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  • čas přidán 4. 10. 2021
  • The Myasishchev M-50 'Bounder' was a rare Soviet Air Force four-jet engine supersonic strategic bomber prototype conceived to strike against the Americans in case the Cold War escalated.
    The M50 was equipped with four engines and enough fuel to handle strategic strike capabilities with a range of up to 10,000 kilometers. It was also capable of achieving speeds of almost 2,000 kilometers per hour, and was armed with an arsenal of lethal M61 cruise missiles.
    However, the M50 revealed a lack of understanding of supersonic flight, and the rise of intercontinental ballistic missiles and the initial victories of the Soviets during the Space Race soon became a priority for the Russian industry.
    Stalin himself approved the development of the Bounder, but it came at a considerable cost.
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Komentáře • 610

  • @noecarrier5035
    @noecarrier5035 Před 2 lety +105

    If anyone is looking for info on the notional armament of the Bounder, like I just was, the M-59 and M-61 cruise missiles were also paper projects that never got anywhere. They were supersonic cruise missiles that resembled the large, winged creations like the relatively contemporaneous Hound Dog and Snark missiles, but there are only some basic technical diagrams and footnote references. The whole thing was only ever developed in a very limited way.

    • @rockbutcher
      @rockbutcher Před 2 lety +4

      I wish I'd read this first before I wasted almost an hour looking! Thanks for clarifying this.

    • @noecarrier5035
      @noecarrier5035 Před 2 lety +3

      @@rockbutcher You're welcome, I was trying to spare fellow aficionados of Soviet weapons tech the irritation. I'd never heard of those before and they're not in many web sources. The M- designation should have been a clue for me, same designer as the Bounder.

    • @paulkellman5477
      @paulkellman5477 Před 2 lety +6

      I've got some additional information courtesy of literature. The M-61 is mentioned by Yefim Gordon in Soviet X-Planes, and is described as being 11 meters long, as mentioned in the video. But what's not mentioned is that this forced an exorbitantly long Weapons Bay onto the M-50/52, moving the now primary weightbearing rear truck to the tail, which created takeoff problems. Additionally Gordon states that the M-50/52 could to carry 4 Kh-22s ''scabbed onto the fuselage semi-externally in pairs", which is the provisions for additional missiles mentioned in this video.

    • @caribman10
      @caribman10 Před 2 lety +3

      @@noecarrier5035 Well said, "Noe". By the way, the USAF unofficially called the M-50 "The Bullshit Bomber". The speed figures given here are "notional", which means meaningless in the real world. And any idea of range should be answered by the lack of external fuel tanks. No strategic bomber of the era could do without them, this one included.

    • @noecarrier5035
      @noecarrier5035 Před 2 lety +3

      @@paulkellman5477 Nice one! Thanks for the info. I was imagining those giant things mated to the exterior, like how the Hound Dogs were deployed on B-52s slung under the wings, and it perhaps having the capability to carry two.
      For a whole five minutes at maximum thrust! It's a very ambitious design, to put it mildly.

  • @badkittynomilktonight3334
    @badkittynomilktonight3334 Před 2 lety +262

    This always reminded me of something out of a Thunderbirds episode.

  • @danielknauss5019
    @danielknauss5019 Před 2 lety +46

    As a pilot, those wingtip mounted engines would scare the heck out of me. I can only imagine how much rudder it would have taken to hold a heading had you lost the #1 or #4 engine at V1.

    • @ivankrylov6270
      @ivankrylov6270 Před 2 lety +2

      The word "flutter" makes me clench diamonds with that design...

    • @BobbyGeneric145
      @BobbyGeneric145 Před 2 lety +1

      That first v1 cut during your 2nd training flight in the plane... Yikes!

    • @Siddich
      @Siddich Před 2 lety +6

      @@BobbyGeneric145 in soviet russia, pilots not afraid. in soviet russia, plane is afraid!

    • @onkcuf
      @onkcuf Před rokem +1

      Roger that.

    • @smgdfcmfah
      @smgdfcmfah Před rokem

      I feel like it would be better to cut the other outboard engine if one quit (assuming the aircraft is still flightworthy!).

  • @WildBillCox13
    @WildBillCox13 Před 2 lety +90

    The understanding lacked by Soviet Aerodynamicists when they laid out the original M-50 design was the idea of the "Area Rule". We discovered the same limitation with our F102 2nd Gen Jet Fighter.
    From the wiki:
    "A member of the Century Series, the F-102 was the USAF's first operational supersonic interceptor and delta-wing fighter. It used an internal weapons bay to carry both guided missiles and rockets. As originally designed, it could not achieve Mach 1 supersonic flight until redesigned with area ruling."
    Note that the F102 would have been the enemy the Bounder would have to face if the cold war went hot.

    • @Ushio01
      @Ushio01 Před 2 lety +9

      Within less than 5 years of the F-102 entering service the F-101B and F-106 were available and both would have been in service before the M-50.

    • @Idahoguy10157
      @Idahoguy10157 Před 2 lety +7

      @@Ushio01 …. Except the F-106 only augmented the F-102, not replaced it. With Soviet ICBMs in service replacing them all wasn’t worth it. The first challenge to Soviet intercontinental bombers were RCAF F-101 Voodoo.

    • @alexlo7708
      @alexlo7708 Před 2 lety +3

      Area rule is nonsense. But it played vital role when early jet engines lack its power.

    • @ylstorage7085
      @ylstorage7085 Před 2 lety +4

      right, mig31 and sr-71 all follow this "Area Rule".

    • @kbanghart
      @kbanghart Před 2 lety +10

      @@alexlo7708 except it wasn't nonsense because it worked.

  • @skyden24195
    @skyden24195 Před 2 lety +107

    "Stalin approved, but it came at a cost."
    -yeah, that seems to be Stalin doctrine on anything he approved.

    • @crankychris2
      @crankychris2 Před 2 lety +3

      Imagine being in the group that opposed Stalin's plans, calling them 'stupid, vulgar, ansd idotic',

    • @madladofabrit2439
      @madladofabrit2439 Před 2 lety +1

      @@crankychris2 what group? lmao

  • @vinniemoreno704
    @vinniemoreno704 Před 2 lety +82

    Fantastic footage of the parade flybys.Imagine the pride and thrill to see those monster's overhead,then imagine the fear of other nations.I have always enjoyed Russian aircraft but it was a Cold War story well veiled that I can now enjoy thru this awesome channel.Job well done on The fantastic M-50!

    • @gandydancer9710
      @gandydancer9710 Před 2 lety +4

      Actually, it's trash. Some nice video, often completely irrelevant to the subject (showing random GTA missiles while talking about ICBMs is typical), and complete howlers in the nartration (Soviet nuclear weapons acquired by abducting German scientists, anyone?). Plus there's the overwrought nattation style.... SMH. Next on this channel: Flying Saucers from Space!

    • @vinniemoreno704
      @vinniemoreno704 Před 2 lety +16

      @@gandydancer9710 You feel better? I encourage you to make a better one.

    • @TheTmieBandit
      @TheTmieBandit Před 2 lety +8

      @@gandydancer9710 uh oh, someone offended the american~

    • @gandydancer9710
      @gandydancer9710 Před 2 lety +3

      @@TheTmieBandit It's telling that there's no refutation of anything I said in the responses by the brown-nosers.

    • @leonidyevseyev888
      @leonidyevseyev888 Před 2 lety +2

      Vinnie Moreno - "The fantastic M-50!" - you are marveling the tool that was built to destroy you and your family and raise your neighborhood in nuclear dust. Are you guys insane? - this soviet crap should go to hell and under!

  • @SethBondArtist
    @SethBondArtist Před 2 lety +26

    Thank you for playing back your voice in real time. It makes you easier to understand.

    • @PHOBOS1708
      @PHOBOS1708 Před 2 lety +4

      true but still pretty fast✌️🤔

    • @robertalaverdov8147
      @robertalaverdov8147 Před 2 lety +3

      Put speed at 1.25 for nostalgia purposes.

    • @donaldfrankcheadlejr.1244
      @donaldfrankcheadlejr.1244 Před 2 lety +1

      I never even noticed man it never felt fast to me

    • @robozstarrr8930
      @robozstarrr8930 Před 2 lety +1

      ... set it for 0.25 to view that atomic blast . . . you could still understand him!

    • @olorin1710
      @olorin1710 Před 2 lety +4

      I hate his Ben Shapiro delivery. Not because of the political views but because voice is so annoying .

  • @johannmckraken9399
    @johannmckraken9399 Před 2 lety +10

    First time I saw a photo of this aircraft I fell in love with it’s design. Shame the engines just weren’t powerful enough and guzzled fuel.

  • @Unclefacts
    @Unclefacts Před 2 lety +68

    Soviet plane designer: 'Is same as Hustler. You pull lever, very fast, is good!"

  • @sseim5654
    @sseim5654 Před 2 lety +29

    The Soviets struck gold when they discovered the trouble(s) with delta winged aircraft, and resolved by incorporating a stabilizer into a delta winged airframe. This is true Soviet/Russian aero pragmatism and practicality in high form. The Mig 21 success story is based on this. Carrying the hybrid form factor to M-50 size of course made sense, and the culture of that period permitted very exotic designs and projects. They took the chance. So many projects of that era were very design bold. What might have happened if the M-50 actually did get the engines it was designed for? Might it have become the base for a Russian SST? Again, if they had the engines called for, I would easily guess greater attention would be paid to area ruling over time, subsequently applied to civilian transport. Imagine the airframe as an airliner today with tip mounted engines that feature thrust vectoring. Talk about vortice management. The M-50 to a point was on it, way ahead of its time. Here's one for you to research. Check out the full history of the Boeing HSCT. (High Speed Civil Transport) Concept drawings of airframes of mach 3 - 6 would remind one of the M-50. Great post.

    • @joehuelskamp9711
      @joehuelskamp9711 Před 2 lety +3

      I agree but they only needed for just the once .,., Goodbye Europe.,...all depending on the wind ,, they will bucker down , an how bout our town? No Bees no pollination no earth , once again , no WINNER,,,., Can't stay down in your protected ???? Shelter for ever ,,. ,.an where's the earth , no more mammals , not even a fly ? ERADICATED ,!¡!!! But , it will still look green , ..if you look for it , the sky , not so much!!! Know watch you gonna DUE ..start inbreeding, cannibalism , before that , you thought u could rule the World.,,,, lol happy Halloween

    • @sseim5654
      @sseim5654 Před 2 lety

      @@joehuelskamp9711 Well, if this is your reaction/response to 50-60's Soviet aero design (Not accounting for purpose of course; design exclusively) I say bully to you sir. Bully.

    • @samfosdick9874
      @samfosdick9874 Před 2 lety

      Well said my friend!

    • @Harlequin43
      @Harlequin43 Před 2 lety

      @@sseim5654 > bully to you sir. Bully.
      What does this mean?

    • @wildancrazy159
      @wildancrazy159 Před 2 lety

      It means you like bullies, Like the Soviets. It's a old time put down, for those who liked to be put in a subservient position to a master! Sad really.
      I hope you recover from such usage.
      J/K it's a term from the turn of the 19th century to the 20th. Popularized by the Great American president Theodore Roosevelt to show both satisfaction and admiration.
      Sorry for the joke, I was imagining all those who study history or Teddy or both, mashing of teeth and the the expelling of invectives my way.
      I laughed heartily at their imagined anger...

  • @sidefx996
    @sidefx996 Před 2 lety +20

    "Easily shot down plenty of B-29's" isn't really accurate. While they were obviously extremely vulnerable a total of 16 were shot down by Mig-15's throughout the entire war. B-29's also shot down at least twice as many Mig-15's. Total losses from all causes was less than 1 per 1,000 sorties so for an older design B-29's and their crews still performed extremely well in Korea.

    • @kennethdeanmiller7324
      @kennethdeanmiller7324 Před 2 lety +1

      That is pretty awesome that the B-29s took down THAT MANY fast moving Mig 15s.

  • @paulfrantizek102
    @paulfrantizek102 Před 2 lety +29

    Given the weight balance issues the MiG21 had, I can only imagine what a nightmare this must have been.

  • @Retronyx
    @Retronyx Před 2 lety +25

    Something about soviet plane design look so shape and fierce.

    • @-CLUMSYDIYer-
      @-CLUMSYDIYer- Před 2 lety +5

      I love it when something looks like shape!

    • @bigblob1623
      @bigblob1623 Před 2 lety +3

      Yeah this plane looks cool as hell!

    • @donaldfrankcheadlejr.1244
      @donaldfrankcheadlejr.1244 Před 2 lety +3

      I'm a big fan of the more recent sukhois, flanker and felon especially, there's a very unique look to them

    • @taproom113
      @taproom113 Před 2 lety +1

      @@donaldfrankcheadlejr.1244 Agree, the Su-57 Felon is a work of Art! It's very capable but Very expensive. Not sure Ivan can afford to build many of them ... ^v^

  • @jondavey5407
    @jondavey5407 Před 2 lety +1

    I have a picture of me standing in front of this aircraft at the air force museum in Monino in about 2 feet of snow with a giant smile on my face. To be honest, I had no idea what it was until now. Thank you so much for doing this. I’m so glad to finally know.

  • @user-ut2ln8eb1e
    @user-ut2ln8eb1e Před rokem +1

    Great design, glad that the prototype was preserved.. Beautiful airframe. I love the early and mid cold war aircraft..

  • @tHaH4x0r
    @tHaH4x0r Před 2 lety +25

    It looks gorgeous

    • @dougball328
      @dougball328 Před 2 lety +1

      This design has a fatal flaw. If the wingtip engine unstarts while at supersonic speeds I can guarantee you it will yaw and roll out of control and break up.

    • @darthvader5558
      @darthvader5558 Před 2 lety +1

      @@dougball328 also the Russian engines aren't reliable

  • @xx_insert_cool_username_he6876

    In America: Plane obey laws of Physics
    In Soviet Russia: Physics obey laws of Plane

  • @Zoydian
    @Zoydian Před 2 lety +5

    Great design, glad that the prototype was preserved.

  • @alkh3myst
    @alkh3myst Před 2 lety +40

    USA: "Let's spend decades coming up with more and more vastly expensive military projects that we know are a dead end. We expect the Soviets will copy us and lose money they don't have. Sooner or later, they'll simply go broke"
    USSR: "Challenge accepted!"

    • @warrior3614
      @warrior3614 Před 2 lety

      The USSR did not go broke it was destroyed by traitors from within and that's a lie that the west trying to say that the USSR economy was poor. How can USSR be broke if it could just print money just like America does today. American economy is trillion in debt and yet it does not go bankrupt how they just print more money. USSR could do the same thing since they had their own currency. USSR economy was growing steadily at a slower rate compared to American economy. But the American economy had it issues also with 8 recession same as depression in its economic the USSR had none.

    • @warrior3614
      @warrior3614 Před 2 lety +2

      USSR should have kept increasing the investment into their economy to raise the GDP per person to match the US but they put too much money into military that was one mistake and the USSR had a lot of economic mistakes just like the US. It just the US could turn into a hybrid western communism economy where the US government just gives out EBT cards, food stamps, increase welfare system spending, keeps bailing out large companies like banks or auto industry instead of letting them fail and go bankrupt like a true free competition economy. What happened to the idea of the strongest survives or the free market idea and government should not interfere.

    • @alkh3myst
      @alkh3myst Před 2 lety +1

      @@warrior3614 Please learn about the Bretton Woods Agreement of 1944. This convention games the system of international trade to keep the US dollar perpetually in worldwide circulation, which largely prevents inflationary spirals like the one Greece went through, and the one that is ruining Venezuela. The same thing would have happened in the USSR, and it's a credit to your former country's leadership that they must have realized this.

    • @whoiamtheonlyone
      @whoiamtheonlyone Před 2 lety +1

      @@warrior3614 Не зря говорят - хорошие вещи не разваливаются... Какие уж там "traitors from within"! Распад Союза был делом времени, что обуславливалось социальными и экономическими аспектами его существования. И корыстные желания действующих элит, пусть даже подпитываемые извне, могли быть только сопутствующим но уж никак не определяющим фактором. При это стоит помнить, что моральный облик массового числа этих самых предателей, мнимых и настоящих, были сформированы в условиях советской действительности, что тоже на многое намекает. Но, обобщая, можно отметить, что вызовы, с которыми столкнулся Союз на последнем этапе своего существования, явились результатом непродуманной экономической и социальной политики, проводимой фактически с самого образования государства. В итоге заложенные и накопленные дефекты в конце концов сдетонировали и привели не просто к очередной рецессии, как это бывает на западе, но к полноценному экзистенциальному кризису политической системы, из которого она так и не вышла. Задачи, которые стояли в то время перед политиками, попросту не могли быть решены в рамках той парадигмы, которая идеологически и политически действовала в стране. Не могли быть решены без глубокой и всесторонней модернизации, на которую так до конца и не отважились. Предпосылки и причины распада СССР лежат в многих плоскостях. Аргументы в сторону конкретных лиц - "предателей" - это лишь удобный пропагандистский штамп, который приводит нас к аргументации типа ad hominem: мол, в стане всё было в целом нормально, а за её развал ответственны конкретные люди. А между тем в стране всё было отнюдь не нормально, и именно в этом кроются корни её распада.

    • @edbrackin
      @edbrackin Před 2 lety +1

      @@warrior3614 I am guessing you were not alive during this timeframe.

  • @deepwoods_dave7368
    @deepwoods_dave7368 Před 2 lety +3

    Never heard of this aircraft. Thanks for the video. Also, thanks for slowing down your voice speed somewhat, makes it a bit more enjoyable.

  • @jstenberg3192
    @jstenberg3192 Před 2 lety +1

    Your episodes are getting better and more error free. This channel is getting traction! I'd recommend getting a group of volunteers to review the script then preview a draft.

  • @TheTmieBandit
    @TheTmieBandit Před 2 lety +5

    regardless of it's ability to actually function, it's a damn gorgeous airplane.

  • @freundschaft870
    @freundschaft870 Před 2 lety +1

    This Channel is amazing. So many great footage and information. I can't even believe how he finds most of this stuff!! Amazing, and thank you!!

  • @nathanchildress5596
    @nathanchildress5596 Před 2 lety +9

    Awesome stuff Dark! I love your narration and I know you do a great job of finding footage for rare aircraft; some people act like you can just get an hour of footage off Getty or something

    • @gravit8ed
      @gravit8ed Před 2 lety

      SOME PEOPLE think that maybe the videos don't need to be 10 minutes long, with 5 minutes of repeated video clips while he narrates what we're seeing on the clips we've already seen 15 times in 5 minutes. DERP maybe if original video can't be found, the video itself shouldn't be 10 minutes. Narration that literally repeats itself just to stretch video and view times are clickbaity as hell.

    • @h.cedric8157
      @h.cedric8157 Před 2 lety +2

      @@gravit8ed really now?
      Perhaps you can do a better job looking for soviet footage of soviet era bombers or any classic footage for the related topi that is not owned by a selfish company named "Critical Past LLC" that charges beyond $200 per Footage with an indemnifiable licences.
      Have some lateral thinking.

  • @wearetomorrowspast.5617
    @wearetomorrowspast.5617 Před 2 lety +3

    Cool vid.
    These Dark channels are turning out to some of the best on here.

  • @chopper7352
    @chopper7352 Před 2 lety +11

    Some great Cold War content. & here we are now in 2021 ...& back into another 'Cold War'.

    • @Ushio01
      @Ushio01 Před 2 lety +1

      One big difference no one can afford the huge cold war era production runs so a hot war won't last long before attrition forces everyone to the negotiation table.

    • @kbanghart
      @kbanghart Před 2 lety

      @Brian Roome what civil War is about to start? Please explain.

  • @josephd.5524
    @josephd.5524 Před 2 lety +2

    What a gorgeous machine. Straight out of a 1930's era space adventure comic.

  • @texasbeast239
    @texasbeast239 Před 2 lety +4

    It looks like a custom Estes model rocket that a kid cobbled together with the leftovers at the bottom of his spare parts box.

    • @John_Redcorn_
      @John_Redcorn_ Před 2 lety +3

      Not far off from what it probably was. Lol

  • @N911GT2
    @N911GT2 Před 2 lety +5

    Always great content. Thank you for that!

  • @samfosdick9874
    @samfosdick9874 Před 2 lety +2

    I absolutely love your videos. Back in the 90s there was a show called Wings (about aircraft not the comedy). I could watch them over and over. Same with these...I'm a product of serving in the US military during and after the cold war. I was always (and still am) fascinated with the old Soviet designs and the comparison to the NATO counterparts. With the state of affairs in the world now, it makes me long for the security of the cold war and policy of mutual annihilation. Things were MUCH safer when we knew who our enemies were.

  • @Starfishscalemodeling
    @Starfishscalemodeling Před 2 lety +4

    Without that huge red ellipse in the thumbnail I would not have noticed that plane!

  • @camsmeltzer9388
    @camsmeltzer9388 Před 2 lety +9

    When Stalin mentions you by name.... You have a problem

    • @cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647
      @cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647 Před 2 lety +2

      Dah. with only one exception J Tito, Stalin challenged to a staring contest but Stalin blinked oops and he outlived Stain too another oops despite the attempts on his life a few more oops.

  • @TomasErikssonErnt
    @TomasErikssonErnt Před 2 lety +1

    I'm glad for your international fans that you use the metric system. Keep up the good work 👍👍👍👍

  • @richardmountz3865
    @richardmountz3865 Před 2 lety +17

    Imagine if the outboard engine failed. The thrust vectoring would have been a bear...

  • @longreach207
    @longreach207 Před 2 lety +2

    Fantastic content, thank you!
    I only wish I got the noise from the highlighted aircraft.

  • @elilevine2410
    @elilevine2410 Před 2 lety +4

    Love all these unusual aircraft you present!

  • @sicksixgamer2694
    @sicksixgamer2694 Před 2 lety +4

    Beautiful airframe. I love the early and mid cold war aircraft.

  • @jamesrussell7760
    @jamesrussell7760 Před 2 lety +6

    It's interesting that this M-50 bomber is reminiscent of the B-58 Hustler, albeit with a separate tailplane

    • @alexazarov5215
      @alexazarov5215 Před 2 lety

      Оба эти самолета роднит одно...они были сделаны в условиях когда не было пригодных для них двигателей..поэтому и жизнь у них такая короткая..

  • @brenglover72
    @brenglover72 Před 2 lety +3

    Reminds me of fireball XL5

  • @BrianJ001
    @BrianJ001 Před 2 lety +4

    You mention the Shorts Stirling and ignore the Avro Lancaster!!!

    • @georgebarnes8163
      @georgebarnes8163 Před 2 lety

      A good comparison to the Russian prop bomber since the Stirling was not allowed to be developed/ improved like the Manchester/ Lancaster was.

    • @mickmegson6241
      @mickmegson6241 Před 2 lety

      @@georgebarnes8163 that was largely because the original design had called for a much longer wingspan but it was shortened to allow it to fit in RAF hangers. With the shorter wings it's service ceiling was reduced, it was already slow and had a smaller bomb load than both the Halifax and Lancaster.

    • @georgebarnes8163
      @georgebarnes8163 Před 2 lety +1

      @@mickmegson6241 The Stirling had the same top speed and bomb load as the Lancaster and used the 120 feet wings of the Sunderland flying boat since conception, the hanger story is a myth which claimed to limit wing size to under 100 feet yet the Lancaster had a wingspan of 102 feet on early models and more on the later variants while the Stirling was reduced to a 99 feet wingspan for no good reason other than politics. The Halifax has a wingspan of 104 feet and a smaller bomb load than the Stirling, top speed was the same.

  • @fredhebert3648
    @fredhebert3648 Před 2 lety +4

    Kinda looks like a F104 Starfighter or an X3 Stiletto on steroids

  • @cosak23
    @cosak23 Před 2 lety +5

    at least they are consistent with costly failures, TU144 comes to mind ;)

  • @alanhelton
    @alanhelton Před 2 lety +3

    Competition to the B58 Hustler I am to assume?

  • @tyberious3023
    @tyberious3023 Před 2 lety +1

    The star wars style music was awesome with this video, felt like I was watching Darth Vader flying over

  • @brianhiles8164
    @brianhiles8164 Před 2 lety +4

    Congratulations. This episode doubles my understanding of the technological and historical backstory of this bomber. Where did you find your facts?
    Even the aviation writers of the time had trouble saying anything new, to the extent that Winchester could only say, “The quote that one hears again and again is that this failure showed the lack of understanding implicit in supersonic aircraft,“ as have you now.

  • @jamielacourse7578
    @jamielacourse7578 Před 2 lety +3

    This is a documentary lovers caviar.......amazing!

    • @Red-rl1xx
      @Red-rl1xx Před 2 lety

      Makes you wonder why it has all the dislikes.

  • @teebosaurusyou
    @teebosaurusyou Před 2 lety

    So glad they didn't scrap it as is the fate of many developmental aircraft through history.

  • @Hallnick77
    @Hallnick77 Před 2 lety +4

    @darkskies, you need to do a video of the Vickers Valiant!

    • @robozstarrr8930
      @robozstarrr8930 Před 2 lety

      and that strange looking one at 3:43. . . what is that?

  • @Henkkaassouffle
    @Henkkaassouffle Před 2 lety +3

    I still have one of these in my base.

  • @biomecraft356
    @biomecraft356 Před 2 lety +17

    My first thought seeing the plane was "That looks vaguely like a B-58!"

    • @arvind50
      @arvind50 Před 2 lety +2

      A scaled up hustler.

    • @hawk7825
      @hawk7825 Před 2 lety +3

      The wings and engine configuration

    • @fredrickmillstead6397
      @fredrickmillstead6397 Před 2 lety +2

      And just as useless.

    • @jamesrussell7760
      @jamesrussell7760 Před 2 lety

      @@fredrickmillstead6397 yep, the Hustler was a great design but lacked the range needed for a strategic bomber.

  • @jehb8945
    @jehb8945 Před 2 lety +3

    I want to know is if the design work for the mig 19 and mig-21 were started before or after this.
    Certainly and courtesy of TsAGI area rule AKA wasp waisting would have been known aerodynamic design features necessary for supersonic flight also the wingtip engines are easily the most noticeable no bueno feature of this aircraft
    I mean if this would have had proper area rule and maybe if the wingtip engines would have just been snuck under the outer wings this would have worked
    The fact that they were able to get enough power to even get this beyond the sound barrier with not after burning turbo Jets is still pretty impressive
    This is one of those if they had just done that and tweaked this it would have been an achievement but thankfully just as they were starting to figure things out Khrushchev dumped Siberian ice water on most strategic bomber programs
    On a side note Wikipedia said this thing cruised at 930 miles an hour and last time I checked around 740 mph the speed of sound so 🤔

  • @thenotoriousyumz
    @thenotoriousyumz Před 2 lety +2

    Hi, can you do a Beaufighter video? I'm intrigued by this plane and it seems like it should've been used more, and has some good stories about it's use and would love your approach on it. Thanks.

  • @cmdredstrakerofshado1159
    @cmdredstrakerofshado1159 Před 2 lety +2

    Honestly like the early Northrop Flying wing it design was ahead of technology. The Flying wing needed fly by wire digital computer controls to make it a daily flyer. With the Soviet m50 the real issue was construction materials. today with stronger lightweight composite and man made materials not available in the late 50s the m50 could have been a sucess. Sure fly by wire and more fuel efficient engines would have been great. It was the issues of wing flex and fuel load that caused the cancelation of the m50 . Build it today and I am sure it would work but be expensive as all hell.

  • @tplyons5459
    @tplyons5459 Před 2 lety +4

    I remember building a plastic kit of it when I was a kid. It was called a nuclear bomber as in propulsion

    • @somaday2595
      @somaday2595 Před 2 lety

      Light gray in color made by Aurora if I remember correctly. I had a hard time understanding how nuclear propulsion could be light enough while not killing the crew by radiation to work; The USA's attempt used an NB-36H.

  • @emersonsrandomvideos248

    I think this channel deserves millions of subscribers 🤔
    Very nice content

  • @AndreDiasRJ
    @AndreDiasRJ Před 2 lety

    You are speaking slower than the previous videos. I appreciate that

  • @skippyfpvexperimentalrc6755

    Thanks for the amazing videos and info!!!

  • @SPatrickRoss
    @SPatrickRoss Před 2 lety +3

    Ever notice how those old Soviet bombers look like 50's rocketships?

    • @mlmmt
      @mlmmt Před 2 lety

      This one kinda reminds me of a very large lawn dart...

    • @imxploring
      @imxploring Před 2 lety +1

      I keep looking for the string it's sliding along and the sparkler in its tail! LOL

    • @tumslucks9781
      @tumslucks9781 Před 2 lety

      Soviet bombers were test flown by Crash Gordon!

  • @valezz1096
    @valezz1096 Před 2 lety +2

    Thank You very much for this footage. Very informative ... 10minutes ago, all I knew about it was what my grandfather once told me: "Soviets HAD a 4 engine nuclear capable supersonic monster jet" (his words) ... i guess he wasn't bluffing, even though it's just a prototype.
    Keep up the good work, love your content on this and your other channels.

  • @reynard61
    @reynard61 Před 2 lety +1

    "With the increasing importance of intercontinental ballistic missiles, long-range strategic bombers suddenly became obsolete."
    ✳B-52, B-1, and B-2 designers, builders, crews, support personnel and SAC & ACC Generals howl with laughter✳

  • @rickhughes9734
    @rickhughes9734 Před 2 lety +1

    Have you done a video on the F-107? I’d love to see that.

  • @elizabethbell4697
    @elizabethbell4697 Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you so much for this video. Can we please have one about the Sukhoi T4-Sotka .

  • @rendelbariuan7583
    @rendelbariuan7583 Před 2 lety +2

    Pov : youre here cuz mustard didnt post the video about m50 in yt its only on nebula and u need money to watch his vids.

  • @jerrynewberry2823
    @jerrynewberry2823 Před 2 lety +1

    Needed to raise the elevator to increase stability. Elevator in wing jetstream would adversely affect drag coefficient. Raising would put it in clean air and control would return.

    • @woongah
      @woongah Před 2 lety

      Or lowering it (elevators over the plane of wings can be suscettibile to ”superstall" when the plane reach's higher angles of attack).

  • @foodog3026
    @foodog3026 Před 2 lety +1

    Never knew this existed, great video!

  • @JBofBrisbane
    @JBofBrisbane Před 2 lety

    It was almost an object lesson in how not to build a supersonic bomber. No area rule, for one. It's like the took a Bison fuselage and put the tailed delta planform and a pointy nose on it.

  • @robertmaybeth3434
    @robertmaybeth3434 Před 2 lety +1

    What the former Soviets never said, until decades later if ever, was all the strange and often fatal problems they had trying to fast-track technology they were not fully equipped to exploit. The Flanker bomber, for example, had a potentially catastrophic issue with vibration in the fuselage at certain speeds (in fact Saddam Hussein's own nephew was killed by a Flanker in the 1980's, as in the book "Saddam's secrets".) And plenty of times aircraft were developed at great expense, turned out to be flying failures, but were kept alive merely to deceive the west. Soviet technology could often be good, but no one ever seriously believed they could out-develop the western nations and the reason was simple: In a closed communist system, with limited resources and no profit motive, it was realized even by the Soviets, there were going to be serious limits to what they could achieve. The fundamental reason being there was ultimately not a lot of motivation to take risks with technology. When the "rewards" of success might be something like a fast track to a 450 square foot apartment, but the punishment for failure might result in a failed designer winding up in a Gulag - which Stalin did to people who failed, all the time - it was not hard to understand the general conservatism of most Russian designers from that era.

  • @JungleYT
    @JungleYT Před 2 lety +5

    LOL Looks like a B-58 Hustler... Amazing the thing got off the ground. Have to give Soviet engineers lots of credit for pulling off some of their designs.

  • @lancerevell5979
    @lancerevell5979 Před 2 lety +7

    Showed a lot more Tupolevs than Myas.

    • @Ushio01
      @Ushio01 Před 2 lety +3

      Footage availability is always an issue with prototype or limited run aircraft.

    • @alexlo7708
      @alexlo7708 Před 2 lety

      Tupolev don't do crop delta wing.

  • @grochomarx2002
    @grochomarx2002 Před 2 lety +1

    The Soviet version of the B 58. Cool.

  • @jasonwalding9402
    @jasonwalding9402 Před 2 lety

    I agree with the thunderbirds comment , no country had a hard understanding of supersonic flight.

  • @envitech02
    @envitech02 Před 2 lety

    Unusual for it's time, and even now, are it's bogie nosewheel and wingtip engines. I can only imagine that the nosewheel is hard to steer. Ground taxiing would be difficult. Similarly the wingtip engines present problems of flight handling if either engine were to quit.

  • @huudathot
    @huudathot Před 11 měsíci

    I always enjoy all the "Dark" channels and find them well written and interesting, but this is the first one that didn't seem to align the pictures with the text. One minute you are talking about the M-50 and showing it's almost "Flash Gordon" design, then the next video is of a different huge bomber that looks like a copy of a Comet with engines in the wing roots - while still talking about the M-50. Just a little odd for such a fine series. As always, enjoyed the discussion.

  • @lexion2772
    @lexion2772 Před 2 lety

    Excellent, as always.

  • @lachlanbird9688
    @lachlanbird9688 Před 2 lety

    Thank you for the video report.

  • @iDuckman
    @iDuckman Před 2 lety

    Pictures of two different planes, while talking about M50 - one apparently a swing-wing Backfire? Showing Bear after describing Bison? Consider some still shots to let your visuals and narrative synch up.

  • @Flies2FLL
    @Flies2FLL Před 2 lety +9

    This thing would have been a bitch to fly in an engine-out situation, especially with an outboard engine gone~

  • @sim.frischh9781
    @sim.frischh9781 Před 2 lety

    It´s so fascinating who the technology went from bombers that got constantly bigger and faster to then pretty much being dropped in favor of missiles, as the missiles both became able to transport a serious amount of nukes themselves while also becoming able to intercept and destroy the bombers.
    Good for the crews, given just HOW dangerous some of those bombers were, today the only bombers that are not a leftover of the cold war are stealth ones, basically.
    Newer bombers pretty much do not exist, since the B2 Spirit was introduced there is not a single significant purebred bomber presented globally that i have heard of.

  • @Wideoval73
    @Wideoval73 Před 2 lety

    Very unique and unusual Soviet aircraft...very interesting. Keep up the good work.

  • @lennyamun
    @lennyamun Před 2 lety

    wow, what an impressive plane. this and the b58 hustler. fast. next to the xb70.

  • @300guy
    @300guy Před 2 lety +2

    There is the old adage "If it looks right, it is right!" Dat don't look right.

  • @johncunningham4820
    @johncunningham4820 Před 2 lety

    Now THAT was Very Thunderbirds .

  • @ichabodon
    @ichabodon Před 2 lety

    First time I have heard or seen film of the B50. Interesting

  • @andrewhammel5714
    @andrewhammel5714 Před 2 lety +1

    what do they mean by "cruise missles"? Cruise missles didnt exist until the 1980s. So how could a soviet bomber in Stalin's lifetime have carried "cruise missles"?

  • @stevenkerr1455
    @stevenkerr1455 Před 2 lety

    My favourite looking jet aircraft

  • @jamesappling1212
    @jamesappling1212 Před 2 lety

    Three generations on, these machines are still causing nightmares. Nuclear saber rattling continues to this day.😔

  • @SteveMacSticky
    @SteveMacSticky Před 2 lety

    I remember flying these back then

  • @russelldawkins9094
    @russelldawkins9094 Před 2 lety

    6:41 "trim charges" should be trim changes, I think. Makes a little more sense.

  • @edbrackin
    @edbrackin Před 2 lety +1

    Regardless, it sure is a cool-looking plane.

  • @GAMakin
    @GAMakin Před 2 lety +1

    "... the SOVIET'S scarce undetstanding of supersonic flight..." I'd say they made up for it "smartly" with the MiG-29 Fulcrum (Stormy Petrel) and subsequent variants. It is, in the Russian tradition, a typically complex machine but "easy" (LOL) to fly.
    If you haven't already done so, I'd like to suggest a send-up of the POLIKARPOV I-16 Type 24. It is an "interesting", albeit ungainly, ill-fated casualty to superior German tech. My interest is held by the PK's unique wing chord profile and the forward-looking anti-stall "channel" at the wing root. Although hopelessly underpowered and under-gunned, its maneuverability was remarkable; giving rise to an evasion tactic which would ultimately come to be known as "The Crazy Ivan". This anecdote from the lips of a Russian fighter pilot who flew one (briefly, LOL) against the German Messerschmidt(s) and survived. 🤪

    • @darthvader5558
      @darthvader5558 Před 2 lety +1

      If I'm not wrong-
      The most advance variant of the Mig-29 is the Mig-29 UPG 🤔

  • @Troubleshooter125
    @Troubleshooter125 Před 2 lety +3

    This was a terrific piece on an aircraft I knew next to nothing about. Thanks!
    What I would *LOVE* to see you tackle as it comes to Soviet / Russian planes is that old classic, the TU-95 Bear turboprop bomber. I'm sure there's one hell of a story behind that piece of hardware, never mind all of its variants. How about it?

  • @Hobbes4ever
    @Hobbes4ever Před 2 lety +6

    1:40 uh it wasn't the Germans who helped the Soviets developing nukes

    • @Bozar069
      @Bozar069 Před 2 lety +1

      But its where there early rocket designs came from. They got V2s and nazi rocket scientists just like everyone else.

    • @Mumblix
      @Mumblix Před 2 lety +4

      He meant the rockets. Americans had Operation Paperclip and the Russians had Operation Paperclipchev.

    • @Hobbes4ever
      @Hobbes4ever Před 2 lety +2

      @@Mumblix and project Manhattangrad

  • @viloscohaagen4230
    @viloscohaagen4230 Před 2 lety

    Downward ejection seats are veritable deathtrap.

  • @lebaillidessavoies3889

    I saw this trap at Monino museum , near Moscow , pretty impressive , like the T4

  • @dalenmonroe6526
    @dalenmonroe6526 Před 2 lety

    Pricey stepping stone...

  • @casinodelonge
    @casinodelonge Před 2 lety +2

    The Bounder?? The Brits had the Vulcan, Victor and Valliant, the Russians had the Bounder, The Cad and the Rotter...

    • @winternow2242
      @winternow2242 Před 2 lety

      "Bounder" was a western (probably NATO) codename. I don't know of any airplane called "Cad" and don't know what airplane would have gotten "rotter" there are specific rules for aircraft codenames.

  • @dancahill8555
    @dancahill8555 Před 2 lety

    Kelly Johnson had a concept, a "paper bomber", that looked just like it. It's depicted in the Francillon Lockheed history.

  • @multiversalauthority7142

    What is the music at 0:42?

  • @markalton2809
    @markalton2809 Před rokem

    Looks like something from the Gerry Anderson studios in the 1960s.

  • @jasonz7788
    @jasonz7788 Před 2 lety

    Great work Sir thank you