As a Braves fan, 100%. That game could’ve gone on for another 5-10 since they didn’t have the runner starting on 2nd rule then. But the Braves have also had their share of bad calls like the last one.
The umpire's argument wasn't that the runner beat him, it was that the tag was missed. It appears to be a bad call, but other angles don't show definitively that he was tagged. Basically it appears to be the wrong call but it's not as egregious as it looks on first glance.
They tried. Hernandez sued because the MLB was trying to keep him out of the world series. (Since he was already banned from pee wee, little league, pony league, high school, college and the minor leagues, he'd have nowhere to officiate).
How about when the umps can get in players faces when they make an error. They can be fallible, I guess they want there umps to be perfect. Bunch of overpaid whiners.
They did between 1998 and 2006 due to the infamous 1997 NLCS Livan Hernandez game. After 2007, Selig thought it was negligible. Suddenly, Joe West, Bob Davidson, and Angel Hernandez started making themselves the centers of attention by the end of the 00s.
Hell to the fuck no. It is a game of human error. If the ump’s strike zone is a bit off, that’s ok. Swing if it’s close, that’s the first thing they teach you when you pick up a bat. If you let the ump ring you up on a questionable call, then you should have been swinging at that close pitch. Keep the machines out of the game.
These umpires think that people show up to see them. A good umpire should be never noticed. I love when these umpires show up to games wearing some sort of special arm band or color in support for X. Nobody cares about them, but they just have to make their presence known.
@@tpresto9862 "If you watch the replays." That right there says that it's not nearly as obvious as everyone says it is. Also, are you sure? Because every replay angle tells a very vague story on what happened. If reviews existed back then, it likely would've stood as called. So... safe.
I can forgive an ump if the ball is just off the edge and gets called a strike...but that Joe Nathan pitch was WAY low and WAY outside. That call, along with the one with the Pirates at the end just reek of the umpire wanting to go back to the hotel.
I'd check out the Foolish Baseball video on the subject. It still may not have been correct but definitely calls into question the certainty of the tag and may have been the right call.
To even the score, how about umpires get to chew out the players and throw a fit like a toddler when they make an error. Additionally, call the players “fragile” if they don’t appreciate such a deal.
@@DatChegg There’s a difference between taking criticism and having an asshole manager screaming in your face who’s never been behind home plate in his life.
@corbywant976 I wish you could look me in the face and tell me you believe computers would make the same amount of pitch errors. You'd still be wrong and dumb, but then I could laugh at you.
Umpiring is the only occupation in the history of mankind that I am 3000% ok with being automated by computers. It isn't even that all umpires are bad. So much as it is there isn't a single good one among them.
These MLB umpires must know that AI is being studied as a way of eliminating some of them permanently from the game (to save on costs). The technology exists now. It might help if a new timing rule (we have all of these new clock rules) would require that an umpire cannot actually remove a player from a game until the middle of the next inning after the all important slight that was the ground for the ejection (according to the umpire). That would give them time to cool off and save what reputation some of them have who put their egos before the game. I have always thought that so many of these umpires so wished they could actually play the game instead of judging the players who do that they just have an uncontrollable urge to somehow some way be noticed in the game. Pitiful indeed.
Wouldn't call them robots, but AI technology exists that could replace most umpires completely. It is being looked at. Don't you know the umpires union is pissed at this. But eliminating a few millionaires' jobs should not be that big a deal to improve a sport.
The worst call ever was the "safe" call at first base, on what should've been the final out of the game for the Tigers against my Indians. I didn't want the perfect game against my team, but he earned it. I still can't believe it, to this day. Even the Cleveland announcers couldn't believe it. If they had instant replay at that time, it would've corrected a HUGE mistake.
Remember the first of the worst, Ron Luciano (who later unalived himself)? He admitted in his ghost written "autobiography" that he would intentionally make calls favouring the home team so that games ended early (8 1/2 innings instead of nine).
Hat em or love em, these moments are insanely entertaining and is the exact reason why they haven't implemented reviews for bad calls. It gets people talking, players lose their shit and people get tossed out. It's all for the sake of entertainment.
I was an umpire for a part time job when i was just out of highschool. I can tell you without a doubt that as a lineman its the easiest thing to see a foul ball hot inside the line in fair play. Theae major league umps are horrible. Its almost every official is corrupt.
All players and coaches have every right to be upset at umpires because they just don’t know how to call baseball games the right way! If you don’t want to do your job right then you should just quit before it gets worse
there needs to a change in the game, Teams need to have a IN-GAME way to eject a ump from the game. These PEOPLE are injecting themselves into a game between two teams as PLAYER 3 and completely fucking over teams.
In my admittedly fantasy world, a player will refuse to leave the field, if unjustly ejected. The umpires will forfeit the game to the other team, but the “loosing” team will join their ejected teammate and refuse to leave. The police may arrest everybody, but when the details of the situation get out, Manfred and conpany will be everybody’s favorites #sarcasm. Call me melodramatic and unrealistic, but SOMEBODY has to take the gloves all the way off against these umpires who go on power trips.
god was such a good compilation video until the end. You should remove the last one (as it was the correct call) and re upload. I see that play in so many compilations and it makes people seem like they don't understand how the infield fly rule works. It's the person who camps under the ball not the location of the ball. If the shortstop were to be standing at the warning track and camped underneath a fly ball that would be an infield fly rule. That was the correct call.
You are correct, and the purpose of that rule is to prevent an intentional "mistake" that would turn the play into a double play because players can't leave the bags on a short fly like this. However, the play looks bad because clearly this was not an intentional mistake and they clearly miscommunicated.
I think of batter waited a couple moments call might there way. I say that because umpire might feel they are showing them up by immediately going toward first base. I think also some of these umpires just want the game to end, so they call it a strike to end the game. That umpire threw the catcher out because the ball missed his glove should be fined and suspended. Catcher didn't see umpire was trying to give him the ball.
3:50 i don’t remember who, can probably find it by looking it up, but someone did a full break down of this play and determined that the call was right. There were plenty of camera angles and though it was very close, there was no video confirmation of him actually touching him with the glove. Seemingly easy call but he was in the right calling him out, at least imo
MLB needs to do something about the officiating. I understand that blue is human, and all sports have some question marks, but the officiating in professional baseball is beyond inexcusable
From pro sports to youth athletics. Refs and umps always think they are the most important people on the field. Now don't get me wrong we need them. But check your own personal ego at the door.
you know we are all human and will make mistakes,now with that said if i was this bad a my job i would be fired,,, umps need replaced with radar maybe keep them on bases but todays refs are making the same mistakes time and time again,not to mention the ones that are getting a kick back
Braves have always been screwed over by the refs in the biggest moments. Refs have a thing for the Braves or something. That that 2nd to last video it was later ruled that it was actually a great call the catcher missed the tag, should have keep his glove there would have gotten him.😂
3:40 I will die on this hill. He's safe. Catcher absolutely whiffs the tag. If you're a professional athlete, the least you can do is your job, which is to tag the fuckin guy
I certainly wouldn't die on that hill, but it is definitely possible the tag was missed. It's way too close to tell. In any case, that play shouldn't be featured in bad umpiring videos.
Apparently baseball doesn't like attracting new fans. Why on Earth would I want to watch a game where the Umpire has to be held back from the players. What is the matter with all you baseball people why would you put up with that
@@crimsonknight7011 Unless the umpire union has many photos of baseball owners with goats, the union really cannot stop this. A new contract when the old one expires can say most anything. It is like a rule change.
I'm starting to believe MLB is nothing more than WWE. There is no way on God's green earth you can justify this kind of incompetence with 0 accountability. Unless, it's in the script!!! This is why I've stopped watching.
@1:06 Transcript Holt: "God" - (looks at ump's face) "D*MN IT" * tossed * Holt: "I didn't say anything to you!" Holt: "That's a f*cking ball" Announcer: "Holt is trying to indicate to Joe West he wasn't yelling at HIM, he was angry at himself" Sure, because when I'm angry at myself I yell "that's a f*cking ball" at the ump
I love in that first clip, the pitcher can't even believe the call.
umpire had money on the game !!!!
What happened in that call at the plate was that it was the bottom of the 19th inning and the Ump wanted to go home.
As a Braves fan, 100%. That game could’ve gone on for another 5-10 since they didn’t have the runner starting on 2nd rule then. But the Braves have also had their share of bad calls like the last one.
The umpire's argument wasn't that the runner beat him, it was that the tag was missed. It appears to be a bad call, but other angles don't show definitively that he was tagged. Basically it appears to be the wrong call but it's not as egregious as it looks on first glance.
When are refs and umps going to be held accountable for terrible calls, unprofessionalism, and flat out blatant mistakes.
They won't, MLB will probably use this video to advertise next season's fan appreciation day..
They tried. Hernandez sued because the MLB was trying to keep him out of the world series. (Since he was already banned from pee wee, little league, pony league, high school, college and the minor leagues, he'd have nowhere to officiate).
MLB is incompetent
Never. Umpire Union is corrupt and untouchable.
How about when the umps can get in players faces when they make an error. They can be fallible, I guess they want there umps to be perfect. Bunch of overpaid whiners.
Umpires needed to be held to an umpire rating system. I see a future without them in the game.
They did between 1998 and 2006 due to the infamous 1997 NLCS Livan Hernandez game. After 2007, Selig thought it was negligible. Suddenly, Joe West, Bob Davidson, and Angel Hernandez started making themselves the centers of attention by the end of the 00s.
So the machine calls strikes and balls? Who else is at the game? Haha
@@MegaLBreezygo home grandpa, your era was over years ago
@@MegaLBreezy they do it in tennis, why not in baseball
Players having to de-escalate the umpires when it should be the other way around is just so embarrassing for the sport.
Nobody really cares. CZcams "hero".
@@MegaLBreezy?????
Get your corn flakes pissed in? CZcams "tough guy"?
@@MegaLBreezy And yet, you cared enough to reply to a supposedly irrelevant comment. Weird.
Ya know we could just have the center field camera call the pitches. Totally impartial, accurate, and consistent.
I’ve been arguing that for years now.
Hell to the fuck no. It is a game of human error. If the ump’s strike zone is a bit off, that’s ok. Swing if it’s close, that’s the first thing they teach you when you pick up a bat. If you let the ump ring you up on a questionable call, then you should have been swinging at that close pitch. Keep the machines out of the game.
A bad ump makes me switch off the game immediately. I have zero interest in watching a fake game. - WW
So any time Angel Hernandez is around?
These umpires think that people show up to see them. A good umpire should be never noticed. I love when these umpires show up to games wearing some sort of special arm band or color in support for X. Nobody cares about them, but they just have to make their presence known.
the pirates manager’s face was so red when he argued the call against the braves
Ol Jerry must have been prairie dogging it since the 13th and figured he better end it before his calls aren't the only shitty thing on the field,...
That was just 1 example of the fucked calls against us that year!
yall are mad your catcher ole'd the fuckin tag. he was safe
@@ryan_alexander if you watch all the replays, you can see that the catcher's glove move because the runner slid through it. Out.
@@tpresto9862 "If you watch the replays." That right there says that it's not nearly as obvious as everyone says it is.
Also, are you sure? Because every replay angle tells a very vague story on what happened. If reviews existed back then, it likely would've stood as called. So... safe.
I can forgive an ump if the ball is just off the edge and gets called a strike...but that Joe Nathan pitch was WAY low and WAY outside.
That call, along with the one with the Pirates at the end just reek of the umpire wanting to go back to the hotel.
3:42 Saying he was safe is like saying Barry Bonds did not use steroids.
I'd check out the Foolish Baseball video on the subject. It still may not have been correct but definitely calls into question the certainty of the tag and may have been the right call.
He was safe, dummy
Being unable to tolerate criticism must be a job qualification for these fragile ego umps
To even the score, how about umpires get to chew out the players and throw a fit like a toddler when they make an error. Additionally, call the players “fragile” if they don’t appreciate such a deal.
@@stevenmcalister826or to even more of the score, how about not having sped umpires in the mlb?
@@stevenmcalister826I’ve never seen such bootlicking
@@DatChegg There’s a difference between taking criticism and having an asshole manager screaming in your face who’s never been behind home plate in his life.
I don't think umps should call balls or strikes anymore. Technology has taken that to the next level
Hard disagree, they make mistakes but I want that human element.
Can’t replace them with automated pitch calling fast enough.
Lmao ignant.. there still going to be mistakes regardless. Just cause you replace it doesn’t mean anything.
@corbywant976 I wish you could look me in the face and tell me you believe computers would make the same amount of pitch errors. You'd still be wrong and dumb, but then I could laugh at you.
I've seen it in action; you won't like it. An appeal system is a far, far better way to go.
@@corbywant976 Ok, but at least players won't get thown out of the game by the machine just because they disagree with it.
The wow from Nathan says it all lol
how is this video only 4 and a half minutes?
2:21 Ump thought he was in right field?
We have the technology to call Balls & strikes with better accuracy than any umpire. Shame MLB will not implement this. 😢
Umpiring is the only occupation in the history of mankind that I am 3000% ok with being automated by computers. It isn't even that all umpires are bad. So much as it is there isn't a single good one among them.
You know its a bad call when even the pitcher who gets the strikeout is shocked lmao
These MLB umpires must know that AI is being studied as a way of eliminating some of them permanently from the game (to save on costs). The technology exists now.
It might help if a new timing rule (we have all of these new clock rules) would require that an umpire cannot actually remove a player from a game until the middle of the next inning after the all important slight that was the ground for the ejection (according to the umpire). That would give them time to cool off and save what reputation some of them have who put their egos before the game.
I have always thought that so many of these umpires so wished they could actually play the game instead of judging the players who do that they just have an uncontrollable urge to somehow some way be noticed in the game. Pitiful indeed.
Soooo... robot umps... any timeline yet?
Wouldn't call them robots, but AI technology exists that could replace most umpires completely. It is being looked at. Don't you know the umpires union is pissed at this. But eliminating a few millionaires' jobs should not be that big a deal to improve a sport.
Until they start holding them accountable for blatantly blown calls their are going to continue to do it and not train to get better .
I would love to know what Marty Foster’s response to Joe Maddon was after that strikeout call. It would be really difficult to defend that call.
For coach ejections, any chance for Braves Bobby Cox to appear?
Yes refs and umps should be held accountable
The worst call ever was the "safe" call at first base, on what should've been the final out of the game for the Tigers against my Indians. I didn't want the perfect game against my team, but he earned it. I still can't believe it, to this day. Even the Cleveland announcers couldn't believe it. If they had instant replay at that time, it would've corrected a HUGE mistake.
Remember the first of the worst, Ron Luciano (who later unalived himself)? He admitted in his ghost written "autobiography" that he would intentionally make calls favouring the home team so that games ended early (8 1/2 innings instead of nine).
While I the ladder was bad, it was heavily shadowed by the first statement. I hate to hear that.
Angel Hernandez is the worst umpire in MLB history.
🤡: “That’s racism!”
If these umpires keep making nonsense calls like these, I'm afraid that managers and players will want to do far more with them than just argue!
Wow umpires gotta be the most unprofessional group of refs in sports, throwing guys out for nothing
Hat em or love em, these moments are insanely entertaining and is the exact reason why they haven't implemented reviews for bad calls. It gets people talking, players lose their shit and people get tossed out. It's all for the sake of entertainment.
The Jerry Meals call at home has got to be one of the worst calls in officiating history.
I was an umpire for a part time job when i was just out of highschool. I can tell you without a doubt that as a lineman its the easiest thing to see a foul ball hot inside the line in fair play. Theae major league umps are horrible. Its almost every official is corrupt.
Bottom 19th?!? Yeah.. my boy wanted to go home 😂
When the pitcher doesn't believe it was a strike, then you know you really fucked up as an ump
All players and coaches have every right to be upset at umpires because they just don’t know how to call baseball games the right way! If you don’t want to do your job right then you should just quit before it gets worse
there needs to a change in the game, Teams need to have a IN-GAME way to eject a ump from the game. These PEOPLE are injecting themselves into a game between two teams as PLAYER 3 and completely fucking over teams.
In my admittedly fantasy world, a player will refuse to leave the field, if unjustly ejected. The umpires will forfeit the game to the other team, but the “loosing” team will join their ejected teammate and refuse to leave. The police may arrest everybody, but when the details of the situation get out, Manfred and conpany will be everybody’s favorites #sarcasm. Call me melodramatic and unrealistic, but SOMEBODY has to take the gloves all the way off against these umpires who go on power trips.
first ump had money on the game and he almost lost until he decided greed was important over fairness
I can't wait for the upcoming baseball season next month
How the H did Kimbrel not let that thing rip?
Even Joe Nathan was like wtf
When the pitcher knows he got away with one. That pitch wasn't even close.
MLB needs to make some calls reviewable , umps ( even in little leagues) have way too much power
god was such a good compilation video until the end. You should remove the last one (as it was the correct call) and re upload. I see that play in so many compilations and it makes people seem like they don't understand how the infield fly rule works. It's the person who camps under the ball not the location of the ball. If the shortstop were to be standing at the warning track and camped underneath a fly ball that would be an infield fly rule. That was the correct call.
You are correct, and the purpose of that rule is to prevent an intentional "mistake" that would turn the play into a double play because players can't leave the bags on a short fly like this. However, the play looks bad because clearly this was not an intentional mistake and they clearly miscommunicated.
I love the first clip even the pitcher knew
I think of batter waited a couple moments call might there way. I say that because umpire might feel they are showing them up by immediately going toward first base. I think also some of these umpires just want the game to end, so they call it a strike to end the game.
That umpire threw the catcher out because the ball missed his glove should be fined and suspended. Catcher didn't see umpire was trying to give him the ball.
3:50 i don’t remember who, can probably find it by looking it up, but someone did a full break down of this play and determined that the call was right. There were plenty of camera angles and though it was very close, there was no video confirmation of him actually touching him with the glove. Seemingly easy call but he was in the right calling him out, at least imo
“The worst call in MLB history - why it might be correct” by Foolish Baseball
The umpire said later that he botched the call.
The fans’ best remedy for bad umpiring: Stop following baseball.
These Umps have money riding on these games!
It used to be brought to you by beer and cars. Now it's brought to you by gambling apps.
MLB needs to do something about the officiating. I understand that blue is human, and all sports have some question marks, but the officiating in professional baseball is beyond inexcusable
Home plate umpires who leave the dirt to walk toward a player should be immediately thrown out of the game and suspended for a month.
And what about managers leaving the dugout to argue with umpires, despite no part of the rules allowing them to do so?
Yes, millionaire players are special, and nobody (umpire or fan) should ever walk toward or speak directly to them.
@@RurbanWalker the fans pay their hard earned money to see the players, not the umpires.
@TheFrizbaloid exactly. We should put a bubble around the players to protect them.
The way the world is going it wont be long til players start swinging at umps on the regular
They did Zobrist so dirty in that first one…. So did his pastor…
If you notice an ump, he's a bad ump. Good umps understand its about the players.
You can see how blind these umpires are just by watching this,seriously
there is zero need for umpires.
The teams must have a Meeting and decide tô have a fir play against those umpires
Wonder how many umps have money on the games they call
But "baseball always needs the human element." 😂😂
Can managers call for video review?
Umpires need to start taking fast balls to the fast more.
That umpire walking up to lesrer like under any other circumstances hevwouldnt just sh*t himself
What happens when your league partners with sports books?
The umpires are clowns
Infield fly….. in the outfield 😐
From pro sports to youth athletics. Refs and umps always think they are the most important people on the field. Now don't get me wrong we need them. But check your own personal ego at the door.
There is always going to be the human element. This clip does show that even umpires make mistakes.
you know we are all human and will make mistakes,now with that said if i was this bad a my job i would be fired,,, umps need replaced with radar maybe keep them on bases but todays refs are making the same mistakes time and time again,not to mention the ones that are getting a kick back
It's all predetermined, all professional are
The very first clip was controversial. It was clearly a ball!!
A collab of Angel Martinez.
Braves have always been screwed over by the refs in the biggest moments. Refs have a thing for the Braves or something. That that 2nd to last video it was later ruled that it was actually a great call the catcher missed the tag, should have keep his glove there would have gotten him.😂
This video is illegitimate. 4 and a half minutes and Angel Hernandez isn't in it one time?
Joe West is gone now send Angel with him.
Yanks umpires are mostly crazy.
I do not watch anything but hockey, the politics in sports suck and some umpires/refs are definitely corrupt
Umps don’t want to hear when they F up. Childlike behavior
Simple fix, auto strike zone.
3:33 Who’s that jackass umpire who talked sh🔥🔥 to that catcher who said nothing bad.
1:06 Holt absolutely WAS yelling at Joe West. He was looking directly at Joe when he yells.
Last clip was clearly and obviously an infield fly. That one doesn't fit in this montage at all.
3:40 I will die on this hill. He's safe. Catcher absolutely whiffs the tag. If you're a professional athlete, the least you can do is your job, which is to tag the fuckin guy
I certainly wouldn't die on that hill, but it is definitely possible the tag was missed. It's way too close to tell. In any case, that play shouldn't be featured in bad umpiring videos.
Man I hate to see this
Jerry Meals was correct.
Motherless umpiring
Apparently baseball doesn't like attracting new fans. Why on Earth would I want to watch a game where the Umpire has to be held back from the players. What is the matter with all you baseball people why would you put up with that
Can't wait until umps are replaced with cameras.
Was thinking of the reason why they havent done that already.
Umpire union won’t allow it
@@crimsonknight7011 Unless the umpire union has many photos of baseball owners with goats, the union really cannot stop this. A new contract when the old one expires can say most anything. It is like a rule change.
These umps are terrible and need to be fired
I'm starting to believe MLB is nothing more than WWE. There is no way on God's green earth you can justify this kind of incompetence with 0 accountability. Unless, it's in the script!!! This is why I've stopped watching.
Baseball is no fun anymore because the umpires are ruining the game!
Bring on the robo umps and cut the bullshit
@1:06 Transcript
Holt: "God" - (looks at ump's face) "D*MN IT"
* tossed *
Holt: "I didn't say anything to you!"
Holt: "That's a f*cking ball"
Announcer: "Holt is trying to indicate to Joe West he wasn't yelling at HIM, he was angry at himself"
Sure, because when I'm angry at myself I yell "that's a f*cking ball" at the ump
Horrible but nobody is perfect
In the game between the Pirates and the Braves the runner was safe at the plate in my opinion
That first one is just unexcusable. Its like he just wanted to go home, and had his finger right on the trigger
There’s no guarantee Tampa ties the game. And it’s not like either team was going that far that year anyway. and I’m a Rangers fan saying this.
@@rathofturkey no excuse.
The last one was the right call … The ball was catchable (with normal effort) by an infielder and therefore, by rule, an infield fly
Oh look, another mashup of cherry-picked clips and a bunch of whiny comments about umpires.
Most umps are just bullies who couldn’t make it as cops and have no one else to bully.