Ancient Civilizations that Just... Vanished
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- Explore the mysteries behind the fall of ancient civilizations like the Minoans, Ancestral Puebloans, Khmer Empire, and the Amazonian societies. Uncover their secrets and intriguing collapse theories!
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The Prisoners of Simon's Basement civilization better be on this. This was before he crushed their primitive society with an iron fist, reducing them to loose coalitions.
The free basement dwellers as they were called supposedly were advanced & lived in peace before the mighty simon arrived. All lies for we know our Lord and saviour fact boi would never deceive us like that, those poor primitives believe it though as if they were smart enough to remember & lived through it imagine for we all know there is no recorded times before Simon
@@Ghostvertigo Fact Boi might be immortal, living through several millennia of time and space, and knows better to deceive or not deceive.
The Dananites...
It's like "Indian in the Cupboard", but "Chain-smoking Typewriter Monkeys in Simon's Basement"
WTF Are you babbling on about 😂 😂
Anyone interested in this topic, I very much recommend the channel Fall of Civilizations. They have in depth documentaries about the fall of a several civilizations like the Mayans or the people of Rapa Nui (my personal favorite).
Paul Cooper: Regularly does three-hour podcast videos each about the collapse of a single civilization...
Simon Whistler: Drops an eleven-minute video about the collapse of several different civilizations...
Also Simon Whistler: Just dropped a three-hour video about ONE GUY ("Kaspar Hauser: The Prince Without a Past")
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Thanks
The best source for meticulously researched past civilizations. Thanks for dropping that knowledge on people
Collapse by Jared Diamond is also an excellent book on the subject…
Hell yeah. Excellent channel
0:35 - Chapter 1 - Minoans
3:30 - Chapter 2 - Ancestral puebloans
5:50 - Chapter 3 - Khmer empire
7:50 - Chapter 4 - The amazon
From what I know of the Anasazi, the cliff and hilltop structures were all built over a pretty narrow time frame, remained for a number of decades, and then were all abandoned around the same general period. That, to me, given how difficult some of these are to access and how difficult it would have been to get provisions up to them, suggests that they were constructed out of necessity. There are a certain number of them that even appeared to have been created as watch posts. So raiding nomadic invaders, or a prolonged period of warfare (not a single conflict, but conflict after conflict) is quite possible. A number of these dwelling show signs that they were burned and, in some cases, there are different layers. Recall also that during the later era, there was the eruption of the "Sunset Crater" volcano, so who knows what role the geological history of the area came into play as well. With no written record, there's just no way to know what really happened and all we can do is speculate.
Shortly after the last chapter about the Amazon had started, the video was interrupted by an ad... for Amazon Prime. 🙄
Those things happens
Love this short videos you do on ancient civilisations. Keep up the great work!
P.S. if anyone wants to hear some more indepth videos on the collapse of anicent and medieval civilisations i recommend try 'Fall of Civilisations' such a great channel that discusses these collapses in very deep detail.
Great podcast indeed!!
When the Spanish came to Mexico several times in the 1400-1500s, the Mayans already had a history with the Spanish soldiers and when it was clear it was going to happen again they all disappeared into the jungle. We went to the Yucatan last year for wedding, and visited with the Mayans, Chitzenita(?), and swam in the Cenotes. It was a brutal but very amazing trip to be sure. :)
That’s one of the trips I wanna make someday. It’s on my buckets list
The last free Mayan city didn't actually fall until 1697!!! Yeah, their king got the stupid idea that he could befriend the Spanish and invited a few over to his hidden city. Huge mistake.
Those are the same Mayans you are talking about that fled, actually conquering them took a very long time.
It certainly wasn't a city as massive as El Mirador but a smaller, still pretty populated city on an island in a lake. It was called "Nojpetén".
The Maya did not disappear into the jungle. In the 16th century, they fought the Spanish, longer and more successfully than any other native people. Did. The so-called Maya collapse happened about 800 years before this and affected mostly only the cities in the southern Maya area. Not so much the countryside in the South, and neither of the cities nor the countryside up North.
@@williamwolf2844 Well, they did disappear into the jungle many times since the Spanish was unwilling to go after them there so I don't think he is totally wrong. They were fighting a guerrilla war after all.
But you are certainly right that they were the most successful in fighting back, that didn't end until 1697 (see my earlier post in the thread). And yeah, we seen a few cases of Maya people revolting in modern times too.
The Mayas did have a habit to leave their cities and found new ones, the Mayan collapse was more or less the time we know of that most of the cities did this.
But we see it earlier too. El Mirador and many cities were also abandoned earlier and we still don't exactly know why.
In the collapse, it seems to have been more religious and/or social reasons then anything else. With El Mirador, it might just be that they used up the natural resources since it was such a massive city but that is just speculation and we know that wasn't the case during the later collapse.
We are finding out more and more about them though, 30 years ago we thought the pre classic Maya were rather primitive but El Mirador was one of the largest cities in the world 2500 years ago and it wasn't the only one either, just the one we have excavated most so far from the period (and we have barely scratched the surface).
It is a very fascinating culture. :)
They disappeared before the Spanish
I cant imagine what it would've been like to live through the collapse of Amazonian civilizations. Disease seems the likeliest culprit, but can you imagine how long it may have taken to decimate the population and what society would've looked like? Wild
I would have more than decimated the population, as decimated technically would refer to one in ten.
@@DenethordeSade.90 That is technically true. Sometimes a Roman emperor or general ordered the death of every tenth soldier as a punishment to send a message. It seems that the Amazonians were nearly centimated.
@@DenethordeSade.90 What's it like being such a complete Bunt Citch all the time?
A lot of people thought that’s what we were gonna face with Covid so I still have nightmares about
@@DenethordeSade.90 Haha sorry English isnt my first language. I've just heard decimate used a lot for apocalyptic scenarios, maybe "annihilate" is a better term?
Ive heard a theory (theory is loose word really, more ive heard some people talking) that the reason there is such a density of fruit bearing and flowering trees in the amazon compared to other tropical jungles in the world, might be because there was civilization several thousand years ago that like to keep gardens, and when they dissappeared or died out, their gardens just grew outta control.
Not disappeared or died out, they were murdered, killed, and allowed to die after both biological and then physical warfare. Please be accurate with the indigenous areas of the Amazon because they were part of the intentional genocide and biological warfare via spead of disease.
The hypothesis of fruit trees being intentional spread has been gaining more and more evidence. It's fantastic reading, highly recommend looking into the recent findings of the agricultural and arboreal advancements of the Amazon.
Wow! Never seen added 10 sec ago video before.
Gotta plug Fall of Civilizations podcast and CZcams. Incredibly documentaries.
Last time I was this early, the Minoans were trading tin to Egypt for grain and lotus blossoms.
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Super interesting subject!
Anybody that loves the ancient ancestral sites needs to go to Chaco Canyon, New Mexico. The place is absolutely amazing! In my opinion as an archaeologist.
Brugh this all just made up fantasy. 82nd is a chump division fyi brugh. Most chumped up division in the army son
I lived in the Four Corners area and got to visit a few of the sites. Unfortunately, I never made it to Chaco or Canyon de Chelly.
I visited Mesa Verde as a kid.
Spooky place!
@@jennyanydots2389 sounds like someone didn't make it thru. Probably dishonorable discharge
@@jennyanydots2389what is brugh and what does that have anything to do with Chaco Canyon?
According to the History Channel, late at night, it was Aliens... Its always been Aliens
According the Bro Jogan this has been confirmed to be objective fact
Middle of the day too.
Not saying it's aliens ... but, yah, it's aliens.
Ancient Alien Experts say ‘Yes!’
Awesome! I love Biographics
Thank you; this was fascinating.
One of the best channels on CZcams.
To the other book recommendations, let me add "Four Lost Cities," by Annalee Newitz. She talks about the Khmer, among others (and in her opinion, the Khmer water management system gradually became more a religious and status symbol, and was not maintained properly as a water management system... so that any serious disturbances, whether drought or monsoon, would cause it to fail).
awesome video
Good stuff man
Run the modern scenarios of two spouses working, minimal children, and a society can collapse in very short order. Look at Japan and how many abandoned farms, Italy and abandoned small towns, and even the US ghost towns. Kids all moved to the big cities elsewhere leaving the aged to vanish.
iirc, scientists say that, for a culture to continue, mind you, not expand or anything, JUST to continue to exist, you need each couple (1 man and 1 woman) to have 2.3 babies on average. With 2.3 babies on average your culture will continue to exist, but it won't grow. This is the minimum possible. Anything below 2.3 babies = the culture / population slowly dying out.
And ofc, if you want growth, you need more than 2.3 babies per family.
@MonsieurDeVeteran 2.3 babies?
Ain't seen no fractional baby in real life 😂
@@halcyonramirez6469 Get some education, especially regarding "average". 🙄
@dadrising6464 get some education in real life lmao.
2.3 babies? Lol.
Yeah on stats and paper but in the real world where do you see that really?
Since you're so eDuCAtED did you miss the part in stats where they said you can't have fractional people?
explain to your sample people your trying to educate by telling them they should have at least 2.3 babies 🤣.
Smart enough to do the job.
not smart enough to question it. smh
not saying humanity got to collapse but but we could do whit less humans on the earth but the poor breed like rabbits and the rich dont
Re the Minoans, the eruption/tsunami could have done enough damage to reduce trade/create difficulties, without leading to full scale destruction. Just sea water inundation could have ruined crops, damaged harbours, killed livestock, without washing away buildings/temples. Even just the consideration that they had displeased the "gods", could have turned society on its head. They were still around hundreds of years later, but may not have been a strong society anymore. Knossos sits 100 meters above sea level, so it would have taken one hell of a wave to reach it. But the large fertile plain beneath it and the port was in direct line with a Santorini eruption tsunami wave.
or, could be, kraken.
Huh, my dad must’ve been a part of one of these civilizations. Thanks Simon!
The Goneforsmokians number is unknown. My dad was of that folk.
lmao
That took my brain a minute to process, but when it did. I nearly choked
@@gregskaggs8521 same as the Pintofmilks, just disappeared in droves, never to be seen again
@@NJTRAF an American tragedy made more ironic by the fact they put missing children on milk cartons but where have our fathers gone?
Mesa Verde creeped me out as a kid. I loved it!
Wow! Far, far more unknown civilizations than were dreamt of. A joy to learn of lost empires of long, long ago. Thank You!
The same thing happened to yo all my supermodel ex girlfriends, its crazy
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Another fine chapter of History Whodunit with Simon.
It's truly staggering that over 90% of amerindians died from old world diseases and the sheer amount we are unable to know because most of their cultures lacked a writing system.
Not all too advanced without writing.. 🤷🏻♂️
The Maya were one of only 5 civilizations to develop a writing system and they had libraries of books. Of course, Spanish missionaries declared them to be pagan and idolatrous and burned thousands of them. The Mayan glyphs were finally translated in the 1970’s.
Koch's 90% mortality has been questioned seriously by other researchers who contend it was based on hugely inflated pre-contact population estimates.
All these "vanished" civilizations brings to my mind the term: the veneer of civilization. Any major change, be it rapid or slow, that affects the food supply system of any organized and populous group of people can and often does bring about the collapse of that group. We, who have lived comfortably fed, have lost the knowledge of how thin the veneer actually is. Once that veneer is striped away so does the sense of community that the people had evaporate. It is a lesson worth remembering.
There's no mystery about the Minoans. They were hit by tsunamis which did a number on them, affected the trade routes to which they were heavily reliant on and they were conquered by the Mycenaeans . They didn't really vanish. They just changed management.
He ain't going anywhere his faithful love endures forever ♾️
I really liked this one
Another epic Simon drop!
I thought there was normally a long lead time on these. But the Tories just disappeared overnight.
Nice, sadly they are still around just no longer in power
@@Ravendarkwytch Kind of like the Pueblans being still around.
Water u talmbout Egland politics fo? This an american show for american's, stick to merican topics or keep a lid on it son. U understan me son?
@@jennyanydots2389civilisation of articulation 😢
@@quinnishrellik9378 Hey brugh that word is spelt with a Z not a stinkin' S brugh. Get it right son! Show some respect for this American language brugh. This ain't tea time son, we use words proper over here unlike them UK peeps just butchering my english language.
I have a severe case of dome envy, Simon. Tired of my hair, never was much of it anyway. *The Amazon Rain Forest Civilization* - we don't even have a name for it - is one of the saddest and most fascinating tales. We know what ended it - small pox, the plague, influenza, gonorrhea, syphilis, the whole suite of Eurasian diseases. *How many languages were lost?* Given the astonishing diversity of Native American languges (35 language families and 17 isolates in California alone), the number is likey to have been quite large.
It's a further tragedy that this civilization was preliterate. A whole slice of human history is just gone _like tears in rain._
Hoped the Minoans would be on this list, was not disappointed
Much like the seas, the jungles don't give up their secrets easily
Can you do a part 2
Never been this Early, feels wrong
If there is a second video some of the cool unexplained disappearance of civilizations...
The Orkneys, Timbuktu, the Olmec, and the Mound Builders of Illinois
It would be nice to see a more thorough videos about each of these. I like how you carefully examine all the evidence and come to realistic conclusions. Not necessarily 100% true, but nor is the science, eh? ;) Cheers! Great video. Ancient civilisations are always an interesting subject.
Civilizations don't just vanish. People don't just disappear. If you take out the 1000 or so years of added history then you see that civilization has blended into one another.
Khmer - You left out there was evidence of the dam breaking on their primary reservoir that had the potential to wreck absolute havoc on their environment in addition to killing people. It weakened them so much they were left vulnerable to enemies who already wanted to kill them. As with most collapses, it wasn't a single event.
Anasazi was the first song we played in 6th grade band lol. It was dismal and dark so yeah makes sense 😮😅
just think mt etna erupted today andd within an hr or so there was 2 inch of ash in cattania what happens with days ooft
Just think about the potential food crops that might be lost to history. Millions fed on soil thought to be too poor for farming. What did they grow and could those crops be 'game changers' like potatoes or corn from other native American cultures?
Minoans just never recovered from the volcano eruption at Thyra and the raids that followed from pirates
Minoans. Santorini. Epic volcano, and tidal wave.
Simon, how long have you had those three green vases?
I will say, and I love all of your stuff Fact Boi! But this channel does tend to be a bit lazier on hard fact research than several others channels of yours. Decoding the Unknown, Brain Blaze and Casz Crim come to mind specifically.
I'd be interested in hearing about the incident and origins of Croatoa.
He’s already done a few videos on it back in the day. On which channel I have absolutely no clue.
Just wanted to say that we've found 3000bc items and civilazaions here in Norway recently. In fact we've found evidence of people living here 7500-6000bc. Just after the scandinavian peninsula ice age. So crete was not that early as a european civilazations as first thought.
Sad truth is that christians burned down a lot of our herritage around 1000-1500.
After the people of the Khmer Empire found out that there was no answer to the question "Ankhor what?" they just gave up and left.
Khmers perished because of The Black Plague I believe. Drougt or severe rainfall seams less devastating. Also nothing stops all 3 reasons could cooperate in the downfall.
Write of Amazonians on small-pox as well.
Have you explored the history of Cahokia in the United States? I feel like you’d enjoy it
No Indus Valley Civilization?
What about El Dorado or Atlantis?
I wonder if Gaspar de Carvajal was the inspiration for Noland the Liar in One Piece.
The whole "explorer that found South American civilizations and were called a liar for it" seems to be way too similar for it not to be the direct inspiration.
These could be mega project if it wasn't for the lack of information
Decoding the Unknown?
Check out this Mound Builders/the Cahokian tribes in the MidWest. Gone with out a trace. There only remains are the the huge mounds.
سبحان الله العظيم 🌺
God the great Creator 🌺
If the library of Alexandria and other great ancient libraries are still standing we would have a better idea.
The dismissal of volcanologists is the bane of modern archaeology,which uses assumptions,or rough measurement tools,that often are also useless when an event like senatorini super volcano eruption or eruptions perhaps happen.
A good volcanologists can date according to ash layers with less than a century margin of error, also knowing where the ash came for, and the level,or destruction that has happened.
Even though he will test ,at this instance as some have, ash found in farmlands over in Egypt. Not Crete.
The Minoens perished due to a collapse of their trade network with the mainlands combined with a population boom and a lack of trees. Much like modern day Newfoundland in Canada without consistency the civilization collapses and the youth move on.
Look up the Sanxingdui civilization that disappeared from China in like the 1100s BC. The theory is that they just sort of got integrated into their neighbors but it's not conclusive. All of their incredible bronze artwork was buried in pits and I do mean incredible. A lot of it looks very Chinese with its own unique flairs but there's also a lot of aspects to their style that feels like stuff you see later in the Americas. Alaska Aleuts had some super similar looking masks and other aspects of the art feels akin to meso-American styles.
I really hope we find out why these civilizations disappeared.
Forget the Anasazi what about the Anunaki
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Civilization's rise and fall. The major difference now is that civilization is interlinked worldwide and in case you haven't noticed, it's circling the bowl. All I can say is HURRY ON SUNDOWN....SEE WHAT TOMORROW BRINGS. (Shout-out HAWKWIND)
My 1st thoughts when I saw the headline: the Etruscans, the Tocharians and the central Asian group who 1st domesticated horses
Earthfiles interview with Edward Abbott
The “K” in “Knossos” is not silent.
The Mutapa from Southern Africa
Could the Sea People just be climate refugee Minoans? They would certainly need to be sea faring given their origin.
Could be - certainly Aegean groups are considered as a possibility. Also Anatolians (from modern day Turkey) are another possibility. I do love that the only reference is 'the sea peoples', which suggests previously unknown parties.
Was that an earthquake, or artificial camera shake?
Doesn't Herodotus say that the Minoans were destroyed by the Greeks because of the practice of taking children as tribute?
I suspect the Anasazi and Khmer empire was destroyed by their own elite abandoning their societal myth.
The strangest disappearance was the Harrapan. Perhaps that could be a topic of a future video?
Wonderful video, yet, it is incomplete without the Indus-Saraswati civilisation. The reason behind extinction of that kind advanced civilization is still a mystery. Till date no one can decode the language.
Not surprised though, as the Western world conveniently ignores the Indus-Saraswati civilisation.
Oh yeah, the evil Western World... I don't think these four chapters cover all vanished civilizations, so why prefer the Indus-Saraswati over others left out of this video? Maybe they keep some for eventual future videos if the topic gets enough views. Sorry your favourite didn't make it into this one.
The paintibyenumbes varnished overnight.
11th century climate chang known as the Great Drought - all without SUV's? Naaah.
We just made a deal
Minoan eruption. This massive volcanic eruption devastated the Aegean island of Thera (Santorini) around 1600 BCE. The eruption destroyed the Minoan settlement at Akrotiri, with communities and agricultural areas on nearby islands and the coast of Crete. Subsequent earthquakes and paleotsunamis further impacted the region. Fifty years after this cataclysmic event, the once-thriving Minoan civilization lay in ruins.. no mystery as to what happened there!
or, you know, kraken.
Just for the record. It's BC and AD. we refuse to let snowflake millenials change everything.
@@Immigrationsituation what's a "christ"?
f#ck that noise
Patagonia?
Sockland
That magical place where one sock, among two, is chosen to go whenever doing laundry. I have yet to find it.
There's a lesson here: every fallen civilization probably thought it was the dog's bollocks right up until the moment they weren't...😅
Nobody sees it coming 😅
Thanks to William Adams, we still have Japanese culture and not an ex portuguese colony.
Every civilizations reaches a peak, then it collapses. So will ours also, it is unavoidable...
No, European civilization has mutated/evolved to meet its challenges, but it has not collapsed.
It's not. Humans just aren't good at civilizing yet. Most of it is just a grift and always has been... eventually we will get it right and stop taking advantage of each other for a living.
@@donaldcarey114 There is only one human civilization and it hasn't collapsed yet despite many peaks and valleys. People who say collapse is inevitable are just doomsday fetishists... likely to help them cope with how mundane most of our lives really are.
@@donaldcarey114 Not yet. But a collaps does not necessarily mean that it will be destroyed.
I have no idea but solving this mystery is very interesting. You say volcano? I’ll raise you a game of thrones (minus the dragons). Crete is not a big place. It could be as simple as that. Human malice.
Usually I have to increase the playback speed to 1.5, however for this I have to decrease 0.5😂
I'm pretty sure the Ancient Astronauts theorists will say it was the aliens fault.
Last year I went to Angora Watt this place is huge every piece of stone. It has carvings on it. We spent the night at Siam reap and went back the next day and only if I’m lucky we get we seen 20% of this place. It is absolutely gorgeous And I’ve done a lot of research and you’re right they really don’t know who built this from what the story that I’ve gathered from the locals. It was a king headmaster whatever you wanna call him supposedly it took 35 years. There’s no way if he would go to the version that has the lydar which I know you know what that is. This place is ginormous they say about the size of London there is water canals. There’s places where people had. Their houses is very interesting. That was on my bucket list.
I don’t think you went THERE… there’s no such place. 😂 proof read before you post.
@@chrisbrunette9495 show me how to send pics
Started hard, FROM Atlantis no less...
i think people go their separate ways and get incorporated into other cultures
I often wonder how the native americans lived here in Arizona for thousands of years without AC or refrigeration.
One of two strategies. Either they moved up into the mountains for cooler alpine air or they made shade structures or built into the ground to just chill out during the hottest parts of the day.
Little early for the United States, but not much.
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No gobekli tepe civilization? people need to talk about it more
Ancient Civilizations did'nt just vanished over night. They got taken over by other tribes or wiped out.