400hp Subaru Legacy Mail Wagon vs Suzuki Samurai Race Truck // THIS vs THAT Off-Road

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  • čas přidán 19. 05. 2024
  • From the trails to the campsite, 4 Wheel Parts is your one-stop shop for off-road upgrades, accessories and service! Go to 4wheelparts.com to find a store near you.
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    00:00 THIS vs THAT Off-Road
    01:43 THIS: Nick’s King of the Hammers Suzuki Samurai
    04:53 THAT: Jimmy’s Subaru Legacy Postal
    08:32 Predictions
    09:29 Round 1
    11:24 Round 2
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Komentáře • 610

  • @TheBulstrom
    @TheBulstrom Před 3 měsíci +66

    I like watching trophy trucks and pre-runners, But I LOVE watching uncommon pairings like this.

  • @rgera420
    @rgera420 Před 3 měsíci +685

    I miss the old this vs that. Miss the old hoonigan

    • @JaredR1996
      @JaredR1996 Před 3 měsíci +94

      Hey shit changes over the years. It wasn’t always gonna stay the way we like it. Just something we gotta live with

    • @HellzJester1
      @HellzJester1 Před 3 měsíci +83

      I miss Daily Transmissions.

    • @Xerr013
      @Xerr013 Před 3 měsíci +33

      ​@JaredR1996 and this already failing. They would release 500k view videos everytime. Now they can't even sniff it.

    • @Nezbit666
      @Nezbit666 Před 3 měsíci +25

      Daily transmissions were the peak for sure
      I'm currently re watching them all

    • @hillbillybobber
      @hillbillybobber Před 3 měsíci +32

      The old hoonigan Is dead…

  • @dub537h5
    @dub537h5 Před 3 měsíci +85

    As soon as the Scoob touched down after that first jump, it just BOLTED outta there!

  • @rhouser1280
    @rhouser1280 Před 3 měsíci +178

    I love these off road "This vs That" races! It's closer to something I grew up with as opposed to Ferraris & Lambos that I'll never own....Almost every one of these buggy's are available for anyone to make.

  • @russellbutler8957
    @russellbutler8957 Před 3 měsíci +17

    V4?!? Come on, guys!!

  • @unwanted_zombie
    @unwanted_zombie Před 3 měsíci +29

    I knew when i heard "we used an ej205", "we kept the internals stock", and "wrx drivetrain" that the end result would be what it was lmao. (I literally had that exact spec in my forester for a time, so i can talk shit)

    • @TheReaper42069
      @TheReaper42069 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Yeah I was afraid for the engine for sure

    • @AlchEm1st88
      @AlchEm1st88 Před 3 měsíci +8

      @@TheReaper42069 Nah, as someone who's jumped many a Subaru during rallyx the drivers technique was the issue there for sure. I promise you he either destroyed the clutch or broke the trans. Engine is probably fine With a manual car you have to clutch in mid-air or when you land it will shock the driveline and it spins the clutch disk between the flywheel and pressure plate. It puts extreme stress on the clutch disk and the gears in the trans. He was wide open throttle for every jump. If I were a betting man I'd say that clutch disk shredded. He could've sheared the gears in the trans or bent the rods that hold the gearset too though. Or maybe he got lucky and it held up and something else let go. Either way, he better learn to clutch in mid-air!

    • @ProjectWagon
      @ProjectWagon Před 3 měsíci +26

      Engine is totally fine guys. Appreciate the paragraph of guessing of what’s wrong tho 😂 the radiator support brackets snapped and the hot rad touched our wiring harness causing a fuse to blow and lose power. The car was up and running with a new rad the next day 🤙🏽

    • @unwanted_zombie
      @unwanted_zombie Před 3 měsíci +2

      @ProjectWagon hell yeah, glad she's okay then! Now please put some rods n pistons in it haha. Old mail car is badass though. RHD without the import fees lmao

    • @TheReaper42069
      @TheReaper42069 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@ProjectWagon glad to hear it! Miss my 2004 WRX

  • @rhouser1280
    @rhouser1280 Před 3 měsíci +19

    Center console cover coming up and down with the bumps...yea that'd be my vehicle🤣

  • @CesarSanchez-wf1zg
    @CesarSanchez-wf1zg Před 3 měsíci +14

    No way they put “v4” on the samurai description 😂😂😂 hoonigan is gone

  • @MiniFilms96
    @MiniFilms96 Před 3 měsíci +8

    it being that slow gets me even more excited for my samurai project 🤣 im keeping it 1.3 on 35s. pretty sure the 0-60 is gunna be 3-5 business days.

  • @oddrocket2743
    @oddrocket2743 Před 3 měsíci +82

    You gotta race a Samurai vs Subaru BRAT in the ultimate early 1990s offroad showdown!

    • @mr.pritchard67
      @mr.pritchard67 Před 3 měsíci +8

      You mean mid 80's. Lol

    • @yolosubmarine
      @yolosubmarine Před 3 měsíci

      Yeah man, the MCM brat v samurai

    • @oddrocket2743
      @oddrocket2743 Před 3 měsíci

      In the 80's, these were new cars and were not off-roaded much. By the 90's these had become $2000 beater cars. No one cared if they got trashed off road, so you saw a lot of BRATs and Samurais in Tahoe and on rocky trails and beaches.@@mr.pritchard67

    • @DysonParkes
      @DysonParkes Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@yolosubmarine MCM did such a good job on that brumby, didn't they? Absolutely gorgeous end result.

  • @rngr.
    @rngr. Před 3 měsíci +4

    i just watched the DDE video where they moved into the old hoonigan office. curious, i came to the channel to see what they had been up to since i hadnt seen them on my feed recently and quickly realized why. its literally months of this vs that back to back. got tired of scrolling to find a build video so i gave up. i really hope that the new management can help them find their footing and a new identity

  • @anthonysmalawipredators8794
    @anthonysmalawipredators8794 Před 3 měsíci +8

    This track is pure gold. I hope the concept takes off into an actual event

    • @saltyfloridaman7163
      @saltyfloridaman7163 Před 3 měsíci

      I wanna see A. Hodges or R. Sipes run this with dirt bikes. Maybe Pastrana

  • @bg710
    @bg710 Před 3 měsíci +3

    when are yall gonna talk about the end of hoonigan HQ?

  • @GustreBALIofficial
    @GustreBALIofficial Před 3 měsíci +4

    DDE take over HOONIGAN SQ🔥🔥😊

  • @jeepgibby
    @jeepgibby Před 3 měsíci +2

    Cool, glad i cant watch this in 1080p because youtube has it behind a youtube premium paywall. What a great company!👍👍👍👌👌👌

  • @ryantempleman6551
    @ryantempleman6551 Před 3 měsíci +6

    Miss the the old hoonigan

  • @chris18t
    @chris18t Před 3 měsíci +4

    Just watched DDE's new video and saw that they took over the Hoonigan building!?! So is this spelling the end for Hoonigan? I miss the old days.

    • @jameswilde6713
      @jameswilde6713 Před 3 měsíci

      Yep, it’s over. Now “Hoonigan” is just a crappy wheel company. Time to unfollow and move on.

  • @acuiesce
    @acuiesce Před 3 měsíci +15

    That subie is easily the best sounding vehicle to grace that track with its presence

    • @Rt-ig4bk
      @Rt-ig4bk Před 3 měsíci

      😂😂😂

    • @manusb6441
      @manusb6441 Před 3 měsíci

      Sounds like clowns farting streamers 😂

  • @andymelendez9757
    @andymelendez9757 Před 3 měsíci

    Enjoying what you guys and gals do. Keep it coming!

  • @Redd-O_Live
    @Redd-O_Live Před 3 měsíci +3

    The glove box flying open got me 😂😂😂

  • @rubenmarin3390
    @rubenmarin3390 Před 3 měsíci +4

    When are we going to see a couple of rental cars going at it on this track!

  • @dtgrafickidizajn3169
    @dtgrafickidizajn3169 Před 3 měsíci +5

    Bring back Hoonigan from around 6 years ago, including burnyard, shitcar, and cool car builds - from drift cars to hotrods, etc. That's what made this channel

    • @bradleyward285
      @bradleyward285 Před 3 měsíci +1

      This isn't the same hoonigan from 6 years ago

    • @xVern
      @xVern Před 3 měsíci +2

      Most of those dudes are gone at this point, can't go back.

    • @ripn929707
      @ripn929707 Před 3 měsíci

      That DC shoe money is gone.

  • @84gssteve
    @84gssteve Před 3 měsíci +3

    With leaves and solids, the Sammy did better than I predicted.
    With a nearly identically setup 87 Samurai, I've never had the guts to jump my rig mainly because of the wheelbase and the fact I like mine not broken. But, with a 130HP Chevy V-6 and Dana 44's I'm betting mine would have been a closer overall race.

  • @pmdinaz
    @pmdinaz Před 3 měsíci +2

    I thought they shoved a Motus V4 in there when the spec sheets said "Engine: V4" on the Samurai side at 0:33 ...LMAO

  • @kaidensheroan7089
    @kaidensheroan7089 Před 3 měsíci

    I love the off-road stuff I hope y’all keep it up man

  • @TSSFABUS
    @TSSFABUS Před 3 měsíci +2

    Sick!!! seeing our parts on Hoonigan!

  • @nathanvalley7995
    @nathanvalley7995 Před 3 měsíci

    Yea boy DiscountTire special! Thanks for the shout out. Those D window wheels are great for off road stuff. Put em on a lot of old cruisers and jeeps! Thanks for the shoutout I love working for them! If you are ever in Nashville and need wheels and tires hit me up 😂

  • @elloyale9200
    @elloyale9200 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Great race! Almost my garage fleet. I got a Subaru Loyale SW 4WD and a Jimny JB43

  • @Victumpwns
    @Victumpwns Před 3 měsíci +5

    I had the same year and color Samurai about 10ish years ago, I miss it so much. I wonder if this is actually the my old one seeing as how I removed the fender flares and painted the stripe there the exact same way. And of course the Sammy is gonna keep driving and driving, my friend rolled his at a monster truck show and it landed on the wheels and he just kept driving it for years after lol!

  • @sivrxJ
    @sivrxJ Před 3 měsíci +5

    This made me miss my old 94 Jimny I had when in Japan 😢 the things I would have done to it if I brought it back stateside 😂

  • @jeremymann8930
    @jeremymann8930 Před 3 měsíci +6

    That Subaru had some seriously clean jumps, he's done this before

    • @ktrocknerd
      @ktrocknerd Před 3 měsíci +2

      He was in first gear until well after landing the first jump...and then caught deep in gear over the whoops. Only 400 hp and a tonne of boost made those wins possible.

  • @YaksBall8
    @YaksBall8 Před 3 měsíci +2

    gotta love the clowncore reference, guys 🤣 so happy to see that golden shit

  • @dub537h5
    @dub537h5 Před 3 měsíci +9

    Wait, nobody checked out why he broke down? We need the deets here, boys!

    • @ProjectWagon
      @ProjectWagon Před 3 měsíci +24

      We built cheap radiator brackets for the lower for the sema show and they snapped causing the radiator to touch the wiring and blow a fuse. She’s back up and running now 🤙🏽

    • @loomspace
      @loomspace Před 3 měsíci +3

      ​@@ProjectWagonShould've had those Sammy circuit breakers! Cool build bud 👍

  • @HillbillyHippie-mm6bt
    @HillbillyHippie-mm6bt Před 3 měsíci +2

    Story time with uncle Gary is always great. Hey Gary how’s the ls Nissan doing? That car is legit buddy!

  • @QuinnsRC
    @QuinnsRC Před 3 měsíci

    These videos are so much fun to watch! What the hell is that in the left lane of the next episode teaser!!!? Looks amazing!

  • @frun4
    @frun4 Před 3 měsíci +5

    Where are the rest of the videos??? I want to see some more builds and stuff 😢

    • @rustybros
      @rustybros Před 3 měsíci +1

      Hoonigan going thru some stuff atm. Their building in long beach was cleared out and DDE took over.

  • @urkin1521
    @urkin1521 Před 3 měsíci +2

    everyday i wait for lunch to see these guys uploaded less than an hour ago😂

  • @rhouser1280
    @rhouser1280 Před 3 měsíci +3

    That really "Hauls the mail"😂😂🤣 I'm sorry

  • @jeffreywilliams8927
    @jeffreywilliams8927 Před 3 měsíci +3

    I'm really gonna miss Scotto when these run out!

  • @PNWSubaruAdventures
    @PNWSubaruAdventures Před 3 měsíci +1

    We break them, build them and ride them and do it all over again! All with Colin McRae and Ken Block in our hearts!!! Subaru FTW "When in doubt, FLAT OUT!" YEAH BABY! 💛🖤💛🖤🤘

  • @alejandromun6445
    @alejandromun6445 Před 3 měsíci +1

    “This offroad shit is crazy” 😭🤣 yeah im definitely a fan now too Gary

  • @Fervor2Germinate
    @Fervor2Germinate Před 3 měsíci +12

    Hi Hoonigan, love the show! Could you guys add the horsepower and weight of the cars/trucks too along with the rest of the specs? I understand the power to weight ration kinda does this but I'm still interested in the actual hp and weight of all these sweet trucks.

  • @HashLegend3
    @HashLegend3 Před 3 měsíci +7

    Jimmy looks like a wish version of Heavy D Sparks lol

    • @ProjectWagon
      @ProjectWagon Před 3 měsíci

      Look at you buddy 😂

    • @HashLegend3
      @HashLegend3 Před 3 měsíci +2

      I do every morning 😂 should take it as a complement both of you have great beards 🧔‍♂️ lol

  • @fernandosotelo2100
    @fernandosotelo2100 Před 3 měsíci

    I towed my homies 2008 Ford Explorer home in my 88.5 Samurai! Love my little Sami. Keeping it mostly stock but I crush trails easily enough to keep up with or pass up jeeps.

  • @stephendebeauchamp356
    @stephendebeauchamp356 Před 3 měsíci

    37 seconds in, power to weight ratios: 0.12 vs 0.02 (rounded) and the subby has all the yellow so...this shouldn't be close, but I'm darn sure gonna watch! still loving this idea!

  • @justarandomname420
    @justarandomname420 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Clown Core!
    Louis Cole is the shiznit.

  • @hooniganruiz5613
    @hooniganruiz5613 Před 3 měsíci +2

    CLOWNCORE REFERENCE! Ayy🎉

    • @Pyrochazm
      @Pyrochazm Před 3 měsíci +1

      Now I wanna see a built Previa van on tvt.

  • @gorgonthedragon5017
    @gorgonthedragon5017 Před 3 měsíci +2

    11:25 feels so unhinged i love it

  • @rotarypower956
    @rotarypower956 Před 3 měsíci

    Sema build that actually gets used. I’m in love with that Subaru

  • @daniellemus1382
    @daniellemus1382 Před 3 měsíci

    I want to see an 97-03 f150 racing, great job guys

  • @Kritsoss
    @Kritsoss Před měsícem

    this historical information at the start of the videos was a very nice idea

  • @codygores4036
    @codygores4036 Před 3 měsíci +2

    I love builds like the subaru where you take some normal ass car and make it dope as fuck

  • @ditchfishin4701
    @ditchfishin4701 Před 3 měsíci +10

    Soo sub 70hp vs 400hp...
    And they want a close race?

  • @MichiganTrailRider
    @MichiganTrailRider Před 3 měsíci

    The new straight rhythm competition. Let’s go. !!!!!

  • @TheSuburbanWarrior97
    @TheSuburbanWarrior97 Před 3 měsíci +1

    bro that subi is wildddd

  • @AZhooligansgaming
    @AZhooligansgaming Před 3 měsíci +8

    seems like a david vs goliath type of matchup. im interested to see if this will even be close.

  • @ThefireballVR
    @ThefireballVR Před 3 měsíci

    I'm just waiting for the J swapped subaru race. Y'alls editing is good.

  • @scottmichael7178
    @scottmichael7178 Před 3 měsíci

    lol, i like the center console in the subaru, flapping up and down on the jumps

  • @bsfunk44
    @bsfunk44 Před 3 měsíci

    That header just chillin out by itself on the front of the Subie is just waitin to get smashed

  • @TheLuis1108
    @TheLuis1108 Před 3 měsíci

    Lol I like what most ppl do with samurai’s here in the states but I fell in love with those things when I was a kid in Puerto Rico. We slammed them there and slap rotary engines in them it’s beautiful 😍 😂

  • @TheTrinikilla
    @TheTrinikilla Před 3 měsíci +5

    would love to see a frontier or titan go up against a taco on this

  • @brianhoefer7148
    @brianhoefer7148 Před 3 měsíci

    This was a fun video to watch.

  • @twistedexistence3603
    @twistedexistence3603 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Best show ever! If you get rid of the clown, in the cowboy hat!

  • @SKOMPAS
    @SKOMPAS Před 3 měsíci +12

    Wait what it says the Samurai has. “1.3l NA v4”

    • @eggreedgious5194
      @eggreedgious5194 Před 3 měsíci

      YeAh brEh 4 VertIcAl CylInderz dummY

    • @_Dimon_
      @_Dimon_ Před 3 měsíci +2

      Whoever makes those spec cards, is not good at their job, they make mistakes pretty much every time.

    • @MoBiLoViNc3
      @MoBiLoViNc3 Před 3 měsíci +1

      V4 😂 thats I4

    • @eggreedgious5194
      @eggreedgious5194 Před 3 měsíci

      No dudes, it's 4 Vertical cylinders. Y'all dumb

    • @Grimm-Gaming
      @Grimm-Gaming Před 3 měsíci

      I was hoping it was gunna have a Ford Taunus V4 swap! Would be acool little swap for a sammy

  • @seandorr7564
    @seandorr7564 Před 3 měsíci +5

    Easily my favorite series yall have other than scumbug... WE NEED MORE SCUMBUG!! (Love yall)

  • @coastalcleaningandmaintena2884

    I had the 1st edition in canada 1985 and that samurai would go places the big money boggers couldnt touch. They truly were the 1st sxs really.

  • @keenanmarengo8221
    @keenanmarengo8221 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Man I miss my 91 tracker!!😭

  • @greatheightsu
    @greatheightsu Před 3 měsíci +1

    That Subaru is a beast. So cool.

  • @thetake864
    @thetake864 Před 3 měsíci

    Rock bouncer vs trophy truck be nuts!!

  • @user-sx2tb5cb3j
    @user-sx2tb5cb3j Před 3 měsíci

    I'm so fired up after that video of doing burnouts I want to take my grandmas mini van and start doing donuts in the driveway 😂

  • @ricoracing1646
    @ricoracing1646 Před 3 měsíci

    This is such a great show

  • @sniperkram826
    @sniperkram826 Před 3 měsíci

    Vitara, nice... Suzuki swift GTI is a common swap in these around here. You'd cry at the amount of these i see rotting in paddocks. They were a real workhorse for some farmers here in Australia. Love a good Suby too, The brumby is another loved car/ute here. Still a lot around. Plenty of Liberty's and Legacy's too. 0

  • @travisfarris916
    @travisfarris916 Před 3 měsíci

    I had one of those Subarus it had a 4wheeler exhaust sticking up from underneath the passenger side rear door

  • @tomibby
    @tomibby Před 3 měsíci +4

    "who's the real winner in this situation?" the viewers

  • @avs242
    @avs242 Před 3 měsíci

    Love wagon builds!

  • @deatheragefarms
    @deatheragefarms Před 3 měsíci +12

    I like this kind of race more than the trophy truck stuff.

    • @marcoss4563
      @marcoss4563 Před 3 měsíci +2

      this shiet is boring.. get the big dogs in there...

  • @kevinmcinnis7180
    @kevinmcinnis7180 Před 3 měsíci

    "To the tire, on a hub dyno" hahahah

  • @TheGnomestead
    @TheGnomestead Před 3 měsíci

    I started watching this heads up fell asleep to wake up to one finally crossing the finish line

  • @Chris_Love
    @Chris_Love Před 3 měsíci +1

    So when are you guys coming back with some of the ordinary materials, what about your drift cars thats been build for awhile and so on?

  • @the_face2630
    @the_face2630 Před 3 měsíci

    They need to invite a rock hopper on an episode to race that would be wicked

  • @toddbrown4185
    @toddbrown4185 Před 3 měsíci

    You guys should do a more tame off-road mini series and pit some safari cars against each other. Huracán, Porsche, LZs gtr, etc

  • @BenjySparky
    @BenjySparky Před 3 měsíci

    Hoonigan, y'all rock! Peace

  • @foxxstain
    @foxxstain Před 3 měsíci

    we need a this vs that drift edition

  • @bullriderinwrangler1
    @bullriderinwrangler1 Před 3 měsíci

    This has got to be the most anticlimactic races you all have ever had. I was expecting so much better. Y'all slippin.

  • @randomritchie
    @randomritchie Před 3 měsíci

    That's the bush? Maybe we should have Blake's mom stand there for a better bush 😂

  • @turtleturtleshufffleshuffl5588
    @turtleturtleshufffleshuffl5588 Před 3 měsíci +1

    HANNAH BANANA IS BACK!!! 😍

  • @zerathian2291
    @zerathian2291 Před 3 měsíci

    Durn... I was waiting to see the v4 my 83 Honda magna had one.. that's inline all the way.

  • @konyac-entertainment
    @konyac-entertainment Před 3 měsíci

    Gary started talking and I almost skipped thinking it was an ad read

  • @jakec6207
    @jakec6207 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Subaru had a car in 1969 called the 360

  • @j_mars_cars
    @j_mars_cars Před 3 měsíci

    I’ve been following the subie guy! Love gen 2 legacies

  • @freedumbsquirts4809
    @freedumbsquirts4809 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I want to see the Roxor vs anything.

  • @nukacola8026
    @nukacola8026 Před 3 měsíci

    Idk if this is a good idea but I'd like to see a full race to finish line and back from the side road they use or just make another aide road u seee in the video some times

  • @KevinNolin
    @KevinNolin Před 3 měsíci +1

    We still doing this? I miss the old this vs that.

  • @rhinoswigart6748
    @rhinoswigart6748 Před 3 měsíci

    When are you going to bring back slaming beerz.. with Uncle Gary would be kool

  • @dougarnald2862
    @dougarnald2862 Před 3 měsíci

    Jeeeeesus, fire whoever put "V4" in the Samurai's description....

  • @skitownstreetcred
    @skitownstreetcred Před 3 měsíci

    This is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @jeffhoward8198
    @jeffhoward8198 Před 3 měsíci

    I love it Gary is a bad ass yall are let's fn get it boys

  • @danzifer
    @danzifer Před 3 měsíci +2

    Had that same Subaru, except green. Was my favorite car. Plenty of room, AWD, 2.5l dual cam 5-speed, party in the front business in the rear. Rebuilt the motor and replaced nearly everything else. Wrapped it around a tree upside down. No seatbelt or airbags, unscathed. They're increasingly rare today, especially without rust or high mileage. Nice rig...

    • @bcyr-CO
      @bcyr-CO Před 3 měsíci

      My buddy and I race a green ‘95 wagon. We’re putting a high compression (14:1) EJ251 with 22E heads in it because the original EJ22E gave out in September with 300k. It’s gutted with janky fender trimming and it’s a hell of a good time. For the $1 that I bought it for, it’s been the funnest car I’ve owned.

  • @ka4172
    @ka4172 Před 3 měsíci

    And now wew make "rock crawling contest"! Samurai versus Subaru.

  • @paydroku
    @paydroku Před 3 měsíci +3

    That wagon wants to fly

    • @ktrocknerd
      @ktrocknerd Před 3 měsíci +1

      I feel like the paint job kinda resembles the old space shuttle paint jobs.
      If he put it in second for that first jump it might never have landed.