@@Junior-ck3jq This is a horrible straw man. I haven't seen anyone say they can do it better. They just want the people who are paid to do this at the highest level to do it better.
It wasn’t actually the call that got Jim Joyce banned from calling Armando Galleragha games it was the fact that after the infamous call the two of them co wrote a book about the incident and MLB didn’t want the risk of Bias accusations against him
Thank you for pointing that out. Joyce and Galleraga have both been utter gentlemen about the situation. It's one of my favorite stories about character and humility.
@@SportDawgs yup, and the difference about him and bad umpires is he actually felt bad, guy broke down after when he was being interviewed. loved how Galleragha handled it too even though he lost the immortality of a perfect game
Jim Joyce did him the greatest favor. If he calls that right, it’s a perfect game nobody ever remembers. Now we all talk about it and know it was a perfect game, regardless of the record book
@@joeg5414 Should they retroactively declare Jorge Orta out in Game 6 of the '85 World Series, too? Or declare that Derek Jeter was out on fan interference in Game 1 of the '96 ALCS? It was a bad call but I don't like the idea of changing something that happened after the fact. (And no, this is not remotely comparable to changing a hit to an error or vice versa--that's bookkeeping. It's not taking something that happened and declaring that something different happened--the end result is always the same, that the batter reached base.)
As a Tigers fan, I prefer the blown call. How many pitchers have thrown perfect games and don't get remembered? He will always be known as the guy who got screwed
Also what's it matter now, it's not about the actual no hitter when your talking about it years later, it's the feeling and celebration he would of had with his team, they all got robbed not only him.
The really sad part is that out of the thousands of cases in which umpires deserve discipline, these are the only cases of it actually happening. Furthermore, I don’t even think Joe West (Beltre) or Jim Joyce deserved the discipline for the things here. MLB’s priorities are just beyond fucked up. Especially considering that the Mike Winters case pretty much happens every other week nowadays.
West deserved to be disciplined for making a personal attack on a player. MLB didn't suspend Joyce, they just chose to be careful about his schedule, and it wasn't the first time something like that happened. Whether or not it became public, Ron Luciano was supposedly not scheduled to work Baltimore games because of his poor relationship with Earl Weaver.
@@roberthudson1959 Except that I'm not getting "personal attack" vibes from his comment about Beltre or Beltre's response to it. Beltre's a bit of a goof, and it feels like West might have been making a joke with a seed of truth rather than grinding an axe.
@@roguishpaladin The comment, stripped of its context, has lived beyond the retirement of both men. Beltre may have responded graciously, but the jest should not have been made.
Jim Joyce was not banned from Galarraga games for the blown call. He isn't allowed to participate in those games because Joyce and Galarraga co-authored a book on sportsmanship after the blown call and are now considered business partners.
There's a few umpires that seem almost jealous of the fame that MLB players get. Joe West wanted a piece of that & Angel Hernandez definitely wants fame & glory he thinks he's deserving of. Instead of trying to be the center of attention by one upping the players, maybe he should focus on being the most accurate & fair umpire instead. If he wasn't protected by his union, he would never be able to continue doing the worst possible job any umpire in the history of MLB baseball has ever done. He's not just missing a few calls to be noticed. He's making the wrong call on a huge percentage of pitches
Exactly. You face one batter and then you can go. I don’t know how the whole crew didn’t think for a second and say, “He has to face one batter doesn’t he?”
Angel Hernandez’s three overturned calls in a playoff game cost him the World Series that season, so he was unofficially “suspended” for the rest of the postseason.
Umpires seen to think they are the most important thing on the field and their not and I really can't believe that some of these umps don't get clubbed by a bat.
Jim Joyce was only prohibited from umpiring a game with Galarraga to prevent the appearance of impropriety, since the two of them had a business interest with their book
a game or 2 or 5 or 10.. a season… not enough. These loser umps need to be fired for being dog water at their job.. if I do a bad job at my work I would get fired -they need to be replaced by Hitrax or something
Baseball even has soft insults. "Biggest Complainer in the Sport" wouldn't even warrant a response from pros in most sports, but here it gets the ump suspended? That's just silly.
I have gone to a baseball game just to watch one umpire. Back in the 90s I went to see my cousin Tom Hallion in Atlanta. The Umpire's have many fans that no one understands.
Sam Holbrook should have been banned for ljfe for that blown "outfield fly rule" bs against the Braves in the 2012 wildcard game. Yes, i know it's called the infield fly rule but that ball was nowhere near the infield.
MLB Umpires do not have a clear evaluation matrix for their job retention. We need better-quality umpires who do not just spread their authority to toss out players. Accuracy first than your emotional regulation second. Grow up MLB Umpires or they need mental health training as part of basic umpire training.
Don’t blame west on the first one. If he shoved him hard that’s one thing but you got a guy in his mid 30s screaming point blank at you spitting all over you with dip breath. Barely touched him haha
And your umpires are too old too owl. Shape to be doing this job. You say young guys are young. People can't do this job because they don't have a experience. I'm good, I'll have to just spare something. Then you need to get a camera and computer and put the old far substairs where they belong.
And Angel Hernandez is still untouchable!
Playing the race card. And MLB says no you just suck
There's already plenty of dedicated content about him
Fans have never gone to a game to see the umpires.
But a million armchair umpires are here watching the super slo-mo and replays. Swearing they could do it better.
That's not true. Just ask the umpires!
@@Junior-ck3jq This is a horrible straw man. I haven't seen anyone say they can do it better. They just want the people who are paid to do this at the highest level to do it better.
I do
Unless, you are dressed as an umpire
It wasn’t actually the call that got Jim Joyce banned from calling Armando Galleragha games it was the fact that after the infamous call the two of them co wrote a book about the incident and MLB didn’t want the risk of Bias accusations against him
Thank you for pointing that out. Joyce and Galleraga have both been utter gentlemen about the situation. It's one of my favorite stories about character and humility.
Jim Joyce was a good umpire outside of that bad call. Which he owned it. If we had reviews back then it would of been a perfect game
@@SportDawgs yup, and the difference about him and bad umpires is he actually felt bad, guy broke down after when he was being interviewed. loved how Galleragha handled it too even though he lost the immortality of a perfect game
Oh the Jim Joyce one was so egregious. One of the biggest blown calls of all time.
At least he owned it.
it's ridiculous that the MLB didn't come in and change it.
Jim Joyce did him the greatest favor. If he calls that right, it’s a perfect game nobody ever remembers. Now we all talk about it and know it was a perfect game, regardless of the record book
@@gregwagner9759oh bullsnot. You couldn't name the pitchers name before watching this video. Bad logic.
@@joeg5414 Should they retroactively declare Jorge Orta out in Game 6 of the '85 World Series, too? Or declare that Derek Jeter was out on fan interference in Game 1 of the '96 ALCS? It was a bad call but I don't like the idea of changing something that happened after the fact. (And no, this is not remotely comparable to changing a hit to an error or vice versa--that's bookkeeping. It's not taking something that happened and declaring that something different happened--the end result is always the same, that the batter reached base.)
If they still refuse to overturn Joyce’s call retroactively… at least retcon it as an error and give the poor man a no-hitter…
As a Tigers fan, I prefer the blown call. How many pitchers have thrown perfect games and don't get remembered? He will always be known as the guy who got screwed
Also what's it matter now, it's not about the actual no hitter when your talking about it years later, it's the feeling and celebration he would of had with his team, they all got robbed not only him.
The really sad part is that out of the thousands of cases in which umpires deserve discipline, these are the only cases of it actually happening. Furthermore, I don’t even think Joe West (Beltre) or Jim Joyce deserved the discipline for the things here.
MLB’s priorities are just beyond fucked up. Especially considering that the Mike Winters case pretty much happens every other week nowadays.
West deserved to be disciplined for making a personal attack on a player. MLB didn't suspend Joyce, they just chose to be careful about his schedule, and it wasn't the first time something like that happened. Whether or not it became public, Ron Luciano was supposedly not scheduled to work Baltimore games because of his poor relationship with Earl Weaver.
@@roberthudson1959 Except that I'm not getting "personal attack" vibes from his comment about Beltre or Beltre's response to it. Beltre's a bit of a goof, and it feels like West might have been making a joke with a seed of truth rather than grinding an axe.
@@roguishpaladin The comment, stripped of its context, has lived beyond the retirement of both men. Beltre may have responded graciously, but the jest should not have been made.
Dave Palone disliked Cincinnati’s SS Dave Concepcion. He made that very clear.
Jim Joyce was not banned from Galarraga games for the blown call. He isn't allowed to participate in those games because Joyce and Galarraga co-authored a book on sportsmanship after the blown call and are now considered business partners.
Where's the clip of the umpire who kept staring at Bumgarner instead of checking his hands for sticky substances?
Dan Bellino wasn’t suspended for that, but he should have been.
Joe West did the staredown
There's a few umpires that seem almost jealous of the fame that MLB players get. Joe West wanted a piece of that & Angel Hernandez definitely wants fame & glory he thinks he's deserving of. Instead of trying to be the center of attention by one upping the players, maybe he should focus on being the most accurate & fair umpire instead. If he wasn't protected by his union, he would never be able to continue doing the worst possible job any umpire in the history of MLB baseball has ever done. He's not just missing a few calls to be noticed. He's making the wrong call on a huge percentage of pitches
And your take is worse than any Angel Hernandez blown call ever LOL!!
"1 game for grabbing jersey"
you do that to an ump and MLB will give you a week .. or longer
Was waiting to see Angel Hernandez on one of these, but I guess he doesn't face consequences for his horrible calls
Mike Winters should have been suspended for the rest of the season for baiting. It needs to be done more
The Culbreath one was really mindboggling. How do you allow two pitching substitutions to happen before there was a pitch?
Exactly. You face one batter and then you can go. I don’t know how the whole crew didn’t think for a second and say, “He has to face one batter doesn’t he?”
Baseball is baseball! I love this! 😂
That Galarraga one hurt my damn feelings, not even a Tigers fan. I remember that one clear as day.
Angel Hernandez’s three overturned calls in a playoff game cost him the World Series that season, so he was unofficially “suspended” for the rest of the postseason.
What was Joe West supposed to do with Papelbon, a guy half his age, in his face not letting him move?
Wait for help. He did something he wasn't even supposed to think about doing.
You pull a guy in when you’re trying to get him to move?
Umpires seen to think they are the most important thing on the field and their not and I really can't believe that some of these umps don't get clubbed by a bat.
Bob Davidson always seems to have a sinister smile on his face waiting on the next one to throw out
Him and CB Bucknor.
Jim Joyce was only prohibited from umpiring a game with Galarraga to prevent the appearance of impropriety, since the two of them had a business interest with their book
If you go to any game of any sport and you remember the officials, umpires, judges, etc... then it was not a good game.
a game or 2 or 5 or 10.. a season… not enough. These loser umps need to be fired for being dog water at their job.. if I do a bad job at my work I would get fired -they need to be replaced by Hitrax or something
Wait you mean to tell me these people can actually get punished!?
At this point I might go just to see Angel Hernandez screw something up again
Everyone rightfully shits on Angel Henandez, but it was Joe West who taught him the bones about umping....West was shit, day in day out!
Bob Davidson was a joke of an umpire.
If even the batter is upset for getting called safe from being out,then you know you fucked up.
Never gonna see Angel Hernandez on these...
Baseball even has soft insults. "Biggest Complainer in the Sport" wouldn't even warrant a response from pros in most sports, but here it gets the ump suspended? That's just silly.
I have gone to a baseball game just to watch one umpire. Back in the 90s I went to see my cousin Tom Hallion in Atlanta. The Umpire's have many fans that no one understands.
Was his ass in the jackpot that game?
If we really remember the umps names, they are not doing their job right.
None of these suspensions are adequate. Send 'em home for a few weeks at a time, not single games.
#AbolishUmpireUnionMLB
I believe it is rare to happen to the dodgers.
If MLB retroactively took away perfect games when a dp occurred resulting in only 3 batters that inning, then Galaragga MUST get credit for one.
Do you understand the difference between a perfect game and a no-hitter?
@@dtc8714 He definitely does not know the difference LOL
No angel Hernandez shocking
Jim J0yce should have been demoted to AAA and fined at least $2,500 CDN
Bring on the robots! Please!
The fact this video is only five minutes proves just how good of a union the umpires unfortunately have.
But it does show that eventually you do you get punished.
I wouldn’t really call a one game suspension out of 162 a punishment
glad some things are right]
Sam Holbrook should have been banned for ljfe for that blown "outfield fly rule" bs against the Braves in the 2012 wildcard game. Yes, i know it's called the infield fly rule but that ball was nowhere near the infield.
Umpires should be allowed to do whatever they want with Papelbon.
The Jim Joyce blown call still bothers me to this day.
I don't care for baseball (highlights are cool but games are boring for someone with severe ADHD) and it bothers me
This is what happens when refs and umps don’t have any consequences for their behavior they need to learn that people aren’t there to see them
THAT WAS A VIDEO OF CONSEQUENCES 😂😂😂😂
MLB Umpires do not have a clear evaluation matrix for their job retention. We need better-quality umpires who do not just spread their authority to toss out players. Accuracy first than your emotional regulation second. Grow up MLB Umpires or they need mental health training as part of basic umpire training.
3:25 this is when the Astros started to get away with cheating.
Before the Great Battle of The Trashcan
Bob Davidson was the worst.
Bad umpires are epidemic
Your English is an epidemic.
Why haven’t Angel or CB been suspended indefinitely for their bullshit
Union, duh
Don’t blame west on the first one. If he shoved him hard that’s one thing but you got a guy in his mid 30s screaming point blank at you spitting all over you with dip breath. Barely touched him haha
But if the player did that to Joe he would have been suspended at least 10 games
@@lonnieziegler2868 difference is the umpire usually doesn’t get pissed and sprint at the player, the player always initiates the confrontation
Remember when Jim Leyland blew his stack over an umpire touching his player? That's a good manager
Joe West was the baddest bad-ass of an umpire of all time. No one could take him on, not even a player like Papelbon.
In no other sport are the officials so out of shape and so thin-skinned.
Well I mean, their trunk gets bigger every time they squat 😂
And your umpires are too old too owl. Shape to be doing this job. You say young guys are young. People can't do this job because they don't have a experience. I'm good, I'll have to just spare something. Then you need to get a camera and computer and put the old far substairs where they belong.
This video is all lies no one got suspended
You know google is a thing, right?
I stopped watch all sports because of refs,
Then you’re soft