Jim Cornette on Jon Moxley Being Piledriven By Rey Fenix on AEW Dynamite
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- čas přidán 22. 09. 2023
- From Episode 310 of the Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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Stevie Richards did a review of this showing everything that went wrong, without insulting anyone and only driving the point home of how bad this was for everything/one involved. He did a fair analysis, for free, that could've only helped AEW.
AEW struck it down off CZcams within an hour or so. Really shows that they really don't care if their guys get retired in ring from unnecessary stunts or not, and all they wanna do is play till one of the figures break.
Now more than ever, Tony has proved he cannot run this company, either due to his lack of experience or him actually wanting half this bullshit because he's not right in the head, and that AEW, bar Jesus returning, is beyond saving, because management is full of balloons who are worse then the goofy talent.
they also got aew botches suspended but he's back lol
Couldn't have said it any better.
The legal team of Don Stevens did not approve
It's too bad AEW doesn't put the same energy into putting out a decent product as they do in trying to censor every criticism about them and getting CZcams videos taken down.
Nice to know that they're still gatekeeping all their footage and listen to constructive criticism...
Not forcing Moxley to go to the hospital just proves that AEW learned absolutely nothing from the concussion Matt Hardy suffered against Sammy Guevara.
Not to mention finishing the match while someone is obviously not in the right state to do so. That Matt Hardy match was SO uncomfortable to watch after that. Unbelievable that they STILL don’t have any procedure for this kind of stuff.
@@hectic105that whole PPV was uncomfortable to watch after that incident
Or any of the other injuries people have got. The Corpse Referee should have just counted to 3 being as it was obvious that Mox couldn't kick out.
Sad thing is I think most of us in the comments could of did a better job lol
@@chrisortiz8072 I'd like to think that if I was in the ref's position I'd count to 3 and then immediately stand and make the X shape with my arms after telling Rey to stop touching Mox.
I think we've all been waiting for this one lmao
i couldn’t wait. instant👍
Yes! In Stewie Griffins voice
1000000% once I saw it on Twitter, I knew this would be a good segment
Hell YEAH
Hee hee
The fact that Fenix picked up Moxley and did the move again after injuring him is insane. Imagine if after Owen Hart dropped Austin on his head, he picked him up and tried doing the move again. Madness.
"Sorry I maybe broke your neck doing my finisher like a jobber bro, but I gotta protect my move so I'm doing it again"
Mox - "......" (is literally unconscious).
Somebody is going to get permanently paralyzed or killed in AEW from a botch and I'm scared that I know it's coming.
Austin got dropped on his head once and had his career shortened by years. Talk about the luck of fools
Fenix is clearly the hero we all need right now.
What are you people talking about? Moxley probably planned out the entire match and was likely calling audibles the whole time. A better ref would've counted to 3 if Moxley's eyes were closed and a smarter wrestler would've communicated his injuries better.
@MichaelSmith-fq6hz AEW is full of fools luck, all the goofy and unnecessary stuff they do.
I go to Stevie's point that Tony came out dancing after this happened. His video got taken down by AEW, but he was 100% right about how badly AEW is run.
Tbh the entire wrestling world should've been doing the Daniel Garcia dance at Moxley getting dropped on his head twice in a row.
I saw it too. Richards was bang on.
Tony Khan dancing was way after him, Claudio and Renee was checking on him in his trailer. The dancing he did happened after he checked on him while they was transitioning to taping rampage. So no he wasn't dancing soon after.
@@TheManOfTheHourEveryHourthis is terrible and hilarious
@@ShawnWilliams-ur8ylwould you be dancing at all if one of your employees just got x2/3 concussions live on tv?
Remember when Perry wanted to do a dangerous stunt and wouldn't listen to anyone so they went to Punk (Not Tony notably) to straighten him out and then he did it anyway while showing attitude to Punk leading to a fight that got the biggest star in the company fired but NOT Perry. Yeah... Safety is only important when its Tony himself pissing his pants over being yelled at for the first time in his life.
Rumor has it: Tony was scared for his life after Mox's match.
That was such bullshit too. It’s like everyone forgot full gear when jimmy havoc and Excalibur got in a fight in front of Tony khan backstage and Excalibur locked jimmy in a front chancery and refused to let go and jimmy went limp and passed out even as security was prying them apart he wouldn’t let go. And when jimmy woke up a few minutes later jimmy punched Excalibur in the mouth and the fight started all over again back stage. And when Tony was asked about this at the full gear scrum he acted like a hard ass and said “you call that a fight! I’ve seen far worse working with football teams. I’d call it a draw.” He wasn’t scared for his life then
I'll tell you when you're telling lies😂
@@thehorrorhound6575Tony "cocaine is a helluva drug" Khan has no standards & just makes it up as he goes daily, he must've been running low on blow & fired Punk bcuz he wasn't in his usual drug addled state
@@thehorrorhound6575 To be honest, I did forget that. Wow, they say the more you know the more you don't know but with AEW, the more you know the more you know its a damn circus.
Stevie Richards does an amazing break down and rant on this.... Tony Kahn and aew had it removed from CZcams.... It's available on his patreon
I hope JC watches and reviews that , it was done amazingly well
I sent corny an email about it with a link to a video, hopefully he addresses it. Idk how he feels about Stevie but I thought Stevie did a wonderful job discussing it and chastising the appropriate parties.
AEW took it down😂
I saw it before it was removed. Richards was bang on the money.
@@javierrojo1822 I know, I found a 2 minute clip that was on Twitter as of yesterday. Hopefully that wasn't taken down too
The only reason Rick Knox isn't fired is cause the Young Bucks' buddy from the Indies. This isn't the first time he's fucked up like this. Remember what happened to Alex Reynolds a couple years ago? He got knocked out in the middle of the ring during a botched spot and Rick didn't even bother to check on him. He just let the match continue around him. He's dangerous.
Wasn't Knox also the ref for Sammy G vs Matt Hardy
@@QAZ-OMENWas it not Aubrey Ed reffing? 🐴
Rick Knox was a part of every botched match in PWG as well. All the missed three counts and “shoulder checks” are usually from that promotion, and more often than not, involves his untrained arse. The referee for the Matt Hardy vs Sammy Guevara match was Aubrey.
@@Copperstoned To be fair to Aubrey, she did stop the match. TK then got a doctor to say what he needed a doctor to say and ordered the match to be restarted. I would say though that Aubrey should have quit after that match - why work for someone who'll undermine you publicly?
Well, I think on one episode of "Beeing the Elite" Knox mentions that without the Bucks he would be unemployed.🤔 (He's also is the regular (flight) travel companion of Nick, Matt and Brandon.😅)
CTE: "John Moxley... Acknowledge me!"
Moxley got his bell rung three times. The first was when Felix flew from the ramp and landed on Moxley's head. Moxley wanted the second piledriver before the ref counted three.
Stevie Richards pointed this out in his video before Mrs. Ed took it down. And he had every right to call out every bone-headed decision made that night.
Oh Stevie did a video on this and I missed it? Damn, I really wanna see it now. Of course AEW uses a lame tactic to claim Stevie isn't within fair use, because he 100% is.
exactly all this - surprised Jim and Brian both missed this? Perhaps didn't see the beginning of the match or just watched the end before their review? Concussion likely happened with the ramp botch, & Mox called for that 2nd piledriver, blatantly. Ref is a disgrace.
I added 3 stars to my review of this match for each time Botchley got concussed 😭😭😭
@@KayDiddle Don't know, but because AEW is AEW, we're going to find out eventually.
It's like the licks and Tootsie Pop, that program is gonna take a bit to get there.
That foot stomp from the top rope onto the floor while Moxley was on the barricade probably did not help either.
When WWE struck down videos, asked fans to change shirts and took away signs, many made a fuss about such things. But when AEW does those same things, all I hear is crickets... or excuses from the AEW tribalist trying to justify. Stevie, Corny and Dutch, IMO have given good takes on this.
FACTS
That's why I can't stand AEW fans, they're some of the biggest hypocrites on the planet
@@rebus1221 All a bunch of wusses.
"Don Stevens" strikes again, because we can't talk about about AEW or how careless the roster really is.
Bullshit. People have criticised both.
Sometimes it’s amazing that this company is allowed on cable tv
Yes. I stopped watching it after a couple of episodes l didn’t get close to finishing, because it just doesn’t pass as something that should be shown on TV.
I think it's because most of us want the company on TV to give Corny material for his podcasts.
Well, nobody's gotten a broken neck or had to retire yet on that show
@@jordanfletcher3726 except for the neck fracture Ricky Starks suffered in April 2021 at the hands of Adam Page...
@@jordanfletcher3726 Brodie Lee retired.
I was there live. It made me really realize how stupid some of these wrestlers and refs really are lol
This what's happens when you don't listen to vets
@@tonyruby4467they don't need advice
Not as stupid as people paying over $100 to go to an arena and see it in person.
I mean ... you knew it was stupid before....and yet you still paid money.
I saw someone on Instagram comment that they were there too & it took Mox like 5-6mins to get up off the mat & walk back to the locker room... is that true?? Is that how you remember it??
This reminds me of the rant Corny did many years ago about that time when Low Ki did a front flip cartwheel kick and knocked a guy out in the opening seconds of a match. But instead of just pinning the guy, Low Ki dragged that guy's prone body and proceeded to do more moves.
Gotta get his shit in, pal!
AEW blocking Stevie Richards video is a bunch of crap. I watched it, it pointed out the obvious, and told fans what should happen is such a dangerous situation.
Some say Jim is not relevant. I’d say this proves he’s more relevant than ever. These wrestlers could learn a lot from his experience, and they sure do need the help!
The ones who could benefit from his advice the most are the ones saying Cornette's not relevant.
saying jim isn't relevant is such a silly take. to say anyone isn't relevant honestly is a confusing statement. its usually when someone doesn't have a big audience, which is still dumb in today's culture which lacks a monoculture. our society is all about the irrelevant being relevant
That's just it, they don't want to learn or change. The biggest sin one can commit in their eyes is to not anoint everything they do as great.
He lives in every single aew employee's head rent free they are constantly referencing him without naming him all the time.
@@user-do2ev2hr7h As much as they talk shit about the atmosphere in WWE and WCW they have also built their own despicable wrestling cult but it's a little more disturbing because unlike those other orgs they are incompetent and dangerous.
I loved rikishi's finish. It looked devastating, but I've watched it in slow motion plenty of times, and his opponent's head never comes within a foot of the mat. It was genius
Yes! Rikishi was huge, especially his thighs and ass, and knew how to wrestle, so there was NO WAY your head was hitting the mat. But here we are dealing with people who are physically and mentally incapable of safely and convincingly performing pro wrestling.
Didn't Bam Bam also have the same finish in ECW?
Yes, it is Bam Bam’s Springsteen Album.
I think Scott Steiner use to do that move
@@jonathanb4689the Steiner screwdriver 🪛
All I could think of was Owen and Austin. Those piledrivers were hideous. I managed to catch Stevie Richards' analysis before AEW took it down. He was on the money. AEW is becoming one big Nia Jax to its entire roster.
And if Nia Jax injures the entire women’s division of wwe then the women’s division will become one big Nia Jax.
Austin hurt Masahiro Chono in New Japan with a piledriver.
@@juicyfruit6311 Ironically the exact same type of Piledriver too.
Owen's was completely accidental thoug, Felix should've known better not to try that on a guy much bigger than him and certainly not do it twice.
well moxley always wanted to be austin
I imagine Mox said, "do it again" in reference to the count but Rey heard it and went, "OK!" and Knox went along with it.
What’s even more embarrassing is that Rick Knox completely exposed the referee business by not only stopping the count but also by telling Fenix to do a piledriver on Moxley again!!
Doubt Knox told him to do the piledriver I bet moxley told him to do it again since most likely he's the leader of the match and to count the three this time lol
@@whitemamba0089I wouldn't be surprised if Knox said it since Moxley was knocked out and seeing stars
@@GraveMemories pretty sure u can see him mouth words but it might of been incoherent rambling lol idk but my money is on mox making the call
Mox did make the call and he said he wasn't hurt during the pile drivers.
I don't think you can trust what Moxley says - if he's concussed it needs to be someone else's call.
Same way you shouldn't let someone drunk get behind the wheel of a car - they aren't capable of making proper decisions, their judgement is impaired, so the other wrestler & the Ref are responsible for anything that happens next.
You need to save him from himself.
CTE is unforgiving, Hope Moxley understands that
And Renne and the kids
Surely he didn’t pick him up and spike him again after the first one. Right???
I think he doesn't have any left (if he had any brain matter to begin with)...
Yes, look what it did to cm junk.
Moxley probably doesn't understand The Cat in the Hat by this point.
Prediction:
AEW will someday make a Moxley documentary where this incident will get an entire segment, marveling at the toughness and professionalism of Moxley for calling/going up for the second dumbstone piledriver. His colleagues, shaking heads and gushing how hardcore a moment it was. Maybe the wife, wiping tears away while giving her thoughts. The Young Bucks, the scrawny one sobbing, putting this in an historical context for the fans. Licensed music. The works.
No doubt in my mind
Rocky 5!
Now imagine how tough stone cold was when he got dropped on his head and still be able to move to finish the match eventho the pin was unconvincing
@phenomkiller Steve Austin is built different
@@Gothy420 Hence one of his famous nicknames...the toughest s.o.b
Id like to see balding buck get piledriven into a bucket of hairplugs and hair restorer. Or go full Steven Seagal.
Al Snow said that referees traditionally are not suppose to know the finish of a match so that way they can make calls and count in a shoot way, which makes total sense.
Well Mox can add having the neck of Christopher Reeves to having arthritis at the level of a 70 year old to his medical history.
Jesus Christ
It's Christopher Reeve.
No s.
Lol Dead 😂
@@ValiantWrestlingThat would be George.
This is why you ban or limit who can do certain moves
*WHAT?!*
Do you know how many chances they had to do that? Do you know how many moves they banned? None.
Midcard cruiserweights being allowed to do these moves on their main event guys twice their size is insane. Imagine Psychosis giving John Cena a tombstone on smackdown in 2005. Wouldn’t come close to happening
@@mahakalavanilla6263That’s actually a great point. A midcard Luchador doing a dangerous piledriver variation to a main event star… it would never happen in WWE.
Banning moves also adds a lot to the storytelling - when you know a heel can do it safely, then you let them do it behind the referees back for an injury angle. It's one of the things that Tony Khan seems to have missed in his decades of watching wrestling that the more rules you have, the more tools you give heels to get heat. Banning moves then makes a "No Holds Barred" match mean something without people bringing in weapons and furniture.
Technically 3 times, cause when fenix did the flip dive off the stage, it's been rumored or confirmed he got a minor concussion, and then there's the clips going around tony Khan dancing on stage with Daniel Garcia after that happened.
He was Moxley who got the concussion.
Is that actually correct? Tony Khan danced on stage after one of his wrestlers was almost paralysed? Serious question: is this guy autistic? How insensitive and tone deaf can you be? Contrast that with how Vince was acting when Taker collapsed in the back after the WM 30 match with Brock. AEW is a joke and Tony Khan is an embarrassment. He's not fit to run a lemonade stand let alone a wrestling company.
It's crazy to think Mox was concussed at the stage dive when the match starts, it just shows how weird Mox usually acts that no one noticed he was working 11 minutes with a concussion
Look I know Mox isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but everyone needs to know this should have been handled better by Fenix and that dumb fucking ref. Mox isn’t perfect but he didn’t deserve this tho
Even Tazz and Excalibur pointed it out that Mox was out at the beginning of the match with the ramp jump.
Not gonna lie when I heard Moxley was concussed from the splash I found a clip and just said this is really bad. The camera was on Moxley long enough for me to start getting sick watching him. Words really can't describe seeing him and I get it's a title match, but man for Tony at Gorilla to see that and not go ok something's wrong and tell the ref to get Phoenix in the ring and just count Moxley out of the match so title doesn't change hands but get him help, because the man looked like he nearly swallowed his tongue it looked so bad. At this point sadly for the talent to there to not realize you guys are already getting hurt probably more often then you should but these incidents are screaming it's going to get worse we will probably have someone paralyzed if not get hurt get so hurt they nearly die.
@@donovanbradford8231Both Vikingo and Dante Martin have likely career altering injuries. The list is going to grow too
@@donovanbradford8231it was a clip on Twitter showing he was out of it
Stevie Richards made a great detailed video of this botch. I saw it just before AEW had it taken down on "copyright" grounds about 2 hours later. Talk about soft, weak bullshit. I hate Tony Khan and his clownshow.
Between this and Vikingo likely suffering a career altering hip injury (feared to be a broken hip due to him being wheel-chair bound after the spot) during the ROH tapings this past Saturday, things are taking a drastically bad turn for talent in AEW.
You misspelled "good turn" because both the people you are mentioning are talentless.
@RandalfElVikingo The irony of you hating Vikingo is hilarious.
@@RandalfElVikingo nah that's pretty gutless, since we're talking about human beings...
But think about all those coveted Dave Meltzer stars they got because those definitely pay the bills and healthcare and rehab! Lol
@@RandalfElVikingoi don’t like them either but I don’t want them to get seriously hurt tf bro
Moxley: "I'm laying there thinking 'Im the next Christopher Reeve, that's so dope.'"
“I’m like Superman yeah!”
"Emergency neck fusion surgery, so badass!"
Fenix is too short to give a taller Moxley that move. He dumped him on his head 2x. Apparently, these guys don't give an F about protecting your opponent. Disgusting, IMO.
BuT hE gOt OvEr!!!!
I'm worried that someone's gonna end up paralyzed or dead one of these days.
@SamsarasArt
Exactly. Someone, at the least, will definitely get paralyzed if they continue down this route. I hope on everything that no one dies.
Fenix did the move completely wrong. It has nothing to do with height. He was suppose to use his thighs to protect Mox's neck, but all he did was use his crossed arms.
Doesn't help when the opponent says "do it again". Plenty of blame for all 3 of them in the ring and the producers, Tony etc ... He was concussed before they even started the match in the ring.
Mox saying he felt like a 70 year old man was a bad omen of things to come.
he won't age well, damage to the brain can cause all sort of bad issues in later life
Moxley in his old age would be confined in a wheelchair. I feel pity for Renee for marrying Moxley that she might have to take care of Moxley for the rest of her life. His kids also. Their father got confined into a wheelchair because he destroyed his body
Moxley is taking this Stone Cold Steve Austin cosplay to a whole other level.
🤣
Moxley 3:16 says I just bled your ass!
Moxley legitimately might've been concussed 3 (THREE) times in this monster truck crash of a match. FirstFenix dived off the stage pre-match and Moxley looked legitimately glossy eyed the announce team even mentionedit. Then end of match this sit down piledriver by Fenix who is wayyy too small to perform it correctly on the bigger Moxley that made him immobile. Then Rick Knox let them DO IT AGAIN. Just pure madness. It's no wonder someone hasn't been killed yet live on AEW TV but it's sadly coming.
To be fair Fenix protected the hell out of Moxley in the second piledriver.. the first one tho lol hell nah Mox got dropped right on his head.
Stevie Richards’s reaction to Tony dancing when Dynamite went off the air said everything. “WTF?!”
Then Tony went on and pulled Stevie's video because it hurt his feelings....
Well you see, Little man child Tony feared for his life.@@ezstreete
AEW blocking Stevie Richard's video was crazy
Especially since he gave many examples on how they could have made this situation better. It was a great video that could have been very useful to young wrestlers
It was absolutely fair use too
I really think he had it took down because Stevie showed Tony dancing on stage with Garcia when he should have made mox go to the hospital and go with him
Alex Reynolds got a concussion in a tag team match a year or two ago and Rick Knox was the referee. Rick saw him and did this thing where he pretended not to notice while everyone was wrestling around his limp body. Blade pulled Reynolds over to a corner and let him lay there while they continued the match.
Glad to see Jim give props to RVD's selling of the piledriver. It always looked incredible, & while it was overselling, it never looked comical & made the person (usually Dreamer) look like a millions bucks.
RVD will probably diss JC again after the last time he praised RVD lol
Here in the UK, instead of ER (Emergency Room) we use A&E (Accident & Emergency). Whenever I see AEW now, all I can think of is Accident & Emergency Wrestling.
Imagine doing a sit down tombstone after Owen and Austin. Idiots gonna idiot.
Well Mox has always been a wannabe stone cold🤷🏻♂️
How many guys kept doing the flying headbutt after Benoit?
@@Cruising_On_Lake_HavasomaDaniel Bryan and retired because of it only to come back and keep doing it.
@@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma Daniel Bryan and Chad Gable. Two people in the 16 years since Benoit died
By a dude with a mask on man lmao
Let’s go AEW marks.. it’s at this stage you have to acknowledge how much of a quagmire the brand is really in. TK is literally in over his head. This is what happens when he’s allowed all the wrestlers to do what they want. It’s not going to be too long before there is a possible fatality.. just look at what Sting has been doing.. then to have a concussed guy get piledriven again is nuts..
the very few talented people in AEW are getting injured left and right.
They had the stage and they exited stage left. Complete with tails between the legs and a legal team working on suspending Twitter accounts or taking down CZcams videos showing the botch.
If I was a rich kid like tony khan that wanted my own wrestling show. I would hire as many people that I needed so I would not have to do much work besides okaying storyline’s and implement my own ideas. That’s it.
@@Quattro_Bajeena that's probably why Daniel Bryan is saying this is his final year. i think even he's tired of it, and probably more tired of seeing it happen. but hey what can they do. some just dont want to learn or listen to reason. take darby as a prime example. i love the guy, but i swear he's going to dive thru the ropes 1 time, land wrong on his neck, and his body will go more cold than the concrete under him. plus didn't tony make a laundry list of supposed banned moves, and yet somehow he still wont enforce them ? just count how many pile drivers, Canadian Ds on the ring apron, etc.. etc..i dont want them to be hurt, but at this point it's talking to a brick wall.
@@xshadowscreamx true story.. the problem is.. he’s always had that at his disposal but treated it as his plaything.. he also couldn’t accept criticism and everyone around him were too happy to blow smoke up his ass .. and this is where he is at.
In order to have a concussion, you need a brain
-John Cena 2003
Matt hardy bashed his head off concrete, Alex Reynolds literally got dragged to the side of the ring, moxley got piledriven twice, and the only time they stopped a match for a concussion was when hangman got KO'D by a lariat
I've seen zoomed in video of Taker doing a tombstone and saw for myself how protected you are when the move is done correctly. Keywords done correctly. I don't want to come off as a jerk but are any of these guys going to remember their careers 20 years from now? I mean your brain can only take so much bouncing before serious damage occurs if it hasn't already.
Tony is living out his dream being able to do his Vince McMahon impression. When it inevitably happens, Orange Cassidy is the only person who wouldn’t get the “the show MUST go on!” treatment.
That’s his dog pockets
Moxley gets concussed and Atom Smol injuries his leg and Snowman Khan dances with Ratings Cancer Garcia.
@@matthewhostetter8974 this is what happens when a straight up mark owns the company. The inmates run the asylum and we all get to watch the trainwreck.
It’s not a Vince McMahon impression. He wants to be what Paul Heyman was in ECW
Freshly squeezed got concussed by Nevil and there was no stoppage. O.C actually won the match. He is a lot grittier and talented then people give him credit for. Can’t wait for him to take the title off that clown Fenix.
The most hilarious thing is that Steve Richards did an analysis pointing out how stupid this was and AEW got the video taken down 😂
"Don't do shit you don't know how to do! DON'T DO SHIT YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO!!!"
Everybody in AEW should have to be required to get that tattooed on the inside of their eyelids and the backs of both hands. Especially the owner and his favourite pets! It applies to every single aspect of this clown car of a "wrestling promotion".
For the umpteenth time: I'm absolutely astounded they haven't had a fatality during a show yet. It's not for a lack of trying!
So in less than span of a month AEW fires CM Punk, Jade Cargil decides to leave for WWE, Collision embarrassingly botches their editing, and to top it all off the recently crowned champion Jon Moxley gets injured by a botched Pile Driver and is forced to drop the title to a tag team wrestler. God this brand looks like it truly is imploding.
Plus WWE just had the Rock return, have Punk lined up and just got a massive new TV deal.
AEW are really in the mud 😂
If anyone wonders why Vince banned the piledriver (except for the tombstone piledriver) after Austin vs. Hart, this is why.
And why only a select few like undertaker and Kane the brothers of destruction themselves are qualified to perform it.
@robertnapier624 and protect those taking it. It's very telling that Jim would rather take 25 straight tombstone from Taker than taking stuff for guys like Fenix
At this point, Maffew from Botchamania should have to devote whole episodes to AEW.
Tony Khan takes down every botchamania with GayEW videos.
#JusticeForBotchamania
They took down Stevie Richard's video on this and the AEW botches account, if only they put that same effort into training their referees and wrestlers. That's all friends wrestling for ya
@@RandalfElVikingo in the words of the late iron sheik: “Fucking bullshit!”
you mean he doesn't already? I haven't watched for a while
Uncle Dave probably almost gave this shit 5 stars.
3.75 I think. Alvarez said it was the best match a concussed guy had ever had. These two clowns need to be expelled from wrestling for everyone’s safety
Krispenwah
@@mahakalavanilla6263lmao alvarez has no awareness, Jesus Christ.
@@mahakalavanilla6263simple minds entertained by simple moves.
When he got dumped on his head by Ospreay, Omega's response to people criticizing the spot was STFU. You also had Perry whining about wanting to use real glass. That really puts into perspective what the mindset is of talent at the company, which is worrisome. I hope it doesn't take someone being permanently injured/paralyzed or dying in the ring before they realize they need to take safety as a top priority.
Yes, idiots like Omega and Perry, of all people, trying to make out their tough. YOU’RE NOT TOUGH. This is just creepy masochism.
It’s like they’re treating wrestling like a Hollywood movie.
@@robertnapier624 Hollywood movies try to do stunts safely - their treating wrestling like Jackass...
@@neilbiggs1353 which wrestler would be which jackass member?
@@robertnapier624 I never watched it - I just don't find people deliberately hurting themselves entertaining! It's why despite watching some dangerous sports (like motorcycle racing) I gave up on the NFL and have a hard time with wrestling. I don't like people worsening their quality of life for my entertainment. I wish the ROH Pure Tournament thing had taken off, that is so much closer to what I want wrestling to be than the bad repeats of ECW...
When I used to be a referee, I stated when I go for the count, if you don't kick out, thats on you! Thankfully when I officiated, we didnt have the all of the crazy injuries and I never had to throw up the "X" one time.
Is nobody gonna bring up the fact Moxley didn’t bleed when he was knocked silly? How ironic
He's out. He needs to stop at the bank
😂😂I never thought of that.The only match were Mox really does get messed up for real he doesn't bleed.
Yes, he was so out of it through the match, he couldn’t even think straight enough to do his favourite thing in the world, slice his own head open, on camera….
Honestly, the fact that Moxley was supposedly concussed before the piledrivers makes this even worse. So you have a guy that seems slightly out of it and dazed, and not only did Fenix nor the ref notice, but they then proceed to spike Moxley on his head...TWICE!
Everything about this whole situation just screams incompetence from AEW as a whole; Moxley and Fenix deciding to use this highly dangerous move in the first place (keep in mind the reason Rikshi did it well was because he was bigger than most of his opponents and had a f*cking dump truck of an buttocks to keep his opponents head off the ring), none of the "agents" or experienced wrestlers in the back warning them against using it, Fenix being the one to give the driver despite being shorter and much weaker than Moxley, the referee destroying kayfabe by holding the count, Moxley asking for them to "Do it again" despite being mentally gone, Fenix and the ref for actually RE-DOING the move and spiking Moxleys head again, and finally...TK's STUPID F*CKING DANCING (seriously, what kind of b*tch *ss boss is this guy?)!
THIS is the reason why soo many people believe AEW won't make it out the decade. They are literally killing their talent by letting them run wild with whatever they want to do; first Dante, now Vikingo (who might not even wrestler anymore) and Moxley (who really cant afford to lose anything else up there if he hopes to be bodily functional in 5 years). And this isn't even considering the dwindling attendance numbers in the shows (some pictures showed that Arthur Ashe still had TONS of empty seats) and stagnant ratings numbers. AEW is going to kill itself very slowly, and I don't even think TK's infinite checkbook can save this sh*tshow from imploding.
Don't blame the agents, maybe some of them warned the wrestlers from using some moves. But even if they did, the problem is that some wrestlers are just NOT willing to listen, we saw that with Hangman the guy is so full of himself he thinks he knows everything about wrestling so he just doesn't care and won't listen. AEW has some amazing guys backstage and agents who were tremendous wrestlers back then, I don't think they are the cause of what happened to Mox.
Hey they did almost a million for this show 😂 I think Tony may have paid for 100k Neilson boxes so he can fix his ratings
Then an exodus incoming - Punk, Pillman Jr and Jadeberg have gone from the circus. MJF, Hobbs, Starks, Wardlow… it’ll just be all fwends wrasslin with the Eleeeet and off a national television slot like Impact and NWA.
Such good shit pal 😂😂😂
Bryan Alvarez thinks Theory works the boring 90s style. Mox works a great concussion style though. Greatest concussion match ever!
At what point are people gonna finally just say how unsafe the Lucha Bros. are? They have injured numerous people, including themselves
They never will, because nobody in the company has the level of professionalism or discipline to see to that. It's just marks enabling other marks at this point.
@@vspecmaster100%. Right from the very beginning AEW has been amateur hour, full of people that simply aren't ready for prime time. Nothing has changed in that time. It's a glorified indy with indy level workers.
They always sucked
Long as they're injurying the marks who live in the Rocky V/Sissy Boy Slap Fight/Wrestling Observer dollhouse I'm all for it 😂😂😂
They the Nia Jax of aew?
This is why Jim has always been right about Rey Fenix being the drizzling shi*s.
If you do everything AMAZING half the time, but the other half is a botch, or is dangerous, then you're terrible and cannot perform
Would like to point out that Uncle Dave gave this match 3 3/4 stars! So Dave thought this match was better than Samoa Joe-Punk at All In.
Jesus Christ.
The E in AEW must stand for Emergency Room
Accidents and Emergency Wrestling.
This is why I don't watch AEW...no desire to see someone die in the ring.
Dean Ambrose was one of my favorite WWE superstars. It's so disappointing to see how far the guy behind that character has sunk, and all for the sake of creative freedom and not having someone like Vince give him directions.
I'm guessing you never saw Moxley in Combat Zone Wrestling.
I whole ass agree, Dean Ambrose was a great wrestler and underrated because he was in a group with Tyler Black and Roman Reigns. Ambrose was WWE's next everyman babyface but sadly Mox wanted to be hardcore and badass like Rocky 3.
I agree. I use to be a fan of Moxley but he no sells which ruins pro wrestling for me. He is a perfect example of why not all pro wrestlers deserve creative control.
@@Godzillaroll22-ry5iwall he has to do is bleed less often and use his actually really solid mat wrestling more often. Less death match shit more likable promos.
To be fair to Moxley, Vince saw him as a joke character most of the time and some of the things they did with him were dumb as f . I think if he came back now under HHH, he would be better off.
And the fact his wrestling ability is very minimal.
Anyone still think that AEW: Dynamite, Collison, Rampage and ROH TV is better than Impact Wrestling: IMPACT!, NWA: Powerrr, NWA USA and MLW: Fusion?
I'll even add that OVW TV has better booking than AEW Dark Elevation.
It's surprising that no one in AEW has died yet.
It's all a matter of time
Someone has because he was forced to work a match seriously ill.
Didn't one of the ring of honor guys just break his hip you don't come back to wrestling after that
@redred222 is that what happened to Vikingo ? I've been hearing he is in a wheelchair now
@@redred222I think he was talking about someone dying not hurt wrestler get hurt all the time
The story is Moxley got concussed on a dive by Fenix. After the piledriver, Mox told the ref Rick Knox to count the pin. Knox did not. Moxley yelled "Fuck you!" at Knox and then told Fenix to piledrive & pin him again
Even if the dive did the initial damage, the piledriver finished him off. Otherwise they could have just gone to a quick finish of the original finish, which was surely Moxley winning. For him to decide in that instant to lose, it can only mean the piledriver damaged him.
@@mariosargiropoulos1715Exactly if he was already injured from the dive and wasn't going to drop the belt then its a quick school boy or choke then out of dodge but it happened after the driver why go through more unnecessary moves if youre already injured.
Knox should be fired. Vince would have told him to pack his shit and leave now.
I'm glad Jim mentioned RVD taking a piledriver, sometimes overdid it, but the BOUNCE he gets every time is impressive
Only in AEW in 2023 does a guy get dumped on his head on the concrete, stagger through his match to get dumped on his head again so bad he can't continue and the solution they decide on is to dump him on his head a 3rd time.
Now wait until Rey Fenix drops this title to Jack Perry, because Tony will use this opportunity to reward him after what he did.
Jack perry getting the Aew World title
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Emergency room
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Rey Fénix did the same move twice and he drops people so quick he doesn’t even reassure if his opponent is good
I thought the first rule of a piledriver was the guy giving it had to be taller than the guy receiving, hence why there's clear daylight in the majority of Taker's tombstones, he can hold the guys on his thighs so when his knees hit the guy's head is in the air so he can drop him forward into a gentle flat back bump.
All these injuries seem to come from guys who are too short to do it safely.
It isn't. I've seen a wrestler eight inches shorter give a taller wrestler multiple piledrivers in a row just to demonstrate to some students in Howard Brody's promotion how to do the move safely. The number one rule is don't actually let their head hit the ground. If you're not strong enough, they tell him to base better and if you're still not strong enough with him basing then let him "slip out" and do something else. And if you botch, and he's hurt, end the match as quickly as safely as possible.
Orndorff gave Hogan lots of piledrivers. The difference in Orndorff was very strong and muscular. Felix does not fit that description.
He's lucky it was just a concussion...I thought his neck was broken
Concussions can be much worse in the long term
@georgeh4171 I know concussions can have long term effects but a spinal injury could have resulted in paralysis...that's what I thought happened when I first saw this
Someone needs to start a letter writing campaign to the companies that pay for advertising during these shows, letting them know one day someone is going to die in picture-in-picture during an ad for State Farm.
AEW freakazoids we’re defending this to the death. & Dave downplaying it, calling it a “minor” concussion. & Tony doing the Garcia dance after this happened lollll
“It’s just a flesh wound!”
Just read their comments, they are either written by bots or by people who got brain washed.
Or no brains at all!
I saw that. These people are barely conscious.
Or deleting any videos critical of them 😂
The incident is so bad. AEW didn't even post the match on CZcams.
You’d think that after what happened with Matt Hardy a year or two ago, AEW would stop letting this kind of thing happen. Just stop the damn match. Everyone knows what’s up, so it’s extremely uncomfortable to watch. They (AEW officials and specifically Tony) should know better by now, but that would require them listening to anyone but the idiots who keep injuring themselves and each other at every opportunity.
Cornette calling Fenix, Felix is hilarious
Generally I never worried about death wrestlers health. But someone has to protect Jon Moxley. It’s about quality of life.
I've already heard people arguing about if the pile driver was the issue or a dive. Both could and probably were. They're unsafe and are allowed to do anything.
Anyone saying the piledriver did no damage is just a fucking idiot with no sense. Why would Moxley choose to lose his belt when that obviously was not the plan at that exact moment… and not even tell the ref or Fenix beforehand?! Something had to happen at that moment that hurt him badly enough he couldn’t kick out and continue.
If it were just the dive, they would have just shortened the match and gone right to a quick finish. Not that fucking mess that ended up happening.
Any wrestling move can be considered unsafe.
Close the doors!
Moxley might actually look like Travis' rendition of him after that move. The fact that Fenix used the exact same move that KO'd Moxley immediately after is mind boggling and yet somehow completely unsurprising
He did it twice because plummer moxley told him to do it again.
It wason Stevies Richards video, after knox started the count, Plumber tokd felix to do it again as knox paused before the 3 count.
@ValiantWrestling I'm trying to imagine after nearly getting paralyzed Stone Cold telling Owen Hart "hey go ahead try it again I'm sure you'll get it right." And Owen was 1000x the worker either Fenix or Moxley could ever hope to be
Such good shit pal 😂😂😂
Travis only overpaints photos, so thats how Moxley actually looks.
I was there and the first one had my jaw on the floor and I yelled out “He’s out cold!” When he picked Jon up I said NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Crowd was silent when he was knocked out.
You could see fans in the front row booing and telling them to stop! Because they knew better than the ACTUAL performers! That’s where we’ve got to with AEW. The fans are less marks than the wrestlers.
@@DavidOwen-yv8wz I’m a fan of AEW but this was truly a what the shit moment
I think Rick Knox is the most at fault here to be honest. Fénix probably shouldn’t do that move on taller guys, but shit happens, and he obviously didn’t mean to do it. But Knox making him do another move on Mox prone body was sickening.
It for guys like orange cassidy. Mox I'd too big to be wrestling like orange
"Is there a language barrier?"
Probably, even if Fenix speaks perfect English he'd have trouble translating Moxley's droning mumbling ramblings.
I'm glad it's just a mild concussion.
For now. Wait until the next botch.
That's only because most of his brain has been Bloodletted
How would we know the difference?
Imagine people in the business still downplaying concussions.
All Inept 'Wrestling'
Where the small timers hurt each other!
I wish I could say I was surprised by this, but after watching Matt Hardy fall out of a scissor lift and splat his head on the concrete and the match continue, nothing surprises me with AEW. People joke about Tony collecting human action figures, but AEW sometimes feels like a child blowing up his GI Joe's with firecrackers.
I found it funny how AEW didn’t upload this match from grand slam and are doing everything to cover it up
@@gangsterSoup "You are not my son! You are a bastard from a basket!" - Shad
They did but as soon as I selected it, it was gone. Thankfully I got Stevie Richards take and seen wtf happened
@@gangsterSoupTK's dad prob has no idea what's going on in aew
Looks like they made Stevie Richards remove his breakdown if the botch.
@@gangsterSoupI doubt dixie carters dad knew anything about TNA.
I've been saying for awhile that eventually this company will seize operations because of an enormous lawsuit over a serious injury that causes irreparable damage to their reputation.
If they do get hit with a lawsuit. Doubt even stephen p new could get them out of trouble
They paid off Reby Hardy after the Matt Hardy Concussion. After his match with Sami, Reby went on a big anti AEW rant on Twitter before suddenly stopping, deleting all those messages and then putting up an apology message and saying Matt had no injury 😂
Tony cannot stand criticism.
Sounds more like wrestlers can't resist any dollar signs, even to their own personal detriment.
These moments remind you it's not competition that's most important. People's health and safety is.
Remember, Dixie Lee Carter lost her promotion when her parents finally had enough of her incompetence.
Same thing is going to happen to AEW when Shad takes Tony's promotion away.
It going to a Droz/Owen situation for Shad to take action
My friend was lucky (or unlucky) enough to get a bunch of free tickets to this, and that whole match was a car wreck. That finisher was like a Fire Thunder Driver that Bigelow used as Greeting From Asbury Park, and I think Rikishi used it for a while. The fact that Moxley got hurt on the initial dive and nobody could pinpoint where the injury happened illustrated how redundant and meaningless the spots in these matches are. Steven Richards did a great breakdown on this that was taken down, and the thing that even left out was that they did a whole bunch of other dangerous stuff while Moxley was knocked silly. Did everyone miss that top rope stomp Fenix tried to do (it looked horrible) on Moxley while he was hung over the barricade? AEW likes to name their PPVs using gambling terms, and matches like this are Russian Roulette waiting for something to go wrong.
That was a minor miracle that Moxley didn't get paralyzed for life!! I can't imagine why Mox went with the 2nd one unless he was so out of it he didn't realize what was going on. I saw online that people who were there said it took Mox like 5mins to get up after the match was over to head for the back
And to think they said CM Punk was the problem. Now they are showing who the real problem is.
And yet, ppl expect the newly released wwe wrestlers to go to this f'n promotion.. if they value their life, they need to stay away from AEW.
I'm hoping Ziggler goes to Hollywood and opens a wrestling school somewhere, he has done enough with his body in the business
Imagine 50 year old Edge just falling over himself to join this circus to get dropped on his head….
@@DavidOwen-yv8wzbeth better put her foot down, hard.
What’s the point of the Performance Center again?
Stevie Richards break down of this was also awesome
Listening to Corny talk about Wrestling is better than watching ANY of the shows nowadays Imo💯🍿🤣
This is a lawsuit in 5 years when Moxley has his diagnosis and sues Tony Khan for neglect of his duty of care over him by letting him carry on.
Didn’t he get injured on the dive at the start of the match? And then also the piledriver later?
Yeah, 3 concussions compounded into 1
yep they're not prepared so this video is mostly misinfo
@@KC-vx5wo seems like they did it before most information came out
That doesn’t change anything though. So he initially got hurt on a dive… everything they say here is still valid.
@@KC-vx5woWhat’s the misinfo? So he initially got hurt on the dive. And? The piledriver obviously hurt him and that’s the reason he didn’t kick out.
If the dive caused all the damage, he wouldn’t have gone on to keep wrestling after it happened. It was after the piledriver that he was done. If he wanted to end the match after the dive, they would have just shortened the match and gone right to the original ending, which was surely Moxley winning.
Even Lawler had thighs thicker than the height of most people's heads. The way he did it his opponent would essentially land with his weight on his shoulders on Lawler's thighs. The head hardly touched the mat, if at all.