This is not a scientific test. This is not a fair test. We are comparing a 12 inch sub vs a 15 inch sub. For that reason, this is not an apples to apples comparison. I’m comparing these two purely on cost and access. The two system cost about $2800 for two columns. Which one would you choose ?
Thanks for the test. That's a rare and useful speaker combination. Yes, the IP300 sounds nice at reasonable levels considering it's low cost and light weight. Naturally it's max volume is exceeded by costlier and heavier units. Can you try switching the music back and forth quicker at 5 -10 second intervals so we can compare AB? Otherwise listening to one speaker that long and another one later with a quiet intro in between makes it hard to tell much. It's useful to observe the system sensitivity at some point by looking at the level controls, but it's more important to have them at the same volume out front in real life. Test speakers outside when possible so that room effects and reflections of walls and ceilings don't enter into the sound as much. We can still do AB comparisons indoors but it's more accurate to factor out the room. Try using several songs and skip songs that tend to have mostly ONE bass note such as that one. That was mostly a drum on 1 note. 1 drum. boom boom boom boom boom boom boom etc There was no bass instruments, notes or chords in that song. It had 1 note. That may be considered a song these days but there's not much there for listening to or testing since it has no other notes in it and almost nothing for vocals: Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey That was also on 1 note most of the time. Perhaps it's a loop on a computer. Regardless, we can't tell much reviewing a speaker system of someone saying Hey 100 times. Try a test song with a variety of tones, instruments and some bass notes to hear what frequencies the speaker can do well or not. That can be found in most songs with music in it (ie, chords, bass notes and some actual singing). Here's a basic bass test below that tells us quite a bit which is really just some basic chords such as on bass guitar notes: D2 is 73Hz That's simply a D bass note. and so forth. C2 65Hz A1 55Hz F1 44Hz E1 41Hz (lowest note on a 4 string bass) D1 36Hz (not many can hit this) C1 33Hz (few speakers can hit this at all) B0 31Hz (lowest note on a 5 string bass) A0 27.5Hz (Low A note, from synthesizers, etc. No point going below a low A note since few PA systems can hit anywhere near that, or play much below 40Hz. Pick any average rock song, pop, country, Blues or folk song from the 70's, 80's, 90's or 2000. Those have all kinds of bass notes to test the speaker, tuned ports, etc. Quality home theater subs easily hit 25Hz, 30 and 40Hz at equal levels but PA systems are designed to not go very low in order to play louder. Such as this one. That's why nearly all have the output down by -10 or -20dB at 30 to 35Hz with almost nothing below that. They simply don't do those notes since it's below the tuning frequency of the sub, out of phase at that point (4h order tuned ports) and blocked by the DSP anyway to save power. That's why some folks build custom subs since no one makes a PA sub that can do 27 or 30HZ except a few for > $2700 and over 150lbs. Some we've build are flat to 27Hz (low A0 note) within 2dB from 27 to 80Hz and it still comes in at under 60lbs. Nothing commercially built can do that since they're designed not to. We don't design to hit 20 or 25Hz in live music since it's mostly noise and a waste of power and woofer excursion at that point. But , useful output at 30 or 32Hz would be impressive if someone built a 12 or 15" commercial sub that can do it. Anyway, try a couple songs that has a variety of sounds and notes. You have a good start; try including some insight and thought behind it with carefully chosen test songs to makes the results useful for folks.
Hey Dave thanks for the thoughtful and well composed comment. This was indeed a raw test that may or may not prove valuable…this is CZcams after all. I created the all the music you here from GarageBand and have no actual formal training in music composition. I started doing making my own songs to avoid copyright issues (I had a strike from one of my gig logs). Ultimately, I think the motive of this video and comparison was to inspire some out of the box thinking. I also intended to highlight and encourage actually testing the speakers in person to determine whether one would choose something like this. Again, I really appreciate your thoughts on this and will definitely consider some of your suggestions.
@@lavishlifedjs oh. You wrote that music. That's cool. I didn't realize that. If you need other material for audio testing I have hundreds of original songs in a wide variety of styles. some have tones that can challenge the best speakers. Most haven't been published anywhere and a few I play with my band. I don't have access to those speakers but you do. I have access to a lot of audio files, original music and all types of test tone for audio testing. some can be made available If that's useful. I can tailor it to be whatever range of tones is needed for testing various speakers or crossovers and that may give you more options for a variety of sounds if you do more testing or reviews. Formal music composition... I have some of that from college choir and music theory courses but I mostly play by ear anyway. I also think outside of the box as you mentioned; that's why I design my own speakers and other equipment sometimes when there isn't a commercial product that meets the specs for a project.
@@lavishlifedjs I have the TTL-6A'S and 8006 subs. I went expensive for my tops but they throw well and 2 a side will handle a big crowd. Own some NX-32A's also for monitors and for smaller stuff
@@lavishlifedjs Well so far I'm having good luck with the RCF j8 system for smaller events and also staying with the RCF Evox 12 for that middle to larger venues meanwhile sticking with qsc k12.2 tops over ks118 subs. I'm 57 years old and been deejaying since 1983. I've used almost everything out there but this works. I still have some older carvin and Peavey speakers that work great just old like me lol.
@@lavishlifedjs I think the Maui 44g2s might be deeper on the bass and possibly louder than the Evox 12s but the transportability and bang per buck factor goes to the Evox 12 in my opinion. But you definitely can't go wrong with that Maui system. I've heard them in person and they sound fantastic.
Hey man. 30 year DJ Veteran here. Just wanted to say I like your videos. There's a lot of good options out there these days. If you ever find yourself shopping for subwoofers again to keep that base pumping on the Island Jams, Yorkville makes amazing stuff. I use a pair of Yorkville Paraline Series PSA1s subs. They are a double 12 that sound like a punchy, tight "18. They weigh in at 120 lbs, but have casters that make them a cinch to transport and slide in and out of your van. They run around $2k each. They also make them in a double 15 format weighing in at around 160 lbs. Yorkville make a whole bunch of different subs...I'm not steering you in any direction...just sharing with you what I have. I am looking to get a pair of the RCF 705 subs to use at smaller parties. They just have not been available. Like a lot of stuff these days, theyve been on back order for a while. Peace out brother. DJ Noah Z in Boston.
@@unitedkrewdjs Thanks, I heard the iP300 is better for vocals and has a better dispersion of 120 degrees vs 105 degrees for the K8.2. K8.2 of course has better headroom with 2,000 watts/128db peak.
@@unitedkrewdjs Qsc k8.2 is probably louder, but Ip300 has better sound quality, and is definitely more detailed in live music and vocals.The Ip 300 is much more versatile, e.g. bluetooth, remote control software, with surround sound technology, saveable settings that can be recalled ....
I believe you can…that’s what @Rick Webb had to do to get the sound he wanted…but then you would be going full range through the IP300…what would be the reason for that ? To control the overall sound via Bluetooth ?
el EV es mucho mas costoso que el RCF en conjunto con el Turbo, y la ventaja del Turbo es que lo puedes configurar como mas te agrade a diferencia del EV que es lo que es y nada mas.
I agree…plus you can change up the tops and make them bigger when you want to push more sounds. I love them both. The EV sounds amazing though just not built for large spaces and audiences.
yeah. sounds like from pa system outdoor. i would love to have one either. this is way more cheaper yet efficient than diy passive with cost a lot of money and gear just to produce same amount of low frequencies.
This is not a scientific test. This is not a fair test. We are comparing a 12 inch sub vs a 15 inch sub. For that reason, this is not an apples to apples comparison. I’m comparing these two purely on cost and access. The two system cost about $2800 for two columns. Which one would you choose ?
Thanks for the test.
That's a rare and useful speaker combination.
Yes, the IP300 sounds nice at reasonable levels considering it's low cost and light weight.
Naturally it's max volume is exceeded by costlier and heavier units.
Can you try switching the music back and forth quicker at 5 -10 second intervals so we can compare AB?
Otherwise listening to one speaker that long and another one later with a quiet intro in between makes it hard to tell much.
It's useful to observe the system sensitivity at some point by looking at the level controls, but it's more important to have them at the same volume out front in real life.
Test speakers outside when possible so that room effects and reflections of walls and ceilings don't enter into the sound as much. We can still do AB comparisons indoors but it's more accurate to factor out the room.
Try using several songs and skip songs that tend to have mostly ONE bass note such as that one.
That was mostly a drum on 1 note. 1 drum. boom boom boom boom boom boom boom etc
There was no bass instruments, notes or chords in that song.
It had 1 note.
That may be considered a song these days but there's not much there for listening to or testing since it has no other notes in it and almost nothing for vocals:
Hey Hey Hey Hey
Hey Hey Hey Hey
Hey Hey Hey Hey
Hey Hey Hey Hey
That was also on 1 note most of the time.
Perhaps it's a loop on a computer.
Regardless, we can't tell much reviewing a speaker system of someone saying Hey 100 times.
Try a test song with a variety of tones, instruments and some bass notes to hear what frequencies the speaker can do well or not. That can be found in most songs with music in it (ie, chords, bass notes and some actual singing).
Here's a basic bass test below that tells us quite a bit which is really just some basic chords such as on bass guitar notes:
D2 is 73Hz That's simply a D bass note. and so forth.
C2 65Hz
A1 55Hz
F1 44Hz
E1 41Hz (lowest note on a 4 string bass)
D1 36Hz (not many can hit this)
C1 33Hz (few speakers can hit this at all)
B0 31Hz (lowest note on a 5 string bass)
A0 27.5Hz (Low A note, from synthesizers, etc. No point going below a low A note since few PA systems can hit anywhere near that, or play much below 40Hz.
Pick any average rock song, pop, country, Blues or folk song from the 70's, 80's, 90's or 2000.
Those have all kinds of bass notes to test the speaker, tuned ports, etc.
Quality home theater subs easily hit 25Hz, 30 and 40Hz at equal levels but PA systems are designed to not go very low in order to play louder. Such as this one.
That's why nearly all have the output down by -10 or -20dB at 30 to 35Hz with almost nothing below that. They simply don't do those notes since it's below the tuning frequency of the sub, out of phase at that point (4h order tuned ports) and blocked by the DSP anyway to save power.
That's why some folks build custom subs since no one makes a PA sub that can do 27 or 30HZ except a few for > $2700 and over 150lbs. Some we've build are flat to 27Hz (low A0 note) within 2dB from 27 to 80Hz and it still comes in at under 60lbs. Nothing commercially built can do that since they're designed not to.
We don't design to hit 20 or 25Hz in live music since it's mostly noise and a waste of power and woofer excursion at that point. But , useful output at 30 or 32Hz would be impressive if someone built a 12 or 15" commercial sub that can do it.
Anyway, try a couple songs that has a variety of sounds and notes.
You have a good start; try including some insight and thought behind it with carefully chosen test songs to makes the results useful for folks.
Hey Dave thanks for the thoughtful and well composed comment.
This was indeed a raw test that may or may not prove valuable…this is CZcams after all.
I created the all the music you here from GarageBand and have no actual formal training in music composition. I started doing making my own songs to avoid copyright issues (I had a strike from one of my gig logs).
Ultimately, I think the motive of this video and comparison was to inspire some out of the box thinking. I also intended to highlight and encourage actually testing the speakers in person to determine whether one would choose something like this.
Again, I really appreciate your thoughts on this and will definitely consider some of your suggestions.
@@lavishlifedjs oh. You wrote that music. That's cool.
I didn't realize that.
If you need other material for audio testing I have hundreds of original songs in a wide variety of styles. some have tones that can challenge the best speakers.
Most haven't been published anywhere and a few I play with my band. I don't have access to those speakers but you do.
I have access to a lot of audio files, original music and all types of test tone for audio testing. some can be made available If that's useful.
I can tailor it to be whatever range of tones is needed for testing various speakers or crossovers and that may give you more options for a variety of sounds if you do more testing or reviews.
Formal music composition...
I have some of that from college choir and music theory courses but I mostly play by ear anyway.
I also think outside of the box as you mentioned; that's why I design my own speakers and other equipment sometimes when there isn't a commercial product that meets the specs for a project.
Turbo sound ip300s with a 15 or 18 inch sub sounds sweet. For a small/medium size venue
Most def
@@lavishlifedjs
You have a link for the combo cable used for your speaker and sub?
@@jtm71 yes sir…Title: 2 Way Power Splitter and... www.amazon.com/dp/B07N1VQNTW?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
@@lavishlifedjs you da man. Thanks
RCF is underrated. They make a lot of drivers for other companies, like EAW for example. They are owned by the same company.
Definitely are…definitely will get some RCF tops soon
@@lavishlifedjs I have the TTL-6A'S and 8006 subs. I went expensive for my tops but they throw well and 2 a side will handle a big crowd. Own some NX-32A's also for monitors and for smaller stuff
EAW RS 118 vs RCF 708 AS MKII 1400W 18 inch???? Let me know what do you think please?
The video is well done, just the test music .... that's not good .... with better music, the difference is much better in favor of the Ip 300.
Thx for video I love my evolve 50s and then supplement with Yamaha DXR tens for extra room LOL
Yeah that’s a good move…wish EV came out with an evolve 70 with a 15 inch sub or an evolve 90 with an 18 inch sub
Take 705 asii + db ingenia ig2t or ingnia ig3t , never go back the sound absolutely 💯 amazing - sell your ip 300
Wish I could hear that setup
The RCF / turbo sound would definitely be my go to. They sound bigger, better, with a more professional grade and look.
What speakers do you rock now ?
@@lavishlifedjs Well so far I'm having good luck with the RCF j8 system for smaller events and also staying with the RCF Evox 12 for that middle to larger venues meanwhile sticking with qsc k12.2 tops over ks118 subs. I'm 57 years old and been deejaying since 1983. I've used almost everything out there but this works. I still have some older carvin and Peavey speakers that work great just old like me lol.
@@kellyaustin7487 I’ve been eye balling the Evox 12 for some time now and may either get that or the maui 44g2s
@@lavishlifedjs I think the Maui 44g2s might be deeper on the bass and possibly louder than the Evox 12s but the transportability and bang per buck factor goes to the Evox 12 in my opinion. But you definitely can't go wrong with that Maui system. I've heard them in person and they sound fantastic.
@@kellyaustin7487 yeah it’s going to be hard decision…Maui’s come in white now too
Did you put the casters on the 705? Do they lock into place?
Yes. Ernie ball casters…I easily remove them at events…they go on and off, but they lock in to place when on
@@lavishlifedjs Thank You!
can we have the link for those casters? thanks men
@@lavishlifedjs
Hey man. 30 year DJ Veteran here. Just wanted to say I like your videos. There's a lot of good options out there these days. If you ever find yourself shopping for subwoofers again to keep that base pumping on the Island Jams, Yorkville makes amazing stuff. I use a pair of Yorkville Paraline Series PSA1s subs. They are a double 12 that sound like a punchy, tight "18. They weigh in at 120 lbs, but have casters that make them a cinch to transport and slide in and out of your van. They run around $2k each. They also make them in a double 15 format weighing in at around 160 lbs. Yorkville make a whole bunch of different subs...I'm not steering you in any direction...just sharing with you what I have. I am looking to get a pair of the RCF 705 subs to use at smaller parties. They just have not been available. Like a lot of stuff these days, theyve been on back order for a while. Peace out brother. DJ Noah Z in Boston.
Thanks brother…Ive heard those yorkvilles are insane
Thanks. Whats the max amount of ppl One 705as can perform? For dancing @ loud volume?
Honestly I would say 150 in a medium size room
@@lavishlifedjsso if you get Two 705’s 15” subs, it can handle up to a 300 crowd event?
Because I’m thinking of purchasing Two 705’s 15” and would like some input please.
@@jdelgado1907 bravo, you did the math by yourself?
WOW!!! TURBOSOUNDS IS THE WINNER!!! LOL BIGGER SUBS!
👍🏾
How does the iP300 compare to a QSC 8” top?
Honestly not sure. I haven’t heard it yet but I’ve hear great things about the QSCs
Just did this test. Qsc k8.2 blows the IP300 out the water and is more versatile. Even my wife could hear the difference and liked the qsc way better.
@@unitedkrewdjs will have to check that out…it’s small too so portable
@@unitedkrewdjs Thanks, I heard the iP300 is better for vocals and has a better dispersion of 120 degrees vs 105 degrees for the K8.2. K8.2 of course has better headroom with 2,000 watts/128db peak.
@@unitedkrewdjs Qsc k8.2 is probably louder, but Ip300 has better sound quality, and is definitely more detailed in live music and vocals.The Ip 300 is much more versatile, e.g. bluetooth, remote control software, with surround sound technology, saveable settings that can be recalled ....
It sounded like your evolve 50 volume output setting was set lower than the other not a equal test
Everything at unity
You take a long time to make your point, cool video though
My guy…thanks for checking out my videos
what size is the hole of the IP 300?
not sure but it fits over a 35 mm pole
Can you run the RCF sub from the output of the iP300 or do you have to go source into sub first?
I believe you can…that’s what @Rick Webb had to do to get the sound he wanted…but then you would be going full range through the IP300…what would be the reason for that ? To control the overall sound via Bluetooth ?
@@lavishlifedjs Yes, I want to keep Bluetooth capability.
Why not use the TurboSound Ip15b sub vs the rcf sub?
Can’t remember but I think it may have had something to do with the crossover
@@lavishlifedjs I decided to go with the rcf j8’s
@@AjayTheDjay heard good things. Loving my EVOX12s
@@lavishlifedjs wanted those but my wallet seemed to disagree lol hahah
@@lavishlifedjs do you still use the Evolve’s?
Nice video
Thanks
el EV es mucho mas costoso que el RCF en conjunto con el Turbo, y la ventaja del Turbo es que lo puedes configurar como mas te agrade a diferencia del EV que es lo que es y nada mas.
I agree…plus you can change up the tops and make them bigger when you want to push more sounds.
I love them both. The EV sounds amazing though just not built for large spaces and audiences.
how's the sound of rcf sub 705 with 40 to 60hz frequency sub?
The 705s are amazing. Good quality sound.
yeah. sounds like from pa system outdoor. i would love to have one either. this is way more cheaper yet efficient than diy passive with cost a lot of money and gear just to produce same amount of low frequencies.
Ingenia ig3t for the top