Due to my age and some hip issues my kicking game is very limited now and weather where i live calls for shoes so that's what I train in now. A hard toe or sole really changes things .
I think that extra several inches of reach when hitting with the toe of the shoe is probably super effective in maintaining a safe distance. Then combine that with a steel/composite/hard toe boot and it could end a fight pretty easily depending on where you hit.
Very much so. I know because I’ve experimented with other martial artists on concrete full contact no gloves or protection. One thing I have found out from doing that is that the traditional forms that people say are useless are in their element in the outside world. You see them shine. For example kicks in forms are usually mid level or low, and you find out that a lot of times what you think is a kick in a form is actually a check or knocking the guy off balance for a take down. So yeah, kicking with shoes is effective in the outside world. They just don’t look like what you see on a mat.
Yes, it's actually much better to kick with shoes than with sandals/slippers or with regular boots on, because there will be times when you need to run in a Street Fight. And, it's much easier to run in shoes than with sandals/slippers or with regular boots. But, if you’re wearing Military/Combat or Tactical Boots…that will just be as good or possibly be even better than shoes.
I forget where , but I was also taught what I call a "scuff kick" where you slice across the shin or knee cap with the blade or heel of the shoe in a cutting fashion . It's super painful and sets you up nicely for a side kick. A cool bit of Savate history is it was used on ships as well where the sailors would hold on to rails or rigging for balance and you'll see that reflected on some of the classic stances with one arm held extended to the rear ,
@@jessehendrix2661 maybe, but its also seen in Ballet which even has the same term for it. "port de bras" (carriage of the arms), from a kicking point of view it allows you to reach further (by shifting the centre of balance) and deeper penetration for the same reason.
I've started to incorporate my shoes into my bagwork routines. You're absolutely right that the impact is TOTALLY different. I actually find it's the opposite of switching from boxing gloves to bareknuckle training; that is to say I was astound by how LITTLE force it takes to really get a decent thump. I chose a hardened motorcycle shoe; it's light weight and slender but hardened from toe to heel and top of the foot as well. It has a velcro strap over the laces, which come just far enough up the ankle to give support. It has given me a huge boost in self confidence when I'm out and about simply because I have a really useful tool that is always there, always ready. Most people "on the street" don't anticipate a kick in the first place and adding the totally different angles and targets Savate utilizes are an asset for sure.
Savate is the national sport of my country. Definitely effective on the street as it was born for the street. I once saw a guy got kicked by a chase lateral or side kick to the head. His head started swelling and I was so worried he would die. There is also lutte Parisienne or Parisian wrestling but you don't see it that often nowadays. Of course you have the weapons, la canne de combat, le baton and sometimes knife techniques. A complete art.
JKD is my foundation and Savate was one of the styles I enjoyed doing when doing JKD, ended up getting my blue gloves in Savatè. Unfortunately due injury and old age I now just concentrate on the Wing Chun side now, but when I see these video you do Kevin in Savate, JKD and Wing Chun my eyes sparkle with excitement. Keep up the good work.
Wearing shoes also gives you extra speed and mobility when moving with your feet like boxing. The footwork in Savate imo is better than all the other kickboxing styles because it's similar to boxing.
Fun fact: the Soviet school of boxing was originally based on Savate (minus the kicks, lol). Hence the pendulum movement, hence always trying to work as an outboxer, hence the angles and timing. You can still see a lot of that in today’s Ukrainian, Russian and Kazakhstani boxing schools
You left out the reverse kick from the introduction, but used it right away in the combination demos. 😅 Still one of the best Savate intros in youtube.
Nice video Kevin The sidestep or décalage is also great to open the hip, get away from the centerline and like you said, offer great targets. Ps. I also love coup de pied bas
the base leg, foot stepping to the outside tactic is extremely underrated and deceptive, especially in the close range when used to pull a knee to their gut/ribs
With leather shoes I'll totally use savate kicks rather than Muay Thai kicks. You don't need much strength to damage your opponent, and neither need to aim for the head if you don't have the flexibility. But with snickers I'm not totally sure, the blade of the shoe on the knee cap will do the job though. Or a tip kick in the leaver.
I mainly trained in Muay Thai and Filipino kali. Savate looks cool, I love kicking I can see integrating these techniques with kicking, knifes, dowel and firearms as a edc system.
Just get a pair of steel toed boots ( the modern equivalent of the old heavy "sabot" (wooden clogs) that french workers and slum dwellers wore for generations) and you will soon understand the destructive power of the "shod foot" or as the french called it "la savate" and where and why it developed .The fancy high kicking version came later and was called "Boxe francaise" and was not really "savate" anymore, but the name stuck. in old savate you did not kick above the knee. Modern BF got its inspiration from Ballet, the only people at that time who stretched and knew how to kick high and trained for it systematicly. My grandparents were from France, and told us a few tails about it. one interesting thing is the term "la savate" is the noun for "old shoe", but in french slang back in those days it could also be used more as a verb. to give you the la savate was the same idea as saying "to put the boots to you' in English.
Nice video 👍 it's funny to heard french words with your accent (i'm french btw), savate is a really good boxing school who focus on distance and footwork with the idea of hiting without being hit, it can be hard to touch a good "tireur" (the name of boxers in savate). 🔥🔥
Awesome video! I truly appreciate so many qualities from savate, angulation, timing range. I felt like this video highlighted it😁 savate could be devastating with a steel toe, or lethal with a high heel🤔.
That was a great vid. I've been doing wing chun for 20 years. These kicks will work very well on the street and work fine with wing chun. Also very easy to learn and you do not need to be a good kicker for them to be effective. Keep up the good work.
There’s a theory that Karate’s high kicks all came from Savate and since TKD was the Korean adaptation of Karate, then that’d mean TKD kicks came from Savate too. Assuming the theory is true.
Once in a street fight in Paris i make some chasse bas to a guy (I have big shoes) and I can tell it’s very effective 🤣 you have also savate-defense who teach all the ancient vicious technique of old savate (some attack in the eyes ,palm strike in the ears ,and also some basic take down ,choke and armlock/leglock…the old savate was a complète système for self défense in the street ).
I habitually wear solid work boots...with a .380 and a Gerber utility knife holstered around my left ankle. The right is a jab, with brass, knuckles, the left, with the extra mass, is a nearly 3lb hammer on a 32 inch handle. Yes, kicking with shoes is effective. I can't kick a brick wall hard enough to damage my foot, thus i can blast away with abandon at shins and knees. It's a bit slow, but that's mitigated by preferring to kick while in the clinch, the push pull can help plant weight on the targeted leg, for some destructive kicks. The extra mass makes knees hit with more authority as well. There arent many arts that teach a defense for being toe kicked in the shin. It's dirty, and im sure people could workout a counter, but, in the street, it only needs to work once per customer.
Thanks! Great intro to Savate. In my opinion, it has some advantages that would likely be useful in a street fight since you get used to kicking with shoes and also hitting certain targets. Look forward to more videos on Savate!
Hello Kevin, very good video and combos. FYi, there is also a technique that we call "pointe au foie" which consist in targetting the liver with a fouetté....extremely painful. Cheers from France!
In France, there's an expression meanning fighting: "en venir aux mains" (something like get to the hands). It seems that savate was originaly a mean to avoyed legal poursuit. By fencing with the feet, we were just playing together.
Great stuff! I always prefer to kick with my heel or ball of my foot. not toe because it can't take as much force. I prefer ball of my foot because greater reach and versatility than heel 👍😎👍
Maybe, there was a theory that there were two distinct methods "Savate" and "chausson". Chausson (the slipper) was supposed to be from the south and used by sailors. But probably the most researched and academicly rigorous book is Prof. Loudcher's book of Savate and its history. He finds evidence that Savate was only popularized in Paris then spread south from there. To me its pretty clear from the 1843 article by Théophile Gautier (called "the Master of Chausson") That Chausson was just a name change to try and get away from what was considered a vulgar term "savate" . So the answer is probably "no" sailors in the south took up savate after it began to be popular and probably developed a distinct style or where taught one by a specific instructor. To me the origins seem pretty simple, old Savate is described very much like the basic clog fighting (purring) that survives in the UK. Clogs or "sabot" were standard foot ware for both peasants and industrial workers who were both moving into the slums of Paris after the Napoleonic period when savate begins to appear (at least in recorded sources).
@@JohnJohnson-pq4qz thank for input, i heard that sailors were bored during cruises and came out with "kicking game" they named "chausson" after shoes they were wearing to prevent slipping and the kicks they "invented" became savate later (and that's why savate roundhouse (foeutte - i probably spelled it wrong ?) is more snap than hip drive like in muay thai because they have't time for that on rocking ship) i don't know if that's true, some of it's true or it's total bs
The rear sliding kick up to the target is the BEST. A pendulum kick has too many parts. 1. Slide 2. Lift knee 3. Kick all take too much time. The sliding kick they never see.
I've seen some canne de combat ( which is one of the arts taught with savate) videos, and I do see some similarities to fencing, speaking as someone who has done fencing in university,
I broke my Hallux some time ago and I can’t understand people who throw kicks with their toes without thinking about it, if i ever do a kick I’ll do anything that doesn’t involve the toes or the risk of injuring my toes
I wish there was a kickboxing style where they wear shoes like savate but don’t wear gloves, or wear MMA gloves. That would more closely resemble real life self defense.
Stack your toes. Squeeze the middle toe into your big toe,pushing the second toe on top of the triangle. Practice that on a dummy until all of your muscles are strong. Do not kick in shoes until you have done this many times.
Is kicking with shoes effective in real life? Hell, yes! Getting kicked with a shin feels like a baseball bat, the tip of a shoe is more like a pickaxe with a longer range. You need less force to make serious damages, so you can focus on dodging blades or sticks and kick while moving side to side. It is part of the "decalage" principle that makes Savate very different from other styles. Everything in Savate is more street oriented, it is based on keeping the aggressor at the distance where getting hit is more difficult and your hits are more effective. Boxe was introduced after several decades to cover up for the lack of short distance capability, but it is mode of a "sports thing" (after english boxers at the end of the 18th century showed that sports and street fights have different dynamics). Big plus: the kiks in Savate can be used with a walking sticks very well, almost all schools taught the "canne de combat" (combat walking-stick) as part of the savate training. People used to walk with sticks back then, after all. The history of early savate is part of the art, makes you understand some details in the techniques that are specific to the "style"
This is just TKD or at least it is TKD when used the way it was intended to be used. I've studied ITF TKD for 15 years and my Sabum taught us that each of the kicks we learned could be used at low, mid, and, high range. High range is for points, low and mid range end fights. That Crescent kick was a blast from that past, he'd used his to set himself up for a mean cross with his hands.
I think it still works to certain degree. We have tried to kick each other in the soft spots with regular running shoes. And it still hurts even going light. 🤣
My thing is whatever you have in your tool box, no matter how dirty cheat to win on the street. If your in a state that has castle doctrine anything flows; kicks,, punches, elbows knifes, stick and firearms
That`s where the nowadays called "fancy kicking styles" get serious. On the streets, with shoes on. Cowboy boots with messing tips or steel cap - Rangers , worn by us young thugs using Taekwondo - kicks (which are pretty similar to Savate, after all)at any height. Those were the days in the eighties, haha.
Ok, this is weird, kicking was something I never got around to training in a gym so I just focused on some basic front kicks and side kicks on my own since I seemed to have the range of motion for it and it gave good power, seems I was doing "chasses" XD I did however pick up an oddly specialized way of kicking when I came across good steel toed boots that allowed for curling the toes inside and full force kicking trees, it takes some getting used to but the force you can then impart is... scary..
with snickers those elbow block are very painful, savate shoes are harder so it s ok when they block but you need to wear savate shoes in the street lol.
Il faut comprendre l'essence de la savate, normalement les chaussures sont clouté et cassent les tibias. Merci de rendre hommage au sport qui à posé les bases des arts martiaux modernes.
Yep but I think most people practising savate know how to kick both ways. there's more precision involved in savate so theres more conscientiousness involved in exactly how the kicks are landing
When savate was invented hard shoes and tack boots 🥾 were worn because MEN dressed like MEN and worked for a living. One kick from a workingman’s boot 🥾 DESTROYED what it hit.
won't you break your toes if you hit the thigh for instance? I don't feel snickers provide enough protection for the toes unlike the boots. I would tuck my toes up like they do in karate at the very least, or simply kick with shin bone muy thai style
There is basically no risk you would break your toes kicking someone with shoes even sneakers, the risk is slightly higher if you kick directly to the skull ,tibia or get very unlucky with an elbow but even then you most likely will be fine especially if you have conditionned your toes.The reason is even with light shoes your toes are still held together by the fabric providing support to the joints, think of it a bit like hand wraps. Howeverr if you miss and hit the ground a lamp post or something VERY hard then yeah, you definitively need stronger shoes than sneakers, don't ask me how i know lol...
It’s the martial art of the French SWAT teams and the anti terrorism unit. So it’s technically battle tested. It’s fine. Better if you have steel toed boots.
They are going to think about protecting their head, and if They dont, you can finish the combo with your hands as he showed, it's either They bring their hand back up so you go low, or they don't and you go high
That is a ridiculous question, of course it is effective to use shoe kicking! I've been using this without thinking of questioning the effectiveness of this technique when it comes to self-defense. I'd say it is so ridiculous to even ask a question like this. Shoes kicking has always been effective intuitively, like come on now don't be kidding around asking a question you already know the answer about.
Savate origins: swords / rapiers kind of got banned, so the Frenchies switched to entertaining themselves with feet. Then the Japanese saw it, liked it, "borrowed" a lot of it for Karate.
Do you think kicking with shoes is effective on the street?
Due to my age and some hip issues my kicking game is very limited now and weather where i live calls for shoes so that's what I train in now. A hard toe or sole really changes things .
I think that extra several inches of reach when hitting with the toe of the shoe is probably super effective in maintaining a safe distance. Then combine that with a steel/composite/hard toe boot and it could end a fight pretty easily depending on where you hit.
They use to have special shoes reinforced with metal and, sometimes, a retractable blade !!!
Very much so. I know because I’ve experimented with other martial artists on concrete full contact no gloves or protection.
One thing I have found out from doing that is that the traditional forms that people say are useless are in their element in the outside world. You see them shine.
For example kicks in forms are usually mid level or low, and you find out that a lot of times what you think is a kick in a form is actually a check or knocking the guy off balance for a take down.
So yeah, kicking with shoes is effective in the outside world. They just don’t look like what you see on a mat.
Yes, it's actually much better to kick with shoes than with sandals/slippers or with regular boots on, because there will be times when you need to run in a Street Fight. And, it's much easier to run in shoes than with sandals/slippers or with regular boots. But, if you’re wearing Military/Combat or Tactical Boots…that will just be as good or possibly be even better than shoes.
I forget where , but I was also taught what I call a "scuff kick" where you slice across the shin or knee cap with the blade or heel of the shoe in a cutting fashion . It's super painful and sets you up nicely for a side kick. A cool bit of Savate history is it was used on ships as well where the sailors would hold on to rails or rigging for balance and you'll see that reflected on some of the classic stances with one arm held extended to the rear ,
Yep!! 💯💯💯
Ow, goddamn
That arm extended behind you might also be a carryover from fencing where it's held backwards out of harm's way and is used to recover after a lunge.
@@jessehendrix2661 maybe, but its also seen in Ballet which even has the same term for it. "port de bras" (carriage of the arms), from a kicking point of view it allows you to reach further (by shifting the centre of balance) and deeper penetration for the same reason.
"Coup de pied bas" it is called
I've started to incorporate my shoes into my bagwork routines. You're absolutely right that the impact is TOTALLY different. I actually find it's the opposite of switching from boxing gloves to bareknuckle training; that is to say I was astound by how LITTLE force it takes to really get a decent thump.
I chose a hardened motorcycle shoe; it's light weight and slender but hardened from toe to heel and top of the foot as well. It has a velcro strap over the laces, which come just far enough up the ankle to give support.
It has given me a huge boost in self confidence when I'm out and about simply because I have a really useful tool that is always there, always ready.
Most people "on the street" don't anticipate a kick in the first place and adding the totally different angles and targets Savate utilizes are an asset for sure.
Awesome. I'm training Savate along with Wing Chun and BJJ. Absolutely loving how these styles fit together for me.
I agree! I love those 3 arts!
How to do you compare wing chun leg kicks to savage leg kicks, what are subtle differences may ask?
@@jacobharris954 I am actually in a process to make a video about this! Stay tuned!!
BJJ and wrestling in general are 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈for 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡no “rules” in REAL combat 🤡
Add some boxing to the Savate and panantukan to the wing chun!
Wow Kev! You went through Savate is 8 minutes!! You could totally do a video on each kick! Amazing knowledge man!
Thank you!!!
Savate is the national sport of my country. Definitely effective on the street as it was born for the street. I once saw a guy got kicked by a chase lateral or side kick to the head. His head started swelling and I was so worried he would die. There is also lutte Parisienne or Parisian wrestling but you don't see it that often nowadays. Of course you have the weapons, la canne de combat, le baton and sometimes knife techniques. A complete art.
Yes, I would love to dig into Lutte Parisienne!
Check Gemeiner Academy of Savate in Australia.
That was a very good explanation for Savate. Love your comparison of Wing Chun stance to Savate. The concept of distance is also well explained.
Glad you enjoyed it!
JKD is my foundation and Savate was one of the styles I enjoyed doing when doing JKD, ended up getting my blue gloves in Savatè. Unfortunately due injury and old age I now just concentrate on the Wing Chun side now, but when I see these video you do Kevin in Savate, JKD and Wing Chun my eyes sparkle with excitement. Keep up the good work.
Wearing shoes also gives you extra speed and mobility when moving with your feet like boxing. The footwork in Savate imo is better than all the other kickboxing styles because it's similar to boxing.
I agree!!!
Fun fact: the Soviet school of boxing was originally based on Savate (minus the kicks, lol). Hence the pendulum movement, hence always trying to work as an outboxer, hence the angles and timing. You can still see a lot of that in today’s Ukrainian, Russian and Kazakhstani boxing schools
You left out the reverse kick from the introduction, but used it right away in the combination demos. 😅 Still one of the best Savate intros in youtube.
This is great, Savate is such a useful art and you breaking it down/relating it to Wing Chun/JKD is excellent. Also love Mike representing the Feiyues
Nice video Kevin
The sidestep or décalage is also great to open the hip, get away from the centerline and like you said, offer great targets.
Ps. I also love coup de pied bas
Great video! Would love to see you reviewing more savate in the future. Keep up the good work
the base leg, foot stepping to the outside tactic is extremely underrated and deceptive, especially in the close range when used to pull a knee to their gut/ribs
I agree. My professor does it flawlessly in sparring and he just kicks you where he wants.
Great work Kevin! 👏
Great video on Savate. Thanks Kevin.
Thank you for watching!
Thanks for another awesome video and great explanations of distance and techniques 🙏🔥🥊
Thank you Professor!!!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Learned more watching this video than I have in watching multiple long savate videos.
I love Savate!👌👌👌
Savate, simply I love the style
With leather shoes I'll totally use savate kicks rather than Muay Thai kicks. You don't need much strength to damage your opponent, and neither need to aim for the head if you don't have the flexibility. But with snickers I'm not totally sure, the blade of the shoe on the knee cap will do the job though. Or a tip kick in the leaver.
I got kick in the face several time in sparring with shoes. Even going light, it’s still painful.
your savage is so good!
Thanks bro!!!!
I mainly trained in Muay Thai and Filipino kali. Savate looks cool, I love kicking I can see integrating these techniques with kicking, knifes, dowel and firearms as a edc system.
Yes Kevin. good job, great location.
Thank you!!
Very good explication ! 👍
Just get a pair of steel toed boots ( the modern equivalent of the old heavy "sabot" (wooden clogs) that french workers and slum dwellers wore for generations) and you will soon understand the destructive power of the "shod foot" or as the french called it "la savate" and where and why it developed .The fancy high kicking version came later and was called "Boxe francaise" and was not really "savate" anymore, but the name stuck. in old savate you did not kick above the knee. Modern BF got its inspiration from Ballet, the only people at that time who stretched and knew how to kick high and trained for it systematicly. My grandparents were from France, and told us a few tails about it. one interesting thing is the term "la savate" is the noun for "old shoe", but in french slang back in those days it could also be used more as a verb. to give you the la savate was the same idea as saying "to put the boots to you' in English.
great control 👏👏👏📿
Nice video 👍 it's funny to heard french words with your accent (i'm french btw), savate is a really good boxing school who focus on distance and footwork with the idea of hiting without being hit, it can be hard to touch a good "tireur" (the name of boxers in savate). 🔥🔥
Hello ! Great video ! I just would like to say that the way you describe savate is the "modern" savate. Not the way it was told back in the day 😊
Thanks!
Thank you so much!!!
Awesome video! I truly appreciate so many qualities from savate, angulation, timing range. I felt like this video highlighted it😁 savate could be devastating with a steel toe, or lethal with a high heel🤔.
Thank you! I agree! I think Savate could provide a lot of benefits!
That was a great vid. I've been doing wing chun for 20 years. These kicks will work very well on the street and work fine with wing chun. Also very easy to learn and you do not need to be a good kicker for them to be effective. Keep up the good work.
I think Savate and Wing Chun share similar kicks! Thank you for watching!
This was very helpful. It adds a practical twist to TKD kicks!
There’s a theory that Karate’s high kicks all came from Savate and since TKD was the Korean adaptation of Karate, then that’d mean TKD kicks came from Savate too. Assuming the theory is true.
Once in a street fight in Paris i make some chasse bas to a guy (I have big shoes) and I can tell it’s very effective 🤣 you have also savate-defense who teach all the ancient vicious technique of old savate (some attack in the eyes ,palm strike in the ears ,and also some basic take down ,choke and armlock/leglock…the old savate was a complète système for self défense in the street ).
You gotta love that décalage. 🙂🖖🏻
I habitually wear solid work boots...with a .380 and a Gerber utility knife holstered around my left ankle. The right is a jab, with brass, knuckles, the left, with the extra mass, is a nearly 3lb hammer on a 32 inch handle. Yes, kicking with shoes is effective. I can't kick a brick wall hard enough to damage my foot, thus i can blast away with abandon at shins and knees. It's a bit slow, but that's mitigated by preferring to kick while in the clinch, the push pull can help plant weight on the targeted leg, for some destructive kicks. The extra mass makes knees hit with more authority as well. There arent many arts that teach a defense for being toe kicked in the shin. It's dirty, and im sure people could workout a counter, but, in the street, it only needs to work once per customer.
Yes! It's very effective on the street.
Thanks! Great intro to Savate. In my opinion, it has some advantages that would likely be useful in a street fight since you get used to kicking with shoes and also hitting certain targets. Look forward to more videos on Savate!
Hello Kevin, very good video and combos. FYi, there is also a technique that we call "pointe au foie" which consist in targetting the liver with a fouetté....extremely painful. Cheers from France!
Thank you!!! I will try to cover more those stuff next video!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Great content. I would love to buy a savate course done by you 👊💥
Check out my professor’s online course!
savate.teachable.com/courses
Wow thanks for the video
Thank you for watching!!
In France, there's an expression meanning fighting: "en venir aux mains" (something like get to the hands).
It seems that savate was originaly a mean to avoyed legal poursuit. By fencing with the feet, we were just playing together.
Super attractive class of the sport
Savate is a fantastic art
I wish more people know about it!
BTW Brahma makes steel and composite toe loafers,no strings, they are awesome!
Ohhhh I am gonna look them up!
Imagine these techniques with steel-toed boots
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Water: Kosen Judo Earth: Muay Thai Fire: Savate Boxe Air: Catch Wrestling
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I.e shoot fighting combines those styles thank Eric Paulson:)
Great stuff! I always prefer to kick with my heel or ball of my foot. not toe because it can't take as much force. I prefer ball of my foot because greater reach and versatility than heel
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Muy buen video mi hermano felicitaciones
THANKS
Thank you!
0:10 - Savate's history
0:40 - Striking areas
0:50 - Target areas
1:05 - Keeping the distance
1:15 - The weapons
1:30 -"Fouetté" (Roundhouse kick)
1:55 - Stance & footwork
2:55 - Low kicks
3:10 - Middle kicks
3:25 - "Chassé"
3:35 - "Frontal" (push kick)
3:55 - "Latéral" (side kick)
4:25 - "Coup de pied bas" (shin kick)
5:00 - Kick recap
5:40 - "Coup d'arrêt" (stop hits)
6:25 - Kicks combos
6:55 - Punches
7:40 - Savate influence in JKD
7:50 - Conclusion
Namaste Kevin.-Andre..
great!
Vive la boxe française, la savate !
Hello from France 🇫🇷 !😊
Ah that Savate....I was in few trainings but it was expensive here im my country (Serbia, also we are in top 5 in Savate)
good martial art for school
Great video! Question: Wasn't savate invented/influenced by sailors? i've never trained it but it's what i was told
Yep it is!
Maybe, there was a theory that there were two distinct methods "Savate" and "chausson". Chausson (the slipper) was supposed to be from the south and used by sailors. But probably the most researched and academicly rigorous book is Prof. Loudcher's book of Savate and its history. He finds evidence that Savate was only popularized in Paris then spread south from there. To me its pretty clear from the 1843 article by Théophile Gautier (called "the Master of Chausson") That Chausson was just a name change to try and get away from what was considered a vulgar term "savate" . So the answer is probably "no" sailors in the south took up savate after it began to be popular and probably developed a distinct style or where taught one by a specific instructor. To me the origins seem pretty simple, old Savate is described very much like the basic clog fighting (purring) that survives in the UK. Clogs or "sabot" were standard foot ware for both peasants and industrial workers who were both moving into the slums of Paris after the Napoleonic period when savate begins to appear (at least in recorded sources).
@@JohnJohnson-pq4qz thank for input, i heard that sailors were bored during cruises and came out with "kicking game" they named "chausson" after shoes they were wearing to prevent slipping and the kicks they "invented" became savate later (and that's why savate roundhouse (foeutte - i probably spelled it wrong ?) is more snap than hip drive like in muay thai because they have't time for that on rocking ship) i don't know if that's true, some of it's true or it's total bs
The rear sliding kick up to the target is the BEST. A pendulum kick has too many parts. 1. Slide 2. Lift knee 3. Kick all take too much time. The sliding kick they never see.
I need to ask sifu, Savate has its roots in the French Fenincing ?
I've seen some canne de combat ( which is one of the arts taught with savate) videos, and I do see some similarities to fencing, speaking as someone who has done fencing in university,
where did savate come from?
Dude, you look huge.
I broke my Hallux some time ago and I can’t understand people who throw kicks with their toes without thinking about it, if i ever do a kick I’ll do anything that doesn’t involve the toes or the risk of injuring my toes
I wish there was a kickboxing style where they wear shoes like savate but don’t wear gloves, or wear MMA gloves. That would more closely resemble real life self defense.
I would love to see that!
You want big damage ?
Stack your toes. Squeeze the middle toe into your big toe,pushing the second toe on top of the triangle. Practice that on a dummy until all of your muscles are strong. Do not kick in shoes until you have done this many times.
Is kicking with shoes effective in real life? Hell, yes! Getting kicked with a shin feels like a baseball bat, the tip of a shoe is more like a pickaxe with a longer range. You need less force to make serious damages, so you can focus on dodging blades or sticks and kick while moving side to side. It is part of the "decalage" principle that makes Savate very different from other styles.
Everything in Savate is more street oriented, it is based on keeping the aggressor at the distance where getting hit is more difficult and your hits are more effective. Boxe was introduced after several decades to cover up for the lack of short distance capability, but it is mode of a "sports thing" (after english boxers at the end of the 18th century showed that sports and street fights have different dynamics).
Big plus: the kiks in Savate can be used with a walking sticks very well, almost all schools taught the "canne de combat" (combat walking-stick) as part of the savate training. People used to walk with sticks back then, after all. The history of early savate is part of the art, makes you understand some details in the techniques that are specific to the "style"
Hey Kevin,
That was great!!
(Pants too tight for high kicks?? Ha ha. Just “pulling” your leg.)
I only wear flexible pants 🤣🤣🤣
you should wear HEMA amor when sparring with savate
I would say I think savant. Would be good for self defense Because it's rainy. And most people wear shoes or boots when they're outside.
Rangey
Wow…..
Well I have to say it is not underrated it is just really hard to find somewhere that teaches it
I would agree with you point too!
cool u trained with Dan Inosanto
This is just TKD or at least it is TKD when used the way it was intended to be used. I've studied ITF TKD for 15 years and my Sabum taught us that each of the kicks we learned could be used at low, mid, and, high range.
High range is for points, low and mid range end fights. That Crescent kick was a blast from that past, he'd used his to set himself up for a mean cross with his hands.
Does this work with modern shoes? I could see all of this working with stiff leather soles and heals though.
@@Gorillaspoons I was thinking more about the stiffness of the shoe construction as a weapon that is just not going to work with modern shoes.
@@Gorillaspoons I watched that video and the context is different. I'm asking if savate kicks using the shoe actually works with modern shoes
@@SwordFighterPKN Maybe it would be better with a pair of boots. I have some steel toe combat boots that Savate techniques should pair well with.
I think it still works to certain degree. We have tried to kick each other in the soft spots with regular running shoes. And it still hurts even going light. 🤣
My thing is whatever you have in your tool box, no matter how dirty cheat to win on the street. If your in a state that has castle doctrine anything flows; kicks,, punches, elbows knifes, stick and firearms
That`s where the nowadays called "fancy kicking styles" get serious. On the streets, with shoes on. Cowboy boots with messing tips or steel cap - Rangers , worn by us young thugs using Taekwondo - kicks (which are pretty similar to Savate, after all)at any height. Those were the days in the eighties, haha.
Ok, this is weird, kicking was something I never got around to training in a gym so I just focused on some basic front kicks and side kicks on my own since I seemed to have the range of motion for it and it gave good power, seems I was doing "chasses" XD
I did however pick up an oddly specialized way of kicking when I came across good steel toed boots that allowed for curling the toes inside and full force kicking trees, it takes some getting used to but the force you can then impart is... scary..
with snickers those elbow block are very painful, savate shoes are harder so it s ok when they block but you need to wear savate shoes in the street lol.
just for information "savate" name want to say "shoe" in slang or street language in france.(sorry for my bad english)
Il faut comprendre l'essence de la savate, normalement les chaussures sont clouté et cassent les tibias.
Merci de rendre hommage au sport qui à posé les bases des arts martiaux modernes.
SO It would be a bad Idea for Savate fighters to fight bare feet because they might injure those toes. Great video BTW💪.
Yep but I think most people practising savate know how to kick both ways. there's more precision involved in savate so theres more conscientiousness involved in exactly how the kicks are landing
I know some Savate fighters who transitioned into K1. Just have adopt different rule set.
I want the art of kicking with steel toe shoes!
I will make more videos!
When savate was invented hard shoes and tack boots 🥾 were worn because MEN dressed like MEN and worked for a living. One kick from a workingman’s boot 🥾 DESTROYED what it hit.
Honestly, Savat comes off as a less intense version of full contact kickboxing.
jkd i sed à LOT
Same movement
Whether or not it is effective, on the street you usually have shoes on, and do not take them off for the fight
won't you break your toes if you hit the thigh for instance? I don't feel snickers provide enough protection for the toes unlike the boots. I would tuck my toes up like they do in karate at the very least, or simply kick with shin bone muy thai style
No the only time people break a toe or foot while kicking is when they hit an elbow.
There is basically no risk you would break your toes kicking someone with shoes even sneakers, the risk is slightly higher if you kick directly to the skull ,tibia or get very unlucky with an elbow but even then you most likely will be fine especially if you have conditionned your toes.The reason is even with light shoes your toes are still held together by the fabric providing support to the joints, think of it a bit like hand wraps. Howeverr if you miss and hit the ground a lamp post or something VERY hard then yeah, you definitively need stronger shoes than sneakers, don't ask me how i know lol...
@@redwithblackstripes heh ok
@@batmanonholiday4477every other type of kick does more damage and is superior, don’t risk breaking your toes, especially the hallux, not worth it.
This feels so difficult
It looks hard, but practice makes it better!!
Хоть ктото пркпзал,как правильно держать стопы ног.
What ? Not Paris - it was Marseille !!?!
Tiger kung fu is the best
It's more effective with the shoes.
I knew that the kicks BRUCE LEE used is from savate
It’s the martial art of the French SWAT teams and the anti terrorism unit. So it’s technically battle tested. It’s fine. Better if you have steel toed boots.
If you pull their guard down with you shoe why follow up with a low kick? there is two instances where they can grap your foot and muay thai sweep you
They are going to think about protecting their head, and if They dont, you can finish the combo with your hands as he showed, it's either They bring their hand back up so you go low, or they don't and you go high
Hi can I get a shout out I love karate and I love your videos 😂❤😊
Thank you!!!!! You are amazing!
Try work boots.
Jon Jones 🐐
Sanji
I totally was thinking of Sanji when I practice Savate 🤣
Lol! The kick on cover page is not a Savate kick. You should know what that kick is.
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That is a ridiculous question, of course it is effective to use shoe kicking! I've been using this without thinking of questioning the effectiveness of this technique when it comes to self-defense.
I'd say it is so ridiculous to even ask a question like this.
Shoes kicking has always been effective intuitively, like come on now don't be kidding around asking a question you already know the answer about.
Savate origins: swords / rapiers kind of got banned, so the Frenchies switched to entertaining themselves with feet.
Then the Japanese saw it, liked it, "borrowed" a lot of it for Karate.