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The REAL Story! Piers Morgan & Prince HARRY, MGN Findings DEEP dive!
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- čas přidán 15. 12. 2023
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Are we all being distracted by what REALLY matters?
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You rearranged the books behind you. Nice.
Big Willie received one million in settlement which he gave to Invictus.
Little Todger was offered 200 thousand, no strings attached.
He should have accepted that settlement.
I read through the judge's findings & overall, I thought he was fair. The biggest problem, as you said, is him finding Omid credible. Then again, I'm sure he hasn't read Omid's books, or know the backstories.
Judges can be incredibly myopic when it comes to what's going on in the world.
Your little grey cells have been working overtime. Food for thought if not for prosecution.
You have added another layer on the adage: "Justice delayed is justice denied." I am afraid that, like most members of the public, I have moved on.I have no appetite for criminal prosecution. The present has more compelling issues for me. But law enforcement should never be about the howls of the mob, for or against.The judge needs to refer his findings to the police prosecutor and let the mills of justice begin to grind.
Thank you - I appreciate you taking the time and your ability to have a fair view. Please never stop expressing your well researched opinion.
You would have made a great Judge/Justice yourself!
I thank Piers Morgan for calling out the sharkles on their lies and hypocrisy on behalf of us all.
Does not make it true and correct tho .😊
Well done Piers Morgan . He got offered double that amount years ago and turned it down . And then their the £49K fine to pay as well .
Sounds like you are clutching at straws .
Do you remember Milly Dowler ????🤔
@@anthonyruddock2681
That’s nothing to do with Harry’s “truths”. No one is disputing it was wrong all unlawful information gathering during that period. The mirror newspaper group has admitted they did it and were part of it all from 2014. I think at this present time there’s been over 600 claims/ payouts made by the mirror news group alone since 2014.
I know some people think he’s harsh because he doesn’t play games but I like Piers Morgan. I don’t think there’s a topic I’ve seen him on that I don’t agree with him. Anyway since my most liberal friends seem to think (I don’t even know if they ever really watch him even when I send clips) I like some kind of raving conservative or something (conservative itself is not a bad thing, but depending in what way but since hear it would be called republican and I’m not sure over there. I’m just going with conservative because I don’t exactly know what they think anyway) but I thought I was liberal, but I mean I’m still liberal, but I’m definitely more centrist than all the way to the left just because even though I agree with everybody doing their own thing as long as nobody’s hurting anyone and I myself I think I’m somewhat conservative, but I’m sure there are people that would disagree who lead very pious lives, etc. My cigarettes alone would probably discount me.
He’s nearly 40. Countless people have suffered terrible things and have no choice but to move on. Grow up Harry.
So you are saying Princess Harry should be grateful for the abuse he did not receive. 🙄
@@IrisCharles I think they’re talking about his mom’s death and everything like including the front page every day for weeks but the nation was in pain. And Yeah, newspapers 📰 put what’s going to sell but don’t we want them to?
@@IrisCharlesWHAT ABUSE he didn't get?
No Harry should be grateful for his privileged upbringing..
Harry grow up ?? He’s had almost 40 years to do that. Good Luck with that 👹👑😜🙃
Time to move on. We all see your pain Harry . Now it is up to you to take responsibility for your actions. Today tomorrow and your past. Stop using your past 40!!! 40 !!! Years!!!! As a crutch.
I am surprised that the judge found Scooby Doo a credible witness after the Finding Freebies incident but I guess that the justice can only consider what is put forward at the time. Personally if Scooby said it was raining I would go to the window to check.
Same! However, the two other pieces of evidence are compelling!
😂😂😂😂😂now that showed the justice system for what it is
@@thevintageread I don't understand the UK Legal System super well -- but it sounds like the judge may have not necessarily believed lying Scooby as much as the fact that he was willing to consider his testimony because no evidence was presented to refute it. (That seems like really bad lawyers ....or, does it tell us that the lawyers felt they'd go down in flames if they put Pierce Morgan, and that's why it wasn't refuted?)
*put Pierce Morgan on the stand
@user-qh6mi4eg4i It's Piers NOT Pierce. Two completely different names.
Question- are we more affronted by a self serving press member trying everything they can to make s story and thereby pay their bills versus someone who has divulged information about his family that only came about purely because he was a member of that family. Much as I find the first so bad I actually find the second MORE distasteful.
Well said. one is illegal but the other is reprehensible.
Those people who just wanted to 'pay their bills' hacked into murdered 13 year old Milly Dowler's phone and interfered with it, causing her family to hope that she might still be alive. Harry's complaints and airing of his family's dirty laundry pales in comparison.
Exactly
How about the UK citizen who was executed by Iran in the midst of negotiations to release and repatriate him? Western military on high alert?NGOs, charities, contractors, retirees, etc. who had to leave the Middle East on as little as two days notice? All based on lies in Spare. Why would he say the multinational 50+ religion GWOT that has fought terrorists in South America and the Phillipines was a Christian army that went to the Middle East to kill Muslims? As even harry knows, that's a Christian Crusade. All men of Faith must rise to defend Islam. Just think about how hard it's going to be for Western troops to find indigenous Muslim allies between that and our shameful American abandonment of our Afghan allies. Harry claimed that he was trained to think of killing men as no more than removing chess pieces from the Board. When his former commander made a video addressed to Harry, he tried to explain to him the consequences of these lies, the danger they put people in. He even pointed out that Harry did nothing in Afghanistan that could cause PTSD. Harry has never been in combat, according to those who were stationed with him. All he did was play video games. They claim he was only in a helicopter to film scripted PR. No one corrected his mistakes. He was allowed to scream at and terrify a captive who was fully immobilized. He's even said in an interview that the first time he saw Wounded and dead men was flying home. Military with combat experience say they never forget that they are killing others. But, since Harry attributes his callousness to the military, the calls for revenge target all military. There's a lot more.
Far worse
He wanted almost £500K from the judge, got £140K, have to pay out £48K and was offered £200K to settled. Well done Earl of Dumbarton.😐
If I understood it correctly from other social media accounts, because Harry received less from the judges findings than he would.d have received had he settled, he now bas to pay costs from the other side. So if this is true, as far as money us concerned he well and truly list. He would have been better taking the settlement money and doing what William did and put it towards Invitus.
Shauna, without disclosing, as a social worker who has worked in Australia and seen the consequences of injustice for many people.. would we want justice? of course, do we continue to fight for twenty years for justice? no we do not.. why? because it will drive us insane, we don't have mummy and daddy to fall back on and pay our bills.. we run out of steam. Most people will attempt to take their lives (or succeed) or they end up having nervous breakdowns. the fact that Hazbeen can take this matter to course (after such an extensive time frame) is a clear case of privilege. Anyway what we are seeing now is a man consumed by bitterness and locked into a juvenile mentality.
Really interesting comment! I confess I didn’t look at seeking justice as a privilege but of course, it is. Really despairing now!
@@thevintageread yes one of the reasons I don't work as a social worker anymore.. it took me five years to qualify (mature age student) caring for a person with a disablity hanging onto principles of social justice and now that i've qualified its all just bull as far as i am concerned.. the lucky get justice (or the privileged). I have a theory about Piers and Mirror group but i'll post it as a different comment.
@@thevocalcrone
I agree. It's the same in workplaces where the smeared victim of bullying is driven out of the company, while the corrupt bully who has often sabotaged & smeared co-workers to climb the greasy ladder, is treated as the golden goose by equally arrogant bosses who have been appraised of their behaviour. As you say, justice, for the most part, seems to be for the privileged or the cunning.
Excellent synopsis.
You are so right. You need money and health to get justice 😊
Thank you for you honest and unbiased look at this court case. It's easy to be distracted by those shouting the loudest. As a content creator you have shown how fair and dignified you are and how tuned you are to your feelings when something doesn't feel right to you. That shows me you are an honest person and your content is well researched and in reality. Thank you for being you.
I agree
What the newspaper group did was sustained and disgusting, the perpetrators deserve to suffer real world criminal consequences.
Harry was hacked only 9 times and suffered no real harm. He isn't "fighting for justice" on behalf of the others who did genuinely suffer, he's fighting for money, and to prove to himself that yet again he's a bigger victim than anybody else.
harry reminds me if chikdren who are at play and are pretending to be adults. My opinion.
The others needed H. For any normal person, the case would have been thrown out as it was past the limitations period. Bringing H into this allowed the others to file late too. The judge stated H was well aware of the phone hacking scandal years ago and could have brought his case sooner, but he said he would allow H to proceed with the case on claims about other unlawful actions, including the newspapers' using private investigators to snoop on him.
@@kadeedid8696
Agree.
He's betrayed his family's privacy....pot calling the kettle black
So traumatized that he turned around and did the same in his book? He blabbed personal information without permission.
I love this video..but please don't say that those accused by the judge can just "easily" defend themselves..it costs an absolute fortune..and as an outsider I have no confidence in the UK civil courts-not penalizing Meghan for lying to the court and saying "I forgot" . I wouldn't want a bench trial with those wigged guys.
Yes silly comment… however I have little sympathy for most of the executives in the know at that time and my personal opinion is a lot of people escaped accountability.
I agree. Court cases are very costly and time/energy sapping.
The funniest part was that knauf and his 3 months worth of documentation came to court because meghan's lawyer thought she spoke the truth, so expected a letter from the Palace saying they had the nothing. ANL believed she lied, so also petitioned the Palace. Yet Meghan and Harry lie and blame william. Haven't heard one lawyer who thought meghan shouldn't have been banged.
I believe Piers explanation But don worry Piers the harkles are on their way down and the government are pushing for their titles of them They’ve no money apparently besides the 60 million Megan has squirrelled away I’m sure some of that money came from the jewellery and items belonging to the queen she stole. She wandered around at night looking for loot to steal
Yes, in most courts, that is perjury. She should have been sent to jail.
It's amazing how she could not remember her contribution to the book, but she can remember how the royal family " mistreated" her.
He's played the wounded traumatized little boy for as much as he can, thrown in a smidgen of mental suffering, a spoon full of self-pity and a grounded up mixture of hate and jealousy disguised as hurt feelings. His sous chef in the background between multiple swigs of wine keeps preparing his next course of venomous actions between showing the world the ' real me' and the need to show love and forgiveness. What...just what .will 2024 bring us all. Silence would be nice but maybe to much to ask for !!!
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We'll said.
Very well said Zoro. The harkles are so unpopular now that even snake island doesnt want them. The harkles have found freedom and are finding karma. It's endgames for them.
Well put!!
Well, it seems Harry expects honesty in his court finding, but unfortunately, it is ok for his wife to ‘forget’ crucial evidence when involved with her court case until an email trail was discovered and she had to apologise to the Judge. She was fortunate not to have been accused of perjury. One rule for them…but if they are anything less than scrupulously transparent in their own dealings, they too shall be held to account.
Since this seems like a cold case, could the Judge go back and penalize Meghan for her lies and coverups to the court?
Two things, the case in question was a civil not a criminal case and secondly the fact she ''forgot'' didn't alter the outcome. The MoS BROKE THE LAW and that is why they lost the case, the judge even TOLD THEM that if they had only printed a few sentences FEWER then they would have WON the case but they didn't - personally I'd have taken the costs out of their legal team's salary - but the judge made his opinion of Meghan's memory issues very clear when she was only awarded a miserly one pound in damages.
@@musicandbooklover-p2o yes, very good point.
@@musicandbooklover-p2o she had published bits of the letter first and it was Thomas markles RIGHT to give the real letter to the press. That case was phony baloney
@@mb-kh2nb Just because YOU think UK laws should be changed to fit this case doesn't mean they should. Just because she gave friends permission to publish bits doesn't mean the media can arbitrarily do the same. PLUS it was explained - in great detail and many times - when it happened that IF the mail had only printed A FEW LESS SENTENCES then THEY would have won the case. Winning on a point of law doesn't necessarily mean anything, and this was reflected in the amount she was awarded - hope she gave that Pound coin to charity as she promised she would. LAWS ARE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, just because YOU disagree with it doesn't mean it has to change.
Absolutely, justice needs to be served and justice should always prevail for all those involved.
The judge did comment that there was so much written information given that wasn't heard in court and that MGN wasn't able to question. Harry's attorneys didn't ask for enough time so that all of the information could be presented and questioned in court. The judge said he had to make assumptions. Omid and Harry both have a lot of history of misresenting the truth. I wouldn't trust anything they said, but the judge did.
I hoped I showed in this video it was only a small part of what he actually considered 😊
@thevintageread
reading the judge's remarks, it sounded like it was substantial.
And the fact that Omid Scobie is the one who dragged Piers claiming HE WITNESSED Piers engaging in illegal information gathering, and as we all know, Omid has a vendetta against Piers because Omid was FIRED from that job and has been out to smear Piers ever since. Not to mention, Omid is a proven lying liar who lies...about EVERYTHING. 🙄
The Judge made assumptions that is extremely scary, especially since it involves Harry and Omid Scobie.
I don't know the British legal system but I find it terrifying that the judge had to 'make assumptions' in any case, civil or criminal. If only one side was free to present additional arguments that the other side did not have the chance to answer, those arguments should not have been considered. To me that is common sense but I have yet to find much of that in any legal system.
The legal system has some very questionable judges. How can anyone say Omid Scobie is an honest person and the judge believes what he said about his time working with Piers Morgan. 😂
I agree however I did point out there was other compelling evidence including physical evidence.
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MGN Barrister was not robust in questioning of Scobie, tbh. I was really surprised at the time because he’s easy enough to discredit. Justice Fancourt can only go by the evidence that is presented, and Scobie really wasn’t challenged.
@@thevintageread Omid said he didn't collaborate with the Sussexes when writing Finding Freedom. There were 3 months worth of texts, faxes. Emails, this was basically full time for for her.
The problem is that judges and courts may only consider the evidence put before them.
As I have pointed out before, Jeffrey Archer didn't go to jail for sleeping with a prostitute, he went to jail for lying in court.
If it is found at some date that Scoobie has lied in court then he will, hopefully, face trial for perjury.
I feel terrible for William, because this happened to him also. But he has been able to see the truth. His mother and brother have been destroyed by losing faith in the people around them that actually loved them and cared about their personal things. The fact that Harry has not learned that lesson from the BBC and Martin Basher's actions is sad that he would still blame his family for sharing information. Now Harry is on a rampage, but was it the press or the Palace? He can't decide. It would seem it was the press. I would like for Earl Spencer to sit him down and explain things. Harry might listen to him. t hey were all pawns for Fleet Street, and nobody was spared for newspaper sales. Dodgy ethics. It seems Harry does not know who was selling him out, but hopefully this verdict will inform him that it was not his family, and stop the attacks. Now Meghan is involved and she has latched onto this paranoia (weather she believes it or not, it works for her) about Harry's family, but she is responsible for putting a lot out there herself. How does William ever stop the attacks on him? Diana believed it of Charles, and it wasn't true, he did not pay her security to spy on her. They wanted her to be safe. Which brings up the question of why Harry wants Royal security, other than it would be free to him?
It's also Harry's making. Should have not thrown his family under the bus. If Harry had not thrown his family under the bus, he might have received more support. But entitled Harry thinks he is the only one allow to speak. Harry has dictator traits. And that is dangerous.
William was wise to settle rather than to have all the stories brought up again and have to admit as H did that the stories were true.
Charles Spencer publicly stated that he supports his nephew's witch hunt against the media, he would love it if they lost the freedom to report ever since he told someone some serious lies and was - innocently it must be said - outed by the media. He was not very happy at all and has had a vendetta against them ever since.
Since MGN settle cases long ago and admitted to some of the claims in the group settlements, the less said, the better. Going on the defense would bring more scrutiny. Piers wanted his day in court to defend himself, but it posed a bigger threat to both sides. Bravo that he made a personal statement to the press, out of court. Even the innocent are then judged guilty by association. It proves the Royal tactic of “Never complain, never explain” works in most circumstances.
You would have to admire if Harry was trying to stand up for an ethical standard of truth in the media, but he wants censorship of media. He wants “his truth” to be told and no one else’s. Media has to be more diligent in putting correct information out there. Fact checking no longer a priority, getting the “clicks” for monetary gain beats out truth. Too bad Harry fails miserably at his own moral conduct in his personal life by sharing information of those once close to him. Even if he could manage to tell the “truth” about a situation or a conversation shared in private, he never considers the others involved and the affects on their lives. He admittedly stated he sold out to make “protection money” for his family while ruining other families. The constant examples of documented hypocrisy can’t help but shed doubt and distain for anything Harry now touches. Harry and Meghan have proven themselves to be who they are. Unfortunately, they’re not who they want us to think they are.
I love your channel, because from the start, I saw that you always try to look at all sides, scenarios and possible motivations of what is written and presented to the public in your book reviews. It is okay to call a prat a prat, especially Harry. There’s plenty of documented evidence to prove your information correct and true. But, you are a genuine “lady” and you consider being fair. Which makes your Snarky Snippets even more delectable and hilarious when the lady shows a bit of cheekiness!💋💋 Keep up the great work.
Piers WAS guilty which is almost certainly why he wasn't called. The Mirror KNEW he was guilty - and of worse things than keeping quiet about the hacking - and that they might just end up being worse off as a result. I don't think they want Milly Dowler brought up again and they certainly won't want the faked photos episode brought up again either.
Avid Gardner did a fantastic summary of the findings
She did! I concentrated on other aspects but she nailed it.
Everyone should go and listen to avid Gardner's on this it was excellent and informing
63s, very interesting, a must watch
Harry might think he won, but he was used and still is by everybody involved: his attorney, the media etc.
William took the money and donated it. At the same time he protected hus family and sent a message to the media to take good care in future. In my opinion he might have taken into consideration, that any involvement in a court case would distract and would not be of any use for other victims. And let's be honest Charles and William suffered more from unlawful actions by the media than Harry ever did. In fact Harry added to this by putting their private matters out there in court and invaded his father's and brother's privacy as much as the press did.
He could have supported the claiments without being one, but his ego didn't let go of his victimhood and need to be called "The Dragon Slayer". This is not the way to get real justice and hold the responsible people accountable.
I agree the claim would have been stronger without him x
Exactly. Harry created the media circus for the last couple of years. Shame on Harry for what he did to his family.
Most of the case (see Avid Gardener) was thrown out...he only 'won' a small part.
@@miriammorgan1140 Avid did a great job of summarizing each article. H was not given good advice from his legal team. So many pieces of "evidence" did not even pertain to him or had already been published by other media or were gossip from friends or had no legal UK legal basis ( US or Spanish law). Perhaps, H insisted on using those situations. It makes the legal team look bad though.
So good to get the full substance of the case from the very beginning, Shauna. Thank you for your valuable offerings. I wasn't aware of many past incidences. So sad for those who 'unalived' because of the horrible smearing & suspicion. Your information did shed another light onto the current case for me. The whole thing is so murky.
It is isn’t it.
Please don't think I'm being rude, but the term "unalive" is not, to my knowledge, used in Australia. I was most surprised to hear you use it.
Putting that aside, I always look forward to your postings.
@@carmenbyrne6521
My understanding of using the ’unalive’ is so it doesn’t trigger the algorithm or CZcamss guidance using certain words of which s -u-i-c- i-d-e- is one
I think it’s used by many content creators in many countries here on CZcams
Hope this helps
@@Loobylooto2
Thank you for the explanation, I can understand, but being close to 80, all the gender stuff, and now these "corruptions" of words leave me absolutely nonplussed. Probably good not to be far from my box. . . 😒
@@Loobylooto2
Yes, I've followed other CZcamsrs who were deplatformed by CZcams for using certain trigger words, as you say. They asked their audience to use alternative words instead. We'd rather use the proper words but we don't want to get Shauna deplatformed because of CZcams's wacky requests. She's too precious. But I totally understand where @carmenbyrne6501 is coming from. I'm only a couple of decades behind Carmen in age.
Thanks for this Shauna.
It's the age-old problem of wanting a free press, but not being able to trust that the reporting is conducted in an honourable manner. Also, if Justice is blind, shouldn't it be effective too?
I agree x
The problem is the public clamour for juicy info and never once call into question how it was obtained. Its what sells newspapers. In years gone past the press tapped phones right back into the 1920's & 30's. Those that read and absorb the salacious gossip are the ones that feed the machine. Just look at what click bait titles do to the 'likes' on CZcams. It's exactly the same thing. Feeding the gossip machine, which in turn, is known as the general public.
That's where Piers Morgan has gained my respect. He fights for the truth to come out, he'll debate it, he'll admit when he's wrong. We need more like him.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Shouldn't the press just be held to the same standards as everyone else and leave them to it? If they're playing dirty pool but doing it legally, people will find it distasteful and they will lose customers. If they're breaking the law, then they're breaking the law.
As for Scobie's evidence that he was shown/told/overheard about hacking when he was working at the newspaper in a very junior position or work experience. I'm just glad he wasn't working at the Bank of England or he would be claiming they told him the combination to the safe.
Nobody should ever be above the law however high up they are... I think you are right, if this civil case has proven guilt to individuals then if the families involved want to proceed to criminal court then they absolutely should be able to..... these reporters should be held accountable.
I wouldnt stress too much over being any kind of distraction from the underlying truth with this case.... there are hundreds of other youtube accounts highlighting just Harry and Piers...
I am so pleased you have made this video.... so in depth and very interesting .. well done 👏
love all your videos ❤
Thanks I appreciate that very much x
Thankyou Shona. I am not interested in watching completely one sided ideas. Prince Harry is a fop and his wife is a Hussler. I can’t stand them. However, Piers Morgan is not my hero just because he, at this moment in time, reflects my feelings. I will always remember the 13 year old Millie Dowler. I’m sorry if people get upset with this but I was in the UK when it was all going on. I feel sick still about it and am glad press hacking is being revisited, Never Forget.
While it is disturbing that justice wasn't served as an overarching concept, we all knew that when rupert rehired rebekah brooks. However as just an ordinary person we haven't seen justice in 40 years. We are the ordinary people who pay our tax and work hard, raise our kids but haven't amassed wealth. Its our kids who we have to apologise to because life has become a trudge for them and they certainly can't expect justice. Only the wealthy get justice, the devious get rewarded.
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@@downieduck2414 And you are just ordinary as a person.
Blackbelt Barrister is brilliant for explaining legal matters without bias, he explains legal jargon, gives advice ( not individual advice) but stays neutral, he went all through the documents for Harry's cases and he will say what he thinks he will win / loose
I find the act of phone hacking deplorable and all those involved should face the full force of the law. I agree with you whole heartedly, if it was my family I would want the perpetrators to face justice.
Poor Catherine suffered the most with a 155 hacks...who was found guilty of that???anybody? Somebody???
I think the judgement was a way for Harry to win…. Without actually winning.
The judgements for the other claimants were where the justice lies.
Harry bragging it's a win...no Harry. Most of your claims were thrown out. The Judge said some of your evidence was unreliable. Polite way for saying you made stuff up....again called out.
@@usercarefree44one of the litigants lost because it was out of time, not because it wasn't true.
@esterbengoa6077 I'm only dealing with Harry's. To hear him use words like honesty and integrity ..after telling so many lies...
Harry won on those articles where it was likely that illegal information gathering occurred because there were no other sources of legal information gathering offered. These cases were actually admitted by MGN and a settlement was offered before trial but Harry refused. He was offered first £200k and then £300k and turned down both offers. It's quite simple, he won because his case was proved. It's over a 300 page judgement going through each article, discussing the evidence, making the judgement and giving reasons why.
I completely agree with you, I dislike Harry but calling out disgusting journalism is the right thing to do.
Those 5 named colluders should have to step down from their lofty positions. Too bad Rupert Murdoch remains untouchable.
It would be very difficult for the Judge to not award anything if there was already settlements offered.
I understand that MGN had already admitted guilt over certain articles and offered settlement in accordance with that.
By his behaviour, Harry should be sectioned!
As a Canadian, I'm only peripherally impacted by any of this, but find it fascinating and thankful to you Shauna, for sorting it out in such a professional, albeit humorous, way. I still think Harry is a doofus who can't seem to grow up, and hopefully, Piers has too much at stake to lie.
I think it’s appalling that anyone would / could hack a phone …. I only heard tonight In fact that they dialed VM and put in codes …… which is still extremely wrong ! Yes regardless of time past they deserve to be held accountable!
Thank you, Shawna. I truly appreciate your due diligence by looking at each side of the story. That’s something that we all should do more often. I always look forward to your videos. They are insightful, informative, entertaining, and quite often hilarious! Thank you! 💜
Thank you so much!
I love your approach.
But.... I will always defend piers morgan as he was the only one who defended our Royal Family.
Outstanding, Shauna. I’m speechless over your focus on detail. You’re always stirring the smart soup for your fans. Making everyone think…..with gusto. Wonderful session.
Thanks so much 😊
I love your analytical mind Shauna- have a wonderful Christmas and can’t wait to catch up in the New Year! 🌲 🇬🇧
Thanks x
I am Welsh 🏴 The Duchess of Narsussex pointed out the “slaying of dragons” (in H’s statement) could be a direct threat, allegedly, to the Prince of Wales & his family. As Peter Hyatt, the statement analyst says, people’s brains sometimes say things unconsciously that reveal truths. Guilty knowledge, Embedded truths. Do his words reveal the depth of Hazbeen’s worrying hatred of the Waleses. 🤷♀️🇬🇧🏴
Yep he doesn't want to see the Prince of Wales on the throne. The toxic duo are evil. He can't destroy the monarchy from the outside so now they are trying to do it from the inside by moving back to the UK part time.
I thought that was a bit of a stretch… I think he just wanted to be a hero! 😂
@@thevintageread hmmm…love your unbiased report! You are doing excellent work ! 👏🏼Thank you 💐
In my opinion he would only say what his wife told him to
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Tangled webs indeed, and you are correct to set aside both Harry and Piers. This historic case should clearly be seen as separate to any current ongoings by the Harkles and the contempt they encourage and heap upon themselves by their allegedly torrid accusations and continual, duplicitous unsubstantiated allegations. I am sure we will see the comeuppance of the Machiavellian Scoobie-do, and both Harkles, if we wait a little longer. Truth and Karma.
So loved how you presented this video. As you inferred our personal bias can cloud our better judgement. BUT I still wouldn't trust Harry as far as I could kick him, (he is just "TOW" mouth piece) AND I acknowledge that Piers has a personal agenda, but I would trust his loyalty to the RF and all us citizens of the Commonwealth, never forgetting he has the platform to expose the disgusting behaviour of those two former Royals. If King Charles welcomes the whinger back into the family, I'm fine with that, it's his son and KC is a Christian man, but if he is brought him back into the 'firm' well I'm not fine with that!!!!! Thanks again for your well presented video❤
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Like how they treat PA, that's how H should be treated too...
But, behind close doors 🚪 of course as H is his troubled, ungrateful and trashy son ... Perhaps HG Tudor will be able to help him ...😅😂
NOBODY with his past is loyal to the crown, in fact his actions towards the military show that he is NOT loyal either to the crown or the country let alone the commonwealth. His actions were those of a traitor and, in my own personal opinion, he shouldn't just have lost his job/been sacked but he should have been prosecuted and imprisoned as well.
EDIT I mean Piers Morgan incidentally, NOT talking about Harry. And King Charles is ignoring his youngest son so no issues to worry about there.
I remember there was a time when you wondered why so many of us were so annoyed with these two. It’s been an amusing journey to see you see the light😂
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Well done for keeping to the facts, we can all get carried away with tribal reactions at times and turn a blind eye to inconvenient truths!! Another great thought provoking video!
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Shauna, the most intelligent, insightful, and evenhanded evaluation of this judicial outcome. Thank you for bringing some clarity and balance to what has been such a divisive issue. A great end to another year. Have a great Christmas and enjoy your break.
Thank you , you too! 💕
So happy for more in depth videos! I watch the snarky snippets to support your channel but these are the videos that I love to watch and am impressed by.
Thank you Shauna for zeroing on what is important. I'm so tired of hearing that "this one" is the hero, the dragon slayer in all this. Some people have quickly forgotten that this hero made an utter fool of himself in court.
You are so fair and balanced. I really enjoy listening to you 😊
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I was going to read the judgement, but it is daunting at 386 pages of legalese. Thank you for wading through this situation to present this fair and honest assessment, and for the link. Yes, I would absolutely want the perpetrators to be held accountable, and agree that the rule of law must be enforced. Let the evidence see the light. I would like some good to come out of all of this. Brilliant breakdown, Shauna! Thank you again for actually studying this, and stating that there was physical evidence for Judge Fancourt to go by!
I would want the journalists to go to jail for their crimes. A civil suit isn't going to punish these people. Bashir should have been extradited and tried.
I can’t imagine someone listening to my private conversations!! I hope the clear truth comes out. That’s really the only justice.
I look to your channel to give a balanced view and the unvarnished truth. You never fail in your pursuit of both. The little side of humor just makes it all the more fun!
Tough one to inject humour into but managed a tad! 😂💗
104 items, 15 won, 18 lost, 71 thrown out so not a win for Harry for me. Avid Gardner like yourself Shona went through the 104 items and explained them in her first video on CZcams yesterday if anyone wants to see it.
I’m a fairly new subscriber and have to say my respect for you grows exponentially with every video I watch. This analysis is unbiased, fair, articulate, well-researched and in-depth. You sweep away all the muck and conspiracy theories and piers/harry garbage to shine a light on…facts omg!
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What I don't understand is why Harry didn't settle when William did.
Because Harry didn't care then. He was hacked twice. William and Catherine were hacked over 160 times....but thought he should have the same money. No he wasn't deserving of a large payout. Harry chose to attach himself to others case . It was for the attention and his name may have helped a little...Harry used it to get at the Press so he can control them..and to continue to fire at his family. Harry leaked more private information in his sook book that ever occurred in his limited hacking. He has invaded more peoples privacy too. He is the most hypocritical of all.
William donated £1 million to the Invictus games from his. I think they all thought that would satisfy Harry. But Megsy brainwashed him.
Cause he wanted the same as William got but was offered much less
@gailmaree7719 The Press didn't care for the sp are...William was their target as the heir...and he and Catherine were the main victims
@@usercarefree44 of course ..but Hazbeen thought he was equal so wanted the same amount. When he didnt get it he spat the dummy and took them to court. Costly exercise. Only proved the saying..you get what you deserve.
You are absolutely correct, Shauna. A very well thought out argument. I only discovered your channel a month or so ago and it has quickly become one of my favourites. You are so cheerful, witty, intelligent and articulate, it is an absolute delight to listen to you. I am looking forward to catching up on previous episodes! May you and your family have a truly blessed Christmas and may the New Year bring us many more wonderful hours of reviews and snarky snippets!
I agree with you about stepping back and examining the evidence in the court findings. So many variables...a "tea boy" on work experience would not have been present at board meetings for one! Piers and other board members were not informed of phone hackin by Sly Bailey, but did Piers question the executive director and was assured that it was not going on? Maybe that was twisted by the Scobie creature for the sake of his idols.....he did lie about H&M involvement on Finding Freedom ,so is not a reliable witness Also, Piers left the Mirror group in 2004, Harrys cases reffferred to 2003-2009...so Piers was barely around for most of that time.😊
I love how you are able to view all these issues u cover without prejudice & objectives other than to see the true facts! I thank you for all your time, research & in-depth coverage of all your work. I can’t see myself having the intelligence, patience, and above all love of reading & research to find all the true details in the books with the above mentioned talents. You are the most forthright & at the same entertaining book & news reviewer I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching/reading. Thank you 🙏 ❤ so very much. 🎉
That means so much to me! Thank you very much X
Shauna, i absolutely love your impartiality and just producing the facts. Well done girl.
Sad that she has to molly coddle the viewers to use some objectivity. We should have the maturity to be objective about things. Alas...
Excellently presented
It is a true rarity getting an in-depth unbiased analysis.
Your research, analysis, and conclusions are brilliant. Please don't pay attention to the dimwits who are unable to consider factual information. You are doing a great job.
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I would want Justice definitely. It’s horrible how corrupt the world can be. Thank you for a great film x
Another great video. Well explained and makes a lot of sense. To the question, how did the defence choose not to defend themselves like the could have. I think these court cases bring a lot of money. I have a feeling that Piers Morgan or others will and want to have their day in court. Imagine Piers Morgan taking Harry and Scobie to court for defamation!
I’d watch!
I'd watch too.
Drinking tea while getting the tea is always delicious! As a former journalist great job! From my first media classes in ethics and law these are always thorny issues with no easy answers. Unfortunately going to court is the only way to handle irresponsible reporting if you want to keep free press ; but our court systems are also quite messy & justice can be tricky.
Maybe MGN wants Harry to pursue criminal charges against them? Maybe they want their day in court to put him under pressure on the stand.
I always felt that Harry joining this suit was doing a grave disservice to all the others who were part of the same suit. His presence seemed to turn the publics' perception of what they were trying to do into it being a "Harrys' personal fight against the media" show and it seems as if a lot of people wanted Harry to lose, and still do. Those people have all got lost in it because of Harry. His evidence highlighted his sense of superiority and entitlement. He thought he could literally just turn up and say someone did something with no evidence. The others were not offered 350,000 pounds to walk away from it 10 years ago. Harry is not after justice, he want to smack them around so that no newspaper or media outlet is game enough to publish anything about him or her that is not favourable. He wants to control what they say. His post finding statement refers to being a dragon slayer. It has been all about him. The other claimants want justice for the criminally invasive ways their personal lives were revealed to the world.
Great video again! Agree with much you have said. What these journalists & their bosses got away with was abhorrent and they should be held accountable as too should Prince Harry et al for their lies
You have opened my eyes and shook me out of my echo chamber a little.
I remember when it all kicked off, I was on holiday in Turkey at the time and me and my brother were glued to the outside TV watching it unfold (drinking bottles of cold lager, in the sunshine so it wasn’t all bad)
We could not believe it brought down The News of the World.
I did not realise that there was a second Leveson Inquiry. Just shows how easily these important things get forgotten about and buried if there is no one ‘banging the drum’ and ironically it’s not that someone could go to the newspapers to keep the issue alive.
Great video, thank you
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A spin off from this is a sting in the tail for Prince Harry. He was offered £350,000 as a settlement which he refused. He has now been awarded £150 k ish. This means that he will have to bear cost consequences and it is going to cost him in the region of £1 million plus.
Settling out of court is the best option
I think it is time to let it go especially since it is past the time. And in today’s time a lot of the information gathering is even more extensive. In terms of criminal proceedings, I feel like it in a time such as now, it is not worth cost as there are so much more important things to focus on.
I found it irritating that Harry’s case was heard way outside the statute of limitations and yet over fifty women in California, THEIR CASES weren’t going to trial because all of the rapes were past that statute. Atrocious crimes that they were affected the rest of their lives, yet Harry whining on his phone could still be heard. The disparity is mind boggling. Maybe it is America vs British law, but it seems outlandish to me.
Say that Shauna, Haz used to be my favorite. I am so sorry for the late Queen & Prince Philip, bc if little ol' me feels this disappointed 😔 I can only imagine how they felt.
Prince William took the good from his G'ma QE2, his Father KC3 & his late mother (God rest her soul). He's out her helping the homeless. His kids are seen helping others. These aren't new fly by events for the Wales'. I appreciate their consistency.
This case is so complicated that i'm happy to have your help sorting through it. Great work Ms Shauna 💖
How about in Harry’s book when he outed the lady he lost his virginity to-maybe she should sue him….
Well done, Shauna!
🎄Merry Christmas to you and your family !🎄🎅🏼🤶
Thank you! You too!
Criminal charges should be faced by the editors and owners of the newspapers.
Murdoch owned papers being so highly toxic, I was disappointed when he wasn't jailed along with other News of the world reporters.
Thank you Shauna for your fair & balanced perspective on this. I think it's much too easy to talk about Harry's part in this alone. I'm sure I speak for a lot of people who just want to see some sort of repercussions for all the hurt & chaos he has caused. It is short sighted to only focus on that. It's very important to not just make videos of what people want to hear but more of what we need to hear. Thank you for that!
Bravo Shauna ! This is a well thought out and fair and analytical video. You make a very compelling point of view.
"The court previously heard that Mr Scobie did work experience at The Daily Mirror in spring 2002, and overheard Mr Morgan being told that information relating to Kylie Minogue and her then-boyfriend James Gooding had come from voicemails.
In his judgment, the judge said an article about them in May 2002 carried the byline of James Scott “who was one of the showbiz journalists and a known phone hacker”.
The judge added that there was a £170 invoice from private investigator firm TDI to Mr Scott from earlier that month, for “extensive inquiries carried out on your behalf”, and the mobile telephone numbers of both people were in Mr Scott’s PalmPilot"
Scobie has form for lying on behalf of H and M and the invoice is old news so he could well have made up the story about overhearing the conversation.
I agree that Har.ry's involvement has influenced and possibly skewed people's viewd and attitudes. He has such polarizing effect‼️ Many simply want him to fail and forget that there are other claimants whose lives have been affected adversely.
Mthks for reminding of the physical evidence 👍
You are to be commended for your fair and comprehensive treatment of this. If some one, or some entity breaks the law they should be held accountable. We are currently dealing with this in the US. No one should be above the law. Absolutely no one. If Harry was adversely affected (and I believe he was, both himself and his mother, father and brother) then he has the right to call it out. Keeping in mind a broken clock is right twice a day! Thank you for this unbiased look. (and have a very happy Christmas!)
Thank you for your objective analysis, for digging down to the core of real issues. I think creating distractions are part of the strategy for many many things lately. Here in America, the news cycle spins quickly due to media distractions that some people engage in. It’s frustrating to say the least. Coming back to truth and basic facts are a brilliant way to stay balanced.
❤That has cleared up so many of the points for me. Excellent analysis, bless you and your wonderful and clear unbiased thinking. Looking forward to the Housekeepers memories. ❤
Excellent summing up~ I would definitely want phone-hacking journalists called to account.
Thank you. A couple of points: refuting anything may have been a distraction to the core reason for MNG ‘s case, attacking Harry’s credibility and memory. The other point was it doesn’t necessarily follow that an invoice from an investigator showing private number of celebrities means the numbers were hacked. Whilst I believe that criminal wrong doing shouldn’t be subject to a statute of limitations, at some stage, it’s about getting on with one’s life and maybe that can’t be done if justice is out of reach.
Thank you for all the hard work you have put into this past year. ❤😊
Awwww thank you 😘😊💗
Damn, Harry. People literally unalived themselves and those families are grieving that permanent loss about PRIVATE things revealed that they aren't making $$$ off on Netflix documentaries about and he's whining about that Chelsea lady who dropped his smooth brain and moved on with her life because of this? I think it just speaks inextricably about himself Piers that they are egomaniacs and won't allow the others who have felt this all so deeply take the stage and the headlines. It all has to be about "me". This entire video made my skin crawl about how media can hinder justice; well done, Shauna!
It’s awful the way Harry the barely involved foghorn and his scabby sidekick distracted from this important issue of justice… quite sickening in fact! Great job of research 🧐🎄🦘🦘🦘🦘🐨🇦🇺
Thank you for sharing your thoughts Shauna
Interesting video. I appreciate your unbiased and informed information. Merry Christmas!
This is why I listen to you. I agree that we need to go beyond the 'glee of the failings' and the distractions of those. We need to understand the basic human impacts of the what is buried. And the concerns of those.
Well done. As much as I have enjoyed gossips before bed and snarky snippets, I see these careful, intelligent, intentional, researched and documented analyses as what sets you apart from other commentators. I have bought several books based on your recommendations and have of been disappointed. Keep up the good work.😊
Thanks for listening
I meant I have NOT been disappointed by the recommended books--my bad.
Thank you - a very useful background review and analysis. Many of us come to YT channels like yours to get this sort of meatier content, rather than just the mindless criticism and b*tching of the Montecitans , which can be found on many other channels, which - much like eating too many cream buns - is enjoyable at the time, but doesn't make you feel great in the longer term. Very much appreciate your accuracy and precision, and also putting forth alternative views and ideas for intelligent consideration. I am happy to allow H this small 'victory', in the wider interests of the greater good, on the assumption that his own sins will, indeed, find him out in the fullness of time. Things seem to be going fairly well in that respect at present...!
I can understand your points, and I had to make myself wait until the end before saying this. I believe when the Queen said recollections may vary, it is the most profound and true statement. It is also the basis for statute of limitations. While it seems unfair, we cannot negate our recollections of events evolve over time. This case did have facts and proof, but he had to weigh recollections of events. This is where I have a problem. Twenty some years ago, hacking was the norm, it was wrong, but it was how the papers gathered gossip. So I find it very difficult anyone who worked in the paper would recall detailed conversations when it was “the norm”. I’ll stop here, enjoyed listening to your thoughts even though I don’t wholeheartedly agree…. 🥰
Very valid point!
I loved your take on the judicial ruling. I am a retired Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) and an ex-criminal prosecutor in the USA, so I cannot speak to the intricacies of the British criminal justice system; however, in the USA, the ability to pursue individuals criminally for most crimes (although not all) is limited by a statue of limitations. If a statute of limitations applies, then once it kicks in, the perpetrator(s) of the crime(s) can no longer be criminally prosecuted. My guess is this might also be the case in Great Britain, too, because the roots of of the majority of our legal system (except in Louisiana and some of our territories) were based on the British legal system. Somewhat of a bummer, don’t you think?
Definitely a bummer! 😂 Really interesting comment, thank you.
The muddy part is that the info-gathering was made by dialing voice-mail numbers and using the standard passcode, which most people did not bother to change. It might have been amoral but it wasn't really 'hacking'.
Dear Shauna, so intelligently and compassionately discussed. I've been following the whole monteshitshow madness for a couple of years but the recent events of Harry's wins have left me feeling anxious and disturbed. Your delivery of the situation has had the clarity of bells - thank you. As you say, we are all desperate for the narcissistic duo to have a final comeuppance that, once and for all, shuts them up, so news of Harry's sanctimonious response to his wins, plus news items still stating that Meghan is mending bridges with KCIII, is making me think twice about listening to any more. Thank you for bringing your intellect to bear on this matter😅🙏🏻😅
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Well presented Shauna x
Often major points are swept away in hysteria x the major players in this murky case has their cake 🍰 and walk away as lives are destroyed forever x unfortunately if not taken up by the wealthy who can afford to challenge these findings it will be buried and everyone moves on x tragic….
Thanks for this explanation. I thinks it's a shame this case was bourght by a group of complainants. It muddies the issue because there is the potential for dislike towards any individual complainant. And there are the time lines. These issues happened a long time ago. During times when technology and the understanding about technology was at the child stage of development for many people. As someone who STILl struggles with phones and refrigerator settings...... I can see that even high powered people - the bosses - at that time might not fully understand how things were being done. Is this an excuse...? maybe.....? I can see though, that getting real clarity would have been and is tricky.
I have been thinking that following on from William's settlement, that the media have been tightening up on their practises. Self policing more, if you like....... so that hacking does not go on - now. I may be wrong in this assumption? Are the people who settled - back in the day - part of this latest case........ and if so, will they be able to be awarded damages? I do have a feeling that a few books will be written.
These days.... scammers are a scourge. A short while ago, I had taken out a subscription thing with a large concern..... and later cancelled it. The phone calls started about the subscription....... they just needed my card details to stop the direct debit. Luckily, I was aware and said no. I contacted the concern and they said they would NEVER do business over the phone call like that. It was a scam. - to get my card details. Many people do get caught out and lose lots of money to these scammers. The point is, how did the scammers get my phone number and how did they know I had recently cancelled my subscription. So, out there in the world of technology, bad things are still happening and no one seems able to stop it. ?
Enough waffling from me.
Just want to say that your report was superb 👌
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Very intelligent lady. Thankyou for making us all think outside the box
Thank you for your honesty ❤ You are such a breath of fresh air in this bipolar world of the Harry and Meghan Drama ....
I like what you are doing, keep it up. Too few voices offering balanced opinion (and not ‘both-sides’ ing it). The gentle humor and snark are the icing on a cake baked with honesty and integrity.
Much appreciated!
You’ve jumped right into my heart ❤ such a pleasure (and a treat) to listen to you 💜💓💜
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It is "sticky" Shauna. It no longer happens and if a journalist was caught doing this now they would almost certainly be prosecuted so they dont. A better outcome than historically evidenced show trials or a Ministry for Press Regulation.
Finally, as you point out the real victims here were the unsuccessful claimants (in costs terms probably all of them) who no doubt encouraged by Harrys presence in the Group were persuaded to turn down reasonable offers of settlement in favour of speculative claims in which in truth they were expecting a much bigger payday rather than "justice". Its an ingenious and quite deadly Judgment for a lot of malefactors.
I'll shut up now. I do enjoy your clear headed, sharp and sparklingly humorous analysis; but what you get from the Law is the Law; for justice there's always Socrates.
You are so fun. And detailed and balanced.