Even In John 1, Jesus Is Not God
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- In this video, Johnny Barnes explores why the author of John 1 believes that God is someone different from Jesus, so we should not think that John 1:1 is teaching that Jesus is God. Also, some problems with the Trinitarian logic of John 1:1 are examined.
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Verses: John 1:1; John 1:1-18
Teacher: Johnny Barnes
“If you have seen me you have seen the Father. I and the Father are 1”
Thats because he was the manifestation of Gods Word. It all started in the garden with His prophecy, throughout the entire old testament, to his birth and his death and resurrection. If we see Jesus we see Him(God)
Thank you for such a reasonable explanation of a verse I hear misused so often by those trying to prove a trinity doctrine. The Bible repeatedly refers to Jesus as God's son. That seems pretty simple to understand that they can't be one and the same. Or two and the same.
This young man is wrong. Please don't believe him. Jehonah's witnesses have their own bible and it is altered to say, that Jesus is not God.
@@christinefarrall9391 Actually, his interpretation and argument are supported by what the Greek text says. Of course, you may disagree with what he is explaining. But his argument is valid (logically speaking).
👊😇Amen!!
@HalleluYAH7773 We all read the same verses. What's your point here?
@@saulm58 you need to read church history and the anti-nausea Church fathers they weren't even close to trinitarian here is Clement who was directly taught from Peter and John.
John 17:3
Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
1 Clement 59:4
Let all the Gentiles know that Thou art the God alone, and Jesus Christ is Thy Son
Great to hear from someone of a younger generation who has discovered the truth in the face of opposition.
❤️🖐️.And the Almighty God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob and Lord Jesus the Son of God will deal with opposition and i Have seen His Mighty hand dealing with " opposition " because He wants everyone to get Saved and Hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ .
AMEM!!!!
The key to make awareness of is the beginning is not referring Genesis 1.
Amen!
What truhr he disxover? Would you like to watch Dr. Jeff Vickers in John 1:1 to resolve these peole here who are unbelief of Jesuus Christ deity.
Remember when he prayed to the father asking him if there was any way the father could remove the burden (crucification) from him ? If he was god he would have known that answer. Another thing, someone asked Jesus when the end would be and he said something like " nor i or the angels in heaven knows, but only the father". These two things makes me think hes not God but God's first creation. Also, when he says " if you know me, you know the father, if you've seen me, you've seen the father". I think he is speaking about his actions and spirit being of God's actions and spirit.
@@inscoredbz
Congratulations to you that you don't take Jesus as God - the 2nd person of the A-B-O-M-I-N-A-T-I-O-N called the doctrine of the Trinity. 👍
“O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three" (Trinity) ; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.” [Qur'an 4:171]
@@whiteandblack2005trinity make no sense
@@What-md2uy
What's more, the doctrine of the Trinity is the exact opposite of the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible. S-A-T-A-N must be lovin the Trinitarian FAITH.
I'm a Muslim.
One of the names of The Quran is The Reminder. God Almighty - the God of Abraham and Moses and Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them all) - calls the people of the previous scriptures BACK to the straight path - the path which they have abandoned / forgotten / c0rrupted / no knowledge of.
“O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three" (Trinity) ; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.” [Qur'an 4:171]
@@What-md2uy
Are you a Christian?
@@What-md2uy
Are you a Unitarian?
Love your work brother! This video reminds me of my John 1:1 Dilemma!
The John 1:1 Dilemma actually proves the Trinity false all by itself. Trinitarians read John 1:1 in one of two possible ways:
1) In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was WITH the Father, and Jesus WAS the Father.
2) In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was WITH God, and Jesus WAS God.
If a Trinitarian picks 1, they must state that Jesus IS the Father, which is heresy to a Trinitarian. If a Trinitarian picks 2, they must state that Jesus was apart from God, WITH God, but not God himself. Option 2 carries the further issue of forcing there to be two Gods, one that Jesus is WITH and one that Jesus IS. Obviously option 2 is heresy to a Trinitarian as well.
So that leaves you with zero possible options as a Trinitarian, and this is why John 1:1 precludes Trinitarianism.
Excellent
They are not each other but share the same divine substance
@@Scott48-w9i Yeah, so "God" is just the "divine substance" you mentioned. So ... Jesus cannot be "WITH" his own divine substance. That's exactly my point.
@@Scott48-w9i The Bible is quite clear that Jesus IS Spirit ...
@@lizzard13666 the divine substance is the One Spirit
In luke 6.12 Jesus prayed to God (Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.).
Yes, He did say thank You to God before he raised Lazarus to life
I agree with Christianity Christianity that made America and that’s a fact, but a Trinity that never came from God or never talk about none of his profits. I disagree with it because it’s not it’s not real
This is where their strategy comes in of saying, "The human side of Jesus was praying."
Why is there such fervor among Trinitarians to defend illogical doctrine neither found nor implied in the Bible?
Exodus 13:21
And the (Lord=Jesus) went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night.
So Jesus was in the cloud right?
1 Corinthians 10:1-4
1. Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea.
2. And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and the sea.
3. And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4. And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that same spiritual (ROCK THAT FOLLOWED THEM): and (THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST).
So in Exodus it said that God was in the cloud, but in (1 Corinthians 10:1-4) says that it is Jesus.
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In (John 17:5) Jesus leaves his glory in heaven, why do you think that he did that?
Well read (Philippians 2:6-8) where Jesus is in the form of God, but says that he would not use that to his advantage when he took on flesh to live a perfect life without sin. Also this is why Jesus prayed to the Father, and said that the Father was greater than himself, because he left his glory in heaven with the Father.
Great explanation without an arrogant comment tone.
There is a much simpler explanation. John was writing to a Jewish audience. We should not take the Greek meaning for logos, but a Jewish one. For Jews the "the word" was " the *spoken* word".
In the beginning was the *spoken* word ("and God said"), and the word was with (toward) God and the word was God *speaking* . The Greek "toward" reminds us that when God speaks it is like a boomerang, coming back toward him in glory, fulfilling that to which it was sent.
Trinity makes no sense...
And john 1:1 can also be translated as
".....and the word was a god. "
This makes more sense.....
then this will make no sense for unitarian.....
Thats why people are confused! LIFE
@@debraannmartinez7157
You dont have to base it on just a verse....
You have to read the whole of that gospel to understand....
Its confusing when some men inject a belief in you....
It came from apostle John, why not take the context from apostle John's epistles....
Surely it will be explained in John's epistles.....
Save your comment for Oprah. Just because you can't accept the truth. Babe, it is easy to read and understand 1st-grade language. Get a book and re-read your bible! @@Cors7358
Right, you shouldn't, but many of you do. So stop throwing scripture; making it fix your claim!@@Cors7358
@Bible-Christian I don't believe in the Doctrines of the Trinity.... I do believe there is one God (the Father), but we cant set aside the scriptures that Jesus is the begotten Son of the Father... If we examine this whole first chapter of the book of John, I can say that it derive its context in the book of Proverbs, particularly chapter 8. You will find the similarities of its context pertaining to Jesus as the Logos/Wisdom. its much better if you read the whole chapter of Proverbs 8. this Wisdom of God is sentient and we do all know that Jesus is the wisdom of God. Below are verses to prove.
22. “The Lord made me as he began his planning,
before his ancient activity commenced.
23 From eternity I was appointed,
from the beginning,
from before there was land.
24 When there were no ocean depths,
I brought them to birth
at a time when there were no springs.
30 Then I was with him, his master craftsman-
I was his delight daily,
continuously rejoicing in his presence,
31 rejoicing in his inhabitable world
and taking delight in mankind.”
Very good work. Former atheist here.
Good to read your comment about being a former atheist, God bless you.
No longer a skeptic eh?
@@Penndreic Never have been a skeptic regarding God.
@@Mark-ec3lp That was not directed at you. But hey, thanks for your honesty. You can’t be a skeptic and believe in god anyways.
@@Penndreicthe math is mathing!
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God. And the word was godly.
The anarthrous noun takes on the properties of an adjective without the article.
And may I ask to what extent the word was godly?
@@nataliuselyanto210 godly not divine
@@nataliuselyanto210it’s a lie. It plain says and the word was The God. But they don’t know Greek. It just lies with no proof. The word is theos and the os end means that the word is a subject noun, so the article isn’t there but is implied by the form of the words ending; os. Devils won’t go into detail to give you the knowledge so you aren’t deceived. They hate the true Jesus so they attack his deity.
It does not say in Greek "the" God. The definite article is not present.
@@QuëstionšnÅňşwęŕż you aren’t applying all of the rules of Greek for interpretation. This is only a half true. I can show you several examples of there not being an article and the translation reads The God, even in the NWT. So learn some more Greek first so that you may stop being deceived
Jesus Christ is The Word of God because through him all of God's purposes come true...That's why THE WORD became flesh: to fulfill all of God's promises and his sacred will...Jesus is depicted in Proverbs chapter 8 as Wisdom, personified...when we carefully read the account we can get a clearer sight of Jesus' role in God's plan... Colossians 1:15-18.
Jesus is"... The Christ, the Son of The living God..."
-Matthew 16:13-17.
May The Almighty God bless you in the name of his Son, our king and Lord, Jesus Christ..! Amen.
I didn’t realise ppl thought Jesus was God till a few years ago .. it never made sense to me as we are supposed to pray to Father through Jesus ..
It is worship the God Lord ( father) directly. Jesus said ( my teaching is not my own but from the one /God/who sent me)
@HalleluYAH7771 Look at Revelation 1:4-5. It says who John saw in his vision. Notice it say’s “the one who is and was and is to come and from the seven spirits before his throne and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness. The first born from the dead.”
In these two verses it is distinguishing Jesus from the one on the throne who was and is and is to come. The Almighty. It is clear to any honest person that verse 8 is the one on the throne with the seven spirits before him. Who was and is and is to come. The Almighty of verse 4 not the faithful witness ( Jesus Christ ) of verse 5. Look at it again very carefully.
You can't trust what people say, read the scriptures yourself, NOT the New World Translation but read the KJV.
I was 40 yrs of age when I discovered Jesus was supposed to be God! I just thought the trinity meant God the father and Jesus his only begotten virgin born son, but wasn't quite sure who the holy spirit was. 🤔
Its new to me also, i never heard it and suddenly i saw it everywhere 👀 alo my church they had a song about it🤔 but Where did this suddenly come from??
Thank you for a good explanation. I always found it strange when people brought that verse to explain why Jesus is the God, yet I didn't get it because Jesus was not mentioned in the first place.
Good man and good teaching.
May I please add:
Notice how John 1:14 DID NOT SAY: And (GOD) became flesh and dwelt among us, as would be the case if John was teaching Jesus is GOD who became flesh, as MOST wrongly believe Jesus is GOD who became flesh.
John 1:14 continues saying: And we beheld His glory, a glory as of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Notice Jesus is: an only begotten from the Father, meaning Jesus was BORN and Fathered from His GOD and Father, proving Jesus is NOT the SAME GOD He was Begotten from. To be Begotten means to come into existence, and NOT always existing as most wrongly believe.
John 1:14 is simply saying the (word) of Yahweh became a living, walking, physical MAN, called The Word (OF) God in Revelation 19:13 and Yahweh's Begotten Son.
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, set apart for the Good News of God, 2 which he promised before through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3 concerning his Son, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, 5 through whom we received grace and apostleship, for obedience of faith among all the nations, for his name's sake; 6 among whom you are also called to belong to Jesus Christ;
Notice how Jesus first came into existence by HAVING BEEN BORN OF A WOMEN?
Please notice how we read in Acts 2:22 saying Jesus was a MAN, and nothing about Jesus being GOD, or an Angel, or some kind of Spirit being BEFORE He was BORN:
Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, (A MAN) having been set forth by God to you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by Him in your the midst, as you yourselves know.
Notice in John 8:40 how Jesus Himself confirms He is (A MAN) and says nothing about Himself being GOD, or an Angel, or some kind of Spirit being BEFORE He was BORN:
Jesus did speak figuratively by saying He came down from Heaven and simply meant He came from GOD as GOD is in heaven, just as Jesus tells us in Matthew 6:9 saying: Therefore pray you like this: 'Our Father (IN THE HEAVENS), hallowed be Your name!
But now you seek to kill Me, (A MAN) who has spoken to you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.
Romans 1:
Notice how Paul tells us that Jesus: was BORN of the seed of David according to the flesh, who was declared to be the Son of God, in line with what Jesus tells us in John 10:36 saying I am the Son of GOD. NOT GOD.
Notice how we do NOT read Paul saying Jesus PRE-EXISTED his flesh before David?
NOWHERE is it written that Jesus was already alive with GOD in heaven and was transformed into the BABY Jesus, unless you are reading the many false modern Bible translations.
But instead we read Paul saying Jesus comes into existence by the seed of David according to the flesh, in line with John 1:14 saying the word of GOD became FLESH, as the SON of MAN Jesus.
If Jesus was WITH GOD before He was BORN as a MAN, then WHAT WAS HE?
Notice how we read in John 3:16, how GOD GAVE us His only begotten Son, and yet most have been deceived into believing in a false Gospel teaching GOD came and gave Himself and madly believe died on the cross, when the truth is GOD cannot DIE, when it was GOD's SON who died, NOT GOD, which makes a false Christ.
Just as James 1:17 tells us:
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, nor turning shadow.
Jesus is truly a gift from GOD, when we take up our cross and deny ourselves by believing and following the true Jesus, we will be saved: For God so loved the world that (HE GAVE) the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life. John 3:16. BLB.
Exactly!!💨
@@Ladyguite79 Bless you!
@HalleluYAH7771 Revelation 1:8,
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says Lord God, the One being, and who was, and who is coming, the Almighty.
1. Revelation 1:8,
is GOD the Father, and NOT Jesus. This is easy to understand because we clearly see who the person is in this verse which” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:8.
IT IS WORTH KNOWING THAT JESUS IS NEVER EVER CALLED: THE LORD GOD, OR THE ALMIGHTY.
Notice below how super Trinitarian Barns Notes confirms Revelation 1:8 should NOT be used as proof of Jesus being GOD, contradicting what MOST Trinitarians say:
2. Revelation 1:11,
I am the Alpha and the Omega is clearly Not genuine, and was added in some translations to make us believe Jesus is GOD almighty.
Who added: I am the Alpha and the Omega, in Revelation 1:11? Was it the same people who altered: 1 John 5:7 in the King James Bible?
I wonder if they are Trinitarians?
Revelation 21:6,
And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the one thirsting I will give of the spring of the water of life freely.
3. Revelation 21:6,
also has nothing to do with Jesus being GOD, because the verse goes on to tell us:
The one overcoming will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son.
As Jesus never, ever taught that He was our GOD and Father, but instead taught that His Father was our Father, and His GOD was our GOD, and He was a brother, this is then obvious Revelation 21:6, is also about GOD almighty and NOT Jesus.
@HalleluYAH7771 4. Revelation 22:13,
But what about Revelation 22,13?
There are people who are in agreement, which I also agree, Revelation 22,13, is not the Title for Jesus but for GOD ALMIGHTY.
This is easy to establish by reading through Revelation 22,12 to 21.
WHO is now talking to John?
We read it is one of the seven angels in Revelation 21:9
The New Jerusalem
9 And one of the seven angels having the seven bowls being full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
Notice verse 6:
Notice how Trinitarians have added in Jesus is coming before verse 6 when this is referring to GOD. 👉 Jesus is Coming👈
6 And he said to me, “These words are faithful and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show His servants the things that must come to pass in quickness.”
We read in verse 6 that The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel.
Notice at this point how there is NOTHING about Jesus sending His Angel or talking to John Himself, but instead: the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel.
So we read here the Angel is talking for the Lord GOD, and continues to say:
7“ And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is the one keeping the words of the prophecy of this book.”
8 And I, John, am the one hearing and seeing these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel showing these things me. 9 And he says to me, “See that you not do this. I am your fellow servant, and with your brothers the prophets, and with those keeping the words of this book. Worship God!”
10 And he says to me, “Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is near. 11 The one being unrighteous, let him be unrighteous still; and he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; and he who is righteous, let him practice righteousness still; and he who is holy, let him be holy still.”
12 “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each as is his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
Notice the Angel is talking for GOD to John, and NOT JESUS, and the Angel says for GOD in verse 13: I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
14 Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the tree of life, and they shall enter into the city by the gates. 15 Outside are the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the sexually immoral, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and everyone loving and practicing falsehood.
Notice If we turn to Isaiah 40:10, we will find the similar language is found saying: Behold, the Lord Yahweh will come as a mighty one, and his arm will rule for him. Behold, his reward is with him, and his recompense before him. World English Bible
Just as we read it is GOD ALMIGHTY in: Isaiah 62:11
Behold, Yahweh has proclaimed to the end of the earth, "Say to the daughter of Zion, 'Behold, your salvation comes. Behold, his reward is with him, and his recompense before him.'" World English Bible
Countless scriptures tell us the same message that it is Yahweh GOD ALMIGHTY who rewards the righteous THROUGH His SON and with Jesus our Mediator.
We continue to read that it is GOD ALMIGHTY who is our salvation, because it was GOD's own plan to send and sacrifice his own begotten SON Jesus to save us.
Behold, God is my salvation. I will trust, and will not be afraid; for Yah, Yahweh, is my strength and song; and he has become my salvation." Isaiah 12:2. World English Bible
The scriptures teach us Yahweh GOD ALMIGHTY who saves, and then THROUGH His SON.
If [any of] your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of the heavens, from there will Yahweh your God gather you, and from there he will bring you back: Deuteronomy 30:4 World English Bible
We have clearly seen how Revelation 22:6 to Revelation 22:16 is about the Angel talking for the Lord GOD, and the Lord GOD says in verse 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” AND NOT JESUS.
We now move from the Angel talking for the Lord GOD, to an Angel talking for Jesus of Himself in the very next part of Revelation 22:16,
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”
Notice how Jesus makes a clear difference between Himself and GOD, and again clearly IDENTIFIES Himself through His Angel saying:
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”
Again there is nothing said by Jesus calling Himself: I am the Alpha and the Omega.
17 The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price.
18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.
Notice how Ellicott’s Commentary for English Readers, says it is GOD who gives back to each one his work,” says St. John.
(12) And, behold, I come quickly . . .-Rather, Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me to give back to each one as his work is. To give back to each: here we have the truth declared by St. Paul uttered in words borrowed from Isaiah (Isaiah 40:10). “Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap,” wrote St. Paul (Galatians 6:7-8): “God gives back to each one his work,” says St. John.
Conclusion.
Many say: The “Alpha and Omega” statements prove Jesus is God.
But instead my research reveals the Biblical facts that prove The “Alpha and Omega” statements are the Titles for GOD ALMIGHTY alone.
This is proved by Jesus own words, by the fact Jesus ALWAYS IDENTIFIED Himself and never ever identified Himself as The Alpha and Omega.
The Biblical facts.
From the beginning of Revelation to the end of Revelation, John always declares ONE biblical fact, that there is ONE being who is the creator and GOD ALMIGHTY alone.
This perfect example can be seen below:
Revelation 4:
11 “Worthy are You, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power;
for You created all things,
and because of Your will, they existed and were created.”
Notice in Revelation 17:14 how Jesus is NOT called GOD Almighty:
The Victory of the Lamb
14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those with Him are called and chosen and faithful.”
Notice in Revelation 19:15 how John refers to Jesus and defines who is GOD by saying: the wrath of God the Almighty.
15 And out of His mouth goes forth a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations; and He will shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the press of the wine of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
16 And He has a name having been written upon the robe and upon His thigh:
In Revelation 20:6 we see again how John clarifies who is GOD and who is Christ by saying God and of Christ:
6 Blessed and holy is the one having a part in the first resurrection! Over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years.
Throughout the whole book of Revelation, we clearly see how John always IDENTIFIES GOD as the Lord God Almighty ALONE, and Jesus as the Lamb of GOD ALONE and NEVER EVER are both GOD and the Lamb described as ONE GOD, or the Lamb as being the SAME GOD, as seen in Revelation 21:
And I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty is its temple, and the Lamb. 23 And the city has no need of the sun, nor of the moon, that they should shine in it; for the glory of God enlightened it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 And the nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory into it. 25 And its gates shall not be shut by day, for there will be no night there.
There is absolutely not a single word from the beginning of Revelation to the end of Revelation where John calls Jesus GOD, or where Jesus calls Himself GOD, or where GOD ALMIGHTY calls His SON GOD.
This Biblical fact, is an identical striking fact, that Jesus never, ever calls himself GOD, in the gospels of Matthew Mark or Luke.
And as we have carefully examined the identical striking fact in the book of Revelation, when we carefully examine John’s Gospel, we discover the same fact yet again, that millions have taken John’s Gospel out of context.
We have to ask ourselves, if John truly meant Jesus was GOD in John 1:1, than why did he not teach Jesus was GOD anywhere in the book of Revelation?
No one needs to be a Bible scholar to see and understand this simple biblical fact.
But instead all one needs is what Jesus always taught with what GOD ALMIGHTY has provided: Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand! Matthew 11:15.
When we do hear, we simply SEE, Jesus never, ever claimed to be GOD or His own Father, and this simple Biblical fact shows how MOST are sadly deceived.
@HalleluYAH7771 You 👉 John 8:58 - ”Jesus said to them: “Most assuredly, I say to you: Before Abraham was; I AM (THE LIVING GOD).”
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John 8:58 The Correct Meaning.
Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."
Jesus was simply saying: Before Abraham existed, I am (He), I am the one, I am (He) the promised Messiah and deliverer, ORDAINED and chosen as the Begotten Son of GOD and Lamb of GOD before the foundations of the world.
Notice how Jesus DID NOT SAY: before Abraham was, I existed.
Notice how Jesus DID NOT SAY: before Abraham was, I am - GOD.
Notice how Jesus DID NOT SAY: before Abraham was, I was alive with GOD.
GOD THE SON IS A FALSE CHRIST.
Excellent explanation, in just 10 minutes. That's not easy for this passage. Good job.
But he is wrong.
Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with (HIS OWN BLOOD)
How did God purchase the church? With his own blood.
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How can Jesus be God and the Father be God too, but we have one God?
Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and THEY SHALL BE ONE FLESH.
So two persons can share in unity as one. And the Trinity share one essence in three persons.
@@homielifesaver2332 czcams.com/video/xV-GUTpYryU/video.html
In Jn.8:48, Jesus says, "If don't believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.". Would like die in your sins❓
@@MathewThomasFET The "I am He" is a code reference to claiming to be the Messiah. If they do not believe that Jesus is God's Messiah, then they will die in their errors, as a result of their rebellion, which is exactly what happened. It has nothing to do with some atonement payment idea - that concept did not even exist in those days.
@@kevingeorge1095 What are the Greek words of the New Testament that say, “I am He”.❓Where else in the Bible do you find these words ❓ And who said them ❓
Exactly, Jesus isn’t God, nor equal to God. He called our God and Father his God and Father at John 20:17.
See also:
1 Corinthians 8:4-6
4 Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
And……
John 17:3 “This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.”
The only true God…..
@@stevenwebb6253
Congratulations. You're not a Trinitarian and you don't take Jesus as God. We have a common ground on the most important subject - the subject of God. I'm a Muslim.
I invite you to reason.
Messiah Jesus (peace be upon him) used to reason.
Won't you reason?
i recommend you check out Philippians 2:5-11. If you deny Jesus being God then you deny the Bible
@@twistedtomato9792
Do you realize the seriousness of the matter that your FAITH runs to Philippians but you're unable to back up your FAITH from the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible.
Thanks to Paul of the Bible the f3r0c10us w0lf in she-ep's clo-thi-ng whom Jesus wa-rn-ed about.
The modern UU church in the US has become more of a humanistic philosophical organization. The last time I went to one years ago somebody was"offended" because I used the word God. They are so far from what William Ellery Channing taught that it's not really a church anymore. I am related to William Ellery Channing via his grandfather William Ellery, who was the signer on the declaration of independence from Rhode Island. -Dr. Janice Ellery
These folk who made this video are certainly not UU (unitarian universalists).
You couldn't be more correct and this movement is sweeping the internet on every single Christian discussion forum and all social media everywhere. It is a modern version of Judaism that 100% denies Jesus and seeks to erase Him.
It is, as the Bible defines, an anti-Christ doctrine. This belief system is fully rejected by 1 Jn. 2:22-23 and Jn. 14:6. Those who do not embrace, and believe in, Jesus Christ as God, do not have any access to the Father. God bless.
@@ken440How do you even find a unitarian church that is not UU?
@@whateverwhatever7210 well there is neither here down under. no matter, i fellowship on line sometimes. "going to church" has lost its flavour for me anyway now that im not welcome, after a life of over 30 years doing that as a misguided trinitarian, nor is it what we are called to do. We are supposed to go out into the world and make disciples.
and not going to church cant be blamed for becoming unitarian, i did that back when i was in trinitarian circles and didnt know there was such a thing as a unitarian.
Lotta comments trying to disqualify this understanding of Jesus by saying the content creator is an unqualified man. Wasn’t the trinity created by men?
Any person reading scripture that isn’t coached into “seeing” the trinity would see Jesus as the Messiah, God as the Father and the Holy Spirit as God’s Spirit. Why do we need to qualify God’s grace and Jesus’ sacrifice by raising him to godhood.
All worship to Jesus is to the Father, honoring the Son honors the Father. God has made new covenants before (hence why we usually don’t hold most of Old Testament Law) so I see no issue with God commanding us to honor his Son whom by being a perfect servant and sacrifice was exalted to His Right Hand.
(Acts 20:28)
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God which he hath purchased (WITH HIS OWN BLOOD).
Whose blood purchased the church? God’s blood purchased the church.
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(Isaiah 9:6)
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, (THE MIGHTY GOD), the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.
The Son that is given is the MIGHTY GOD? Who is the Son? Jesus.
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(Isaiah 44:24)
Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretched forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF.
So God created everything by himself alone.
(Colossians 1:16)
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in the earth, visible and invisible, weather they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were CREATED BY HIM, and for him:
So all things were created by Jesus? Yes, and (Isaiah 44:24) tells us God created everything alone.
So Jesus created all things, and it is God that created all things alone.
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Anyone who reads the Bible with diligence is forced into believing that God Is Trinity without being coached.
Sometimes I think Trinitarians don't want the truth, don't care either way. I loaned a member of my church the book "The Jesus Wars" and later asked what he thought regarding the nature of God and Jesus? He shoot back "It really don't make a difference!" There you have it! The majority don't think it matters and don't care! By the way I was asked to leave that church, it was asserted that I was upsetting the brethren! The "powers that be" are responsibile for so much theological illiteracy in the churches. The false prophets [ in the pulpits] are running lose in Christianity.
@@priscillajervey8345
You gave no arguments in your paragraph as to why the Trinity is wrong, and I have never heard of that book you got them to read, but what ever the book says doesn’t matter if it contradicts the Bible.
Also if someone was going around the church trying to teach false doctrine, the church should ask them to leave.
If you give arguments from the Bible, then we can have a conversation, but if you say some book has more authority than the Bible, well that is a conversation ending argument.
@@priscillajervey8345tried to understand Acts 20:28 Church of God purchasen by his own blood who did sacrifice on the cross?
The Trinity is nowhere in the Bible nor is "God the Son, or the God-man" All manufactured by man! What a pity that so many adhere to such absuridy as the " mystery" trinity. No wonder it is acceptd as a mystery, no one can explain it even it's most ardent defenders.
The Father is nominally called God or has name God. The Word was God is using God in the predicative sense; namely, that the Word was also God, a single divine nature subsisting as Father, Son & Spirit. The Father is uncaused & eternally begot the Word (Son) and eternally spirates the Spirit.
The word in the beginning was "Let there be Light"
Malachi 3:1 NASBS
"Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming," says the LORD of hosts.
Growing up with a song stuck in every sunday service seems like, god in 3 persons…it wasnt until I was in a college logic class that…wait a minute…🧐 and then having the ability to take a real good class at the time called power for abundant living, had me a changed person and still enjoy life…,✌🏼🕊
Logic should be a required class for all high school students, and Advanced Logic for college students.
How right you are!@@MichaelTheophilus906
I believe God the Father is the one and only God...
God is holy and he is a spirit...so God the Father himself is the hly spirit
Jesus was a man approved of God . He was sent by God as a goodd human teacher to guide Israelites... that it....he is not God at all
Jesus is refered to as son of God...but he himself says in Matthew that all peacemakers and righteous human beings can be called sons and daughters of God.
He is also called sons on man..the book of numbers say that God is neither a man not a son of man
Hence I believe the Father/ Holy spirit is the only one true God and Jesus was a prophet...
Isaiah 9:6 (NIV). Prophecy about Jesus.
@@manifestemanifeste8148That's Jesus Theophoric name, go see the Hebrews translation
Jesus is not saying he's a son of a man. He's saying he's the Son of Man, a title and divine figure prohesised in Daniel7:13, who would be given by the Ancient of Days(God the Father) power, glory, dominion, and an Everlasting Kingdom.
Good video i hope this channel will be posting more often, greetings from Slovakia
What part of Slovakia are in?
Correction: What part of Slovakia are you in?
@@csouthland Bratislava- capital city, west
John 1:1 You're right, it doesn't make sense to understand that in a Trinitarian way.
Here is the scripture - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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*Trinitarian language key:*
*Trinity(3 people in one Godly essence):* God
*Jesus:* The Word
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It doesn't mention father, son or Holy spirit. So if you take the Trinitarian word meaning as it is. It would read,
In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with The Trinity, and Jesus was The Trinity.
If Jesus is the trinity then he is also the Father and the Holy Spirit and the Son. It implies he is all three but at the same time is with all three. This doesn't make sense. Jesus being all three persons is not what Trinitarians believe so this verse makes no sense to that doctrine.
Why even argue about it. The entire bible is fantasy land.
@@jamiesimms7084 The Father is God.
Jesus, the Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
God is one.
I say, amen, Lord.
Man has no right to contradict the way God make Himself known in the Bible.
God is Spirit. God is Eternal. God's Way is not human's way. God is the Creator. God is Holy.
Man is a finite, created being who is sinful in his ways in this material created world. There's no way man could cage the Holy God with words and ideas like Unitary or Trinity; just so he could make sense in his head the divine Godhead with his natural experience. God is simply God the way He says so in His Word. Humans can't limit His ways! Humans can't contradict God!
@@harveygitarista1600 that's untrue and the Bible doesn't say that, but people change the meaning of things and interpret things how they want. If God is one then he is one person and if God is more than one person then God isn't one and this is a contradiction and this would mean God is an author of confusion and lies. Your understanding sounds like the philosophy of the devil. God is one and Jesus is his son.
@@harveygitarista1600 you limit the unlimited God with your pagan thoughts. God isn't a trinity in any format whether you use the word or not. Your teaching like evolution is like the emperor's new clothes, just nonsense that people repeat and tell themselves it's real when it's really not.
Sorry I'm catholic from indonesia .Honestly I'm not a very religious person ,but
Jesus said : " I and Father are One "
" Whoever has seen Me , has seen the Father ".
How about that bro ?
John 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
When Jesus is saying that, he’s showing how they are oneness in mindset and personality. For example, my son is EXACTLY like me, like in the way he looks and acts. And people say “oh all I see is your father” when they’re talking to my son. So it’s in the same sense.
Seriously??!! You have really taken a simplistic approch to those verses. Jesus was saying he is the visible image of the invisible God, he representened him in every way, he stood in his "stead." Jesus ALSO told the disciples to become one just as he and the father were one - one in goal, mindset same purpose etc, Have you never heard when a couple gets married they are told to become one??? Please use your common sense. Doesn't any kind of team work require they become one in purpose and a goal?? No wonder you have no clear understanding, you have a Catholic background. The Trinity is the :stillborn: child of the Catholic church.
Jesus had a genealogy and is written about in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke. Jesus being the Messiah was also called the son of David. in Matt 9:27 and again in Matt 21:9. Paul also calls Jesus as a descendant of David in Rom 1:3 The eternal God simply does not have a lineage or human ancestry it would be absurd to think a descendant of David is God or vice-versa.
Jesus had a mother. The Bible makes it clear in numerous passages that a woman Mary is the mother of Jesus for example Matt 2:11-13,14. In Acts 1:14 as obvious as it may sound the mother-son relationship between Mary and Jesus is by far one of the most potent arguments against Jesus godhood. If Christians insist Jesus was God then it logically follows that they must accept Mary as the mother of God. The truth is that Mary did not give birth to anything other than a mortal human being.
Jesus was likened to Adam in Rom 5:15 Paul likens Jesus to Adam the first man by writing quote “for if the many died by the trespass of the one man how much more did God's grace and a gift that came by the grace of the one man Jesus Christ”. Obviously the man in the first part of the verse refers to Adam whose sin supposedly caused death to enter the world and later in 1 Cor 15:45 Paul calls Jesus the last Adam. If Jesus was God why would Paul liken God the Son to Adam a being that God created?
Jesus ate and drank in Matt 11:19 Jesus says he came eating and drinking how can a man who ate and drank be God, does God eat and drink?
Jesus felt hunger and thirst, Jesus felt hungry we read yhis in John 19:28 we read that Jesus while on the cross felt thirsty God obviously does not feel hungry or thirsty. God has no needs and since Jesus felt hunger and thirst He was a human like us. He could not have been God.
Jesus called himself a man in John 8:40. Jesus himself states he is a man who speaks what he hears from God, no different from previous prophets. The trinitarian claim that Jesus was fully God and fully man has no foundation in the Bible.
Jesus was seen as a prophet in Matt 21:46. Jesus was seen as a human prophet the
Israelites always understood prophets as mortal human messengers of God who were not in any way divine.
Jesus was a human mediator 1Tim 2:5 makes it clear that there is one God and Jesus is only a man who mediates between God and mankind.
Jesus was a man with god-given authority in Matt 9:8 we read that Jesus was a man whose authority and power came from God. Jesus reiterates the same point in many other passages.
Jesus was accredited and appointed by God in Acts 2:22 we read Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God. Later in Acts 17:31 Jesus is said to be a man who was appointed by God. In the past God accredited and appointed many prophets to carry out various tasks that does not make the prophets divine. The same applies to Jesus he was not God himself but rather an agent of God.
Jesus is called a son of man in Mark 8:31, Mark 2:10, Matt 9:6 and Luke 5:24 Jesus is called the Son of Man which was a phrase applied to humans in the Old Testament. Why would God ever be a son of man? God in the Old Testament categorically denies being a man or a son of man there is no question of a son of man being God Num 23:19.
Jesus was subordinate to God. We see this in Rom 15:6, 2 Cor 11:31, Eph 1:3,17 Eph 3:14 and Col 13:3. The New Testament routinely states that God and Jesus are separate persons and that God is also the God of Jesus. This refutes the notion that Jesus is God or in any way co-equal with God. In 1 Cor 11:3 Paul teaches that God is superior to Christ how then can people insist that Jesus is himself God.
Jesus taught to worship and pray to God in several instances. Jesus directed all worship only to God who he called the Father and not to himself. In Matt 4:10 Jesus rebukes Satan by saying worship the Lord your God and serve him only, then in Matt 6:6 Jesus instructs his followers to pray to the Father not the son or the Holy Spirit. Then in John 4:23 Jesus says the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. Very clearly Jesus never demanded worship for himself instead his message was to worship the Father
Jesus submitted to God's will in Matt 26:39 Jesus prayed to God and ends by saying:
“yet not as I will but as you will.” Heb 5:7 also highlights Jesus submission to God. God is sovereign and submits to nobody, Jesus on the other hand submits to the will of God which demonstrates that Jesus was subordinate to God and therefore could not have been God in any way or form.
Jesus emphasized doing the will of God and not his own this is made clear in John 4:34, Matt 7:21 and John 6:28. Jesus found it important to do the will of God and taught the same to others.
Jesus said God is greater than him, we read this in John 14:28 where he declares and quote “the Father is greater than I” this notion is repeated in John 10:29. We see here that there is nobody greater than God and Jesus who plainly states that the Father is greater than him and he was not God.
Jesus was circumcised according to the law in Luke 2:21 Jesus was circumcised on the eighth day like any other Israelite child. As per Israelite law Jesus kept the sign of the physical covenant God made with Abraham.
Jesus was presented to God according to the law, again like any other Israelite firstborn Jesus was presented to God in the temple we read this in Luke 2:22. Mary and Joseph were simply keeping the commands that God gave to the Israelites.
Jesus affirmed the Shema in Mark 12:29, Jesus affirmed the Shema which is the Israelite statement of faith in one God. Jesus who was an Israelite himself said that the Shema is the most important of all commandments. Jesus did not attempt to modify it so as to accommodate a trinity or his own supposed godhood. How then do trinitarian see the trinity and Jesus godhood in the Shema?
@Bible-Christian All Trinitarians. They state clearly that Jesus IS God - you know the three persons in one God. The Nicea creed! Have you been under a rock? All mainstream churches are Trinitarians - Jesus is God! The Trinity "mystery".
Mark 14:61-64 ESV
But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" [62] And Jesus said, "I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven." [63] And the high priest tore his garments and said, "What further witnesses do we need? [64] You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?" And they all condemned him as deserving death.
1) in the trinity you say the father and the son are fully equal to the one another. The son is begotten but the father is unbegotten can you say that the father is begotten like the son ?
2) if the trinity is 3 persons is the trinity identical to the 3 persons ?
3) In the trinity Does the father know that he is the father ? Does the son know that he is the son ? does the father know that he is the son ? Does the son know that he is the father?
4) Does the father know that he has Human nature and does the son know that he has divine nature ? if he answer no that means they don’t have the same knowledge
5) In the trinity the three persons in god are they dependent on each others or independent of each others?
6) If the father is one with the son why he come always first in the trinity ?
7) If the three persons in the trinity are one can we replace them with one another can the son be the 1st then the spirit the 2nd then the father the 3rd ?
8) Is Jesus in the God head or would you say the God Head is in Jesus ? if he answer one of them that means we have 2 Gods in the Godhead but if he If he answer both of them we ask how can someone be in the Godhead and also the Godhead be in them at the same time ?
9) John 4:24 God is Spirit is that spirit referring to the whole trinity or to the father or the son or the Holy Spirit ? if he answer to the father it means we have 2 spirits the Holy spirit and the father spirit but if he said refer to the trinity it means we have 3 spirits in the trinity
10) Do you see the father son and the holy spirit as three different names of three persons or do you see the father son and Holy spirit as describing one name of one God if so what is the one name that it’s describing ? If he answer the one name of the one God we ask him what is the one name ?
11) Will we see the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit in heaven?
12) Was Jesus Unitarian or trinitarian ? Why ?
13) in the trinity you say the father and the son are fully equal to one another. The son is begotten but the father is unbegotten can you say that the father is begotten like the son ?
14) John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (Jesus said explicitly the father is the only true God,How many person is the father ? is he one person or three person when Jesus said he is the only TRUE God ?
15) Is the trinity one identity or three identities?
16) In the trinity do you believe in one self or three selves?
17) Is the attribute of life a Divine or human characteristic?
18) Does the father need the son to exist or does the son need the father to exist ? Does the father need the son for existence or Does the son need the father for existence or and why?
19) in the trinity you say the father and the son are fully equal to one another. The father is the one who sent the son can we say the son is the one who sent the Father because they are fully equal to one another ?
20) John 1:1 The Word = Jesus. God = the trinity. In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with the trinity, and Jesus was the trinity.
21) John 1:1 The word was with God and the ward was God. can we say John was with Tom and John was Tom ?
21) John 1:12 said you are childrens of God. In the trinity Jesus = father Are you childrens of Jesus or the father ? can you say that you are childrens of Jesus ?
22) John 3:16 Jesus is the begotten son of God. In the trinity Jesus = father can you say the father is the begotten son of Jesus ?
Nice one, I like it.
Also, 1. HOW MANY GODS are on the throne of GOD, as Trinitrans also believe Jesus is GOD?
2. Where is the HOLY Spirit on the throne of GOD?
3. As Jesus has a GOD, how is Jesus that SAME GOD?
4 Where did GOD say He was the SON?
5. Where did Jesus say He is GOD?
6. Where did GOD or Jesus say we MUST BELIEVE Jesus is GOD to be saved?
“For God so loved the world, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16.
7. WHERE did GOD say He gave Himself to be crucified, if GOD is Jesus?
8. WHERE did GOD SAY the HOLY Spirit is a separate person?
9. WHERE is the HOLY Spirit in John 1:1?
10. WHERE is the HOLY Spirit on GOD'S THRONE, does He go on HOLIDAY?
@@IsJesusGod.not going to lie, 10 made me laugh out loud. 😂
@@IsJesusGod. Many of those questions are cleared up with Rev. 1:8 and Isaiah 9:6. Also Rom. 8:9-11 answers the questions about the Holy Spirit. I am not a Trinitarian.
Bravo!!! Amen! However even with all this common sense logic, Trinitarians will still argue with you, they are hard headed and hotwired to make Jesus God! As one girl told me years afo" She couldn't STAND to believe Jesus wasn't God!" What is wrong with these people? Does someone here posting have the answer???😕🥺
@@priscillajervey8345 What is "wrong" with them, in your estimation, is that they have the Holy Spirit and a spiritual discernment that tells them from within, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that Jesus IS God. Jesus is most certainly God and, sadly, many only know of the Trinity as the way that He must be God.
The Trinity is nonsense. It is taught nowhere in the Bible, BUT Jesus is undoubtedly God. Anyone who reads the Gospels, and the New Testament, in their entirety, will come away with the clear understanding that Christ is God. It is crystal clear and He even declares it proudly in Rev. 1:8.
Jesus says in John 8:24, 58 that if you do not believe that He is the "I AM" (the God of the OT), you will die in your sins. Best get it right.
You can't compare God to earthly metaphor because he created everything
@@djfasidjecks4815 The Father is God.
Jesus, the Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
God is one.
I say, amen, Lord.
Man has no right to contradict the way God make Himself known in the Bible.
God is Spirit. God is Eternal. God's Way is not human's way. God is the Creator. God is Holy.
Man is a finite, created being who is sinful in his ways in this material created world. There's no way man could cage the Holy God with words and ideas like Unitary or Trinity; just so he could make sense in his head the divine Godhead with his natural experience. God is simply God the way He says so in His Word. Humans can't limit His ways! Humans can't contradict God!
Jesus is God, Hebrews 1:1-8
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. 13But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
THIS 💯- shalom, friend!!!
that whole section you quote proves that Jesus is NOT God, read it properly. Look up that "worlds" you put in there in V2. Look it up in a concordance, just a concordance is all it takes to show your error. What does that word "worlds" mean. I think you have been conditioned to see it wrong by watching Star Trek.
@@ken440 Concordance? Where is that in the 1611 Holy Bible? Nothing is of private interpretation. The scriptures speak for themselves.
@@theophilus7558 concordance helps you understand the word meaning in the original language.
that word "world" in heb1:2 is the concept of the scriptural meaning of "worldlyness" or "this evil age" because the greek word there is "aeions" which means "ages."
But modern sillys can only think of a planet when they see "world" now, thanks to captain Kirk going off to "discover new worlds" and so the reference context in Hebrews is set out in Heb1:1 the very verse before it !!!!! "In times past....... but now in these times..." see? all of Hebrews letter is comparing past age of law, with the current age of the body of christ. !!!!
God is one!!!! @@theophilus7558 James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder.
The kingdom of God is amongst us and within us
The word' is the active creative power of God, the results of which you see in Genesis or the writing of the Tanakh. This word dwells in Jesus - this is what is shown again and again in John's gospel. He hears or speaks the word - he's not the same thing as the word. But if you want to talk about John's Gospel, Jesus says he is a man who has heard the truth from God. He says the Father is the only true God. He says the Father is greater than himself. He says the Father is greater than all. He says he is sent, authorized, granted, and does the will of the Father. John's Gospel is a very clearly subordinationist text.
@@Scott48-w9i there is no eternal soul As these doctrines in the scriptures this is other false narrative of what is iYahweh breathed into life and existence the eternal soul doctrines are false interpretations added throughout by metaphysics please research this topic!
@@Zipfreer Isaiah 42:1 KJV my soul my spirit
@@Scott48-w9iYou didn't even look into the truth you just comment a false Pagan interpretations add throughout by metaphysics Yahweh breathed into life and existence the eternal soul doctrines are false interpretations add throughout by metaphysics please research this topic!
@@Zipfreer man has three parts body soul spirit
@@Scott48-w9i man has three parts to a soul is more pagan doctrines Of a trinity as pagans love this three parts they have added to their beliefs regarding the false teachings of the eternal soul as scriptures teach no such thing just like the trinity doctrine.better do the studying on this stuff than we could have a discussion about it
(إن الذين آمنوا والذين هادوا والنصارى والصابئين من آمن بالله واليوم الآخر وعمل صالحا فلهم أجرهم عند ربهم ولا خوف عليهم ولا هم يحزنون) .
This is an extract from the Quran in surat albaqara,is that Christians who believe in the one true god, and the end of days, and have done good deeds in life, you shouldn’t worry about them, god will look after them and they will never know sadness. Unitarian Christians will enter heaven inshallah
Where have you been guys? It has been years since you posted videos. I’m so glad to finally see you.
When king saul wanted to consult the dead samuel, and contacted the witch of endor, she saw gods ascending from the ground. The authors of the bible identify spirits as gods. It's a classification to identify essence or nature. It can also be used to classify authority as when god told moses that he, moses, woule be as god to pharaoh. The angels, gods sons, are also refered to as gods. Paul calls satan the god of this world. By trinitarian logic satan must also be part of the godhead, except it wouldn't be a trinity, but a multitude of individuals comprising the godhead.
The trinitarian God is the highest and transcending divinity. Tribal gods and man-gods are deities of lower classes. They are instances of divinity for special applications.
As I said before, I'm open to the idea, and I like this presentation, because it seems to make sense of John 1. I kind of think Jesus is the perfect image of God. He can explain God to us. I'm still unsure where that puts everything, because, again, God is husband to His people, And Christ is husband to God's people. There are so many questions to ask God about.
Philippians 2:6 KJV
[6] who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
@HalleluYAH7773 Jn 8 isn't convincing.
They asked, "And who are you?"
He answers, "The same as I've been telling you from the start. ... When you raise me up you'll know I am he, and I can do nothing on my own..."
Unless they believe Jesus is the manner in which God saves humanity, they will die in their sins.
@@Servant44When something is equal to God, doesn't that mean God is one thing, and they are something else, but having equality with that God?
Yet, how can anything have equality with God?
It's difficult.
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To preach Repentance and Remission of sins to Everyone, All nations
Luke 24:47 KJV
and that [repentance] and [remission of sins] should be [preached] in his name among [all nations,] beginning at Jerusalem.
- Sincere turn from (practice) of (sin) and (willful sin) or (All) will perish
Luke 13:3 KJV
I tell you, [Nay:] but, except [ye repent,] ye shall [all] [likewise] [perish.]
- Believe for your faith will save you, for believing leads to (pardon of sins) to not (die) in (sin)
John 8:24 KJV
I said therefore unto you, that [ye shall die] in your sins: for [if ye believe not] that I am he, ye shall [die] in your [sins.]
- Receive forgiveness of sins when we are converted, + multiple ways for remission of sins, (pardon of sins)
Acts 10:43 KJV
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his [name] [whosoever believeth] [in him] shall [receive] [remission of sins.]
- Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself, for love will (cover) all sins, (pardon of sins)
Proverbs 10:12 KJV
Hatred stirreth up strifes: but [love] [covereth] all [sins.]
Luke 7:47 KJV
Wherefore I say unto thee, [Her sins,] which [are many,] [are forgiven;] for [she loved much:] but to whom [little is forgiven,] the same [loveth little.]
- Have frevernt (love) among (the brethren) and (the people) for frevernt (love,) giving, having conpassion shall (cover) the multitude of sins, (pardon of sins)
1 Peter 4:8 KJV
And above all things have fervent [charity] [among yourselves:] for [charity] shall [cover] the [multitude of sins.]
- Preaching and (converting the sinner) from the error of his way will (hide) a multitude of sins, (pardon of sins)
James 5:20 KJV
Let him know, that he which [converteth] the sinner from the [error of his way] shall save a [soul] from [death,] and shall [hide] a [multitude of sins.]
- Confession of sin, confess your sins everyday for the forgiveness of sins, (pardon of sins)
1 John 1:9 KJV
If we [confess] our sins, he is faithful and just to [forgive] us [our sins,] and to [cleanse us] from all [unrighteousness.]
- (Water baptism) for the (remission of sins), remission/pardon/forgiveness of sins
Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be [baptized] every one of you in the [name] of [Jesus Christ] for the [remission of sins,] and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
- To give knowledge of salvation to all by the (remission) of (our) (sins), (pardon of sins)
Luke 1:77 KJV
To give [knowledge] of [salvation] unto his people [by] the [remission] of their [sins,]
- Those (predestined), will die in (0 sin,) all sins were pardoned by the (remission of sins)
Matthew 24:13 KJV
[13] But he that shall [endure] unto [the end,] the same [shall be saved.]
@@mariomene2051 I was in the same place you are several years ago. You have every right to ask the hard questions and test how you understand scriptures regarding who our Messiah is. I for one admire your courage and want to encourage you to continue on this path.
Johnny was with the Boy Scouts, Johnny was a Boy Scout...The Father is not The Son, The Holy Spirit is not The Father, The Son is not The Holy Spirit yet they are all God. "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.” Gen.1:26, "Which is easier: to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'? Matt 9:5
Thanks for your comment, however, your analogy does not work with Trinitarian translations. In Trinitarian translations it would be, "Johnny was with the Boy Scout, Johnny was the Boy Scout." Your suggestion of "a boyscout" is very similar to what Trinitarians condemn, that the Word was "a God." So I'm not sure they would appreciate your analogy. I appreciate you addressing the arguments made in the video though. Also, I would like to point out that there are thousands of singular pronouns for God, so the one or two incidents (Gen. 1:26) where it may seem to be using a plural pronoun are not great evidence to then say God is a plural being. Either He is a singular being or a plural "beings". Which side does the evidence favor? Thanks again.
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I’d be really curious to see if you have either done any videos on this subject or if you would do one, but I see this argument about the identities of the Father and the Son all the time, but you won’t hear Trinitarians talk much about the Holy Spirit. Can you please cover this phenomenon? I wish I was able to word this request better, but I can’t find the words. I just find it so unusual how they’ll argue all day long that Jesus is God but won’t try and explain why there is so little evidence for the Holy Spirit being God. Thanks!
I am not sure most even know. the holy spirit is God's operational life force , it can be measured, is quantified, wind, fire, a force etc. It is who God is and NOT separate from him. It definitely is NOT a person!
. Failing to understand that “the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets,” and instead being taught to be “controlled” by the Holy Spirit, many become influenced by demons, even while thinking that they are being “led by the spirit” of God.
. Many are not walking in the power of the spirit because they are waiting for a “person” to move them, while God is waiting for them to utilize by faith that which they have already been given.
God is said to have a throne (1 Kings 22:19; Dan. 7:9), inhabit heaven as His dwelling place (1 Kings 8:30,39,43 and 49), and yet “heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain” Him (1 Kings 8:27). So how can He be said to have a throne and a dwelling place and yet be uncontainable? Psalm 139:7 indicates that God’s spirit and His presence can be equivalent terms. God is therefore omnipresent by His “spirit,” which is not a separate “person.” This presence can also be extended by His personal ministers and agents, whether Christ, angels, or believers. None of these is a separate person who is also “God” in some multi-personal Godhead, but rather empowered agents who are equipped to do the will of God.
. Exodus 23:20-22 mentions the angel of God’s presence that would go before Israel in the wilderness. God has permitted angels to speak as if they were God Himself, and even to use His personal name, Yahweh. A few examples of this principle are Manoah and his wife (Judg. 13:21 and 22), Jacob wrestling (Gen. 32:24-30; Hosea 12:3-5), Moses (Exod. 3:2-4, 6 and 16) and Gideon (Judg. 6:12, 13, 16 and 22).
What is sometimes attributed to Jesus or to “the Holy Spirit” in the Old Testament is better explained by this principle of God manifesting Himself by means of an angelic messenger who speaks for Him in the first person (“I the Lord,” etc.) and manifests His glory.
Although the Hebrew word for “spirit” (ruach), can refer to angels or evil spirits, which are persons or entities with a personality, the Hebrew usage of “the spirit of God” never refers to a person separate from, but a part of, God Almighty. Neither does the phrase, “the spirits of God” occur, which would refer to separate spiritual entities within a multipersonal God.
Revelation 1:4 refers to the “seven spirits” before the throne of God. Are these seven “Holy Spirits,” or sentient entities, within the “Godhead”? The context provides the answer: they are the seven lamps of fire burning before the throne (4:5 - NRSV) and the seven horns and seven eyes of the slain Lamb (5:6). These are likely the same “spirits” mentioned in Isaiah 11:2 in connection with the Messiah: the spirit of the Lord, the Spirit of wisdom, the spirit of understanding, the spirit of counsel, the spirit of might, the spirit of knowledge and the spirit of the fear of the Lord. These “spirits” are undoubtedly symbols of the intense power of insight and judgment with which the Lamb [ Jesus]will judge and reign over the earth during the Millennium...
The verse the Word was God clearly says that Jesus is God or at least was God or use to be God. Because in verse 14 it says the Word became flesh.
So Jesus while he was here on Earth he left his divine being as God to become human. He is God in the flesh. Meaning God became human.
I'm partially curious, what happened to the other host, the older gentleman? Is he ok?
Yes, he is doing great, he just has other tasks he is focusing on, like translating the REV. This is his primary task lately. Check it out: www.revisedenglishversion.com/
They are working to make this unbiblical doctrine more attractive to the younger crowds. What they are teaching here is completely unbiblical.
I just found that website before I saw this link.
What a task!
If possible, could you ask him why he thinks John used "arché" for "ruler" in rev3:14 when 2 chapters prior he used "archón" for "ruler", Rev1:5.
I just wonder if he had considered that when he chose "ruler" (arché) over "beginning" (arché) of the creation of God".
Or don't, just wondering.
Nice explanation
This is exactly what I’ve been learning with JWs for over a decade.
The NWT renders John 1:1 “ The word was with god, and the word was a god.
The word cannot be with god and be god while being one god…
The trinity is incoherent and has pegan origins.
Trinity is wrong, but Jesus is still def God. You'd have bitheism if you believe that Jesus is just a demigod. Obviously Jesus received worship, and was even called God by Thomas, and He is the one that is sitting on the throne. Even the translation of the JW attest to this: Revelation 22:3-4 3 And there will no longer be any curse. But the throne of God and of the Lamb+ will be in the city, and his slaves will offer him sacred service; 4 and they will see his face,+ and his name will be on their foreheads.
It's only one name, one throne, and one face. Jesus is the express image of God, and that's who you'll see on the throne.
JW is a Unitarian faith we believe Jesus is the son of God and there is only One God and that God is Jehovah and Jesus was born of a virgin and he existed in heaven prior to his birth as a mighty spirit creature…. A divine being , a mighty God or like god but not THE ALMIGHTY GOD.
Even Satan is called the GOD of this system of things and the ruler of the authority of the air so it’s appropriate to refer to Jesus as a mighty god or being god like or divine.
let’s see what the scriptures say about Jesus being God or not I think it’s worth meditating on these.
Revelation 3:12 - “The one who conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name”
This is Jesus Speaking and he says to the one who conquers that he will write the name of his God on them and the name of the city of his god and his new name. So Jesus not only says that he has a god but he also makes a distinction between his name and gods name.
Revelation 14:1 - Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.
The Lamb undoubtedly is Jesus …. Here the Scripture says the 144,000 standing with the Lamb on mount Zion have Jesus name and the name of his father written in their foreheads… so you said there’s only one name ? Here and in Revelation 3:12 a distinction is made between Gods name and Jesus name … they are two names and two separate persons.
Revelations 1:1 “ A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John”
Who gave John the revelation ? Jesus Did..
Who gave Jesus the revelation ? God did.
So how is Jesus God when it’s God who gives Jesus the revelation ? And you can’t use the Trinity as an argument bc you just denied the Trinity as false which it is.
Revelation 1:4-6 John to the seven congregations that are in the province of Asia: May you have undeserved kindness and peace from “the One who is and who was and who is coming,” and from the seven spirits that are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth…. and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father-yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen”
Here John says “ may you have underserved kindness from the one who was and the one who is coming….. AND Jesus Christ “ so clearly two people are being described here first is Jehovah the one who was and is coming and then it mentions Jesus second so very clearly two separate beings. And then he says that Jesus made us to be a kingdom of priests to HIS GOD and Father…. Again Jesus here is described a having a God which is the father who is the ALMIGHTY.
John 17:3 “ This means everlasting life their coming to know you the one true God , and the one whom you sent Jesus Christ”
One of the most basic fundamentals Christian scriptures …. Here it says that everlasting life comes from knowing the one true God AND Jesus Christ…. So here the identity of the one true god and Jesus are being described as separate and distinct … of Jesus where the one true God there would be no reason to obscure the text it’s just very clear that here Jesus is not the one true god for it even says the one true god sent him in the very verse…. So anyone with a rational mind could not conclude here Jesus is being called god.
1 Corinthians 8:6 “ For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him”
Here again a distinction is made between Jehovah and Jesus … here Paul says there is only one God who is the FATHER … are Jesus and the Father the same person or is there any equality between them ? Absolutely not because according to Jesus in John 14:28 says “ THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I AM” so if God is the father and Jesus is not the father and the father is greater then Jesus the rational conclusion is that Jesus cannot be God.
John 20:17 - Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’
This is the 4th scriptures I’ve shared where Jesus says he has a God…. He said I am ascending to MY GOD…. Again he said MY GOD and YOUR GOD !!! so where is there any room for Jesus being God here is God is saying that he’s ascending to his GOD ? That would be a contradictory and you don’t believe in the Trinity so you can’t use that as a counter.
Phillipians 3:9 “ For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name”
Here Paul says that GOD exalted Jesus to a superior position in heaven… so God promoted himself to a superior position ? Please explain the coherent logic behind that….. God is always and has always been God the almighty for all eternity , almighty God can’t be exalted to a superior position that makes ZERO sense. So clearly Jesus is not God and it’s God himself who exalts Jesus.
Matthew 24:36 - Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.
Again let’s use our reasoning …. Jesus is the Son …. You said the Son is God …. God is all knowing …. But here it says The Son does not know the day and the hour but only the Father does…. And we’ve already established that Jesus is not the father and the father is greater than he is…… so Jesus is God but he doesn’t know the day and the hour but only his father does whom he said is greater than him ? Again you can’t counter this with Jesus is the father because even the Trinity denies that so now the rhetoric really starts to fall apart.
Matthew 15:16-17 He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did.
So here Jesus asks his disciples who they think he is and Peter answers “ you are the Christ the Son Of the living God” and then Jesus congratulates him because the father in heavens has revealed it to him….. again Jesus says the father is greater than he is and Jesus is not the father according to the Trinity and also according to Unitarian beliefs so clearly it’s ALMIGHTY God the father that revealed this to Peter not Jesus or the Son.
Matthew 27:46 “About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
This is the 5th scripture I’ve shared where Jesus again uses the term MY GOD…. Why would the Almighty God be calling out to himself and asking himself why he forsook himself and to remove this cup from himself ?
John 5:26,27 “ For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man”
Here John says that Jesus was granted to have life within himself and given authority to do the judging by God the father… so again Jesus is not the father , the father is greater then him, the father grants and gives Jesus authority… so the logical question would be how can anyone give God any authority or life when he is Almighty and eternal…. He already has and possesses all of the power and to think that god the almighty would have to be granted or given any type of authority would indicate that he didn’t have that authority to begin with if it had to be given and granted to him…. Are you seeing where that is a problem ? Clearly Jesus is granted and given authority because is is subordinate to God.
Colossians 1:15 “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation”
Jesus is described as the first born of all creation … was god created ? No he was not he is eternal… so Jesus cannot be God and before you say this a mistranslation we can also consider Revelations 14:3 which says “To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God” here Jesus is described again as being the beginning of the creation by God.
I would like to share more scriptures but I’ve already given more than enough for you to do a deep dive and prayerfully digest these and reason…. You see when it comes to doctrinal matters it’s a very sensitive topic and we can’t look at a few isolated scriptures while blatantly ignoring the plethora of contradictory verses that disprove that doctrine and I prefer looking at what the entire Bible says as a whole …
If one verse seems to say Jesus is God well what about the other 20 or more verses that disapprove that ? In order to come to a consensus you must make a complete examination not a partial one.
“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation” Colossians 1:15
John 8:58 “Before Abraham was I am”
John 14:9 “…Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father…”
John 5:18 “For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.”
What is the context of Colosians? Its the NEW creation, the church led by the man raised, not by angels. Jesus creates all in that new creation, the church because he Jesus IS THE HEAD of the body, the church, the new creation. You have miss used that holy hand grenade anthony.
What are you smoking?@@ken440
Jesus is High Priest to the CHURCH and not God@@ken440
@@debraannmartinez7157 ha ha, can you not see that Colossians is about Jesus being the head of the body, the church??
What do you think its about?
Even my MacArthur study bible tells me its about proving that angels are not to be worshipped because Jesus is the head and is the one who sets up and orders things in the church.
If Jesus is the image of God then he is definitely Not God! Jesus was before Abraham in the mind and plan of God, God sees things that are not as though they were. Was Jesus crucified before the foundation of the world??? Does calling yourself equal to your mother or father make you equal to them?? Jesus NEVER claimed equality with God the Father. PLEAES STOP WITH THE LAME "I AMs!"You have only proved how theologically ignorant you are of Scriptures, Stop listening to others and do your own research. And believe God and Jesus when they tell you WHO they are. Don't you think they would know???
Satan hates the thought that Jesus is worshiped and putting faith in Him will give u eternal life.
THATS WHY THIS WILL ALWAYS BE DEBATED TILL JESUS RETURNS AND THOSE DENYING HIM WILL BE VERY SAD.
Jesus is God. Here's why.
John 10:30 - "I and the Father are one."
Philippians 2:5-6 - "Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped."
John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Colossians 2:9 - "For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily."
Hebrews 1:8 - "But of the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.'"
John 20:28 - "Thomas answered him, 'My Lord and my God!'"
Titus 2:13 - "Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ."
Revelation 1:8 - "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Revelation 1.18 I am the Living One; I was dead and now look, I am alive for ever and ever!
The eternal God was "dead" ?
@@Somedude2020 It is refering to Jesus
@@ventin75 that's a relief, for a minute there I thought it was referring to God
me and my wife are one, in flesh according to the bible, yet we are not the same being. (also in purpose in bring up the kids) And who DID grasp at equality with God? well that ol devil, and the disobedient Adam, but Jesus (last Adam) did NOT grasp at being equal, but went instead to the cross. Obediently, the context of phil2:5-6.
Well, God didn't die with JESUS.. Because he doesn't have any human form to do so!
I was raised being taught that jesus was not god. Never made sense to me. I actually started studying the bible and learn3d that jesus is god. That makes sense. The sacrifice makes sense.
Doesn't the sacrifice only make sense if Jesus IS NOT God Almighty?
When he speaks of giving his life as a ransom in matt20:28... who was the ransom paid to?
Who accepted the value of his sacrifice? Heb9:14 says Jesus "offered himself without blemish to God"...
How does this work if Jesus IS God?
@FrankLee-gq8yc If Jesus is not God, the sacrifice means nothing. It just means God gave us some dude to put up on a cross. The fact that God HIMSELF humbled Himself and became a human to suffer with us, let us nail Him to a cross and spit on Him. That's meaningful. It means God really does love us.
@@MrSamdabeastIt definitely wasn't just "some dude"... have a think about Joh3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
God sent his only beggoten Son.
Which is so heavy.
And the reason is exactly as you said...he loved us that much.
You raised Phil2, which is an epic passage.. he was in the form of God, left that, came to earth, died, was raised and then... God exulted him higher than he was before coming to earth. To a superior position.
" God raised him supremely high and granted him the name above every name"... who gave Jesus his new name?
And every knee should bend before Christ, "to the glory of.....?" Verse10 and 11 tell us.
@FrankLee-gq8yc I would encourage you to watch "Mike Winger's" video on the trinity. He pulls straight from scripture. There is too much scripture that contradicts your belief.
@MrSamdabeast yeah I've watched a few. I find them super frustrating to be honest. He reads everything from a preconceived place of his belief in a triune god. I've asked him questions but of course haven't heard back as I'm sure 10's of 1000's ask him questions!
The best thing to do is read the bible with an open mind asking for God's direction.
Anyone making money off "teaching" the bible is in a bad starting place i reckon.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
Can you go more in depth on the "article" in the Greek? Thank you for your work.
The definite article ("the") would much more strongly, if not definitively, indicate that you are making a direct and literal ontological connection.
Example: The word was "the" God.
- in this sentence, in Greek, you would be saying, literally, the word was the same person and thing as God because you specify with "the".
However without the definite article -->
Example: The word was God
- Without the definite article, in Greek, it is more likely a comparison of like attributes or qualities is being Madd. This would mean something like the word was "like" God, or as the ESV puts it "What God was the word was".
It's like if i said Suzy was like her Mother. Similar personality, similar looks, similar habits etc, but they were not literally the same person.
As a fact of grammar of the Greek language it is entirely significant and cause for eyebrow raise that John deliberately did not use the definite article which he easily could have and there would have been no debate as to what he meant.
To be honest, beyond this simple grammatical matter, the concept of "God's word" (and by extension his "wisdom", his "plans", his "glory", his "self expression) in its 1st century Jewish context has a higher relevance to this discussion.
God's word was an established concept in the time of John in Jewish thought (Logos was also an established concept in hellenistic thought as well, whether diaspora Jews or Gentile Greek).
Don'tConvert2Islam did a good video on the article titled, "Is Jesus God? John 1:1"
Where is the Holy Spirit in John 1 :1 ? This verse cannot be used as proof of a Trinity.
Some translations render verse 18 as "only begotten god" which is found in the oldest manuscripts. A God who is begotten is not equal to a God who is unbegotten.
@Bible-Christian : You would not expect a Trinitarian to say anything else and at least McArthur has the decency to admit that the Trinity doctrine is not explicitly stated in any verse. Think of the import of this admission. Of the thousands of verses in the Bible, there is not a single verse that affirms God exists as three 'persons'. Indeed, the opposite is true : There are hundreds of verses that differentiate between God and Jesus. McArthur, like most Trinitarians, anachronistically read their presupposition into the biblical text rather than derive their views from the text.
McArthur concedes that the reading 'only -begotten god' is found in the oldest manuscripts and fails to mention that the logos theologians of the second century and beyomd did indeed view the logos as a secondary, lesser God than the Father.
Are we seriously going to argue that begotten is only metaphorical? Is God not the father of Jesus? Did he really have a human father? Trinitarians are in the habit of replacing only -begotten with the unscriptural eternally generated . What verses state that the Son was eternally generated? None!" As regards the book of Hebrews, it affirms that Jesus is the unique son of God. He is the very image of God(This is an admission that he is one other than God. ) Others are called 'God'in thre bible, but we all understand that they are God in a representational sense, not literally.
How anyone can claim that an only -begotten God is equal to an unbegotten God is beyond me. How can one who died and had to be resurrected be equal to God Almighty? The purpose of the gospel was not to argue that Jesus was 'God' but as v 31 shows , to affirm that he was the promised Christ,. the Son of God. Historically and theologically, this makes him one other than God.
One can believe in a pre-=existing Son of God. Indeed, this idea makes perfect sense with reference to John 1 :1. However, a Son, an only -begotten Son , is just that, one who has been begotten/ birthed/ created.
This one can be with God in the beginning of man's creation and can be 'divine' or even a god. H e can be WITH God, but is not God Almighty.
Jesus himself stated that he had a God. The resutrrected Jesus had a God. O(John 20 :17). The glorified Jesus in heaven itself still had a God.(Rev 3 :12). From the opening verse of Revelation, Jesus is one other than God.
McArthur and others can talk about divine nature; essence. substrance etc all they like. However, this is not the language of scrirpture, but the language of platonism and this tells you everything you need to know.
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq Not true. Hebrews 1:3 speaks of Christ (who is the Word of God in John 1:1 and 1:18) testifying He is the exact imprint/substance/nature of God the Father, the unbegotten One.
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq Hebrews 1:3 Strong's number 5287. hupostasis.
@@msparkison : Notive how Heb 1 :3 is rendered :
"who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person..."(KJV)
"who being the effulgence of his glory and the very image of his substance..."(ASV)
"who being beam of his essence, and actuating allthings by his word of power..."(Byington)
"who being an eradiated brightness of his glory and an exact representation of his very being..." (Rotherham)
In all of these, the Son is described as a reflection , an image. An image is just that : It is a representation. It is NOT the real thing.
I fully agree that the Son is an image of God, a perfect representatiom (Col1:15). But he is one other than the Almighty God. He is the Son of God. He is the messiah/Christ. He is the 'Anointed One'. He is the messianic King. He is the supreme agent , the one who accomplished the will of his God.(Rev 3 :12)
And if Jesus is he Word in John 1 :1, who is the God that he is with ? Is it the Father? The Son cannot be the Father. Is it the triune God? Th Son is not the triune God. However, if Jesus is the Son of God, then he certainly can be with his heavenly Father and God and have divine qualities.
Excellent. Another issue, for me at least, is which beginning : of the creation or of the gospel?
We are currently working on our commentary on John 1 in the REV and will update it fairly soon. We answer that question. Keep an eye out! www.revisedenglishversion.com/John/1/1
@@biblicalunitarian eargely waiting, am blessed with the REV and the commentary... GOD bless you really good.
Do you even know what the gospel is?
@@MichaelTheophilus906 Unitarians have more of a problem than claiming that Jesus Christ isn’t part of the Godhead [Read Colossians 2:9].
They also have a problem with sin. Since the Fall, there is enmity between God and mankind. And everybody sins:
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Being justified freely by his grace [unmerited favor] through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed. Romans, a 3:23-25
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us 1john 1:8
And again:
For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures 1Corinthians 15:3-5
The blood of Jesus Christ has the power to atone for and cover all the sins:
Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 1 Peter 1:18-19
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. Revelation 1:5
This one verse summarizes the Gospel of Jesus Christ:
In Him [meaning Jesus] we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace Ephesians 1:7
Everyone must stand before the Judgement seat of Christ where Christ will ask what justifies you to stand before Him. This had best be your answer:
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. Romans 5:9
Point number (3) I meant Exodus 20: 5 Thou shall not bow to other gods, but if you read Philippians 2:11 Every knee should bow and every tongue confess tha Jesus is Lord. I am sorry fingure problem.
John : 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Jesus Is Equal with God
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath,
but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
The Authority of the Son
Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Colossians 1:15-20 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
The Rider on a White Horse Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Excellent expounding of the text. What is amazing, as you pointed out, and that is so prevalent in all trinitarian tenets, is that it just doesn't logically work in trinitarian terms. It's not like to say that yours is a better explanation than the god-man theory, but rather that the trinitarian view is not even a viable exegesis.
Why do the trinitarians keep the blinders on, and do it so tenaciously - Nicaea destroyed the Church.
When jesus is being crucified if he was God WHY would he pray to himself and say "Father forgive tem they know not what they do" or john 3 16 For god so loved the world that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SONthat whoso ever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.John 3 verse 17,18. John 5 39 John 8 verse 28, 29
They certainly did, and the blind sheep have been following so meekley - no questions asked. What a shame. Truth is, they all want to follow the herd, to be accepted and not make waves even though they know the Trinity don't make sense they accept it anyway.
Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased (WITH HIS OWN BLOOD)
How did God purchase the church? With his own blood.
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Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, (I AM THE LORD) that maketh (ALL THINGS); that stretched forth the heavens (ALONE); that spreadeth forth the earth by myself.
God created everything Alone.
Colossians 1:16
For by him all things are created, that are in heaven, and that are in the earth, visible and invisible, weather they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: (ALL THINGS) were created (BY HIM), and for him:
So how in Isaiah God created all things, but in Colossians Jesus created all things? Because Jesus is part of the Trinity.
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John 8:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself (EQUAL) with God.
Notice the context, that it is the author that agrees with the Jews, that Jesus is equal with the Father.
John 5:23
That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which hath sent him.
Honor the Son even as we honor the Father? How do we honor the Father? We worship him.
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Begotten doesn’t always mean created in the Bible.
Example
Hebrews 11:17
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only BEGOTTEN son,
Was Isaac Abraham’s only son? No, because he also had Ishmael. So how is this possible?
The word that translates to begotten (monogenes) means unique. So Jesus is the only UNIQUE son of God.
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And there is plenty more arguments that show that Jesus is God along with the Father and Holy Ghost.
@@homielifesaver2332 There's no such thing as a god-man. God did not sacrifice Himself, to Himself. God cannot die. God cannot live a perfect by obeying and loving Himself. It is the quintessence of redundancy to have two all powerful persons within the universe, let alone three - one is not in need of the others.
Nowhere in the Bible do the following words exist: god-the-son, god-the-holy-spirit, god-man, three-in-one, two-in one, hypostatic union, eternal generation, incarnation, trinity, triune, etc....
God is called the Father over 100 times in the New Testament, and never the son or the spirit.
Although only begotten may not always mean conceived, you haven't proven that it doesn't mean so in regard to Jesus - because it does.
Just because the Jews thought that Jesus was making himself equal to God, obviously doesn't mean that he was - he wasn't, for he stated countless times that he can do nothing without the Father.
Jesus did not create anything - it doesn't take two omnipotent persons to create the universe - one is more than enough.
Your trinitarian doctrine is nothing more than diabolical nonsense, from start unto finish.
@@dboulos7
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, (THE MIGHTY GOD), the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.
So the child is the MIGHTY GOD?
You haven’t proven that begotten does mean created in Jesus’s case either.
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Jesus left his glory behind in heaven with the Father when he took on flesh (John 17:5)
In (Philippians 2:6-8) shows that even though Jesus is equal to God, he wouldn’t use it to his advantage, Because he had to beat sin with the same weaknesses as a human would. And that is why Jesus said he couldn’t do anything on his own, and why he said the Father was greater than himself. Because he left his glory in heaven and took on the role of a servant.
Jesus didn’t create anything?
(Colossians 1:15-16)
(John 1:1-3)
(Hebrews 1:8-10) also God calls Jesus God in these verses.
What do you guys think about the rest of the chapter? For example John saying we met God because of the son.
You might be thinking of John 14:9 "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father" but if you look at his reasoning in the very next verse, it's not because he is the Father, but because the Father is "in" him. In other words, the Father can be seen in Jesus, Jesus exemplifies the Father, not that Jesus is the Father. Jesus revealed God to the world, not himself to the world (John 17:26).
Good thoughts/ thank you. What translation are you reading from?
Thanks! The REV, it is the Bible Translation produced by Spirit & Truth, Check it out here: www.revisedenglishversion.com/
@@biblicalunitarian thanks again
@@biblicalunitarian
Exodus 13:21
And the (Lord=Jesus) went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night.
So Jesus was in the cloud right?
1 Corinthians 10:1-4
1. Moreover, brethren, I would that not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and passed through the sea.
2. And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
3. And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4. And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual (ROCK THAT FOLLOWED THEM): and (THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST)
These verses are speaking about the same event, and one says that Yahweh was in the cloud, and the other says that it is Jesus.
Yahweh is the Trinity, and the Trinity is God.
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Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh (ALL THINGS); that stretched forth the heavens (ALONE); that spreadeth abroad the earth (BY MYSELF);
So God created everything alone right?
Colossians 1:15-16
15. Who is the image of the invisible God, firstborn of every creature:
16. For by him all things were created, that are in heaven, and that are in the earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: (ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM), and for him.
So God created everything alone in Isaiah, and in Colossians it says that Jesus created everything.
You have the wrong Jesus, because Jesus is God, and if you deny Jesus before men, then Jesus will deny you before the Father.
@@biblicalunitarianFunny how 99% of John 1:1 arguments and commentaries never even mention John 1:2(two)......! In my opinion the one's who transliterated these scriptures were either confused and or uncertain. I'm sure John wrote this in Aramaic/Hebrew and he knew exactly what he was saying/writing.....contrary to the Greeco-Roman scholars who re-wrote the scriptures. If the phrase "the Word was God" was so authentic and absolute.....WHY MENTION THE PHRASE "THE WORD WAS WITH GOD" AGAIN???????
I'm further convinced according to Hebrews 1......that Yahushua was an Angel. Look also the scriptures in Genesis at Adams creation were it says "Let US create man in OUR image".....! Who's the "US" and "OURS"......! TECHNICALLY then, since YHVH(GOD), Yahushua, and all the Angels are invisible and Spirit "being's" with very similar characteristics........That makes GOD an Angel too!........Then Most High God(Angel)
@@biblicalunitarianGod is the Head of Messiah.....Messiah is the Head of Man.....Man is Head of woman......!
If the trinity is correct, then it does make sense that the Word (second person) was both God and with God. I am learning Greek and not an expert, but in the phrase in verse 1b, both God (theos) and the Word (logos) are in the nominative case and so both are subjects. Apparently, in this Greek device the latter is read first (the Word) and the former (God) is read last. The definite article is implied in this grammar rule.
jesus prayed to god how can jesus pray to himself it don’t make sense !!
« His not God because he doesn’t act the way I should »
@@swenpark8598 what do u mean act the way i should? what do u mean by this?
@@ms-ex8em If something doesn't make sense in your mind, it doesn't necessarily means that it doesn't make sense for the entire world. Jesus was sent to Earth not only as God incarnate but also as the perfect model for humanity. As a man, Jesus demonstrated how each person should live their life, including the practice of prayer. Jesus prayed to God the Father to show humans the importance of prayer in their relationship with God. By praying, he illustrated the humility, dependence, and obedience that every person should have toward God. Jesus' prayer is not a sign of his lack of divinity, but rather a demonstration of his role as a guide and example for all believers.
@@swenpark8598 ok i understand this but still we CANNOT attribute these qualities to god i mean things like he became a man etc i dont believe in it all nope i just dont buy it
@@ms-ex8em Okay no problem I totally respect your opinion, you are free to decide your future and your way. But you cannot deny something when you have so much evidence to prove it's true, and even if it doesn't make sense to you, it doesn't mean that it's necessary false. I think you should look at more in detail the life and purpose of Jesus, it will surely help you like it did to me to understand. Have a great day man!
This is how the New world translation of the holy scriptures used by Jehovah witnesses outs the verse... "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in the beginning with God..."
The ultimate prove, that Jesus is god:
Isaiah 44: 6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; 👉I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Revelation 1: 17
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; 👉I am the first and the last:
I am he that liveth,👉 and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Jesus is god!
In Isa 44:6, it is VERY CLEAR that LORD (Yehovah - look it up!) is the First "GOD", and Last "GOD".
But what about Rev 1:17?
Look Closer...
First and Last WHAT?
certainly NOT "First GOD and Last GOD"!!!!
God is ETERNAL and IMMORTAL!
GOD Cannot DIE!
Rev 1:17 is speaking of a MORTAL being that "WAS DEAD" !!!
In FACT, Rev 1:17 is Consistent with the many verses that say Jesus DIED, and also Consistent with these:
Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the FIRSTBORN of The DEAD,...
Col 1:18 He (Jesus) is the head of the body, the assembly, who is THE BEGINNING, THE FIRST BORN FROM THE DEAD; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
1Cor 15:45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The LAST ADAM became a life-giving spirit.
So, there it is..
Jesus was the FIRST MAN to be Resurrected from DEATH and GIVEN Everlasting Life.
And Jesus was the LAST Adam.
Again, Rev 1:17 is NOT saying that GOD WAS DEAD, now is it?
I pray you begin to SEE what Scripture actually teaches, not what some man behind a pulpit teaches.
@@FoundationalBibleTruths
In Revelation 1: 17 Jesus is refering to Isaiah.
John 1:49
Nathanael answered Him, “Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel.
Who is the King of Israel in Isaiah 44: 6?
@Name00520 Cudos for quoting the whole of Rev1:17 AND 18.. most stop at 'I am the first and the last".
When you typed out "I was dead", did that make you pause for a moment?
If God Almighty said those words he, by definition would not be eternal.
Ps90:2 " from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" it doesn't say "apart from that time you died"
@@FrankLee-gq8yc "i was dead" is the prove that Jesus is talking there. Why would he claim to be "the first and the last" which is obviously only God or the King of Israel (Isaiah 44: 6) wich is allso only God.
@Name00520 He's qualifying what he is "first and last of" in relating it to his death.
He was dead, and he was the first to "acend to the heavens" (joh3:13) after being resurrected by his Father (Act5:30).
He was also the last to be resurrected this way... as he says: "I have the keys to the grave".
He has been given the privilege of all future ressurections. That why it's Jesus voice all hear in jo5:28,29.
The title "tte first and the last" are the same words referring to different aspects of first and last.
Titles can be shared and mean different things... thinknof "king of kings"... who is that? Jesus right?
And also Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon (Dan2:37)
Paul was Saul.
If I was a Jew writing or reading John 1:1, knowing the Old Testament repeatedly says “the Word came to ___”, I would read John 1:1 seeing that John isn’t separating the Word from God. Instead, I’d see John gathering my understanding of the Word to the person of God. Something like “with God because he was God”.
John is connecting not separating here.
No, it is written this way in Greek to affirm that what God is in substance/essence, so is the WORD (Christ Jesus) - the meaning is clear: GOD.
Christ on a White Horse
Revelation 19:11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.
You are just you, the average Joe in 2024, just that!
@@timothytmusgrove you said no.. but than said what said just in different words lol.
“What God is so is the Word”…
@@AndyAyala- To be more precise, John wrote it this way to refute any misunderstandings about the ONENESS of GOD. This is because some heresies were beginning to be taught like modalism and Tritheism.
So the catechism of the Catholic Church properly defines Christ Jesus revelation as follows:
253. "The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the 'consubstantial Trinity'. [Council of Constantinople II (553): DS 421.] The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: 'The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God.' [Council of Toledo XI (675): DS 530:26.] In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), 'Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature.' [Lateran Council IV (1215): DS 804.]"
254. "The divine persons are really distinct from one another. 'God is one but not solitary.' [Fides Damasi: DS 71.] 'Father', 'Son', 'Holy Spirit' are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: 'He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son.' [Council of Toledo XI (675): DS 530:25.] They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: 'It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds.' [Lateran Council IV (1215): DS 804.] The divine Unity is Triune."
255. "The divine persons are relative to one another. Because it does not divide the divine unity, the real distinction of the persons from one another resides solely in the relationships which relate them to one another: 'In the relational names of the persons the Father is related to the Son, the Son to the Father, and the Holy Spirit to both. While they are called three persons in view of their relations, we believe in one nature or substance.' [Council of Toledo XI (675): DS 528.] Indeed 'everything (in them) is one where there is no opposition of relationship.' [Council of Florence (1442): DS 1330.] 'Because of that unity the Father is wholly in the Son and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Son is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Son.' [Council of Florence (1442): DS 1331.]"
Yes, I agree with your statement, I was just trying to clarify The SON OF GOD (the WORD made flesh) is fully human, fully divine: One Divine Person of Jesus Christ.
I apologize if I failed to make myself clear.
Peace Be With You
@@AndyAyala- Do you believe in the Trinity?
The Father is God.
Jesus, the Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
God is one.
I say, amen, Lord.
Man has no right to contradict the way God make Himself known in the Bible.
God is Spirit. God is Eternal. God's Way is not human's way. God is the Creator. God is Holy.
Man is a finite, created being who is sinful in his ways in this material created world. There's no way man could cage the Holy God with words and ideas like Unitary or Trinity; just so he could make sense in his head the divine Godhead with his natural experience. God is simply God the way He says so in His Word. Humans can't limit His ways! Humans can't contradict God!
Amen!
Philo of Alexander speaks in the same manner as John and like John he talks of the Word. Philo, being a Jew like John, is a strict monotheist and he doesn't mean the word is the deity God. Both John and Philo are speaking to the same audience in a way that audience comprehends.
Philo was a binitarian and believed the Word is the second person of God, he did believe the Word is the creating deity.
@@hjc1402 I hadn't heard that claim. What I heard was a Jew. Thanks for the information.
@@kerwinbrown4180 oh okay, binitarians hold a belief about the person of God- they believe there are two divine persons of the one God YHWH, like how Unitarians believe there is one divine person and trinitarians believe there are three divine persons. You can look up about “the two powers in heaven”. This was a theological sect of Judaism. Many Jews up until the time of Jesus were binitarians. Some tried to identify who this second person of YHWH was like Philo who identified him as the Word (or logos) of God. And then of course Christians identify that Word to be Jesus. What makes this different than trinitarians is that we also identify the Holy Spirit as a divine person of the one God YHWH. I personally am not sure if binitarians considered the Holy Spirit to not be a separate person from the Father or if he was not considered divine as being why they were binitarians rather than trinitarians.
The "word" is defined as the wisdom of God and the power of God. The word is not a person. But was personified in the gospels when speaking thru the prophet John.
The Word is a Person. His name is Jesus. He was in the beginning with God before the world was created.
@@christinefarrall9391So was Jesus always with the father from eternity making him also eternal?
@@Somedude2020No. In being called “the only-begotten,” it is clear that he had a beginning. Only the Father is eternal in the absolute sense, without beginning or end, being uncreated. Jesus, being a creation, had a beginning. He is eternal in the sense that he does not have an end. Some linguists call this sempiternal, which can be understood to mean having a beginning but not having an end.
@@chronic_daydreamer I agree totally, I was asking in the hope of getting around to revelation 1.18 where Jesus says clearly that he was dead, and NOW is alive for ever. Always interested to hear how trinitarians explain that one
@@chronic_daydreamer
Begotten in the verse that you are quoting means unique and not created.
Example
In (Hebrews 11:17) it says that Isaac is Abraham’s only begotten son, but we know that Abraham has another son Ishmael.
Begotten in these verses means unique not created.
You’d think if it was God that turned into man he would say things like I’ve come down from heaven. I am here in physical form. In short he would make it obvious just like he makes it obvious when he says I sent my “son”
My son may look like my husband but he is not my husband 🤷🏻♀️
Look at it from the trinitarian point of view. The Word = Jesus. God = the trinity. In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with the trinity, and Jesus was the trinity.
Doesn't that just make the point even further? Jesus is clearly not the trinity for trinitarians, the trinity = God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
I feel like we can't just read scripture and insert our own meaning. The trinity is not a concept found in scripture, so we can't say "Jesus is the trinity" and then say, oh well that means that Jesus is a part of the trinity.
That's now two steps outside of what's actually scriptural to try and make scripture make sense in a trinitarian doctrine.
I guess that's certainly one of my main problems with the Trinity that ended up setting me on a journey to study this in depth and eventually become a Biblical Unitarian.
The more you try to explain and describe the trinity, generally speaking, the further you get from actual scripture and actual scriptural language.
We have to end up saying things like "eternally begotten", "God the son", "Jesus had two natures", etc.
The more we try to rationalize the concept of the trinity, the further we get from any actual scriptural basis.
@@socketman Sorry. My comment is sarcasm.
Good one! 😆
so Jesus is three people with two natures and two wills
@@MichaelTheophilus906One human with two nature's ......the list goes on.
John 1:1-18 should be looked in a 3 segments, i.e John 1:1-5 (explaining what is the logos, that is the reveletions revealed by God to Prophets), John 1:5-13 (the coming of john the baptist), and john 1:14-18 (who the jesus was) . And essential to look up the Greek text.
The greek word Houtos in john 1:2 should be translated as "It or this", because the context is to explain what is the logos (the revelations to the prophets). For the same reason, he word autou in John 1:3 also should be read as " It or this". And so on.
So we have :
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 It (or the logos) was with God in the beginning. 3. Through it (the logos) all things were come about; without it (the logos) nothing was made that has been made. 4. In it (the logos) was life, and that life was the light of all mankind
Do not teach if you lack understanding. Pray for wisdom first.
The trinity is true. You can see it in the old testament and the new. John 1:1 is about the trinity and just because you don't understand how Jesus can be with God and is God at the same time, doesn't invalidate the trinity. Is it not fair to say that a human should not understand every aspect of God perfectly?
Nope, its you who are wrong!
@@ken440 Where's the scripture that supports your claim?
@@minamatta9732 Gen3:15. seed of the woman (Eve) a human therefore.
Deut18:18 "I will raise a great one from among you, and put My words in his mouth." obviously a Hebrew human.
Acts2.22-36 "a man ATTESTED BY GOD through miracles and signs.... raised..... made lord and anointed, this Jesus you crucified."
couple places in John Jesus says "I say nothing of myself but only what my God says through me." And thats reference back to deut18:18.
Paul says "he is the full manifestation of the God most high." and that word "manifestation" means God is manifesting through the man Jesus.
Matt, last chapter, Jesus appears and says "I have been GIVEN all power and authority in all heaven and earth." (see acts2:36)
And 1Tim2:5 "for there is ONE God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and man, the MAN Jesus anointed."
Theres lots more.
I agree with the Biblical Unitarian perspective on the Trinity and that the one true God is the Father, but as far as Trinitarians explaining John 1:1, they would just say the first "God" is God the Father, and the second "God" is God the Son who is Himself God (in their view). John's prologue, as you said, is the first place they go to support their belief.
What helped me the most with this was to determine whether John 1 is a reference to the Genesis 1 creation or not, and then to look at the creation account to see what the "word" could be in that account. It is abundantly obvious that it is simply God's speaking, i.e. "Let there be..." John says all things that came to be (greek: egeneto) came to be through the word, and that's exactly what happened in Genesis - all things that came to be (same greek word egeneto in the Septuagint), came to be through God's spoken word saying "let there be". Mankind is not described as "coming to be", but is described as being formed from the dust of the ground, and so did not come to be through the word.
There is no indication in Genesis that God's speaking is somehow also a divine person. It's just God's actual spoken word.
My personal perspective is that Jesus is the "light" spoken into being both in Genesis and in John (since the gospel says John the Baptist came to testify concerning the light, Greek: phos). The "light" spoken into being in Genesis 1:3 is also "phos" in the Septuagint, which is a different word for "light" used later on in Genesis 1:14 when God speaks the lights of the sky (what we all commonly understand as our physical light today) into being.
The two are not each other but share the same substance
LET US MAKE MAN ACCORDING TO OUR IMAGE OUR LIKENESS THERE YOU CAN SEE HE'S SPEAKING TO SOMEONE.
I think it matters whether "god" is being used as a name, title, position of authority, ontological category, or something else.
In those days it was always a title. The Romans, Greeks, Egyptians and so on had many many gods. God was always a title when this was written.
For Oneness believers, if Jesus is the Father, then that means God the Father turned his wrath away from those who repented and believed, and placed it on himself. Also, we would be brothers to God the Father, instead of sons and daughters
Please correct: the greek translation says: GOD WAS THE WORD and not: the word was God....why did you quote it wrongly?????
If God (YHWH) did appear unto Abram as a mere human being, eating human food, how and why couldn't He appeared once again unto Israel as a mere human, being YHWH in the flesh.
Jesus said Abram saw Him and He saw Abram. When was that, apart of Genesis 12? And who did Abram see in Genesis? YHWH, Jesus.
the thing is God did not appear to Abram, it was a plenipotentiary of Gods who appeared. God places Himself outside this worlds realm until the works of sin are destroyed. Read the beginning of your bible.
I didn't read only the beginning but the whole bible, and you're just reading your own toughts into the bible.
But my question is: if God didn't come in flesh as a mere human, but without sin, who could have saved us from our sins, since all of us, humans have sinned?
The problem is, often the word of God is so clear and simple, that we find it too simple or too clear. It's the same thing with salvation, 'believe and be saved', people don't accept it, 'cause they find too easy and try to add something to it. I don't know what you mean with 'plenipotentiary', trying to 'intellectualize' the biblical truth. But If you think God in his Almight,( i don't know if you understand what that means) is not able to take human form, no one can't force you to. But it only reminds me of the Pharisees who clearly recognized Jesus as God, but refused to accept it because of their pride.
@@geniepaf9364Hm, that’s an excellent point right there. Thank you for pointing that out.
There is a religion here and they call themselves by the acronym MCGI believe that Jesus is God because He is the son of God and secondly in John 1 said.. the word (Jesus) was with God, and the word (Jesus) was God.
John is Reittarating in the greek, the Beginning in Hebrew to Greek. In Beginning God Said let there be light, ( The Word was light the of the World) John is Calling Yehsua the Walking Torah, and the Light and the Way.
0:09 hebrews 1:8 but unto the Son He saith,
“Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Thy Kingdom.
God the father recognized Jesus as God
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If Hebrews 1:8 makes Jesus God, then it also makes Solomon God. It was originally spoken to an Israelite King in Psalm 45:6 who had a wife (Psa. 45:9). So it was not originally about Jesus, but later found a second fulfillment in Jesus.
@@biblicalunitarian The consensus of scholars is this Psalm does not apply to King Solomon because he was not a warrior King. The language is Messianic because a forever Kingdom will be established through the Messiah.
Well, THROUGH Christ Jesus (the WORD OF GOD) all things came into being.
John 1: 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
So the entirety of scripture will always point to HIM.
2 Timothy 3:10 Now you followed my teaching, conduct, purpose, faith, patience, love, perseverance, 11 persecutions, and sufferings, such as happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium and at Lystra; what persecutions I endured, and out of them all the Lord rescued me! 12 Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. 13 But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 𝟏𝟓 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝𝐡𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐬𝐝𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐚𝐥𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐟𝐚𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐢𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭 𝐉𝐞𝐬𝐮𝐬. 𝟏𝟔 𝐀𝐥𝐥 𝐒𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐩𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐲 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐟𝐢𝐭𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐞𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐫𝐞𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐨𝐟, 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧, 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐢𝐧 𝐫𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐞𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
Jeremiah 23:6 “In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell securely;
And this is His name by which He will be called,
‘The Lord our righteousness.’
Matthew 633 But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
A Jewish viewer here...What is your understanding of the crucifixion-is it an atonement, and how does it work? I ask this because trinitarians seems to believe atonement only works the right way if God himself, in all his perfection, is being sacrificed (another logical problem, of course). Do you guys see Jesus as "perfect" and in what sense?
Great question. I was taught that Jesus needed to be God to be a perfect sacrifice. That idea is found nowhere in the Bible, and in fact, the Bible says that Jesus had to "be like us in every respect...to make atonement" (Heb. 2:17). A God-man is not like us in every respect. Likewise, Paul makes the argument in Romans 5 that redemption came through the man Jesus (Rom. 5:15, 17) the Last Adam, who undid what the first Adam (man) messed up. Thus, he is making a parallel between two men. Also, 1 Tim. 2:5 is clear, a man (Jesus) is our mediator. So, biblically, Jesus needed to be a perfect man to be the atonement for our sins.
I see "perfect" as meaning "sinless" (1 Pet. 2:22; 2 Cor. 5:21). One can be perfect and not be God. Angels are sinless, that is non-fallen ones. And we will be without sin in the next life. Thus, you don't need to be God to be sinless.
@@biblicalunitarian and @KingoftheJuice18
Can I bring to your guys’ attention Psalm 49: 7, 15
“Truly no man can ransom another, or give to God the price of his life… But God will ransom my soul from the power of Sheol”
No man can ransom another man. Only God can ransom us. And Jesus said of himself in Matthew 20: 28
“the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
@biblicalunitarian I asked this before but maybe you didn’t see it: functionally, how do you believe a man can atone or pay for the sins of the whole world? How does that work? And in light of the psalm saying that a man cannot ransom another man, but that God will ransom men.
@@hjc1402 This isn't an issue for me as a Jew-God indeed is the one who redeems the living and the dead.
Why Trinitarian Doctrine (TD) is so difficult to be understood?
For it was born of Hellenistic philosophy (Alexandria), and developed in Roman paganism (Roman Kingdom); aka: of "Greco-Roman perspective" Sean Finnegan says.
Because it is based on the Bible and not on human logic.
Jehovah witnesses have been telling people the same thing about Jesus but a lot of people didn't want to listen to them.
Is this even an answerable questionable? If we were made in the image of God and Jesus, which part of us imitates Jesus and which part imitates God? Genesis 1:26, "let us make man in Our image according to Our likeliness".
What about when Genesis talks about in Genesis 1:26-27 "26 Then God said, 'Let *us* make human beings in *our* image, to be like *us*...' 27 So God created human beings in *his* own image. In the image of *God* he created them; male and female he created them."
Many Trinitarian scholars (I take this viewpoint as well) believe that God is talking to his divine council (of angels). Especially considering that in Genesis 1:27 which you cited a singular verb is used "he created them." So, God is one person not the three persons of the Trinity because the author should have used a plural verb.
Also, nowhere does this verse or Genesis 11:7 ("Let us go down") is God explicitly identified as 3. Someone could use this verse to argue that God is 6 persons just as much as you can use it to argue God is three persons.
@@biblicalunitarian I see your point of view because I just find it hard to believe when other verses in the bible directly contradict the view of a unitary God. For example do you deny what Paul writes in the book of Philippians when he says in chapter 2 verse 5-11? Paul states directly that he was (and is) God.
"5 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. 6 Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. 7 Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form, 8 he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal's death on a cross. 9 Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Philippians 2:5-11 NLT
@@biblicalunitarian I see your point of view, but I find it hard to believe considering what other verses in the bible say. I recommend you check philippians 2:5-11
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Unitarian are the Real followers of Jesus( pbuh)
@@WeLiveInside1 what is your Point?
Isaiah 9:6 (NIV). Prophecy about Jesus.
The crazy thing is, alot of the logic doesnt make sense until a formula of understanding is developed. Both sides can make sense. Saying god doesnt have the power to come down as himself in a human body with restricted power sounds crazy. Our puny brains know the fringes of his work and are limited to this dimension. His apostles even made some silly mistakes sometimes. How many denominations r there that have some of the wisest men, not everyone can be right on everything. Who knows? And does it matter?
The Father is God & the son is an anointed one & the set apart spirit is an anointed one.
John 10:30 I and the father are one
hope you enable Subtitle or Caption for those who are Deaf who want to know about the God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 29:18
On that day, the deaf will hear the words from a book, and out of gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind will see.
I guess you need to consider a few things when going down this path. The first is that if the Bible was logically understood by our human mind without the guidance of the Holy Spirit then what was the point of Jesus teaching in parables? The second is if I’m seeing most of Christianity seeing Jesus as deity and I’m thinking that doesn’t logically make sense is that a problem for me? Meaning there are a bunch of verses saying if you deny Christ then you have no salvation so I would be very careful to pray on this matter until you have a definitive answer from God don’t just go with what logically makes sense to you because the gospel is foolishness to those that are perishing.
God=Father and Word equals Son. Both are creators of all things. By your understanding there are two separate creators. If you dive deeper you will end up with two different Saviors, Alpha and Omegas, First and Last, Lights, and so on. Now your understanding aligns with what Muslims accuse trinitarians of when they say Christian’s believe in 3 gods. This is absolutely wrong.
I think he does give a pretty good job of explaining it.
Ok but how do get around Hebrews 1 ? God calling Jesus God and that he laid the foundations of the earth. How is "Before Abraham was, I AM" supposed to be taken ? I've got so many questions and I'm scared
Great questions, and there is no need to be scared. People who tell you that you could go to hell if you don't believe in the Trinity are using scare tactics. There is nowhere in the Bible that makes such a claim. As long as you believe that "Jesus is lord and that God raised him from the dead you will be saved." (Rom. 10:9) The thief on the cross also did not know that the man dying next to him was literally God, and Jesus rewarded his faith.
Jesus is not claiming to be God by saying "I am." please see this explanation of John 8:58 - www.biblicalunitarian.com/videos/john-8-58b
@@biblicalunitarian Thank you for this. You've gave me 2 links, I'll save them and read through them both.
I would say that Revelation 19:13 clarifies the identity of the Logos.
"And the word was God", quite simple really, hard to deny.
That is an English Translation, not what the Greek means, as I demonstrated in the video, and as some Trinitarian scholars admit. If you think the Word = God, who is God in the phrase the Word was with God? This would mean 'God was with God' in your view. Respectfully, This makes no sense.
@@biblicalunitarian I have looked up the Greek, the Greek does not say "a God", it says "God".
God was with God, of course, as both the Father and the Son are God, not a god each.
It is up to God what makes sense, not us.
@@biblicalunitarianyou appealed to Wallace but Greek scholars like Wallace and mounce actually make the exact opposite point than you. They point out that it is precisely the difference in the use of the article that makes the first instance of ton theon refer to the Father and the second instance of theos refer to God proper, the substance of God, the “what-ness” of God.
@hjc1402 yes, of course they come to different conclusions, because they are Trinitarians. I am saying that Philip Harner who did the study (and Wallace) who cited it, admit that when you remove the article it makes it qualitative. Now, how exactly you take the meaning of 'qualitative' likely depends on your theology. I take it to mean 'godly', or 'divine'. Wallace said he would prefer to translate it "divine" meaning something close to what you said.
I am truly not trying to misrepresent Wallace, but this is what you have to do in scholarship, you don't have to come to the exact same conclusions as every person you cite, but you can use portions of what they cite that you agree with to make an argument.
I have a genuine question because you seem to know your stuff. Do you agree that there is one God? And I suppose you do. How does Jesus (who is God in your view) have a God (John 20:17)? Does this not make two Gods?
@@biblicalunitarian I appreciate the kind demeanor. I’m going to respectively give you some pushback. It seems you’re reducing theos down to an adjectival value. You’re saying the Word is god-ly, or “god-like”. But that’s not what the Greek is saying. This is not being used as an adjective. The qualitative emphasis comes from theos being thrown to the front of the word order. Both nouns are nominatives here, affectively making the verb ēn an equal sign between the two nouns. This thing _is_ that thing. This thing _equals_ that thing. This thing _is_ (in fact) a one-to-one correspondence to that thing. Again, the qualitative emphasis is drawing attention to the what-ness of the noun, not the likeness. It is not pushing it to function as an adjective to say the Word is _like_ this thing. I’ll go ahead and point out that if John wanted to say the Word was god-ly or _like_ God, there was a word for that he could have used but didn’t, theios. That’s a very important point in this discussion. That’s the kind of difference between the trinitarians saying Jesus _is_ the _same_ substance as the Father (homoousios) and the Arians saying he is _like_ the substance of the Father (homoiousios). No, John uses theos to say that the what-ness of God _is_ the Word, and vice versa. That’s why the one translation is accurate. What God is the Word is. This is saying much much more than simply the Word is “godly” or like God- like this other thing that is God but not actually that thing God.
Now if this is how the text must be taken, which I think it is, you attempt to introduce a tension between 1: 1b and 1: 1c, asking how the Word can both be _with_ God and _be_ God. But truly, anyone who does not hold to trinitarianism is the one with this problem. The trinitarian is the only one who can and does hold both of these truths without any tension or problem. The trinitarian is the only one who can make sense of the fact that there truly is a real identity between the Word and God, with God being the what-ness of God, and yet there also truly is some sort of real distinction between the Word and God, with “the God” functioning as a proper, personal title referring to the Father. Only trinitarians are staying true to the fullness of the text. This verse achieves 1) identifying a real distinction between the person of the Word and the person of God the Father, fighting off Sabellianism/Modalism, 2) identifying the real identity between the Word and God, fighting off Unitarianism, and 3) _not_ identifying the Word to be “a” god or a lesser god, fighting off Arianism/Jehovah Witnesses/Polytheism.
The word is the message, the sound, the doctine. Read psalm 33:6- Matthew 7:21-23
[21]«Not everyone who says to me: "Lord, Lord, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of my heavenly Father.
[22]Many will say to me on that Day: "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many miracles in your name?"
[23]And then I will declare to them: "I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of iniquity!"
In John 1:1, God is the Trinity. Your arguments are based on not having the understanding of the trinitarian God. Our minds are conditioned to think part-whole relationship in images of physical objects. In the spiritual realm, or even informational context, part-whole relationship is about UNDERSTANDING, not physical fitment. Using information system as an analogy, if you want to gain access to the content of an encrypted file, then the decryption key (or password) is equivalent to the original text for all purposes. Then to say the key is the original text makes perfect sense.
Revelation 19:13 Jesus is named "The word of God" if the Word was with God, it clearly shows to disctinct individuals which is why some translations say "Divine"
In THAT question you're saying that He IS God (but the Son)
Something I heard a few years ago regarding Logos was that philosophically referred to the Divine Reason, i.e. the whole purpose and reason for cosmos. I confirmed that philosophers like Aristotle used it that way. I haven't been able to find any/many uses of that word by Jewish Philosophers of the second temple period (though they would've been using Hebrew/Aramaic instead obviously,) to strengthen the link to that being the intended meaning and usage of Logos in John 1. It Logos is intended as being used for the Divine Reason for the Cosmos, then it would comport with the end of Ecclesiastes that the whole purpose of man is to serve God and keep His commandments; otherwise, if the "traditional" interpretation is meant, I am not sure of a referent in the Tanakh for that kind of philosophical statement.
Yep, its pure plato via gnostic philosophy.
@@ken440 you can't discard the way language works though. Incorporating a well established word into a philosophical statement means either you intend to bring that meaning and weight, or you are trying to use it in an unfamiliar way. The fourth gospel wasn't written in Hebrew or Aramaic originally, as far was we have evidence for, and was written at the end of the first century or beginning of the second. Other places the word logos is used with a fairly simple conversion between that and memra, but John 1 appears to be making a philosophical statement and the preexisting meaning of Logos in philosophy cannot be discarded
@@voymasa7980 as for philosophical statements, i see John simply talking about Gods word being the very heart of God, like the famous Horton said "I say what I mean and I mean what I say 100%." At creation God spoke and it was so, later the spoken word becomes the prophetic and written word, scripture. And that then goes on to bring us to mind that God spoke in the beginning of what we call the "word of God" in Gen3:15 and later to Israel in Deut18:18, all about human deliverers who will be the one to destroy the devil, and later God says in His word that Jesus came into the age to destroy the works of the devil, etc, and in the course of time those promises are fleshed out in the man Jesus, who as a second, obedient Adam, pays the blood debt owed by the first adam, and is then the lamb of Passover provided as a blood covering to those with faith to come under it. Simple biblical logic revealed in Gods word.
@@ken440 i don't disagree with this summary, and would even add that scripture tells us God spoke in various manners to people, arguably including when He placed the stars for signs, seasons, etc (Daniel, the Magians, and "his star" to name a few related to his.)
That being said, John 1:1 still reads as a philosophical statement in line with Ecclesiastes, though it could also be layered intention as well. *Shrug*
At first, I did not understand John Chapter 1, but when the Lord saved me and gave me the Holy Ghost, He opened up my understanding. Even in Genesis, let us make man our image after our likeness..
I believe that this scripture has been tampered with by a party who wanted to promote the trinity.
At least you admit that it clearly teaches the Trinity and creates major problems for Unitarianism, but now there’s the problem for you that there’s no evidence this was tampered with and the passage is in the earliest manuscripts.
Matthew 24:10-11 ESV
And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. [11] And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.
The word was God was what it meant to be. The word of God is the expression of His image (not entirety), which is His holiness. Holiness is the mind and heart of God which govern His being. Prov 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he (KJV). What we have in the bible is the dominant nature of God, which is holiness, as I mentioned controls His being. His noncommunicable attributes abide by His communicable attribute. Holiness of God is communicable, Lev 11:45 I am the Lord, who brought you up out of Egypt to be your God; therefore, be holy, because I am holy. Equating Jesus as the word of God was by Jesus' obedience. Jesus was the last Adam (no need for another one), he was born without a sin and stayed sinless until he our sins were transferred to him and sacrifice himself on the cross. That obedience was what the word became flesh means. The word is God before, since none obeyed to give it flesh, but now it human (Jesus' obedience) hence the past tense "was". Was God then (the word), is human now. Jesus was not with God in human form but knowledge, for God is omniscient. And God needed to know ahead of time that Jesus will come and save mankind, or else God will not create us for God is good and he will not create us just to send us all to hell. John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead, he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. Without Christ there is no repentance. 1 Cor 16:16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
It’s a strange coincidence to see this video was posted recently as I studied John 1 and came to a similar conclusion. Actually I feel we need to go a step further because it appears to me that the Prolog doesn’t actually speak about Jesus but the Logos and that it’s a mistake to identify Jesus with the Logos. The Logos only manifested in Jesus when the Spirit descended on him. Ancient texts say that at this moment the voice from heaven said “You are my son, today I have begotten you”. I believe that when the church became legalised in the fourth century the church fathers involved with compiling the first New Testament canon did some minor adjustments to the gospels and letters to make Jesus more appealing to a Roman world and removed anything that could offend the Roman aristocrats, especially the emperor who still was worshiping Sol Invictus but also believed that Jesus was the same God. A virgin birth was considered necessary for Romans to accept the new religion and the church fathers might have felt that it was a minor trade off (considering the alternative) to slightly alter scriptures to reshape the image of Jesus into that of a cesar, a king, that Romans would accept worthy of worship. They also compromised with passages like the crucifixion, shifting the blame from the Romans to the Jews. Jews already had a bad reputation in the Roman Empire and if it meant to have Christianity now accepted as a state religion with the full support of the emperor, it must have felt that a little compromise was worth to be able to live out the Christian Faith without persecution. We do know that the virgin birth was likely a later addition because one of the oldest Coptic manuscript of the gospel of Matthew still has Joseph being the real father of Jesus.
Isaiah 9:6 (NIV). Prophecy about Jesus.
My translation-“In beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and God was the Word.”
God spoke everything to existence. And God said... that's his word. The word is an extension of His being, just as my word is an extension of myself (and we can use that analogy as we are created in the image and likeness of God.) Just as what I say is not separate from who I am, the Word of God is with God and still is God.
We all have the kingdom within us, and it is written that we are gods. We are not the most high God, but we are divine just like Jesus the inner man is perfect.