civilizations need to be evaluated individually and with time intervals.
Yeah, even trends have more exceptions than rules and while his content is entertaining, he sprinkles in completely unfounded statements and opinions- one that I can speak to was Tsarist Russia.
It did have potential, but would not have lasted long due to Nicholas' inability to rule. The policy of aggressive Russification was breeding mutiny among minority groups, and Russia had failed to embrace liberal values and update their military.
There were simply too many problems, and 'not communist' = 'better' is a huge simplification.
He does this in pretty much every video, and it starts to annoy me
@@LancesArmorStriking why we neet liberal vallues?
We neet stable strong institutions,peace, strong religion (but free science)...education based on natural science and traditionalism...no Individualism ..a gouverment should plan the next 100 years...
maby that didnt sound like a good party fun live but a stable option.
Russia only collapsed when it was too progressive (gorbatschev) or had week leaders (nicolaus or jelzin)
@@milanvitu3963
That's all true but I meant 'liberal' from Tsarist times. He didn't allow the Duma to do anything and the serfs and peasants rose up against him.
If Nikolas followed Western values of freedom and let the serfs free they would keep working for him happily, just with better conditions and pay.
Then Russia economy would grow in 1910s and they could have been stable instead of revolution.
@@LancesArmorStriking the leaders in St. Petersburg where out of touch with the rest of the country.
Without world war 1 there would be maby a peasant Revolution lead by preasts (like the islamic Revolution in iran againt the sha)...the capital would be moved to moskwa, the regions would be self gouverned with peoples councils under a all russian supreme leader...but total democracy would not be practical in such a big multiethnic country ...western groups would infiltrate russia like they did in serbia or under jelzin
It's a reoccuring theme of the videos. He tends to analyze complex topics, while using generalizations when it comes to details. Like when he said that the ancient Egypt was communistic (alternate history video about industrialized Greeks) or when he compared Spanish Empire to the rest of Europe and said that the latter one wasn't religios or zelous (video about Latin America and why it sucks).
Two videos in one day!
Today was a good day! 😁
I was doing chores this morning and I chose to listen to something enlightening instead of just music. I soon found myself drawn away from the sink and cutting board and was sitting and listening to you expound on your premise (which I think of with the more descriptive title of "Why Civilizations Die." On my first exposure to your video, I believe you have many correct observations. I do not see any faults with your postulations, and I look forward to listening to it again, take a few notes, and think about it. I suspect I may find myself agreeing with you whole-heartedly and sending a link to this video to people I know. From a technical standpoint: your video was excellent. Your voice is well suited to video, you do not mispronounce words, you do not have an annoying accent (I once worked with a fellow who had an 'actual' Brooklyn accent like is only heard in really old B&W movies), and your pace of speaking is perfectly suited for me. In conclusion, I think this is a great video and I would like to express my gratitude to you for sharing it. I will listen (maybe watch this time)to it again in the near future. TY.
13:25 "Russia before WWI had a birthrate of 7 women per children"
I don't even want to know how that works.
Many places in Africa have similar birthrates today.
@sadman sad I read it again. What are you implying that I missed? He's expressing disbelief and revulsion; I'm speaking to that disbelief by saying that such phenomena still take place today
I don't think many of those children lived to adulthood. Russia had violent revolution and a civil war for a reason.
@@marza339 I still think you should read it again (in particular the 3 words after "7").
@@benl2140 pfff hahah you got me there. I see what you mean and that is weird
Man, that last stuff about decadence. I really feel that America is in that faze right now
That’s a ridiculous assertion spawning from a romanticized telling of the past. How was society in the 18-19th centuries any more stable, cohesive, or moral than today’s? Just in America, there was a revolutionary war, the breaking of treaties with native Americans, human slavery, sending U.S. troops to invade Mexican territory in an excuse to go to war with them and take land, multiple local rebellions against the governments state and federal, a civil war over slavery, after which was almost in vain due to the allowance of Jim Crow laws to fester till they were acted upon during this “decadence” era. Workers had almost no rights prior to the 20th century, and were infamously treated poorly in cities. Women, especially when young adults, had little rights to determine a path for themselves. Need I go on? Society has never been as peaceful, lively (as far as life expectancy) , and wealthy as it is today. Will this last forever? Probably not. But to think that times in the past were somehow more prosperous for all of humanity, is an insult to all those former societies laid the groundwork for what we have accomplished accomplished now.
@@Phaenes Maybe not prosperous for mankind, but yes for american culture.
USa is destroying itslef, when it dies, China will colonize it.
Iw wont be USa anymore, will be a China colony.
@@Phaenes I dont understand you’re point, you literally described why we are decadent compared to how it used to be for the USA. Like you said, American society has never been so peaceful and wealthy. Like you proved my point while trying to prove me wrong 😂 i think?? Idk man i think ur confused
@J K Sorry? The definition of decadence is “ characterized by or reflecting a state of moral or cultural decline.” You agreed with his narrative of societies going through barbarism, civilization, then decadence; is applicable to America today if you look at its history. My retort was that in no way is American any less civilized currently than it ever has been before the past two centuries, as whatifaltist implied in this video, which you agreed with. What are you missing? There’s no way we are in a decadence period if you look at how backwards our [American] was society in the past.
@@BlondBeast Ahhh the classic reactionary mindset. “It’s okay for me to be evil because there is no other option” If the current society and institutions don’t work why not say change them? Instead of just tearing it all down and building more of the same? We can’t move any of the ethnic American minorities without genocide and genocide is not an option. Not because of morality but because it literally would not work. So why don’t we forge a new society built on new ideals? Of economic equality? Of class equality?