Our Broken Rocket 3 Magically Fixed Itself
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You make me feel like I'm not so stupid because I've been working on cars since I was 8 years old and problems like this used to drive me insane and make me wish I had a master mechanic nearby which God would usually send my way at some point ironically enough, an old man who knew what he was doing in this case they called him old Bob he had only one lung and he was Cherokee Indian , here in Memphis
I have a 09 Street triple. The harness under tank going to keys is your Daytona problem. You have to bypass the quick connect and go to a brown wire
It's a well known fact that fuses last forever when you're carrying spares with you.
Sure, why wouldnt i text the clearly real Yammie Noob...
Can confirm. When you have spare parts, the originals won't fail.
This. When you DIDN'T carry spares, the shit fails. Just like raining without umbrellas.
LOL!!! Mr. Murphy in action!!
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You still have exposed wires, contacts, etc. that can short to ground.
It didn't "fix" itself, the vibration from the starter running the motor, just moved it enough to where it's no longer shorted to ground. Hit a bump or something, and your problem will return.
INTERMITTENT PROBLEMS ARE A BITCH!
My Daytona 675 had its wiring harness running across an unchamfered edge of the engine case. First year for that bike (2006). It left me stranded twice --for that issue. It left me stranded for other issues too...
Industrial technician here. You get one blown fuse. If you blow a second one you got a problem that will keep coming back. The good news is they know which fuse it is then it is anything tied to the fuse. In this case it seems to be the fuel pump or the wiring going to the fuel pump
Yam's unscripted reaction when the Rocket turns over is pure gold
I swear I'm not OCD, but did anyone scream internally when Yammie put that fuse in upside down (in comparison to the rest)? 🤣😐
When a fuse is put in upside down in a British bike it summons the demon lord Lucas Prince of Darkness who will guarantee that the fuse will last forever - but at a cost to your immortal soul.....
You do have a problem.
YEP
I noticed.
Thats why it worked
I have a 2020 Rocket 3 that I bought in June of 2020. It was the first one that particular mechanic had ever put together out of the crate, so I was apprehensive. But over 2 years and 5300 miles later, absolutely no problems. Love the bike!
You should check the harness that plugs into the fuel pump to ensure nothing is melted.
This happened with an old Honda of mine. I had to replace the whole harness.
This is a problem with my car AC. Connector for the compressor is melted and it will randomly just stop working. Every time it happens i have to lift the hood and squeeze the connector.
@@calebsherman886 seems like a great way to electrocute yourself
@@RintheRonin my old honda hornet burned their connections to the rectifier too.
I would have immediately taken the tank off and started hunting for rubbed wires. I'm sure this gremlin will be back.
I don't know about motorcycles but for having had a jaguar I can tell you the British would much rather spend countless hours meticulously gluing mahogany onto a dashboard then figuring out an electrical system. I'm sure their motorcycles are similar.
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My Jaguar XJ8 was one of the most trouble free cars that I have ever owned. It needed an air ride compressor and a thermostat over almsot 100k miles.
what a load of shit brad wood a lot of times it cames down to a weekly simple check s a friend of mine meny years ago brane new 4 miles it stopped i chect it on the road side yes a fuse had blown another frend same it stopped he checked a lot of things i said let me look ha ha no petroleum always look for the simple thing s uk biker 60 years
Just like Rolls Royce who make notoriously unreliable motorcars!
The ghost of Lucas Electric appeared.
alternative title: Yammie and crew discover the magic of British electrical engineering
Magic? More like sorcery!
I said this on the first video: loose battery cables. It's a common issue. Make sure to check they're tightened properly. If they're loose, they might cause a short and blow the fuse.
I had a problem with constantly blowing fuses- its possible a wire is touching part of the bodywork and can leak enough voltage to trigger the short. once you find the short its a nut
Yup I had that too, with a wire touching a cylinder head, under the tank. Once the tank was off I saw it right away. Electric tape molten insulation, bend wire away, works for >10 years now.
Thank you. Appreciate the tip.
I had an intermittent short with similar symptoms on my brake light harness. Sometimes it would work perfectly, and other times it would stall upon braking. As i eventually discovered, a seat bolt pinched the wire, but it only shorted when it got wet. You should always investigate a blown fuse even if it "fixes itself"
Historically (1973) we would say, "it's a Triumph." The electrics on the Triumphs in our area (region) were notorious.
It's good to see Triumph let their heritage shine through. From the 50's right up to the present day you will just get random electrical failures that leave you by the roadside. I own no less than three Triumphs from 1949-1958 and they all do this sort of thing from time to time, whether it's the distributor, points, alternator, dynamo, voltage rectifier or diodes you can guarantee as soon as you are the furthest point from your house on the ride, that is when the failure will occur. I'm keeping the local magneto rebuild man living a comfortable life. God bless Lucas, the prince of darkness.
Just needed a nap lol
It is a brit.
@@acrazedtanker1550a yanks nap is a heart attack
hi, guys funny story. fuel pump failure has this exact symptoms. It shorts the circuit so you blow fuses then it moves a tiny bit and everything is fine. it will almost for sure happen again, but try to bang on the tank./pump. next time if it happens while you have it. some times that helps.
Intermittent faults are the worst. I feel your pain.
as my experience, electrical problem never "magically fixed", you must find the source of problem, or it will happened again in future.
Exactly!
Yup!
Lucas electrics striking back from the grave!
I really like the "behind the scenes" style videos like this.
I'd pay money for a "Yammie Uncut" channel where it's just y'all goofing around while making other videos for the main channel
Yeah man, I once spent a lot of money paying shops to try to track down a recurring fuel pump/electrical issue in a 96 Camaro . They never did solve it. Just replaced a bunch of parts that weren't actually the problem. I had to get in there and solve it myself in the end. Marked a turning point in my wrenching career. I realized no shop will ever be as motived as me to actually solve my problems, and sometimes motivation means more than experience. Now I'm DIY in as much of life as possible. It's liberating.
Except swapping tires. I'm with Yam on that one. Bought the tools. Used them once to remove, patch, and remount a tire. Decided the $25 my tire guy wants to charge me for a mount and balance is more than fair. Not sure If I will ever use those spoons again heh.
Yeah you really can't beat it, especially the balance part. The equipment you would need to balance a tire at speed is not worth it for the typical enthusiast. Now aligment, you can get that pretty decent with some relatively inexpensive manual tools and measuring tape. More than accurate enough to get you to the alignment shop anyway.
That low milage, it's not something that's worn through, but something might have been pinched/bent pin/etc in assembly. The British just seem to have some sort of anti-electrical field around their island.
The problem will rear it's head again. It's 99% likely it's a short. Possibly touching metal or when there is water or moisture, or even certain temps
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Considering this bike has probably never seen a rainy day with less than 30 miles on it....
Or a crap fuse...
@@elliottsw 3 crap fuses in a row?
@@sethglenn9022 two, and yes as they were from the factory they would be the same batch
2 1/2 years and 17K miles into my 3GT and I havent had any electrical, knock on wood, or other issues. It is an absolute blast to ride.
It’s definitely NOT fixed. There’s a short somewhere. You don’t just blow multiple fuses by accident. At least I don’t.
I just ticked over 15k miles on my R3GT and so far I haven’t had any issues! Thank god 😂. Can’t wait to see more content from y’all with that thing!
This video is like déjà vu! A couple months ago, my brand new 2020 Daytona Moto 2 did exactly the same thing. We were on a ride in the mountains near Roanoke, VA when my bike suddenly quit. We diagnosed the blown fuel pump fuse and replaced it with the horn fuse (same rating). It immediately cranked up. As I opened the throttle to set off, it blew the fuse again. A month later, after it had sat in my garage untouched, I replaced the fuses and tried again. It immediately cranked, and opening the throttle didn't cut it out. I rode it around the block, then around the neighborhood, then around the greater neighborhood, and it worked fine. I rode it 30 miles with no problems. It's time for its first service anyway, so we'll see what the dealership says.
Fuses aren't calibrated. The original ones may have blown below rated amps . The new ones may blow at higher than rated amps. Cheap automotive fuses can blow at almost any time!
Ran my 2020 R3 for 9000 miles (*plenty side to side Yam) & no problems tho as with all new bikes I changed out all the fuses when I picked up the bike and kept spares, sometimes even dealers put wrong rated fuses in and blade fuses notoriously fragile. And bad batches of fuses not unheard of. Also check the main terminal is properly attached and not loose.
Spite, get a 3R, with quick shifter in sport mode for full throttle upshifts .. and hit the rev limiter at 7k, peak power at 6000rpm, peak torque at 4000rpm, more engaged riding position than GT, way broader band and upper end than any HD,
Now sold mine but a great bike. 😎
Hi Yammie, the best way to find a short is to attach some wires to a headlight globe and add some terminals onto the ends of the wires, remove the fuse and attach each end into either terminal where the fuse was. If there is a short in the circuit the headlight globe will illuminate. Once you connect it up, go around the harness giving it a good wiggle, if you find a spot that makes the globe flash or flicker your in the right location. Be careful as the globe will get very hot so place it in a suitable location.
I bought a new triumph last spring, the fuel pump harness shorted out less than a mile from the dealership. It was repaired and hasn't had an issue in 2000 kms since
This video made me go to amazon and buy a mess of fuses for my rocket
You gotta love how Spite is constantly able to methodically diagnose and fix 🔧the bikes for Papa Yam to break and be confused by 🤷🏻♂️.
The exact pack I bought to run the fuse tap for my dash cam ☺️ also, sick bike trailer! Lastly, the ghost in the machine truly exists
I’m not familiar with the programming setup on the triumph, but some manufacturers have it setup where if it senses there is no oil pressure, it blows the fuel pump fuse to stop damage to the engine
Try checking the oil pressure sending unit
All British electrics are known for being made by "Lucas - The Prince of Darkness"
FINALLY!!! Been waiting for this reveal. Yea electrical issues are the worst. my one and only bike has been down for over 2 months because i cant figure out the electrical issue causing it to not start and havent had the money to take it to a shop. Side note. the Rocket III is still one of my dream bikes. i REALLY want one. it has .9 liters of displacement more than my car 😅
Plot twist... the fuse box cover is labeled for a 10A fuse not a 7.5A. Just talking out of my gooch juice repository, but it would be funny.
Well I decided to work at you jiggled the throttle, it's possible that somewhere in the area of the throttle there is a bit of exposed wire somewhere in that throttle area
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Confusious says: If problems fixes itself, not fixed
I was tempted to get a Triumph, sadly, the local dealership went tits up. Had a similar problem w/my 79' GL 1000 ironically. Blew fuses repeatedly. It's been parked for over 10yrs now as it has the ceramic fuses that are hard to get. I think I know what the problem is, but I've bought 2 new bikes and haven't fought w/it.
A little over half way through the video I know the feeling my car just shut off on me going down the road wouldn't start back up called a friend with a tow truck but when he got there it fired right up 3 years later never did it again.
My 22 speed twin had the tail light wires smashed from the factory. Not quite all the way through. Discovered it when installing the much needed tail tidy. Seems like Triumph doesn’t prioritize wiring having its own real estate. Sort of how 17 year old me used to wire my single din pioneer stereo in my 3rd gen trans am.
You clogged the pump with something. The pump blown fuses, then the pump unstuck. Yay! :)
Same happened with my Indian Scout Bobber, however my Rocket 3R Black never had a pump fail so far (7k km).
Oy, that was a flashback to the British Leyland days of the 70"s. I am surprised you weren't toasting marsh mellows over the fuel tank!😅😅
Welcome to the joys of the mechanics profession.
If that EFI circuit runs right at that raggedy edge of 7.5 amps(that would be a design flaw, but hey it's a Triumph) AND the engine was hot AND the ambient temperature was high, it is entirely possible the fuse blew somewhere below it's rated amperage. Fuses are affected by ambient temperature and that thing is sitting 6 inches or less from the engine. Not saying it's not a short or some other problem, but I know from my industrial experience that some equipment, running in hellish temperatures simply needs a step up in fusing. I had a fuse blowing on compressed air dryer every time someone closed the window in the compressor room. We measured the amperage with a log and the motor never went out of spec...yet when the room heated up 10 more degrees, the fuse would blow.
A loose fuse holder, maybe the insulation on one of the cables is thine, maybe two terminals or clips are close to each other, perhaps another circuit gave a wrong reading leading to an overload, basically this illustrates why I am so against having too many electronics on a bike, when they go bad they can be worse than carburators.
Every triumph that leaves the factory sucks a wandering angry soul from the nether and traps it within its circuitry.
Haunted ass triumphs.
The machine spirits of motorcycles are often capricious. I see a worrying lack of robes and incense in this video.
The Omnissiah's blessing is needed for sure in this case.
Lol... just yesterday I commented that Papa Yam forgot about the Rocket 3 incident
Papa yam...this video and the first impressions/ride video is why more electronic wiss bangs is not always better...
Also things don't magically fix themselves on a bike or car...send it to back to the dealer, explain in detail what you were doing before it died...who knows you might help fix an overall problem that becomes a recall (something that seem to becoming more and more mainstream and common)
As fast as that bike is, even in sport mode
they have it restricted to 64% with the ride by wire tables. Basically, Sport mode on this bike is like rain mode... You give it 100% throttle and it only gives you 30-64% depending on the RPM. It never gives you full power. Flash the ECU with TuneECU and wake that beast up!
Aren't the ECUs locked after 2016?
@@extrameatsammich Nope! TuneECU can flash up and including the 2022 models. Street Triples, Speeds, Rockets, the bonnevilles, scramblers, etc... I have a 2022 Speed Twin and I flashed the ECU to get rid of the restrictions while I was signing the paperwork for it. lol
When spite says try turning it over, for half a second I thought he was referring to that 1 fuse being installed upside down. Ha
It wouldn't be a 'British' motorcycle without errant problems that come and go. My Triumph just doesn't start sometimes, but give it a few attempts its never left me stranded.
What are some good ways to up my technical knowledge? A lot of this video went over my head and, even if I can't do the work myself yet, i wanna understand the concepts
The Rocket felt like the rest of us, sick of your shit. Then we come crawling back cuz we miss ya. 😁
I had two triumphs. Speedmaster '13 and Bonneville '17. Both suffered from frequent breakdowns. The speedmaster had a mechanical failure in the engine due to which it was completely replaced.
I’m on my 2nd new rocket. And watching this was good for me.
You guys had me “belly laughing “
12:45 That is the exact reason why I didn't buy it and went for the Ducati Diavel instead.
Suspension upgrade video on the Enfield, please. I installed the YSS fork kit on mine and wow, it's night and day, so much better in every way - handling, braking, but especially acceleration. Ohlins makes a kit as well. Hell, just put Ohlins front and rear, unless you're too cheap to SPRING for it. Tee hee
What can happen with cables is that there is a short to ground and the arcing involved at the fault can force the cable away from ground, you can get this sort of fault in washing machines etc. then later as the cable relaxes again it can fall back into the fault position and again be blown away, thus creating an intermittent fault. Triumph need to strip it down a bit and look for damage to cables or signs of an electrical short.
Ian
You did blow 2, however it is likely if you received the spare fuses with the bike that they came from the same batch, meaning it is likely that they were both mislabeled if that was the issue
something like this happened to my r125 beaucase somebody (me) accidentally put a little wire in one of the front light connector and sometimes it worked, sometimes not until I noticed and removed the wire
In my rider academy I was told to take an for uses when you travel. Bad fuses, bad electronics, I THINK, are current issues with bikes in general cause of the microchip shortage, a lot of bad batches get sent out of recent.
I like how he said on his Daytona he just jiggles this (as he is jiggling it) and it just turns on, and then it turns on and starts working.
Was the fuel level lower at the time of initial problem? If so, it’s possible that the fuel pump got overheated and that caused the short as it is cooled by the surrounding fuel. I assume the fuel pump is massive to accommodate for the humongous and thirsty engine. Other possible problem, it’s British and most British manufactured vehicle are historically known for electrical gremlins 🤷🏻♂️
I love my R3GT, I did have a wiring issue early on with mine, but it was more with a zip tie next to a connector that for the tail lights, the connector wasn't in all the way and I lost my brake/tail lights.. so my guess is there's probably something with a harness.. there's a lot going on under that tank, the air box and charcoal canister are under there as well as all the hoses an wires.. so there's not a lot of room.. but other than that connector, the only other issue was needing to bleed the rear brake.. otherwise the bike has been amazing for 17k semi hard miles
Brad Kessinger. Did you TEXT him at all ?
@@neilhamill318 This is a scam......starting to see it A LOT on CZcams. Very annoying.....
Welcome to intermittent electrical diag. Have fun.
You should definitely give me the Rocket, it's to dodgy to keep or sell so I'll take it off y'all ;)
it could be bilding up to much resistance somewere in the electric system (and blow a fuse) when everything is warming up (fuelpump, or a spot where the engine is close to some electrical components) that would explain why it starts when the bike is cold .
i think its just a Bad Grounding job to the Pump or even the Fuelrail if it haves one etc... check those spots for correct grounding or better everywhere :D got this problem with my z900 and before with the sv650... or just slap a 10amp fuse in. it will not burn from that just dont go for 25 or so...
Did the bike get washed before you picked it up from the dealership? Water drop in the fuse box? The arcing that took place may have outed the water and now no signs of a fault or short....?
The single sided swing arm on this bike is giving me an optical illusion from the side profile that makes it look like a trike. It looks like the rear wheel is closer to me than the front wheel
Mine did same, bad fuel pump also changed lights to LED, Brighter and less draw
i had a ninja 650 that had exactly this problem. turns out the tip over sensor had a short and on a weird bump would cause it to trigger. for whatever reason the tip over sensor only cuts the ignition and not the fuel pump and starter.
Guessing the short was with the headlight. Swap the 2 fuses around.
Or, or maybe taking the fuse out and putting it back in fixed the issue.
Or the heat. That changes resistance.
Could really have been the jostling that made the headlight fuse do something weird and cause a short circuit somewhere because it just wasn't put in properly.
Either way, holy crap that's a huge ass 3 cylinder.
I have a problem with my GSX 1250FA that looks like your first two minutes.
If I leave it the hot sun and it gets hot I get on it an it stops in a 1/4 mile. Give it a minute, give it some gas, and start it up and problem goes away. I have decided it is a AIRLOCK. Once it gets the bubble out it runs fine. Issue is nonexistent if it is COVERED.
It fixed itself because Yam shook the handlebar the same way he shakes his Daytona. It’s a well known fact that you must shake any British motorcycles hand-lebar before mounting in order to have a pleasant ride.
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In my opinion it's the ECU. I've had to have my ECU updated on my Triumph (Not a Rocket 3). It works magic.
There was a hiccup in the ECU on this Rocket that caused an electrical issue with the fuel injection. Once you put the higher fuse in there it allowed the ECU to correct itself because the engine was running. That allowed you to put a lower amp fuse in it.
IMHO
Can u make a video specific to the 2022 triumph bonneville bobber. Everyone loves your videos and we'd really love one about this bike
Was the bike wet when it failed? There could be a loose wire. After a week it would now be dry.
My best guess is either faulty fuses or moisture somewhere it's not supposed to be. Moisture would make sense since it blew fuses at one point then a week later worked.
YOOOO!! Like I said this this bike is awesome!!!! When it works!! We love it when it works sooo much, that we do not want to say anything bad when it is brakes!! "HAHA" my first issue with it, but I ignored it! "Back brakes are not that important I guess".. I OWN a rocket, it has been in the shop more than it has been on the road. UGGGH "I still want it back. I atleast got a good 4000 miles on mine before the engine blew. Yammie you are trouble -shooting a bike with less than 100 miles on it! Yammie my question is?? Is this normal for motorcycles??
I look forward to seeing the busa v rocket
Bet there's still a short in there somewhere and it just likes to reveal itself and hide at inopportune times.
blowing fuses are MY thing... don't you try to take my crown!
Bike came w/ self diagnosing / ability to fix it self.
Lol
this is the Motorcycle Gods punishing our poor Granny Pubes YammieNoob for being a Triumph simp instead of the Suzuki Squid he was always born to be
I honestly thought you would drive a toyota tacoma. Love your channel still!
Heat, vibration and pinched wires, boys. Good luck, we're all counting on you.
Bad fusses? Might the problem be in the headlight path? Have you ever trouble shot a problem?
You will never have this kind of issues with a Yamaha V-max.
You should definitely do a side by side comparison between these two monsters.
I’m extremely interested in picking up a Vmax to add to my garage, but I’m worried that I might be a little cramped on one since I’m 6 ft’ 2 inches tall. I’m assuming you either own or have ridden one, do you think I would be too big for it? And have you ever ridden any of the other “big 4” muscle cruisers to compare the Vmax too? I have a Yamaha warrior 1700 and a Honda VTX1800F1 which are both completely bad-ass bikes
@@kurtmessenger2034 I own the 1st gen Vmax (I can already hear Yammie noob shout "eew carburetors")
But it has Been one of my Grail bikes.
I am 6ft and sit comfortably on it.
I do see a lot of guys get forward pegs to help with comfort.
I'd maybe suggest for you that would be the best route to go.
I have not had the opportunity to compare the Vmax to other Japanese muscle Cruizers unfortunately but I would definitely love to try them out one day
@@kurtmessenger2034 I don't have anything to add regarding the vmax (I've only owned the 1200), but as an owner of a warrior and a diavel 1260, I now prefer the 1260 and my warrior just sits. More comfy. Bought a raised seat to add an inch and I can ride it longer than my warrior for sure. Plus it has cruise control. FYI, I'm a big guy, but not as tall as you...5'10"/280lb.
@@kurtmessenger2034 you'll be fine
My uncle is 6'5" and the first gen VMAX fit him just fine. It's a very large and heavy bike, so I wouldn't recommend it if you're underweight for your size.
Makes me feel nostalgic for my old MGB with its well known penchant for developing random electrical faults. Ah, those were the days…
Did you two stop at a nice Italian restaurant on the way home and kiss on a string of spaghetti? Two grown men buying a multi pack of fuses together.😆
Hate when this happens, saves me a trip to the dealer, but wastes 5 times as much time
That's why I ALWAYS have spare fuses and a Leatherman