Dyno Testing Carburetors ~ The Road To Horsepower Ep3 Carb Showdown
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- On today's episode of The Road to Horsepower we are doing a Carburetor Showdown!!! We will be putting the stock performance jetted carb against the VM22 Clone, VM22 Genuine, and Mikuni TM24. Which one do you think will come out on top?
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00:00 Intro
00:47 Carb showcase
01:56 Stock Carb w Performance jet test
02:45 Stock Carb Dyno results
03:33 Mikuni VM22 Clone test
04:14 Mikuni VM22 Dyno Results
04:43 VM22 Genuine Test
05:21 VM22 Genuine Dyno Results
05:47 TM24 Test
06:24 TM24 Dyno Results
06:33 Carburetor Dyno Results Breakdown
08:16 $ Cost $ Comparison
08:58 Outro
09:33 Amsoil Affiliate - Zábava
These videos are so valuable. This is gunna put to rest all the debates on what "stages" do what .
Seriously, THANK YOU Red Beard... this is gunna help future builds/new builders immensely
Thank you for watching and supporting.
So they have all these for all motors like a drz 400
Would love to this new clear bowl 400 dollar carb that's just ridiculously priced
This Road to Horsepower series is the greatest thing to happen to building these engines. Seriously.
🍿just sitting here waiting on the 999 duromax upgrades.
I wonder what happened to that.
@@thedancingpickle6362 he'll get to it but it will probably be spring. Think he told me they have not put 20hrs on it. Yet.
@RBG if you get around to that I'll offer to bring some camera gear down and we'll make a big production out of it.
Same, on the verge of getting a vanguard 35hp, but hoping he build the duromax soon as that is much cheaper just not sure what aftermarket support it has. Looking to turbo a 1L v-twin for 100wtq/100whp.
could’ve bought a whole bike for the price of that motor
I'm getting the 24!!! Yeah man keep the secrets flowing!!! Thanks for this series folks! I really mean it. The community needed this.
420 seems like the next logical test mule, lets see it!
As soon as the clutch gets here
Back in the day i built 4cyl Briggs kart engines(restricted and unrestricted) I specialized in carbs and have ton of hours flowing carbs and wet flow bench and modify carbs . Your biggest gain / restriction is the carb period !!!!. Your test doesn't show the whole carb story you need to graph A/F. Great job testing and sharing your results!!!!!! Thanks, BobG
Yay for the Chi'kuni carb results! Thanks for doing these tests. We all appreciate it
Hi Greg, Brian from Florida here, really enjoying ALL of your videos especially your road to horsepower series. This series is answering alot of questions your average enthusiast may have but I would like to respectfully point out that the vm22 knockoff carb also known as the chikuni (chineese version of the Japanese mikuni) has an inside diameter of 26mm. Not 22mm. Like the original. This may explain the hp diffrence when compared to to the original. Lots of love here from Florida and God bless you too!
The best advice on the web. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
This series is exactly what I always wanted to see! Extremely informative & entertaining! I just built up my second minibike with a Predator 212 & I'm loving it! The acceleration on this tiny MMB80 frame is so much fun! I've done all the small things to maximize performance, so I'll be looking for more go-fast parts soon. It's so great to see actual dyno pulls after all the mods. No more guessing! Everyone has a huge leg-up now & I think that's awesome.
Not only does the flat-slide carb give the best peak power by far, the output is also the most consistent without the flat spots in the curve like all the other carbs. On top of that, it's making peak power way up high in the RPM range, which makes me think this carb will have the most headroom for adding more power mods down the road.
I think this series of videos is the best thing I've seen in a while. Easy to understand with results in black and white. Excited to see where you go with it, hope to see some cam tests in the future. Would also love to see how a CDI would affect the power.
the 22 clone did well fpor me. just installed open 2 days ago and swapped from 90 jet to a 100. she rips. might do cam aannd sproings next. looking for a fly wheel
Love this series! It's amazing that 1 single part can make such a difference!
I'm enjoying your road to horsepower videos. Keep it up. 👍👍
I really like the flat slide carb, and liked the looks of how smooth the graph looked on the dyno. Until GPS makes a 3 magnet billet flywheel, I'll be keeping my MTB under 5,000rpm. So far, I've done the stage 1 with re-jetting, and K&N style air filter, straight through exhaust, and zip tied the governor spring. In this configuration, My bike does 80km/h, or 50mph, and stays under 5,000rpm. This is max speed limit around where I live, and plenty fast enough to get trouble from the cops. I run a Harley LED headlight, and the tail light that looks like the back of an F-14 in LED, with running, turns, and break lights. I have 2 coils under the electric start flywheel, and a 12v battery under the motor mount plate. I usually charge up the battery for a few hours, before riding, and the charging system keeps the flashers working all day.
Your killing from one red head to the other. Thanks for this man. Really helps thinking about it in numbers you can tell people
Absolutely love this series. Thank you so much.
Thank you for watching!
Vm26?
This is the series that I always wanted to see! I have a Yerf Dog that has a hemi 212 on it with billet rod/flywheel, 265 cam, 22 lbs valve springs, clone VM22, and header with rlv muffler. The thing rips and I've wondered what kind of power it makes.
I ordered a flywheel and rod with mod 2 cam do u prefer 22lb or 18lb springs
I’m lovin these comparisons on your new Dyno.
Really enjoying The Road to HP series
What jet did you have in the clone VM22?
Support.
Can’t wait to see camshafts on the dyno. Also curious how a 26mm carb does along with a ported head
Agreed!
I’m going to do more carbs soon.
yep, definitely want to see a video on ported heads!
Yes. We need more head.... in general
I dont think there is a point in doing that. 24mm even without porting obviously outflow the engine. Not a hint of drop off. If you try to enlarge ports even bigger, at this moment you only loose low end, for prety much no gain up top.
Good stuff! It looked like one of those was running a little fat compared to the others, it also put up smaller numbers. Can't wait for more.
I'm loving this series!!!
Thank you. I have a 212cc that I'm doing a slight upgrade to, carb, govenor removed and springs. Not looking for any RPM past 4500 so I'm keeping the stock flywheel since I was the electric start. With gearing and such I'll be getting 10k RPM at the water turbine. My son is 7yo so the mini jet boat should move along at a reasonable speed. We'll see how it goes this summer! Who knows maybe I'll make a YT video of it on the water. Thanks for your videos, I'm glad to be on the right track.
I guess go big. Cannot wait to see how much more you'll get with a cam and ratio rockers.
Thanks for doing this series
As usual, you have raised the bar! Awesome series of videos. Can you please post the jets you used in these carbs. Thank you!
This is a cool series. I love building my engines so I'm digging this information Red. Very nice presentation.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great series Greg
Enjoying it!
These videos are very good and really help with my mud motors for duck boats. A full stage 2 with the flat slide should rip on a 14ft 36in wide flat bottom
I've been running a 28mm oko on my gx200 and had phenomenal results out of it I got it on my channel u guys have given me a load of ideas for upgrades to go on from here but being on a very tight budget I'm lucky I managed to get a new crank for my yanmar ld70 can't wait to swap back to the diesel I miss the weight of the diesel vrs the honda
I love watching these hp videos
Hey Red your the man bro hit everyone with we all been waiting for 👍👍👍👍👊👊👊👊
Nice gains for the $$$. It's great to see real world numbers.
Awesome series! I’m so glad you have a dyno now, for some shootouts and tuning!
Now that you have the 24mm on tap, I can’t wait to see what camshaft selection does to take advantage of the airflow.
Oh, when you swap in the billet rod, can you weigh the stock and billet rods?
Finally a new ep!
Great series! If you look at the upper end of the graphs, the bigger venturi theory on the knockoff seems to hold some water, as it looks like its flowing more air. Speaking of, I've always wondered if the tiny air filter that comes with the Mikuni kits is restricting airflow. Any way we could see a video testing the chrome air filter vs the bigger K&N style filter using the velocity stack adapter that gopowersports sells?
This is a very good debate.. although technically you would have to rejet for the air filter. I would still like to know as well. Are velocity stacks worth it. Or expensive filters worth it
Cool demo.
Best go, kart, minibike, small engine channel on CZcams.
BEEN WAITING FOR MORE EPISODES!!! Love the series man
We have a lot coming
Well done and informative
This is actually really cool! It's sad that you never know who to believe in a catalog online. But this is real-world data!
I definitely like how consistent the power output looked with the TM24 vs. the others.
Yeah it’s by far my favorite.
Great job Redbeard it's amazing what a carburetor can do
I run a and 24
Sorry my damn phone ain't working right
Awsome 🙏🏼 always wondered about this
Awesome results!
WOW love this new series and style of video i got lucky with the knock off chikuni carb haha and the flat slide for my tilly, hey RBG could you try a Nibbi 26mm carb very interested in those it's all the craze now!!😁✌️💚
Hey man keep up the good work I absolutely love these videos learnin heaps gettin a 212 on a drift trike gonna set it up real nice 🤙🤙
Love this series
That flat slide didn’t fall off at higher rpm it’s pretty nuts how all the rest do
Nice , great video !!
Great information
Great episode. I'm with you on the VM24. I'd like to see what one of those Lectron carbs can do. They are crazy expensive, but maybe it's worth it.
Great work ! It’s hard to tell the difference if you aren’t tubning it
The clone made better power because it wasnt as rich as the genuine mikuni. The 24mm was the only one that had decent looking a/f ratios. You might want to come back and look at these carbs again after tuning the a/f ratio, I bet they will be closer.
Not that it really needed proving, but it had to be done so I finally have a source to show somebody when they jump straight to a too big carb for their engine in the quest for power. Number one most common mistake made by newbies and the ignorant.
Try 1.2 or 1.3 rockers with the stock cam, in my experience it seemed to make a good amount of torque. And with a ported head the bike it was on had little to no trouble keeping up with mild big blocks.
Will do.
AFR overlay is important. It is a fuel air mixer. The clone looks bigger. On the vod the 24 looks like it was running a tad leaner.
It was and the real vm22 was running really fat at like 9.5 so if it was around 12 I like it wold have made more power than the clone
from just a carb, sweet, maybe use two camaras when showing the dyno so u can split screen the engine and the monitor so we can have a closer look. thank u for your timer sir.
Redbeard's becoming by superhero great job great video
Id like to see a comparison of the flatslide 24 mikuni vs the nibbi 24
Great video, but I wish you would have told the jetting for each aftermarket carburetor.
Can you guys do a test for Robertsons Torque Tubes for the Hondas and clones I love how they sound.
Love it!
Great video. I think carb is the best mod all said
If you read this soon, Diesel Dave needs some no-bs help with a project he is working on (latest video) and you are the right person for the job.
You should see what a Tillotson TCT does or like a blueprinted carb.
The flatslide had a nice power curve.
This is what I needed to See! Nice Video! Do Different Carbs on a Big block Next Please!!!
I have a Stock (other than governor removed)Honda gx240 that I need help with a Carb setup for!
Would like to see a comparison with the NIBBI carbs vs the flat slide. Great show guys keep it up!
We will be doing it soon sir.
The Nibbis are so pretty! It will be interesting to see how they stack up!
@@3dconceptsofutah757 I run one on my 224 and it’s great when it’s working. My VM22 has been flawless on my 212. But the NIBBI’s sure look good!!
There are cdi conversion kits for Hondas and honda clone engines. You should try one out. Get rid of the fixed ignition timing.
would you recommend a good source
I have one I will test.
czcams.com/video/fIzMHznvG8Q/video.html
He has a CZcams channel about his cdi kits.
Never tried them. Just thought I'd see if he'd test a cdi kit.
Instead of having the flywheel keyed and tuning ignition for hp at one point in the rpm range. The cdi changes the ignition advance throughout the rpm range. Should run better and have a much broader hp/tq curve. Plus the engine should live longer and get better mpg.
@@timothywilliams2021 thanks, Timothy_ I checked out the channel - looks good
I’m new to the channel and this series is very cool 👍
The power wants to keep going higher in the rpm range by the looks of it, are you going to increase rpm at some point?
I’m completely blown away that the clone gives you almost one more horsepower. I’ve bought a clone it says Mikuni Japan on it but we all know what that means. I paid $100 for it and I felt ripped off I should’ve done my homework. But God always looks after his favorite, they accidentally sent me two carburetors. I called them back to return one and they said because my honesty to keep it. So now I have a brand new Mikuni in my parts bin with a brand new hemi 212 that was never used still in the box it was given to me. Anyway I’m getting way off track dynamite machine you got there
Great testing and very interesting, but did you test air fuel ratio of each carb to see if all of them are correctly tuned? If not then the results might be inaccurate and might explain why the original is making less power than to clone.
Ты супер молодец. Как же мне не хватало именно этого видео. Теперь я знаю какие карбюраторы ставить на свои самоделки.👍👍👍
More great info...
I put a Smart Carb on my YZ 250. The gains were amazing. I live in the northern Rockies ND day's riding can see 4500 feet in altitude changes and the Smart Carb automatically adjusts itself without hiccup. Really pricey but worth the price. I wish they made them for this kind of engine
Love it. Keep making em Redbeard's Inc
Got a ton of them coming!
Would the results be comparable with a non hemi? Love these videos. Keep it up....
DAUM good info here - Thanks RBG
Thanks for watching
Love the series. Just in time too. Started down my own road to horse power with the predator 212 hemi, and stumbled across the videos.
Are you still able to use a stock tank (temporary) with out a pump on the aftermarket carbs?
You should add a wide band 02 sensor to the dyno. That way you can see your air fuel ratio and fine tune. The carbs cfm and air fuel ratio are the big difference.
There is one. It’s on the dyno screen.
@@RedBeardsGarage can you move the screen closer to the camera? It's not readable!!! Thanks
I think it would be cool to see what one of those Chinese diesel clones will make. Compared to what they are claimed to make.
Thank you.
If running 5500 RPM and under I would get the clone. But if running a cam and more than 5500 RPM I would get the TM24.
Ur the Richard holdner of go kart engines good info
Try the nibbi pwk it's a good in between the plat slid and the round slide . Easy to tune and good power.
Are you able to add AFR to your chart? The vm24 during the Dyno looked like it ran leaner than the others.
Yeah it’s all hooked up. I may have been able to pull another half a horsepower out of it if I spent more time jetting.
This man's beard is just amachulent
Can't wait Hey one more request I see that we all want to know valve rocker arms for none hemi 212 224 predator keep the Facts so coming we love the new videos ❤️
Can’t wait to see numbers on a tillotson
Can't wait for the 999cc engine !
Nice build red beard your the man i😊 tell people these projects cost a lot’s
Considering that only one carburetor was running the right AFR! I feel like more effort would prove different results? The VM22 knock-off was at 0.65 lambda, or 9.5 AFR isn't fair compared to 0.92 lambda or 13.5 AFR! There was more power to be made with the other carb!
i use the pz20-24 amazon specials, just for the convenience of adjusting carb screws. curious if you can dyno that one. thanks and great content like always!
224mm carbraider
This is very informational. Jealous of the shop man 💪🏻 I ain’t hating tho
It is my favorite tool