Aikido That Works - Self Defense Aikido
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- čas přidán 12. 03. 2017
- Many people say that Aikido doesn't work and it's not true. It's only that many Aikido techniques are only principles that should be connected together in a different way. Here is the answer on how to use Aikido as a self-defense method.
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Instructor: Rokas Sensei
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Uke: Eduardas Girjotas - Zábava
Aikido relies heavily on fine motor skills. When adrenaline is pumping through you, fine motor skills are extremely difficult to use effectively.
I remember when i started doing BJJ i asked to one master who came from Brazil. Master today are we fighting? (meaning sparring, to roll) and he answered: Miguel a fighter who does not fight (sparring in that case) is not a fighter. You have to experience the fight with an opponent who is not going to colaborate with you and has your same level.
Those words are in my mind since the day one . And i think aikido is good but the students of aikido lacks reality not about their techniques, i assume it works (lot of policeofficers are taught that) but they dont know what an opponent who wants to choke them out looks like.
They are martial artist but not fighters........thats my opinion. All respect to everyone who is doing some sport.
You share a key to understanding how any martial art must be applied to real-world situations. That is, we practice our techniques (be they katas or wazas, etc., or simply punching and kicking drills, holds, take-downs etc.) in order to learn principles and develop dexterity in applying them. Then, in an actual self-defense situation, you don't worry about the techniques-- you just apply the principles that you learned by practicing the techniques. It flows naturally without having to stop and think about which techniques are needed in response to whichever attacks are begin made upon you (the principle of "no mind").
In this way, Aikido can be just as practical or valuable as any other martial art when it comes to self-defense. To look at it from another perspective, EVERY martial art can ONLY be applied to actual combat in this way. It's a matter of applying the principles one learns during practice.
AikidoSiuliai I think you finally are solving at least part of the problem. I am not an Aikido practicioner but I use Aikido principles. I am combining Aikido with Jun Fan Gung Fu (Bruce Lee Gung Fu)... First I close the distance and use Wing Chun, after that I could apply Aikido principles. I don't wait for the attack, I anticipate and/or intercept the attack.
I'm SO GLAD to see you working with Rogue Warrior Lenny and others to make Aikido effective.... ALL martial arts have VERY effective parts-- that's what MATRIX martial arts is about--- take an art and remove all the repetitive wasted BS moves and keep the EFFECTIVE stuff... and IT WORKS. I've done kenpo- and out of 1600 basic techniques I was trained in- I have about 30 that NEVER fail me--- same with my 4 other arts I have high ranking black belts in-- Segal- as much as he's NOT liked-- knows this on aikido- and makes it VERY effective.
I know that you've got into MMA recently but you have a huge knowledge of the Aikido for sure after your 13 years of practicing it. I really like this video, as it shows actually some realistic situations and movements. I'm just wondering, maybe you could make a new playlist, where you would be putting videos of modified Aikido techniques for self defense? The thing is, Aikido is a "soft" martial arts without hitting and kicking, and I'm sure such modified techniques would be great for self defense against untrained, wasted opponent who isn't that dangerous but very annoying. It is very common situation I guess, where someone may be walking on the street at the evening and some drunk guy, with not much of a speed nor balance is following you, trying to push you etc, but punching him or kicking, would actually make you seem more as an attacker than him. I really would like to learn such techniques or at least get to know them overall for example to train with sparing partner on training, because I belive that every martial art has its limits and we should develope in different directions to move forward with our skills, but Aikido in a modified version for self defense would be a great thing for those who are avoiding dangerous places and/or situations and are most likely to simply meet such drunk, wobbly idiot, so it would be a quick and not agressive way of dealing with such person if he would try to attack. I guess such videos like on channel Jujitsu101 with one technique explained per video, step by step, would get very popular and you could gain a lot of positive attention showing a honest, effective Aikido techniques modified up to self defense standarts, that can be used on a common, untrained Joe that had a few beers and you don't want to hit him. Especially people from countries with laws that "protect criminals" would appreciate such thing, because CCTV won't show always everything, and attorneys do their best to such idiot turn out to be a victim of "an agressive, Muay Thai trained specialist whom knocked him out cold". Just my two cents, but I see you as most honest Aikido-related person to whom I can turn with such proposition and who has balls big enough to make such "realistic self defense Aikido" series, instead of proving everyone some "bullshido" :) Just remember to slap on a warning that this is only an instructional video and should be done in controlled situation on a training, because lets be honest, everything shown on this one should be practiced with sparing partner on a training.
Best regards and good luck in your martial arts journey!
Great video. I am happy to see your drive to want to adjust and make changes. Keep it up
Great video. Very informative. Many thanks!
How will this differ from aikijutsu?
Good video! Again, I'm glad you are talking about practical aikido and how you can use it from so many positions.
I enjoyed this video. Thanks
Anthony
Very informative!! Do more videos about more combative Aikido. I enjoy the way you maintain the essence of the art. Thank you sensei.
Thanks. I'm planning to do more of these
I think that all the attacks that the opponent simulated were not realistic. Additionally I think that one can be spiritual (if that is a thing) with any martial art and that you can enter a flow state with any martial art wether it is effective in combat or not!
What style of aikido is this? I've been doing yoshinkan for many years now and am interested in how different it is
Patrick Duguay I've been doing yoshinkan for past year. Previously full contact style karate. Learned so much more about my karate thru aikido... Osu
Patrick Duguay In his "Introduction to all Aikido weapons", Rokas sensei said that they're within the traditional Iwama-Ryu Aikido, affiliated with Aikikai.
FightClubStellingen thanks
I really urge you to take a few months of BJJ. I don't want to come on here and be vulgar or rude, but I think the short time being exposed to it, and being forced into vulnerable positions would really expand your mind.
It might be painful to accept the glaring ineffectiveness of your techniques, but you could become a massive voice for martial arts by sharing your experience to the world. It's never to late to be exposed to truth.
Hi, I am actually already working on this. You can see it in this video: czcams.com/video/pq3CCQAS-tU/video.html . I've started training BJJ and MMA too
AikidoSiauliai are you doing MMA and BJJ yet?
I've only found BJJ has made me more secure in the value of my Aikido.
I think as it is for, say, Karate, though, you can find BS Karate schools and great Karate schools, and I lucked into a great Aikido school on the first spin.
"The spirit has to be maintained..." Great video explaining that aikido works and does work with its own principles.
Aurélie Decamps this Video did Not explain any of that - the least that aikido "works"
very excellent. thank you as always!😉
son of StormShadow nothing he talked about was excellent. in any way.
What's with the socks? Is it freezing in the dojo?
as someone who practiced aikido for 12+ years and actualy believed exactly what you are saying in this video i will give you one advice: 1. find some who trained boxing, muay thai, kickboxing, wrestling, judo, sambo or bjj for the same time as you did aikido, 2. ask them for a 5 minutes sparring session. After that you will see precisly why ppl say aikido is useless as martial art.
notubeatall+ Very interesting Sir, I would really like to hear more of your thoughts on the subject. Please look in the thread above started by "dynamic1", at the bottom of it I've asked the guys for some tips/opinons on what to do. Please read my question and reply me your thouths Sir, I would really appreciate it, if you got the time.
Edit: Though you're abselutely crystal clear i this post, and I get it, but still; I would love to read more about your thouths on the subject.
The channel "Aikido flow" recently made a video where they suited up in protective gear and simulated fast street attacks. Aikido works just fine in reality. For sparring, not so much. But reality is not sparring, and this important distinction always goes past heads of people who believe everything they watch on UFC.
full contact sparring is very close to reality, simulation is very far from reality. You are still free to believe what you like, its a free world.
I'll let any sane person look at that video I mentioned and arrive to their own conclusions about Aikido's applicability in self-defense.
would you kindly link the video you talk about?
My biggest criticism in Aikido for Self-Defense demonstrations is always the footwork of the attacker. Many techniques will be far less effective if the Uke isn't taking a huge lunge step forward. When contact is made at 5:30, he is literally standing on one foot.
I agree that Uke's many times are quite louse attackers
dynamic1 truth the best attacker is the poor fool who doesn't know that you know! I can guarantee once uke knows that you know his attack will never be the same!
+draconis0469 My point is, what if your attacker strikes you without overcommitting their bodyweight? Aikido, in a nutshell, focuses on using an attacker's momentum against them, but Ukes always give the Nage an easy setup by walking forward.
Nothing is going to be decisively effective when the distance is so short, the person can just reach you with their fist.
Reacting to that is a crapshoot, and it does not actually reflect how reality attacks happen. In reality everyone has their personal space, and thugs attack suddenly and need to cross this personal space and connect at the same time. Reality is not the ring, and it has a different set of mechanics. Aikido was derived from a battlefield art, made to work in the chaos of battle, so its methods and footwork are quite sound in the real world. Look at all the security footage.
As for uke standing on one foot, it is actually the desired goal of such arts. If you catch the attacker before he re-plants himself, you have him.
But yes, there are ways of improving Aikido's applicability at short range, and they consist of the following:
1) adapting rapid hand deflections from Tenshin Aikido style
2) compacting technique to its purest skeletal form
+shi *_"Nothing is going to be decisively effective when the distance is so short"_*
I'm not suggesting that they need to attack from a closer distance, necessarily, I'm saying they should use more balanced footwork to enter the pocket.
*_"As for uke standing on one foot, it is actually the desired goal of such arts. If you catch the attacker before he re-plants himself, you have him."_*
My whole point is that the Uke should not be using footwork that makes him stand on one foot.
*_"Aikido was derived from a battlefield art, made to work in the chaos of battle, so its methods and footwork are quite sound in the real world."_*
Aikido was derived from sword fighting footwork. This footwork basically became obsolete along with the sword. It is simply not well suited for modern unarmed combat. Aikido seems to have a lot of great concepts, but they're applied to attacks that are irrelevant in a modern context.
*_"Look at all the security footage."_*
Can you suggest some? I've seen countless videos of other styles being used in street altercations, but not Aikido. It might just mean that Aikidokas are less likely to get into fights than other stylists, which is certainly not a bad thing, but I have literally never seen documentation of Aikido combat effectiveness.
*_"yes, there are ways of improving Aikido's applicability at short range"_*
I like your suggestions, but I sill think Aikidokas will never realize the holes in their defense, unless they train with martial artists from other styles.
Keep it the good work.....make more like these.
Osu
Arigato
Nice video! I personally would throw a big strike in there so the opponent doesn't resist the technique so much. Also I wouldn't dare try this if the opponent is an experienced grappler but should do well against a pure striker.
I'm skeptical of these Aikido techniques for self-defense. A good test of their effectiveness would be to have an Aikido practitioner fight against someone who is going to come at them like in a real fight. This will test the aspect of unpredictability.
Check out one of the latest videos on Aikidoflow channel, where they do that in protective helmets.
It's interesting that the more Rojas wants to get away from aikido he realizes it WORKS, just like the case in the video many martial artists had to survive a knife attack and his aikido skills helped him have the best result. Aikido isn't perfect, just like other martial arts but has its advantages.I can see that as an aikido, judo and karate practitioner.
I'm training in aikido this is my 7 months in it. I like it. could you make more videos like this to give more I ideas of self aikido like hook or straight punch. is you saying that you have to attack your opponent before they fully get into Thier attacks.
We are planning to do more videos about it
3sweetguy also take a search for windsong dojo.... many videos there as well!
draconis0469 yea I watch few of them he have good pointer to .but this guy explain it more better to me
the problem here is passive aikido. the already there principal is best. if the guy is attacking you with a knife, you need to neutralize him
personally I recommend the ancient art of gun-fu. ka-rifle is an excellent ranged style and shotgun-do is a decent hybrid but gun-fu really excels in the street situation.
I know karate in aikido for seven years it’s hard but it takes time and effort you have to be patient years of training you have to be strong I hope one day you’ll learn a martial arts that fits u
Sensei can you make a video about small areas like elevator etc, somewhere we may not take a step... Great video by the way!
Good topic. Will look into it
Nice
It really depends who has the knife. I don't think any serious martial artist believes they can defend themselves 100% of the time from any attack. I've never trained with an Aikidoka who seemed to believe they could.
Training weapons defenses could mean the difference between being knifed to death by a nine-year-old vs defending from being knifed to death by a nine year old.
Likewise, there is no martial art that is never defeated. BJJ loses all the time... usually to BJJ. But sometimes to other fighting styles as well.
All-or-nothing thinking is not going to get anyone too far in the realm of martial arts.
For small spaces look at JW Bode who used Aikido in prison cells as a guard.
who is your sensei?
I have been doing Martial Arts for 30 years, both Striking and Grappling styles, you need both to be an effective fighter. Aikido is so specific on one aspect, that it limits itself. Any Aikido practitioner fighting a well trained Kick Boxer, Muay Thai fighter or Karate fighter will be in for a rude awakening. None of these styles leave the arms out exposed for you to grab hold of, they snap their kicks and punches back at high speed.They also know how to manage distance. Aikido will work against someone who isnt trained, but wont work against someone who is. The trouble Aikido now has is all other Martial Arts have evolved since the UFC and MMA appeared, Karate and Kick Boxing now do some Grabbling and Ground work, as does Muay Thai, No gi BJJ has evolved to be more effective in street and MMA situations to counter and nullify strikes, as well as having some form of striking to combine with the grappling. Aikido has stood still for too long. If you want to learn an effective martial arts system that works, then you have lots of other options to choose from other than Aikido. If you want to just get fit, do some exercise, have fun and meditate then maybe choose Aikido.
I've been attacked physically by someone on the street before, and he had no training, and was just a thug. In real life it doesn't matter how well trained you are, there is always someone who will attack when you least expect it. Even well trained fighters a.k.a athletes can get caught by surprise. Real life is unpredictable.
Hi everyone, I am a black belt III dan of karate and after 19 years of shotokan I started and practiced aikido for 5 years. For my experience as a personal defense it works. Perhaps it is a matter of who teaches... But all those who claim that it is ridiculous and ineffective, how many hours of aikido have they practiced in their lives?
Massimiliano Zaccagni in all respect of your comment -sometimes you Do Not need that.
i Do Not need spending several hours on drinking Gasoline, for Proving its Not healthy
Could you do a series based on Aikido techniques used in the John Wick movies? Also what moves could work against guns and knives? Last thing lests look at wrist locks from guard and top side position on the ground. I want like 10 good moves to drill into muscle memory.
nothing really works against guns or ranged weapons. only thing that works against that most of the time is if you are armed yourself . If someone holds you up close with a gun , one of the only things that would work is if you pull a knife on the attacker. there is a reason why guns are referred to as "the great equalizer"
That was a very good video. Its just lik a said before. Aikido works but you need to make it work. And not long and complicated movements.
Sandooo haha.good luck With making that work
No it’s doesn’t
yep.. just keep it short and simple. like Judo
There are more realistic aiki-styles which are less "spiritual and spacy" but more realistic/effective like Yoseikan Aikido or Yoseikan Aikijujutsu with as basic Daito Ryu aikijujutsu, but incorperate also effective techniques from Karate, kickboxing ,grabbling, Judo, kobudo, Jiu jutsu. It is also the main difference between DO and JUTSU.
This is the problem. This does not show self defence. Too many martial artists (not just Aikido) simply do not train for the reality of a street encounter, because they dont know what the reality is.
As frustrating as it is to see people hating on traditional styles, this is actually very true. To the point where it's almost frightening; I've been training in Taekwondo for 5 years now and the few weapons drills we've done don't feel realistic at all - it also doesn't help that the drills are so infrequent.
Please take a look at Carl Geis Aikido
I appreciate what you are trying to do. You are trying to close the gap between what you think is spiritual and flowery aikido forms with something that looks more effective in a self-defense situation. Actually, I think, eventually you will get to the place in your training where what you do is also self-defense and you won't need to vary what you do as much. It's really just a question of learning how to move your body in unique ways 'inside the form', as it were. If this sounds 'esoteric', it is, just as the principles of biomechanics (the most efficient ways of moving your body) are esoteric to people who don't know them. There is almost no one, I believe, who is willing to show people how high-level aikido works. I am one of those few. I get it though: The first and last rule of magic - "A magician should never give away the secrets of his magic," because, at that moment, he ceases to be a magician and becomes a teacher instead. You may have noticed but Japanese sensei openly admit they are not teachers, or instructors. They demonstrate. You copy. They want to keep the magic alive. If you're good, you'll progress on your own... This is their thinking, but it is Confucian pedagogy. I'm the opposite. I like the Western development of progressive reason, science, principles, sports science, philosophy. I'm happy to be a teacher of teachers actually. I'm good at it, and I'm only half Japanese... ;)
Some Aikido practitioner please answer...do you think that would work on the street against a Wrestler,Kickboxer or Jiu-Jitsu Fighter?
No.
Yes, if there is enough of a disparity of training in favor of the Aikidoka. Equal training? No, Aikidoka would lose.
What Do you think??
use your brain!
Showmen ate! Done
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qgppl80 auto correct ... it doesn't know Japanese! I have used shomenate several times best self defense technique! The opponent doesn't see it coming and boom they always hit the ground on the back of their head and don't get back up! And to the authorities and witnesses it looks like all you did was put your hands up and yell STOP! Open hands no fist no grab! Yet it is taught over and over when you are a good Uke!
When do you really need to fight ? What is a real fight ? What is effective ? Fighting skills are important off course, but not the absolute goal of martial arts.
I think, and this is just my theory so don't lynch me, that the absolute goal would be a more psychological element. Physical fitness and mental wellbeing are certainly elements but I think it would be more about self esteem/confidence and control. Just my theory, make of it what you will if it makes sense great if you can add to it then please feel free.
If your not there when the punch arrives that’s a good martial art-if you see trouble and you avoid the danger even better!how many black belts do we all know who have been beaten up after going out for the night.realistic training would be having a couple of pints of beer then 3 guys going for you simultaneously no time for grappling . also anyone approaching me with a knife under my scenario use the leg it kata.love to hear your responses.please don’t respond if you haven’t been beat up because you haven’t been tested under real world conditions.
P P ähm.
so you have to get beat up for knowing reality?
also whats with the "3 beer" pints stuff.
yeah IT slows you down, kills your cardio but unless you are obliterated or unconsious - if your gettin beat up , your were getting beat up in the First place.
with or without pints.
i once fought a guy drunk, if you can even Call that fihtimg and still wrestled him down (im a grappler obv) also if you scared to get beat up while drinking. ..
Dont get drunk..!!!! (?)
P P ähm.
so you have to get beat up for knowing reality?
also whats with the "3 beer" pints stuff.
yeah IT slows you down, kills your cardio but unless you are obliterated or unconsious - if your gettin beat up , your were getting beat up in the First place.
with or without pints.
i once fought a guy drunk, if you can even Call that fihtimg and still wrestled him down (im a grappler obv) also if you scared to get beat up while drinking. ..
Dont get drunk..!!!! (?)
Hello sensei rokas good video i am from argentina and i am 5 kyu.
the fact you are wearing socks on the mat says it all.
i really hope you read this. i think it would be magnificent if you could be the guy to make a style of aikido that is effective in a real fight. others have tried, but that doesnt mean you cant do it. seagal was an accomplished martial artist and his aikido was probably as good as anyones, but he was blinded by his ego and at a certain point he was more interested in proving mastery than in improving competence. the tomiki people have actual competitions, which is a good and an important step that is producing results: there are now aikidoka who can use techniques against people who arent cooperating with them. unfortunately, when i see the tomiki competitions i think "good aikido looks like mediocre judo". im gonna give you the key piece of information that you need to discover what works: aikido teaches defenses against attacks that no one uses. every attack is the same; uke steps forward with left foot while attacking with left hand. no one punches like that! you have to find people who are good at punching and let them punch you! id suggest spending at least this next year trainjng regularly at a boxing gym. even if you dont have an actual fight, at least train and spar with people. if you can find ways to modify your aikido so it works against real punches thrown by people who know how to punch, then youll have made a huge contribution to the martial arts world in general and to aikido specifically.
i need to clarify: uke stands with left foot forward and left hand forward. uke steps forward with right foot and delivers a committed attack with right hand. ukes hand is positioned as if it were holding a weapon. --- this isnt how people punch in real life. you can say whatever you want about principles: if youre not training to defend real jabs and real punches then youre going to get knocked out when real jabs and real punches come at you
Seagal's Aikido style trains drills against random boxing punches. Check out Rogue Warrior channel on CZcams by Lenny Sly. #takingaikidoback
Haragei Lucid, i agree with you that aikido attacks are not realistic and that uke keeps his hand out for you to grab but its only a training method for beginners. Otherwise they will not learn the locks and holds which take a long time to learn. But they can start learning takedowns at a medium pace at least. The problem is aikidoka at advanced levels also continue to train this way and do not step up their training to the next level.
Boy, I'll probably burn in H*** for expressing this opinion, but, after the aikido vs. MMA video, it would appear you talk a pretty good game but can't deliver in external physical reality. Would any of these techniques have worked against the semi-pro MMA fighter against whom you sparred in the previous video, and, if so, why didn't you use them then? Sorry for being blunt.
You are not blunt , you are honest. Actually I woul be much more blunt than you. This crap does not work no matter how much you try. His theories are all talk. And he himself , does not look like a fighter at all. And yes, even extrenal appereance shows something about the way you practice martial arts.
very scientifically explained ...
Guess what doesnt work.
1:39 who attacks u like that in the street. do a real street fight scenario. where u don't know what your opponent will do.
I respect you very much for stepping up and making the aikido vs mma video. But I will tell you why you could have not apply any technique, because you didnt know what was coming. Its quite simple, aikido would work perfectly, if the human body was packed with some super reflex, it doesnt, boxers train all their life throwing olnly punches and even then cant black and duck all punches coming. If some dudes tells you im going to punch you this way and this speed and this high, sure you may be able to actually pull something off, as you seen in the mma video, not only that one but the other one of the bold russian dude fighting to bumbs from the streets those guys are not trained in anything, they are wearing gloves which will help at least to catch something, it doesnt happen.
ITs quite simply, it doesnt work because its not humanly possible to do it, if so. please do a world a favor and try to pull some defelction techniques on any bum of the streets, that would be science.
Ju Jitsu works the japanese Form
i cant believe that in 2017 people still believe this shit has real world applications. i dont mean to be disrespectful but practicing this stuff is gonna get u nothing but hurt or killed. ive been in judo for 10 yrs and boxing/muay thai almost the same and i can readily tell you that even those very practical tough styles have plenty of holes in thier game. akido though....is straight up crap, sorry but its true. atleast with styles like wrestling/judo/bjj/boxing/muay thai, you get to routinely sharpen your skills with a partner who is REALLY resisting and even trying to take you out. please dont take this as an insult, i started my martial arts training at 9 under the george dillman style and was in it for abt 7 yrs so i know bullshit when i see it. as a matter of fact in my 1st street fight i tried to stand up for myself against a bully in 7th grade. it just so happened that he was a wrestler and he walked right through the kick i threw to his head. he slammed me to the ground and punched me in the face repeatedly until people jumped in and pulled him off of me. do yourself a favor and abandon akido asap because u are wasting ur time.
Golden story...people should listen to this kind of stories to wake up. Props for seeing the truth and abandoning ship in time. Some people insist to crap arts just to rationalize their time, money and effort... and just keep on without results...
Nice SHOWY dojo but that’s all that’s good.
Get the bloody socks off!!!
Lower the Hakama!
1. You're not explaining much here. You talk about "lines of movement," getting close and space management. None of these things are unique to aikido, and are a part of any martial art. You demonstrate some flowy techniques on a slow and compliant training partner, but you don't explain why nor do you show how these techniques work against a full-speed, fully-resisting opponent. You offer no justification for how aikido's methods for dealing with movement and distance are effective.
2. You talk about not wanting to hurt your opponent. Assuming you manage to implement your techniques, you are definitely going to hurt him. Full-speed joint locks and throws cause serious injuries. Do aikido ukes never get hurt in training? Surely they do, even when they doing the techniques at slower-than-a-real-fight speeds, when they know how they are supposed to turn and roll to avoid injury. IF you manage to do these things against someone who isn't experienced with ukemi, surely you it's more likely than not that they will be injured.
3. The efficacy of aikido techniques is, at best, unproven. It's one thing to say, "I haven't tested it, but I think this MIGHT work." That leaves open the possibility that you will be proven wrong. It's completely different to say, "I haven't tested it, but I am VERY CONFIDENT that this will work." Other martial arts have proven what they are and are not good at in real fights against fully-resisting opponents. Aikido has not done this.
If you are selling something to people and you are not giving them what they paid for, then you are committing fraud. If someone comes to you and asks, "If I pay you for lessons, will I learn techniques that are effective self-defense?" and you answer with "yes," then you had better teach them techniques that really are effective for self-defense. If aikido is effective for self-defense, where is the evidence? How can you know that you are right, if your ideas have not been tested?
Lobo Rojo i have friends that practice aikido and are black belts, aikido works in self defense, this guys were attacked several times and with their aikido they defend there selves, it depends on how you use aikido, many military association and police use aikido.
Your comment is really interesting on many aspects. As an Aïkido student, allow me to answer some of your remarks.
1. True. The uke is compliant and true, it is not full speed, and I strongly believe that it would have been great to see Aïkido in full action. My sensei uses full-speed and we are always asked to be sincere when we attack.
2. As an Uke myself while my sensei wants to demonstrate a technique, I can tell you that locks, controls, throws and falls hurt... and can injure. (I was badly injured myself, had to stop for 2 years before being able to train again.) But this is a martial art that tries to "go with" not "against". The attacker (in the street) wants to hurt, sometimes, kill, so if we use Aïkido principles, we follow the movements and in fact, the attacker "hurts himself". The aim is to stop the attack not by punches and kicks and "finish him off", but by using his own movements, give him back his own intentions.
3. Aikido is the only martial art without competition. So there is nothing to prove. A bit tough maybe, but I wish to explain why you will never see "proof". Moreover, I think it's very important to never underestimate a discipline called martial art. Because it was developped through war time and were meant to kill but also stay alive.
2. "Going with" the attacker would be to let the attacker do what they want to do. Aikido isn't really about doing this. The attacker isn't hurting himself. The attacker certainly doesn't want his joints twisted in painful ways. The attacker wants his wrists, elbows, and shoulders to go one way, and the akidoka is the one attempting to move them in a different direction.
3. Not true. Many schools of karate don't compete. The same is true of most wing chun & kung fu, tai chi, and other less well known arts. And aikido does have some competitions, but they are very uncommon (and it looks like really bad judo). But even when there is intra-art competition, it isn't being proven effective against other arts. Judo, brazilian jiu jitsu, wrestling, boxing, full contact karate, silat, savate, muay thai... these have all demonstrated a great deal of effectiveness against fully-resisting opponents from other arts, over and over and over again. Aikido has not done that. In fact, AikidoSiauliai just released a video where he spars with an mma fighter. The mma fighter, at reduced speed & power, using only very basic fighting techniques, completely dominates him.
It also makes no sense to show reverence for a martial art simply because it may have been developed for war. First, war is a group effort. It is not a 1-on-1 fight. War has tactics based on weapons and other technology, terrain, objectives, the capabilities of the enemy, and a whole list of other things not applicable to individual self-defense.
Fighting is no different from any other physical endeavor. You can theorize all you want about what you think would work. But until you try it out realistically, you won't know if you're right or wrong.
Maybe you have come up with a novel way of jumping up and throwing a big orange ball through a metal hoop that is 10 feet high off the ground, and you've been practicing it for years. That's fine. But until you try that technique in an actual basketball game, you don't know if it will work when it counts. And nobody would believe you that the technique works until you had proven it in that way. But when it comes to fighting, people are quick to believe unproven theories about what techniques and tactics are effective. It makes absolutely no sense.
If aikido is really effective, then there is no reason in this day and age for there not to be ample proof of it.
Lobo Rojo 2. “The attacker doesn’ want his joints and elbows to be twisted in a painful way..” That’s for sure. “Only” wants to injure (with punches, or baseball stick, or knife), rape, kill.
When I say “hurt himself”, it was some illustration not a real thing. Of course, they’re not stupid enough to hurt themselves but nasty enough to hurt the others.
When I say “going with”, it’s not let the attacker do. Whatever the martial art is, you will never hear about it. Aïkido is a martial art of defense. It would be a mistake to not protect our own life when in danger. “Going with” means to follow the direction, the waves they started and to throw all of it back to them. Defense.
3. I don’t mention schools. I talk about disciplines. There is competition in Karate, Taekwondo, Judo, Muay Thaï, and many others. You can see these in Olympic Games, for example. (No criticism in my words.) Not Aïkido. Shodokan yes, which is another branch of Aïkido, but not Aïkido.
The vidéo Aïkido Siaulau made with the MMA fighter was indeed a great thing, humble enough to try. The problem nowadays is that one always asks to compare one with another to see which is the best, which works. MMA means Mixed Martial Arts. All Martial Arts are inspired by others. No one has invented nothing. The whole thing is partnership, even friendship. Nothing to do with domination.
Do you practice Aïkido? (Only a question)
I do not make reverence to martial arts because they were born through war, certainly not. I do know war needs strategy and all the stuff you mention. I explain that it dangerous to underestimate these martial arts where one can break bone, dislocate joints, even bring someone to death by knowing vital points. (Technically speaking). I’ve always made reverence to martial arts because there is more than fights (in a world where everyone calls for fight). The best way to make war is to seek peace. The best way of defense is to avoid the conflict. But of course, this kind of philosophy doesn't fit to many who prefer quarrels.
When we train we work really on how falling, how jumping far, high but above we work on ourselves. We try to reach our limits, push, we do our best not to be the best but to be better in what we do. We try and train harder and harder both mind and body.
Aïkido is effective. I practice it for 7 years now. I’ve felt resistance, power, fluidity, pain, shock, locks. Of course, not all the techniques would work in a street fight. But like any other martial arts. I strongly believe that the best way to be effective in your daily life, whatever happens, is to prepare yourself and study, and stay open-minded.
One last thing, Aïkido is not a thing to sell.
I’m sharing my opinion. I respect yours.
Regards.
man im sorry you spent 7 years practicing aikido for self-defense, you could of used this time studing a mixed martial arts you could actually use against someone other then a person with 0 fighting experience or an angry out of shape woman
This is dancing ... not self defense. Aikido is not for competitions and it's not for the street. Period.. and that's all there is to it. You can't learn how to hit a move if your attacker is giving it to you.
no offensive but akido isn't good for self defense do BJJ it is better sorry even though I don't like akido I like your channel. I'm doing muay thai and Brazilian Jiu jitsu
BJJ is derived from JUDO. Once in Japan there were 2 judoka champions.. One day they went outside the dojo and 10 guy provoked them. 8 out of 10 were knocked the fuck out using atemi(strikes) not throws. You got it? The real deal is Traditional Jujutsu which combines atemi with throws.
BJJ is not a great self defense art. In reality, you go to the ground as a last line of defense -- it is a self defense fail on the street to go to the ground at all -- this is the only time for street fighting BJJ is good self defense -- pretty much when you're already fucked and you already failed on every level -- that's when the BJJ sweeps in to try to save your life.
If you were overwhelmed standing by a single unarmed attacker -- as it is in MMA -- this may pan out for you, unless they decide to hit you with a chair or bar stool or something. But if you were overwhelmed by a few attackers, or an attacker with a knife or something, it's going to be unlikely BJJ will make much difference from here.
I train Aikido and BJJ. Aikido focuses on mobility, planning ahead, leading your attackers focus, minimalist grappling. I also have a lot of Karate training for midrange fighting if needed.
But Aikido pretty much helps me control what phase the fight descends to... I definitely failed to have good self defense if I ever have to use BJJ on the street.
Disgrace. There is no reason to learn only "harmony",cause the real world aint sunsine and rainbows. If you want to use aikido irl,you have to sparr. It's that simple. What do you do when you box? You sparr. If you hit the punching bag without fighting for real will have you get beat up. The key to all martial arts is sparring. Boom. Saved you 15 min of your life.
Did you watch this video: czcams.com/video/0KUXTC8g_pk/video.html
aikido doesn't work for self defence, no one in a street fight will wait for your movement
This video is another dog and pony show with a compliant attacker.
kickbox until u get in range for muay thai then take this guy down beat him up hell give his back and rnc all day
always works ...
So, in other words, use several arts to beat one and then call it a fair fight. Got it.
seems good but can't see much with all that clothing,
Poor aikido instructor. 3rd Dan? Never. Shodan at very best.
Aikido is BS. Even if it is marginally effective its less effective than several other fighting styles. Why would anyone choose the least effective form of anything?
Because it is easier. Effective styles hurt and bruise your ego. With aikido you think you kick ass...until of course you actually try to fight with it...
If you train at an Aikido dojo where they actually resist the throws (such things do exist) it forces you to get better to get the techniques to work. Sensitivity, timing, awareness of posture and balance... all of which will transfer to some extent to Judo and BJJ.
There is arming yourself with techniques, and then there is forcing yourself to grow as a martial artist. I'd say Aikido is the second of the two, although a few Aikido techniques are pretty effective. Especially Nikkyo and Kotegaeshi
Makes a video titled "Aikido That Works "....does exactly the same ineffective techniques as any other aikidoka...
Intellectual NinjaMonkey no, the difference is he try to close the distance inmediately: 6:00
I think before trying to apply aikido for sel-defense you should learn some basics of aikido. You can not learn how to run before you learn how to walk. I am not much experience in aikido but even I see a lot of things that are not "good" in your aikido.
First of your movement-> the basic and essence of aikido. You hardly move your hips and your leg movement is not correct. Your feet are stepping instead of sliding, angles of the movement are not correct... The way you move your solders and back is not correct as well. There is no power in your stance when you execute technique. If you stop at some random point you can be easily tilted at any side. I am writing this because you seem like a nice guy. Most likely you just had a bad lack and had not very good aikido instructors ( dan rank does not mean much in aikido since there is no competition) . I would suggest you look up "tendoryu" style for dynamic movement. "Yoshinkan" style for the correct angles. "Iwama" style for correct techniques. You can find many videos on youtube and you can compare your movement, angles, shoulders, back posture, hip movement,zanshin with these videos and you should easily spot the difference. In all these styles you can find people who directly learned aikido from source so you can ignore that the style name is different. Things that are common to all these styles are-> proper zanshin, hip movement, angles and distance management
Daito ryu aiki-jujutsu is also pretty useful. Aikido came from Daito ryu.
Total and utter BS. None of these guys have ever been in a real fight
too much talk
Life is incredibly short. Your martial art system is inferior to several other martial arts. The principles you preach are not tested, and cannot be demonstrated in a live situation.
For example, in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu the principals can be tested in "rolling". Against an opponent who is trying to control you. Yes, it is limited to only grappling.....but how could you possible develop to sensitivity to detect shifts in weight and where you are applying effective pressure to move and control your opponent if you can't even do that against an opponent not throwing strikes? Imagine how screwed you would be if they could! It takes years to develop this ability.
It's incredibly painful to admit the years you have spent have been mostly ineffective. I took traditional Karate for a decade in youth, the year spent doing BJJ has been much more valuable.
Everything your doing to your partner is because they are complying to the point where they are just going full "wet noodle". It's due to an unyielding loyalty and respect, that is blinding to both parties.
The spinning of the body by the wrist and arm is just ridiculous. Just think about the mechanics of the body....how are you going to control a human being by the end point of the lever that is his arm?
Matthew Duncan it can be tested, there are Aikido championships.
Can be tested in BJJ as well. Surely BJJ-for-a-year guy knows wristlocks are viable submissions from guard?
I've hit Nikkyo from standing rolling. I kid you not. Only once... but it was a pure Aikido technique as a submission against a Jiujitsuka in a live roll :)
In large part because Jiujitsu guys don't see that coming, because they don't train it. But it still worked, and it still tapped the guy.
You know that your martial art is a joke because 90% of the time you begin a video with "I know a lot of people think aikido id ineffective". Well shit. Maybe they are right
Haha...agree...had you ever heard "I know a lot of people think boxing is ineffective..."
They are right check out aikido vs mma this guy gets owned
A lot of people think BJJ is ineffective. Plenty of people balk at the notion of fighting from your back.
Doesn't mean BJJ is ineffective. It just means that people who don't understand what they're looking at -- may see a fighting art they think is making a lot of bad choices... because they don't yet fully understand what they're looking at.
Kevin Phillips BJJ is used in MMA a lot. Ineffective?
I cross train BJJ and Aikido. I don't think either art is ineffective. My point was, any art that does something off the beaten path (IMO fighting primarily from your back is off the beaten path) you're going to have a lot of people who don't understand and assume the art won't work or isn't smart.
Aikido is definitely off the beaten path as well. Anything that isn't wrestling/judo/kickboxing/karate/tkd/muay thai/maybe Kung Fu... is off the beaten path. I'd say Capoeira is off the beaten path as well.
Bullshit doesn't work he got owned in sparring by an mma guy who wasn't even trying
that was ages ago as a learning experience
Never forget, when a guy who knows four arts beats the guy who knows one art, it's always that the one art sucks.
Like when a guy who knows BJJ, Judo, Muay Thai and Karate beats a guy who knows Boxing. It's because Boxing sucks.
Kevin Phillips excellent use of sarcasm (Aikido in words).
very excellent. thank you as always!😉
Thanks Troy :)