Should We Start Making Filament, 3D Systems' Fined, & Stratasys Buyout Attempt
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- čas přidán 15. 03. 2023
- In today's Slant 3D podcast, we dive deep into the world of 3D printing filament production, discuss the challenges faced in the industry, and explore the possibility of creating our own filament brand. We also touch on 3D Systems' recent fine, the innovative Titan Craft project, and Nano Dimension's attempt to buy Stratasys.
Find out why we're considering entering the filament market and how we could differentiate ourselves by providing high-quality, affordable PLA or PETG filament. We also explore the benefits of producing and selling filament, including increased accessibility and addressing problems in filament manufacturing by being end users ourselves.
We delve into the recent news of 3D Systems being fined $27 million for sharing proprietary government files, stressing the importance of protecting client files in the 3D printing industry. We also discuss the innovative Titan Craft project, which enables users to create custom 3D models and figurines, and the potential for similar software in other areas of 3D modeling.
Lastly, we discuss Nano Dimension's bid to buy Stratasys for $1.3 billion, providing some background on both companies and their respective focuses within the 3D printing industry.
Don't forget to leave your feedback on our filament production idea and how it could potentially improve the industry and lower costs for people trying to create new things. Be sure to subscribe to our channel for more updates on our filament production journey, and other exciting developments in the world of additive manufacturing!
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This is exciting. The most frustrating part of quality filament is paying 2-3x the price for a product that is only slightly better. It would be nice to see more competitors in this space bringing the price down while showing people what they’ve been missing
Thanks for letting us know.
I for 1 would like to see you all make the filament for the community. Like you said, this could be a win win for the community. High quality filament from a company that makes it MAINLY for them selves but also to sell to people like us who want/need good quality at a more affordable price. I have just got started into 3D printing, have 5 machines so far and of coarse still learning. For people like myself, this would be a huge game changer in my mind. I can get top quality filament at a more affordable price is great.... That being said, I would like to see maybe PLA+, mainly because it has a good strength quality like a PETG but also have the ease of printing like regular PLA. Kind of a best of both worlds. Obviously in a large amount of colors, not just black red, white, Blue and Grey. Looking forward to seeing what you all come up with and if you even go forward with this idea. Please keep us updated.
Thanks for letting us know.
Heck Yeah! I would love to have a US based filament (global transport is still looming in the background) that could be a steady source for me and my work. Would love to have a few base colors in both PLA & PETG for consistent prototyping. And if that works, a couple of the engineering materials like ASA and PC.
Thanks. Really appreciate the great feedback we are getting from everyone.
I'm in! PLA/PLA+. Larger weight spools for staple colors (Black, White, etc.). Refillable spools? No filament hook at end spool. I feel like you've hit on everything we are all looking for in your last view videos.
This channel deserves more love. I just found it today. A lot of aspects beyond just making prints.
Thanks!
Pla is the best for most applications so thats what i would like to see. But a limited supply of petg for niche applications would be a good idea.
Healthy competition in the more technical filaments would be great. We aren't the biggest users in quantity but as we print prosthetics for donation to those in need a good quality PC blend possibly with CF or a good nylon for a better price would sure help improve lives! Consistent is big for us, even in PETG. Domestic sourcing of raw materials as much as possible would really tip things your direction from folks like us.
Appreciate that
I'd really love to see PLA and ABS refills in 1 or 3 kg flavors for SlantSpools or MasterSpools. I don't know if you're currently making them for use in-house, so I can understand if the price isn't any lower than pre-spooled if you decide to offer them. Even still, I'm more than happy to buy them if it means I'm not needlessly bringing another plastic or cardboard spool into existence.
100% would support and purchase your filament! ~ I'm just hoping that shipping to Ontario, Canada is feasible and affordable 🙏🏻 💯
I would. We have one Ultimaker (2.85mm), and our daughter has 4 or 5 Ultimakers (again 2.85) for supporting her STEM classes in a local elementary school. And she prints a lot. I am interested in basic colors, black/white. She is more into 'colors for kids' and shiny, for interesting things for the school kids and for her 3d printing club she started for serious kids. Others in her school do use 1.75 but not in as much volume.
I snip off the tail of the filament that is attached to the spool before use. Never had an issue with printers trying to eat the spool. I wouldn't care for a "better" spool system.
Biggest issue: filament color that conforms to Pantone or RAL codes. I need RAL 6018, RAL 7035 and RAL 5004. Not impossible to find if I'm willing to commit to a 2000Kg order, which I'm not.
Never had a color consistency issue with a brand, only between brands. Which is why I stick to 1 brand for 1 color.
Medium issue: messy spool windings.
Minor issue: getting 3, 5 and 10Kg spools other than on special order for enough different base colors. Often all you find is black, white and if you're lucky red.
Major issue: (as a hobbyist) hard/impossible to find good quality PACF (PA12, PA6) that isn't made of useless milled CF dust but from chopped CF strands for a "reasonable" price.
Major issue: most brands, even "good" ones, barely publish any datasheet about their filaments. Getting accurate data from them is like pulling teeth. They're not even consistent between their own website, the packaging and the label on the spools themselves.
Thanks for that feedback. We will keep it in mind as we play with the idea.
Maybe you could make it different by selling refills with a "stl" printable spool so you don't have to source spools. It would be okay if you have limited colors. Idk maybe cheap reliable filament made mainly to be painted.
There's so many way to make things differently.
Either way, you'll definitely tackle the actual pricing/marketing if you manage to make it happen.
Just make sure you will be able to ship to Canada 😂❤️
YES!!! PLA and PETG manufacturing is as everyone said is a pain. Cheap brands are unreliable and better quality is basically a rip off. You entering the market would be AMAZING!!
We're gonna do it
I vote yes on you guys producing filament. I would love it if you could prioritize role refills for the Bambu. I mostly use some sort of modified PLA (tough, plus, etc.) but an additional single SKU of CF Nylon would be great.
I run a small farm of 8, hopefully expanding to 30 or so by this summer. My biggest issue would be colors not being in stock. I pay about 13$ currently for petg and a bit less for abs. Also the packaging. To get the price down sell them a case at a time 8 individual kg spools without separate boxes inside boxes. Maybe your value prop could be filament specifically designed for farms.
We have considered that. Thanks for the feedback
Yes, you should start making filament. As a person working on a prototype of a product I would be producing with 3D printing I would interesting in consistency. A you said color matching, sizing and consistency between batching is a concern. I would access to quantity and lower price is always good.
If you offered a small set of consistently available colors in PETG (and PLA) as SlantSpool refills, you would be the only place I would buy my working filament. Too many good things - good quality from people who know the needs of filament for 3D printing, U.S. made and fulfilled. I would expect an upcharge for the extrusion, processing, and handling process just so this is worth your time and the flood of regular customers you'd get from offering this as a product.
I've recently started to be interested in your channel. Just wanted to say keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do!
Call it slant simply black pla (most forgiving). 12.99$ for 1kg spool, 29.99 for 3kg, if you buy over 100$ then free shipping. Don't guarantee color, but guarantee accuracy and reliability. Most first prints in hobbies, people don't care about color. If that takes off sell more colors and options.
Yes a high quality 1.75 PETG filament made in America is needed at a cost that is affordable. Even if you included shipping for large spools and only had a limited color selection I would purchase from you in a heartbeat providing you were able to keep the price lower than other sources. I try to only purchase from American companies first then other countries except China next. Excellent video
Recently started following, because of your Layer Lines Don't Matter video. Also, as s a fan of your filament rant video I would definitely be interested in purchasing Some PLA from SLANT 3D.
Welcome!
Please do, it would be nice to be able to get consistently good quality filament at a reasonable price.
I would suspect the main issue will be availability, if you do create a really good quality filament a 10$, then I don't see how you could keep up with the demand.
As someone with a small 3D-printing business this is a major issue. For me it's more expensive to design for multiple sources of filament rather than going with a single consistently available filament producer.
Since you're trying to incentivise people to move to Slant3D with their Etsy shop and products, it might be a good idea to at least try to guarantee availability for the people making the move. This would allow them to design for your filament and get closer to what you will be producing at home when testing.
That is an iteresting idea. We will consider that.
Definitely would love to see an inexpensive, American made pla. Maybe raw (clear/translucent) and 3 or 4 other colors to start out.
Awesome. That is kind of what we were thinking as we've discussed the idea
I would definitely like to see a company like yours produce a product you actually use and possibly provide larger rolls so that those of use who want to do very large prints can do so. I think it would also put your name on the map in the community if you could reduce costs of printing. Other companies have done this strategy before such as xiaomi with their cellphones, they sell them almost at cost, and then have a wide range of other products that people will try because of their cellphone brand.
I would also suggest investigating a way to make white filament without Titanium in it, as this would be a one of a kind product as far as I am aware of.
I mainly use white, grey, blue, red and black, but have sense switched away from printing white, after your video on the TO
I’m interested in seeing what you guys can offer in the way of filament I would like to see PLA Petg and maybe asa if you can’ one thing I would like to see if you can look into making rolls of filament that could be thrown on to a reusable spool
I would love to have a place to go and buy filament when I need it instead of sitting on sales and buying hundreds of dollars at a time. I mainly use PLA+ myself.
I don't really understand why it isn't more competitive, it's not that small or new of a market anymore is it? And especially since inflation makes people more price driven consumers.
Anyway, I found this video because I googled "We need a People's Filament Manufacturer". This is the conclusion I came to after I saw your completely spot on video about filament prices. I want to buy from a cooperatively owned and operated domestic manufacturer (even if this made it difficult to be the cheapest). So many brands try to signal that they 'care about their employees' etc, but there's few who actually make that commitment real. They don't always get the broad support or success they deserve, but there are companies that find a way to check most of the boxes.
I also wish every serious hobbyist had access to the ability to at least have their printing scrap recycled (even if they didn't directly receive the recylced filament). I have often considered building a 'Precious Plastic' plastic grinder and filament extruder, or pellet-extruding hot end printer, because I would feel way better having a circular lifecycle for reusable scrap material.
Its worth doing, even if only to supply your local area. Build connections, build recognition, build goodwill.
If you're going to undercut too hard, you gotta be careful, or those established competitors can literally just buy your stuff out, to prevent their profits being destroyed. It is cheaper for them to do that than eat a big, big loss.
Basically, be competative as possible. Your company growing is important. If you guys merely sold at market rates, nd reinvested that extra cheddar into filament related stuff is enough.
Yessssss. You could also only do bulk 10 spools or more an order. Yesssss. I buy my pla plus for 12 dollars a spool if I buy 30 rolls.
Good Idea
PETG for me and i’ll buy exclusively if QC is on point
The more compatition the better, if it leads to better prints and cheaper materials i'd be very happy.
Really anything that's significantly more impact resistant than ordinary PLA. There are some great engineering blends out there, but the price premium for tougher blends can be shockingly high given that the raw materials are still fairly cheap. I'm not picky about color. Things that have worked fine for me thus far: tough PLA, PETG, tough PETG, PCTG, and easy-print (CoPA) Nylon. Ordinary PLA is a bit too brittle for my projects, but a lot of the other options work fine. Some low-cost tough PLA would be great.
Totally in with affordable PLA (to begin) good quality filament. Attention to the package (well sealed) and shipping overseas would be nice.
YES, make filament... PLA... if it is good and inexpensive... HELL YES... people are trying to make 3D printing a business like myself.. if we can save money buying the PLA.. then its a big win.
Yes, but only if you can ship to Canada for a reasonable price. The costs associated with 3D printing here in Canada are bloody insane.
I would buy filament from you. If you made PLA first and then moved into another line down the road I would be excited.
I would love to have a consistent and cheap source of filament. I'm too small time to buy in bulk, but I am still constantly trying to find good quality materials. Either PLA, PETG, or both would be great! Though if you could get your material to be more in line with PLA+ that would be cool too.
Thanks for letting us know
7:46 The main reason for me to by filament from you would be for color and texture consistency. When we are doing a long print and we run out of filament mid print, replacing the spool with a filament from the same manufacture and the same color never works. There is always a noticeable difference in color and, sometimes, in texture. The filament is either shinier or has more of a mat finish. It is so frustrating!!
PLA, PETG, TPU and ASA with some basic consistent colors and finish would be great!!
Also, out of the factory DRY and DUST FREE filaments!!
Yes. That is a very big problem.
Go for it for sure. PLA & PLA+
Yeah, light and image looks way better! 👍
Please, especially 3 Kg+ Spools. PETG/PLA+ would be my go to, as long as it is 1.75mm dimensionally correct I'd be a buyer 24/7.
Lol I use TinkerCad, and man your channel hits every SINGLE POINT about Hobbyist 3D printing!
I'd love more affordable filament! GST3D used to sell a 1kg spool for 6.6 euros before tax, shipping included which is insane, but the diameter was all over the place and can clog a hotend, leading to print failures and at the end, you might be better off going with the expensive option. We print non-stop and the filament costs add up quickly.
Yes. "Cheap" really isn't worth it most times.
Yes. I'd buy your filament. I personally like all of them, especially the high quality engineering ones, like HT PA CF, or PEEK Etc
Tangledfilament.com
Yes, that would be great... I'd be happy with black PLA. That's about all I need for my purposes.
If you can really make that price and quality point work then that sounds fantastic.
(Also: would be easier to pay attn to you if there wasn’t beat heavy music in the background)
I live next to a US based filament manufacturer/3D print farm charging $30/spool for materials that perform worse on my machines than what international sellers are creating. Having a low cost US manufacturer that actually produced quality materials would be great.
Thanks for letting us know. This feedback is great
I would love to have a filament that is constant and reliable. If you could keep PLA and PETG around $20 while performing constantly with reasonable shipping I would buy exclusively from you. One thing that would kill your filament business would be inconsistent inventory, if you don't think you could sustain inventory on the main colors and types after initial startup hick ups I think it would be best to not do it.
PLA, standard colors that are consistent would be extremely nice, most companies filament is not the same and is kind of frustrating
I just got my first FDM printer a couple days ago and looking into filament is weird and overwhelming. I’d really like some good quality filament where the price and size make sense.
I'd love to find a cheaper place to buy quality filament. I'd be interested in both PLA and PETG
Thanks for letting us know
I would love to see some PLA/PETG hybrid of some kind developed where I can maybe deal with percentage of the bullshit that PTG brings to the table with some of the ease of PLA. I also print a lot with ABS but that is obviously more specialty then the average guy with an ender three. But I’ve been wanting to try like met a PLA or whatever they call it but I would really love to see something that can withstand slightly more heat than PLA but not require an enclosure.
That being said PTGNPLA would be awesome and I would be an immediate subscriber on a monthly basis to your filament if you start making it.
I would love to buy Filament from you. Espacially when people start setting up Print Farms it will get more and more important to get Rolls bigger then 1kg, something like 3 or even 10 or more kg. Also it would be great cause of the reasons you said in the vid. For my privat use i would love to have a refill option for masterspool, or something like a deposit system for bigger rolls.
Thanks for letting us know.
I will purchase, that filament, y onely need white or grey color, PLA or PETG the most used ones
PLA and ABS I think would be a great thing.
It would sure be nice to see an American company undercut the competition on price and quality.
To answer the obvious who wouldn't want a cheaper better product that would force other manufacturers to better themselves.
For sure
The PLA/PETG/ABS market has been more-or-less saturated from the low end all the way to the high end. However, where the market is open is the engineering and industrial filaments, like the Polycarbonates, Nylons, etc... You really only have a handful of suppliers that are US-based and all are extremely high cost compared to the raw pellets. If you want to start a filament line, those would be good areas to target.
The filament market is stagnant. That doesn't necessarily mean it is saturated.
@@slant3d I agree that it's incredibly stagnant. We haven't seen anything that would bring a "wow" or any reason to move away from established suppliers at all, in the last three-or-so years.
I do wonder if PLA/PETG is the target market though, where would Slant3D slot in. We have "low-cost" options like LLLMax or the various "chinamazon" brands covering the $11-20 marketplace, moderate-value shops like VoxelPLA, and a handful of others covering the $20-35 range and high-end USA-based shops like 3DXTech/MatterHackers covering the $35+ market.
While the quality certainly improves (and I can see Slant3D being the de-facto quality standard, if done well) at higher ranges, to the average hobbyist with 1 or 2 printers out of a garage, the budget line is "good enough." To a print shop like us, I think they value some different things though, like consistency, reliability, traceability, and a robust supply chain - so we gravitate to more expensive solutions.
Now, if Slant3D can offer the "upper-echelon experience" that the higher-end solutions like 3DXTech offer at LLLDMax prices, that would be "wow"!
It would be cool to see y'all selling nylon or even carbon fiber nylon. My work goes through dozens of rolls a month and sometimes it's hard to find high quality stock.
We would probably have to hold off on the less common premium materials away. We want to focus on the more commoditized materials that have become stagnant
I'd love to see a "K.I.S.S." philosophy used in filament production. PLA/PETG only. Black, natural & grey only to start with and if things work out well then maybe introduce basic colours. Really, just the basics and not a whole rainbow pallet of colours. Most importantly NO SPOOLS!!!! Sell by length instead of weight and just the ship raw roll that I can load onto my own spools that I already have. Just a simple product at a low price. Buy direct from the manufacturer and use the exact same product they use themselves. You could even go one step further and offer a "scrap" line where all your off-cuts, failed extrusions and failed prints are reground, blended and extruded without any concern for colour. As pure a recycled filament as you could get. Turn your trash into treasure.
We have something we are announcing really soon
We have had a Prusa with over 20,000 hours and know building a Voron 2.4r2 to do some prototyping and would love to support your company in PLA, PETG, or ABS. Would love to be able to get color true filament and also new options for color or color blends. I could see myself buying a dozen or more rolls a month especially under $15 for quality filament
Thanks
I think pla and petg are a good start. Personally, I'm looking for ways to get a quality spool of PLA for less than $15 and then of course bulk pricing.
$25-30 for a spool of pla is a crime
I'm interested but probably also not your target customer. I'm just a hobbyist printer who lives in Canada who prints for fun, family and friends. That said, assuming shipping is not totally stupid to get here with a bulk order, the price is still really attractive to me up here. I'd probably end up doing 10-20 kg worth of filament to be worth the cost of shipping in assorted colors to build out my selection, probably want more 1 kg spools for more color selection (eyeing getting a MMU type setup for multi color prints), but I could be convinced to be ready for bigger spools for colors I use a lot of. I'm largely expecting you to want a higher price/kg on 1 kg spools over 3 kg spools, after all, it's 3x the human work, packaging, etc.
I much prefer USPS for shipping as they hand over to Canada Post at the border and don't ask for an arm and a leg for getting it through customs and just ask for the taxes owed only. FedEx and UPS have often assessed themselves of fairly high brokerage fees, I've seen like 50% of the value on top of the taxes owed at times. I don't live close enough to just pop into the right government building to file the paperwork myself as a receiver (I'd burn a whole afternoon on a weekday and a tank of gas to do it), so I'd happily pay you a $10-15 premium for you to file that paperwork (which you'd template down to filling in the quantity and shipping details), and collect Canadian taxes compared to FedEx/UPS demanding what ever they feel like to figure out that customs code is for plastic filament and for the privilege of paying my owned taxes, probably like $60-80 knowing them on a large order.
Thanks for the feedback. That is a lot of help
The idea is great! Big thumb up for u guys, considering something like that needs balls!!(If ur main reason is not to make a fortune on it as u said) Anyway, in my opinion u would not be able to hold up with the demand. Just when I see a sale for 10% and the stuff is sold out in days. Just imagine if you cut it by half. People would go crazy.
Anyway, I've been living in Europe, so my comment doesn't really count because of shipping cots.. But u are a big inspiration!
Keep it up! Looking forward to another video!
Thanks for the feedback. The team wants facilities in europe in the near future.
Just straight up black filament. PETG, ASA, TPU, PLA. Consistency and tight tolerance in color, ovality, diameter, and density.
YES.
Make a brand. Subscription service. Send a free small .25kg roll to any active subs for the newest product so they can stay hyped and test the newest product. Send any new people 1 free .25kg of any color for the first month free(Gets rid of back stock, and they must require a new phone number per account so you don't get scammed), when they sub, give em one of the newest.
This may not be accurate, but something like this would be awesome.
Interesting Idea. The subscription is a good idea
Im a hobby 3d printer out of Idaho Falls, Id. that is looking to start my own little 3d printing business and locally made filament (state local) would be a godsend. Especially if you make higher temperature PLA or PETG. BTW, are you guys going to be at the Gem State Comic Con? We have an artist booth and I would love to meet you guys.
Thanks for the feedback. Unfortunately, Slant 3D doesn't attend any sort of trade shows. But we'll pass it along if any of the team are attending
A European perspective: please bring some real competition to the filament market! Reasonable priced filament in the US may be able to change the acceptable price globally.
If you can offer cheap bulk PLA/PETG I think you can really make the market move. 90% of the time i don't care about the appearance of the plastic because im just trying to churn out functional parts yet I have to pay this premium for quality plastic. Even if you just sold reject reels of plastic that didnt meet spec for color or strength or diameter but would still work fine for the average home gamer that would be big. Also, consider ditching spools for extra savings. I would be more than happy to spool up loose filament if it meant saving a couple bucks per kg
With a filament like of great quality at a more affordable price, Slant 3D could be the Bambi Labs of filament. Shaking up this part of the industry like they have with faster quality print technologies.
Thanks. Sounds like a good idea
Make sure that your spools are not too wide! Bambu lab AMS has a certain width limit and will not work with spools > some width
We'll take that under advisement. Though we don't intend to design toward any particular machine if we do it.
@@slant3d It's not about designing toward a particular machine really, it's more of a compatibility thing. It's minor adjustment at planning stage that would allow you to have another earning stream open - because if that spool of yours would be wider than the amount of - 46-70mm, and the diameter exceeded 200mm they would be incompatible with the ams - it would be a no-no for that part of the casual market that'd be most incentivized to buy cheap filament. I'm not a fanboy, just that it's one thing that I see shook up the 3d printer market and opened the hobby up to a lot of people who don't want to mess around with bedslingers and spend a lot of money. Anker had made a similar machine (well function wise) - so it's still not set in stone what will end up being the next ender.
god please do make filament, i would totally buy it. it's a rad notion
I go thru about 10-12 rolls of filament per month and would love to try your filament. My top complaints of current filaments would be:
Cost, poor packaging, (mainly vacuum seals getting broken during shipping.... it really sucks having to dry brand new filament before getting to print) Tangled spools ,
Thanks for the feedback. We definitely would be producing larger spools, since that is the format we utlize in or print farms. But those large spools would not fit in the AMS.
Also, not sure that we can solve UPS damaging vacuum seals in shipping. Once it leaves the door handling it out of our hands.
@Slant 3D
Correct, bulk spools won't fit in the AMS. Apologies for any misunderstanding, as my thoughts are many, but don't equally apply to all my machines. For clarification, I want my cake and eat it too.😊 I need bulk spools for my machines that are able to feed from an independent spool holder... though I would still use bulk abs, pla, and nylon on my Bambu lab X1C... just feed it thru the back of machine for larger bulk jobs... at any rate, I do realize I can't have ALL my wishes met. 👍🏻 Thanks again for replying back. Much appreciated. Whatever path y'all decide to take, I wish y'all success!
Because I’m moving to larger format printers. I’d be interested in a good quality, inexpensive 2kg spools.
Thanks. Large format spools seem to be the place where we can help the most.
Of course we want cheaper high quality filament! It would be especially good if you can pick a short list of colors to always support and keep in stock on Amazon so there isn't a silly game of trying to find a vaguely matching color in stock.
Oh, and PLA, stick with just PLA with some dye in it and nothing else. Less toxic and lower temperature is better.
Thanks for the feedback
Yes, absolutely. PLA, PETG, and bigger spools.
Thanks for Letting us know.
Can you please discuss the counter-offer by DDD at 24.10? Frankly, I see more long-term gain from a technological-level merger of Stratasys and Nano Dimension than Stratasys with DDD. The fact that Stratasys wants to add DM into the mix is rather strange, as DM really doesn't have much to offer either technologically, or managerially. Why would Stratasys even want DM? (Yes, I've read why, but it sounds hollow). Additionally, I believe DDD desperately wants Stratasys merely to remain relevant, as they too have little to offer comparatively. I'd welcome your thoughts. Thank you.
Alrighty. Well the biggest things that have directed my purchasing is first the consistency of it as in having random under extrusion and I hate brittle PLA, the second is color. I use polymaker, polylite pla and petg, because great consistency and I really like their pigments. Their price is about the most I am willing to shell out, because I know there are other companies with amazing pigments and quality filament like atomic and filimentum and I am sure others, but I just cannot stomach the price. So maybe have some mainstream colors like white, black, red and blue to keep it simple then do some sprint runs of some really awesome colors?
Thanks for leting us know.
Looking for affordable PLA, $14-16/kg would be an amazing price, wish I could buy 2kg rolls too
Have you ever considered creating a company that all of us 3d printer users could send our waste filament. especially if we kept it separated in special clean bags. We really need ways to repurpose this plastic from failed prints and support material. Just an idea.
Not a bad idea. But fantastically difficult to achieve. It has the same quality problems that 3D hubs does.
10/10 would love to buy filament from a trusted quality supplier based on a made in house by a company that is also a part of the printing community and an end user and is relying on the same product for their business and at the same time cheaper than the competition? Imo the biggest hurdle will be keeping it in stock. Prob. The only time I wish I could enter my email to be updated when released and in stock. I like the idea of meging it under the same name as your printing company, you would be doing the community a good service and I believe that recognition would translate more efficiently.
Buisness looks good from 3d community side with filament and filament looks good to buy from Buisness produced products, proprietary blend.
Thanks. That is great feedback. The stock problem is one that we are grappling with right now. We will be selling filament. But we are working on the model that works best
Good PLA fillament would be perfect.
A low cost 5kg ASA would be amazing.
Count me in for top quality & accuracy at hyper affordable price! If PLA can have all the advantages of PETG (creep, long term durability, etc), then the ecological aspect of PLA is added value.
Thanks for the feedback
@Slant 3D do you know if clear filament has titanium in it?
It has nothing it. That is how it is clear
Yes, cheap good filament. Please! Cheap sparkle filament is underserved. Cheap and consistent on a cardboard spool, what's not to like. Lots of ABS users as well with the Voron movement, etc. Please consider good cheap shipping to Canada!
i think the idea makin filament as buisniss who prints with it all day makes sens, because you guys know the problems but the price i think dos not realy matter 20 instad of 25 sounds ok but going cheaper will may make look your buisniss also cheap so. the other thing is dont use cardbord or paper spool use lightwight plasic one with a litle indication how many meters or gramms are left and make the it possable to send your spools back like the "flaschenpfand system" in germany so you can save on that spools a cple bucks too and the costomer is happy for getting some bucks or cents back for returning ther spools.
If you guys made 3kg/5kg ASA I’d buy them in a heartbeat
We might stay away from the speciality materials for a bit. But we have considered it
Do it! Make the Slant Spools 👍 Compete with voxelpla
We might do it.
Don’t dig for gold sell the equipment to find gold! I believe in you guys
Yes, do it!
Thanks!
I'd buy it
Thanks
I'd love to see you ruffle some feathers and get others to improve filament quality
We just might
yes please
Thanks for letting us know
I am looking for a supplier that can provide 200kg a month of grey pla.
Ideally 3kg spools with limited packaging. (Some suppliers have a bag then a box then the vacuum sealed bag)
I expect to need up to 600kg a month soon.
Good to know.
Sign me up...pla setup for master spooling
Noted
How about a spool return like cans get returned to get a rebate.. no sense in just throwing these empty spools away when they can get mailed back for a refund.
I personally wouldn't buy if if it's not shipped from the EU as the savings would outweigh the cost of shipping, tax and import costs so I'll keep pre ordering bulk from Sunlu
Appreciate the feedback. We hope to have an EU location in the near future
The 3D Systems stuff has a name 'Treason'
Yes, PLEASE produce and sell filament. The filament space sucks right now and is ready for some disruption.
Thanks
As you said, it’s a commodity. Best be the cheapest, otherwise, people will import from the king of manufacturing nations…..
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