She didn't change him - she removed him from the protection of the Palace PR machine who had worked incredibly hard to protect the public from seeing the real Harry - a nasty piece of work. These two are as bad as each other.
This is an interesting and plausible perspective. Harry is a tittle tattler and a highly jealous and envious person. Meghan fuels his jealousies and magnifies them. Remember the text message harry said William sent in that lying Netflix series and how Meghan reacted encouraging harry to become angry
I don’t think she fundamentally changed him but she has allowed and encouraged him to become his worst self, she is a narcissist and has manipulated him with memories of his mother and whilst it is easy to manipulate his thinking it doesn’t really change your personality so he has always had this side to him, the RF just did a better job of covering it up.
I believe Meghan picked up on Harry’s insecurities and amplified them for use. Harry’s very troubled, he’s an easy mark. I think if meg was a good influence for Harry, she would have been able to sort what he was overly sensitive about & give him more mature options for why certain issues that he would deem offensive or against him are really not as bad as he thinks they are. Who Harry needs is someone he trusts who can inform him on what his reality really is. Ppl like Harry are ripe for picking by ppl like meg bc they are arrogant & childish. Very easily riled up, ego pumped & easily led. I say this bc I know someone like meg, who come into a family and was able to gage the weaknesses & sway the dynamics of the fam in order to play for dominance in their partners life. Part of that comes with separation of family, creating drama where there isn’t and making more drama over something innocent In order to take control of both of their lives. A person like this can’t do that with someone who is very self aware, Harry was the perfect mark. This is happening to Harry bc his family have always felt sorry for him, instead of making him learn some tough lessons. I have a feeling that bc harry isn’t very intelligent, he was kept away from a lot of the “adult” decisions which made him feel like he was being worked against. But for those “adults” in the room, dealing with Harry prob was a difficult issue. Much easier to just go over his head than deal with his antics. I would also note, it’s very likely she did a lot of homework into Harry in order to create her big love story. He was sold on her very easily. There is NO doubt, she will leave him high and dry, and I’m sorry but Harry needs this lesson, the same way Diana did when she fell for the reporters lies. Harry’s having his own moment.
I'm not so sure he'll learn the lesson when she leaves him. If his past is any indication, he'll end up blaming the press, and perhaps even his family, for "chasing her off".
I actually think Meghan has always been this way. There is a video where she was at an event for Suits and she was being interviewed and she looked at the girl interviewing her up and down and had this mean/amused look after doing so as if the woman’s outfit was laughable but she had this cruel subtle smile on her face. She’s a mean girl, 100%
@@hollybrooke322 That´s what I suspect. I know it sounds strange, but I do think Meghan is very insecure. The wedding in the field, was it the one where Meghan was dressed HORRIBLY in a white and blue dress, her hair a MESS? She just looked awful, and she must have known it. I think she was very insecure at that wedding (if that was the one.). Insecurity often comes off as arrogance. Now, it sounds like I am defending Meghan. I really am not, I cannot stand her. If she is insecure, she shouldn´t keep putting herself in the spotlight, should she?
@@asbisi I agree that deep down she's very insecure and feels very inadequate which is why she overcompensates and always tries to be someone she's not. Lived with this behavior all my life - this is exactly how my sister has been from a very young age !!
I am inclined to believe marriage emboldened Harry the way he is today. He certainly has a lot of pent up rage and adolescent resentment and by virtue of having someone by his side allowed him to reveal his true character, which is the antithesis of a carefully groomed prince. Harry’s interviews, documentary and memoir are peppered with so many cringeworthy character flaws that that is the real person he is with or without Meghan. With Meghan, they feed off each other’s irrational delusions in a very destructive way.
The Palace was complicit in the upbringing of this very unpleasant person. A perfect storm arose when he married an equally unpleasant person. So long as Charles continues to dither these two will spell the end of the Royal Family.
If that were the case we wouldn't know about the trouble he's been in over the years. I think the most the Palace can do is deal with the fall out in the press. It's the same situation with Andrew, if the Palace could hide things, then we certainly wouldn't know about that. Or the cash for honours with KC3. These Royals receive advice, some choose to ignore it and get caught out.
100% agree. There are a video of Harry abusing a polo horse to the point it had to be laid to rest. Well documented in the press at the time. For me, that’s the line. Animal abuse says it all about a person’s character.
So now is addition to being a Drunk, Drug Addicted and Delusional Dim-Wit, he is also Destructive. He ought to be locked up in an Island somewhere (with his wife) and fed vegetarian chicken for the rest of his life.
There are stories with Diana that she did not set up boundaries or give Harry "punishment" when he did bad things. His racist slurs (attention getting/meant to embarass others?) Started in his little boy years. He'd be on double decker with Diana and start to mouth off to the ticket taker who was South Asian. Also riding his tricycle into an officer's shins - nothing. There's pictures of him kicking Wm in shins when he got hugs from Harry's Mum. Nasty little thing.
So that would be her excuse for why she alienated the RF? What excuse would be made for why she doesn’t speak to her own family, especially to her father who afforded her a great education and was still paying for it even after she started earning thousands from Suits?
I recommend you listen to HG Tudor on YT because he explains a lot (& often) about how Narcissists operate. It helps so much to understand this crazy situation. Mainly, Narcissists HATE being given advice, being told no, being 2nd fiddle to ANYONE, even The Queen! They go scorched earth in revenge for imagined slights. They MUST have the last word! You can imagine how hard that is when the "person" you're having your ongoing imaginary fight with, is the Royal Family, and in the news often. The narc needs to clap back. Even if the other person is just trying to mind their own business, go about their daily life. The narc always thinks everything is about them and they need to retaliate. Anther important narc trait is they can't help taking about themselves, everything they say is actually about themselves and they self-snitch or make a "confession by projection" constantly. Same with her own family. When her Dad was in the news often, she would have to clap back. Now that he mostly stays out of the news, she doesn't need to mention him.
IMHO, Harry like Andrew before him was jealous he was born after his brother. While he got the benefit of all the privileges, he never learned the enormity of the role of the Prince of Wales. Like everyone said: All the privileges and none of the responsibility. I suspect that ought to give one a skewed perspective. As it is I prefer the way the practice of the old Ottomans: When a new Sultan is Crowned, they strangle the Spares.
@@kaimalino528 Nah Edward has turned out alright, otherwise I can see the logic with the way that Andrew and Harry have turned out (their intelligence level and inability to see future consequences might come into it too)
I think that they are two of a kind and both are mean, jealous and spiteful. They suit each other perfectly. So sad that they didn't just go away and live a happy life.
I've been saying this very thing from the beginning. He's gaslighting her, she's gaslighting him & they're both gaslighting the everyone around them. They're both projecting their own insecurities on to everyone else.
Is there really a debate? You can't grow a pernicious weed that fast unless the root is already well established (just because it's underground. & you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there). Now the pair are like Japanese Knotweed.& no one can dig them out.
I think it was Tom Bower who said that the only reason people believed Harry was a good guy and blamed Meghan for everything was because he has always been a better actor than she is.
In their engagement interview, Harry said he and Meghan were going to teach people the right way to think. I found this the most disturbing thing about the interview and don't understand why noone has mentioned it in light of the events of the last years
Thank you for being fair and balanced! You had some excellent insights about Harry. It is true that both Harry and Meghan were raised without consequences and were basically spoiled.
I read a brief interview of Chelsea Davies where she was quoted, literally in quote marks that she broke up with Harry because he spent so much time complaining about his family, non-stop, and she realized that listening to him was not helping in any way. So she told him to get help, and she left him. I have heard many speculations and I think he claimed he broke it with her, but that is what someone like him would say.
He's always been difficult but he's ensnared by a narcissist who's reduced his emotional empathy so much his narcissistic qualities come to the fore...we're witnessing his sustained devaluation. Sad isn't it that we can recognise narcissistic abuse but do nothing about it...
@The Vintage Read Show we're definitely trying as they're an education of it in action....but normal folk don't usually get half the world shouting it and authors writing books with receipts of literally her character. Really enjoy this channel thankyou, you have a lovely voice 😊
@@thevintageread the missing piece of these conversations is the pathway to guide someone who has found themselves ensnared with a narcissist. Observers can easily identify the problem, but Harry is ensnarled in a twisted pile of rope and can’t get free. Those that are the hardest to love are those that need love the most.
It is sad to see & not be able to help. Adults have to want things to act on those desires to change. Even with best intentions, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink. Until recent years I never really knew or understood what a narcissist was. I think that type of behaviour in general is quite foreign to most people. So when you come across someone with those characteristics it’s almost unbelievable.
Chocodigi, spot on! I also listen to HG Tudor on YT and it helps so much to understand the narcissist relationship dynamic and how destructive it is. Also Harry has indulged in revision of history, especially about the "men in grey suits", the "firm". In his book, when talking about the Sandringham Summit, he includes good encounters with the Courtiers, including Mr R and Lady Susan who asked if he was OK. I don't think they originally were the big bad that he thinks, now that his memory has been skewed.
I went through a situation with my sister that seemed so similar. We had been very close for ten years of our adult life, after a difficult childhood where she was the jealous spoiled baby ( her words), I was trouble destroyed middle child. She meets a man that she's going to immediately marry and have a child. I can tell he's a womanizing man who has her paying his child support for two other children, by two women. I let them know I disapprove and naively think my sister will listen, but instead she rewrites history and makes herself victim of me. I so identify with William in all of this. I think it took Harry of No Conscience, and Meghan of Manipulation to do what they have done. Oh, and my sister went back to meth, which helped to implant ideas. Drugs are the vehicle I suspect Meghan has utilized. She's on to bigger fish, which will leave Harry high and dry. My sister never recovered and she never felt remorse.
Really interesting perspective, and makes a great deal of sense. What is clear is that William chose someone who balances him and brings out his strong qualities, while Harry definitely didn't.
I enjoyed this video! There is so many trash videos on Meghan and Harry. I think Harry has been spoilt beyond belief. He is cruel and has no self awareness. Meghan is just with him to get as much money and fame as she can. In my opinion ,he was grateful to find someone to take him on. I remember Harry saying there is so much to do in the world to help the more unfortunate. I ask you ,what have they done for anyone since leaving the royal family. Just enrich themselves by causing untold pain to the family, Harry professes to love.
I’ve often wondered what Harry did or did not tell his future wife about what life in the RF might be really like. I suspect he so desperately wanted to marry and have children (his own admission) that he painted a rosy picture and she in turn had already sold him a false image of herself. Maybe neither, for their own reasons, wanted to see the reality of the situation pre marriage and when concerned family/friends tried to counsel them, they isolated themselves rather than listen. Harry is a lot like his mother - temperamental and volatile and his wife is the same so I think they have brought out the worst in each other.
The Brits are lucky. Harry came from the same bloodline as his brother (or so we're told). Just imagine if he was the Prince of Wales. That was a close call.
And I often wondered if Meghan didn't think to ask the experts. If that had been me, I'd request to get long talks (if not in person, the phone calls, PLEASE!!) with Catherine and/or Sophie. What's it like? What do you do? What might be expected of _me?_ How do you handle...? I'd ask what the Queen expected of me. - Yes I know, all of them frightfully busy; but this is important... I don't know. I just don't get it how anyone could set out to marry into a royal family, and think you could just wing it. 🤦
@@thekingsdaughter4233 she was provided with a large dossier of protocols to guide her and rejected all offers of support the Queen made. She never wanted to fit in.
@@thekingsdaughter4233 from everything I've read, she WAS given help (including by Sophie and Camilla). HMTQ put 14 people at Meghan's disposal to help her, and she blew them all off.
According to Meghan herself, she was told by friends not to marry Harry because of the press etc. At the same time, Harry is complaining about RF and his family. Instead of stepping back, she plows forward and has a big wedding in the spotlight etc. they are both to blame.
Harry stated in the Oprah interview that there was only one conversation about their children's potential skin colour that took place while they were dating. Meghan immediately jumped in after Harry, and embellished that story by saying there were MULTIPLE conversations while she was pregnant with Archie. Harry piped right down and let her do that. She is running that show and he willingly goes along with it without question.
Really interesting point that H weaponised M. Of course she didn’t have to accept his take on things, she could have offered alternative viewpoints instead of adding fuel to the fire. He also retold her the tale of the dog bowl incident (went crying to mummy to tell tales!).
Hi 👋 I love your channel! I think you’re right, Harry was a loose canon when they met. I’m in Sydney and remember the 2013 visit here by Harry, well before M was on the scene. Harry had a whole day of duties in Sydney which were televised live, because Aussies were fond of him. He had a military salute etc on the harbour, got changed and then did a walkabout, then went to the official PMs home, Kirribilli House for a semi formal reception which was also shown live. Our PM Tony Abbott, stood on a small stage with a mike, to make a short official welcome speech to Harry. Well……Harry was nowhere to be seen! The PM was talking to himself and looking confused! Then I spotted Harry through the glass doors behind the stage, enjoying a beer, giving an occasional glance into the room. He completely ignored the short moment on the stage. I giggled a bit but realised it was rude. So he got away with that, I can’t think of another royal who would have done that. We loved him, the press did not mention it, but I happened to notice, so he was never really set up for a royal role and he will never be. Avid Gardner sent me here! 🌹
Eureka! I have said this all along. A few years ago, I watched a video clip of Diana with H & W, and they were watching a polo match. Harry sat next to Diana and William sat on the other side of Harry (which btw, is how you see this dynamic when it’s the 3 of them which is another topic). Harry kept nudging and subtly jabbing her. She was visibly irritated and would push his hand away, sometimes throwing it back with force, repeatedly telling him to stop. But he wouldn’t. Rather, he would laugh, and looked amused by her increased anger. All the while, William, sat there without joining in as if he wanted to do something… but stayed out of it. That, along with similar videos, showed how he gets pleasure from irritating people, enjoys annoying them, retaliates and stories of how he punishes at will, makes me wonder if he has some kind of chemical imbalance or something… it is odd to watch. Seriously, he doesn’t seem right in the head 🥺. So I agree with you. Harry has been like this for a very long time. He is influenced by M, but she equally is influenced by him thus, they perpetuate each other. Thank you for your analysis, well done!
Meghan removed Harry from his 'comfort zone' and exposed him to life beyond the palace walls. Then turned him again the members of the family he got along with such as Catherine and Zara.
Loved your perspective. The only thing I blame Meghan for is coming into a new family and not giving it much chance. She then goes on national television to talk about her in-laws and their corporation in the most dimmed light. Did she herself not like anyone she met ? Did she not want to learn everything she could from one of the most riveting people in the world ? The Queen. I think Harry has always been Harry. I think Meghan is a very immature woman whose head was spun by many outside forces, not just Harry. Fantastic piece. Thanks.
Harry at 3 years of age picked up two handfuls of rocks, and threw them at photographers. The rest is just noise and excuses. He's always been 'troubled'. I like your fair analysis of the dynamics between Harry and Meghan. I think they came together, both troubled individuals, and created 'the perfect storm'.
It was obvious that Harry didn’t have a lot of resentment for his brother and Catherine until he met Meghan. Meghan has dumped and ghosted so many people in her life that it is an obvious pattern for her. Harry was very loyal to his friends and family until her. So there is no question who led who in this case.
Totally agree. I think Harry was far from having an unblemished character and could clearly be destructive. And no doubt had resentments. But I don't think trashing his family, and constant courting of the media would have occurred had he married anyone else. Angela Levin met with him for over a year when writing his biography, and has stated many times that he's completely changed. Plus, Meghan had advice from a lot of Palace staff and members of the RF, as much as she said otherwise on Oprah. I don't believe she wasn't well informed.
Very true indeed! Meghan wants Harry to hate his Royal family, like what she did to her family. Kate, Prince William abd Harry has a good relationahip until Meghan came. What i can't uderstand is, why Harry is letting his bad wife to manipulate him? Is Harry a weak and "brainless" man? I don't know what Meghan did to Harry. Meghan was a very good manipulator. Sad for Harry.
I am a relatively modest woman. It was brought to my attention to look up what roasted chicken means in the urban dictionary. Not for the faint of heart!
I think she did change him as in he seems to have become less impulsive but I think she created a malicious calculating monster aided by his paranoia from prolonged drug use.
And took advantage of him not being clever so she leaked every country they was going to live until she got her mansion no leaks sorry don’t trust either of them
I think they wind each other up and bring out the worst in each other. Both of them are mean and addicted to drama. Horrible couple that no one can ever trust.
I think he’s always been a problem he was just trained to hide it. She would never have gone with him if he hadn’t had a title of money behind him. After all, she said she wanted a famous guy… normally that comes with money or status so she could make money
I listened to you and tried to be objective. I honestly think they have fed off each other. These two toxic people are two halves of one unpleasant whole. Quite frankly, they deserve each other.
Thank you for sharing your insights. It's a treat to hear from someone with such a broad overview. Harry seems distrubed for sure but I think someone a bit more calculating is steering him, leading him down a destructive path for their own ends. It appears to be a Folie à deux. They seem to feed each others fears and insecurities and they are constantly oscillating between obsessive control and paranoia. The sad thing is Harry seems emotionally unstable due to his self-confessed dr*g use (my opinion based on what he said, what I see of his actions and his appearance). I don't see this ending well. Princess Diana also courted the media this way and her life spiralled out of control with devastating consequences. So sad to watch the pain they cause their families and us the public who have to endure this modern Shakespearian tragedy unfolding before our eyes!
this is not a new can of worms for me, this is what i’ve thought all along, it’s both of them, the other young women he dated didn’t share his views, but meghan wanted out before she got in, i believe it was her that said if you’re unhappy, i’m unhappy, we could just leave. He’s even said, meghan showed me i was trapped. He needed a partner in this emotional betrayal of family and country, she serves this purpose….he may be unhappy, but she did get him out….at some point he’ll tire of this continual anger at the world, but it’s going to be years, for now he is caught in playing out the role he’s created. yet i love my brother, i love my father, he wants some of the RF part, the perks, not having them recoil from him. His immaturity keeps him from understanding how this all has affected them, like the 12 year old i believe he is. Zero mature self reflection, or understanding how he’d feel if William and Catherine did this to him. Poor William and Catherine are required to be the mature adults, Harry can’t see how unfair this is to them. Love your videos 🇺🇸
He's been so spoilt, he's lossed touch with reality, he's delusional! no understanding of responsibility. Driven and encouraged by an evil woman who has her own agenda, fame!!! and fame!!!
I actually agree with you, this has always been my view. By taking Harry away from the RF PR machine, M allowed us to see the real Harry. I think they are both toxic and bring out the worst in each other
We only have her word for it that Harry was the only one who told her about himself and his family. I absolutely am sure she knew all she needed to know about him.
And remember; she was friends with Eugenie before she met Hazbeen. She did her homework well and truly! Got herself ‘in’ with the “right” people like a spider weaving it’s web.
Completely agree. I doubt she cared much about what he said about his family or himself. I think she spotted that he wasn't bright, had little real life experience, and was swallowing her nonsense. That's all she needed to know about Harry, imho. She must of thought she won the lottery after a date with him.
I definitely have my own opinion on this. I would love to hear yours. Another very informative read is Angela Levins book on Camilla. Disturbing story in that book about him as a teen. ❤
Yes! I was told when he was a teenager he was impossible and caused his Father many sleepless nights. This was all hidden by the media he hates. I reiterate ,he is mean and cruel, Meghan is welcome to him. I bet all his ex girl friends would agree with me.
Thank you your very well thought out comments. No vitriol, no bias, no wild assumptions and assertions. You are helping to make sense of all the chaos 😍
So what was the reason she ditched her family? Never invited anyone other than her mother from her family. I think the pair are mirror images of each other they bring out the worse in each other So Tom Bower's book about her behaviour has never been sued. So even before she met Harry she thought she was above everyone
I think you are right about the lack of consequences. H. does act as if he can say and do whatever he wants at any time and expect everyone to be ok with it and still treat him kindly. I believe H. has been carrying around a lot of jealousy and envy, but I also think that a lot of the grievances and resentment has been nourished since he met M.. I suspect he would tell her things with a laugh and say "And then this person said this...", and then M. would react with shock and horror and convince him that this is something he should be offended by. After a while he would start thinking that he has been letting people get away with being disrespectful to him and reviewing his life through that lens.
I read in, "The Mists of Avalon" (not necessarily a read I'm proud of... 😉🤷) a quote that ran something like, _Not even Circe the Sorceress could have turned men into pigs if they had not at least already been piglets before!_ 😉😆
I was watching a 3 part documentary which was being narrated by Diana’s former butler and he saw Harry as a very kind companionate child and young adult when he knew him. He said William was more stoic like his dad. He recounted one story that Diana’s engagement ring actually went to Harry after her death but he passed it on to William to give to Kate because he wanted it to be worn by a Queen one day. I wondered why this didn’t make it into his book because it paints him in a kinder light than most of his stories. 🤷🏼♀️ I think Meghan only changed him in that she knows what buttons to push in order to get what she wants.
The problem with saying that Harry was instigating the problems with the Royal family and Meghan was taking her cue from him, is that it it igores Meghan's fractured relationships within her own family. Harry got on well with his family until he met Meghan. Meghan had a history of family breakdown which pre-dated her marriage. She was bad news IMO.
Your speculation may be correct, however, if one examines Harry’s body language during that portion of the Oprah interview, he appeared to be utterly ashamed of what was being said. If he was behind the anti-family rhetoric, and Meghan was his pawn; he would have had confidence and glee that his plan was working. To me, he looked like a dear in headlights. Not totally aware of the significance of what was being said or the reason why they were talking about it. There was a moment when Harry tried to minimize the comment about skin color, and Meghan, very forcefully, turned to him and said something like: “no, we are going to tell this”, and he looked down and wanted to crawl under the table to hide. In that moment, I saw a man that was manipulated and very uncomfortable. Even a bit scared. Meghan’s body language was that of a cool mastermind thief, stealing the priceless diamond while everyone watched. I don’t get the impression Harry is a calculating character. He’s not that smart. His motivation in life is to be loved; not to destroy. His drinking and drug taking is to numb his feelings. Meghan’s motivation is to destroy and conquer. She has no feelings.
Yes, and that nonsense that there was no help (after she was given the dream team of staff and LadysInWaiting to help her navigate becoming royal) - she made that snide comment that a manual might exist for other royal brides (meaning Catherine). Thought Harry looked very uncomfortable and he started to interject, she put her arm down - he thought better of it.
I agree with you both. Harry was definitely uncomfortable at that time when talking about his family. He knew back then that the first rule of the Royal Family is, don't talk about the Royal Family! Unfortunately, his empathic traits have eroded a lot more since then. He has put his wife on an impossibly high pedestal based on his weird feelings about his mother.
@@lalaholland5929 People researching Meghan’s past remarks have revealed that she hated Catherine long before she met Harry. In fact, as we know, early on she used Harry to try to steal William. This is a pattern for her - compulsively social climbing and gold digging. “Empowering women”? Nothing could be further from the truth. Harry’s a flawed character, yet whatever he does, I feel a lot of sympathy for him over this. She’s gained a great deal; he’s lost nearly everything. Even his children may be used as weapons against him.
I agree, his body language and the way he spoke in that interview was very different to the way that Harry spoke in the Tom Bradby interview for spare and the smirk on his face when he said that he never said that his family was racist.
I would disagree. His interview with Anderson and the English ITV guy and the live stream therapy session were brutal to his father and brother, and Catherine, as well. His book, with his name on it, regardless of the real author, is his memoir, with his petty stories about room size and sausages. He has responsibility for every cruel word uttered and printed. He also is responsible for ignoring his grandmother’s request, on her actual deathbed, that he visit her. His wife didn’t hold a gun to his head for any of that, did she?
I think that it's folie a deux. She has brought out the worst in him. They are both odious. Arthur Clark, the photographer for The Sun, said that no caring man would tell his wife things that hurt her.
I agree, in part, with what you're saying but.......I think MM got the measure of the hapless Prince within 5 minutes of meeting him! She, over time, would have heard all the gripes and supposed wrongdoing of members of the family, the press and the palace officials. I'm pretty sure she saw the actual truth, but it gave her a way of manipulating him into doing what she wanted all along, which was to live in the US as grade A celebrities. By playing up to his fears about his mother and feeding him stories and planting stories in the press, she made him so paranoid that he felt he had no option but to leave the UK. Much as he might have wished for a life outside the RF, I think even he knew he wasn't equipped (or bright enough) to do anything else, but she painted a picture so believable, that he fell for it. I think she brought into it as well, she truly thought they'd be superstars. That might have been true at one point, but then they made the fatal mistake of opening their mouths and spouting lie after lie to make themselves more 'interesting' and victimised - after all you're going to need a pretty good reason for ditching one of the most priviliged, famous, loved families in the world! I don't think she 'changed' him, he was always like this, but I do think she manipulated a man/child, with chronic paranoia, jealousy and mummy issues and used him for her own ends. I think she would have much preferred a half in half out scenario but by that time she couldn't controlled the monster she'd prodded awake. A tiny part of me sometimes feels sorry for her, because I do believe she has feelings for him, but she's now living with the consequences of her actions, & let's face it ladies who of us would want to be saddled with a character like PH? Much like Wallis Simpson discovered, you reap what you sow.
I love your perspective. Highly branded Harry meets highly branded meghan - yes. He really comes off as a resentful, jealous guy in his book and that does seem to drive his perspective on everything.
Dear Vintage Read, I was just watching some of Suits and her character, Rachel, is known to be a woman of colour - biracial. Since you are reading many of the books, I wondered how and when Meghan's identity in the UK became equated to a woman of colour? My recollection was that it was b4 marriage and gladly welcomed. But, I don't remember the particulars.
I think Meme had an agenda from the start to catch a prince, however, I also believe that Harry has always been a mean little snark and Meme has just poked the flames higher and let him lose with it. I believe he didn’t show it as much prior to meeting Meme, as the Queen squashed it. Nasty both of them.
This is a really fair and excellent analysis of them as a couple and individually. “Black hole of superficiality.” Brilliant! I look forward to your videos! Harry clearly isn’t super well balanced and is a little damaged from his early childhood trauma but I really do think Meghan brings out the worst in him. Her previous blog the Tig proves she did know about the RF and her comments on that site indicated she would be a “royal rebel” if given the chance. She’s alienated most of her family and now Harry has alienated himself from his family as well and to me that’s what’s the saddest about this situation. You’re right about them as a pair. They are very hypocritical, they themselves never have any regret or self correction but expect everyone else to. Well done as always
I think you are right in everything you said today. Very good insight! I am from the U.S.A. and I feel that this has gone far beyond what it ever should have. This is no longer a family issue King Charles needs to put your country first without question! He has allowed this whole Harry and Meghan situation to get so out of hand. He should have sent them an invitation to the Coronation and told them to come or don't come, if they come they will have to follow the rules they are given, period end of story ! take it or leave it!. I really enjoy your show!
I think Harry related these questions about the age of his son, finding them amusing, and Meghan came up with "they are racist", and convinced him so. So it's Meghan who started this, not Harry.
This has to be the best video I've seen in this channel, ADORED IT! I wish Pierce Morgan invited you to his show. Actually, scratch that, this channel is better than his show already. Congratulations! 🥂
Look at Megan in tv interviews before Harry and she is just the same, My mother was a narcissist they control you, take you away from friend's and family so your dependent on them, they distort your way of thinking, in Harry's case his family is against her, racist, look how they treat me 😢 and they can't answer back so Harry believes every word, Harry himself will be belittled by her and compared to past boyfriends ( Trevor's bracelet she wears ) and her past life - so he will be forever wanting to make her happy. But a narcissist is never happy, they want bigger, better, more expensive, more power, more money and if Harry can't provide it she will move on to someone else who can, and she has done that all her life.
Hell YES we came blame her for being the way she is! She's a grown woman, she's got a mind of her own. Are you suggesting Prince Dimwit clouded her world view? Phhh, please!
I was wondering about that- I mean, isn't Meghan (at least) a vegetarian, Grand Mistress of The _Avocado Toast?_ 😉😆 And wasn't there talk about Archie being raised a vegan? 🤔🤨🤔 Then someone brought up the fact that "roasting a chicken" has other meanings, too; according to the Urban Dictionary. 😳 And that they were not telling us about their dinner plans; but rather about what they like to do in bed. 😳😵😖😝
Brilliant. Thank-you for all the painstaking work to arrive at this analysis. I agree but would never have been able to find the examples, or have the ability to articulate, my reasoning so well. 👏👏
You presented a possibility. He didn’t need much coaxing because he’s already a miserable person. Always coddled by the family. Both are at fault! They feed off of each others problems. Like attracts like! Thank you. Blessings to you. 🥰🌎❤️🎶🌝
I have not considered this angle concerning H&M. I can see how Harry’s projection of his family could ignite the flame of Meghan’s schemes with more ease & confidence. I still think she planned to take Harry and leave the monarchy behind for Hollywood.
Talking abut the race allegations..... I don't know if Harry is to blame what information was passed on to her about things that were discussed, BUT... The fact, that Meghan discussed this without Harry being a part of the discussion with Oprah and her, tells me that there were differences on how they both thought about this. The other thing is, that Lady C did actually told what the whole discussion was about... It wasn't a discussion per say, it was more a gentle joke on how the mix of a red-head and a person with afro could look like. This was mentioned by Camilla without a bad intention.... she painted a picture of a child with ginger afro. They both are so very toxic!
It's like watching and waiting for a car crash... narcissists' relationships always end with the discard. Either she discards him when she's used up all his resources, financially, physically, emotionally, business-related, image, status etc. Or he discards her because he is so depressed he has to escape it die. I hope he's able to pick up the pieces of his life when it comes to this and he'll be thankful for loving family and friends at that point. Since he is brainwashed, he may only see the light on his trips to the UK when she is not there to influence him and he can get clarity. Let's hope she releases the imaginary kids to the custody of their grandfather, because you can't keep kids when you're living on the street.
I agree one hundred percent the only thing MM likes about Harry is his title/status and his access to famous people and perks. She would have had zero interest in him without the title; quite ironic because he falsely believes she is the only one that loves him for himself. I am sure she secretly loathes him; then again, I don't think she is capable of caring about anyone but herself.
😂Roast chickens?😂 Now, let's not forget all those CHICKENS, roaming the yard, during the Oprah interview ‼️😂😂😂 Maybe Meghan has a diabolical eye, toward them, too!😂
Hi! Yeah I think you are right, Harry's deep feelings are coming out to the Fore!!! He defininetely Has the compacity to do alot of damage on his Own!!! I have lost respect for him because the REAL HARRY has Arrived!!!!!
Now we know way more about Harry than we ever needed to know, it is almost impossible to see him now as being a sitting duck right for the narcissists picking. However, I still do. She tapped into an unintelligent, vain, spoilt man, treated his friends and family unfairly and poorly, and then took him away from them to isolate him in their fake castle in America where he now completely sympathizes with the person who did this to him as being the victim, and believes that his abuser is his saviour. It really, seriously is so mucked up - how can anyone make any sense of it. Thoroughly enjoy the perspectives you present and the cross-referencing between different sources. Look forward to your videos. Thanks.
They just showed us whatever is underneath behind the scenes of their unconscious minds. His cover is blown. And his choice of the woman to partner with makes it easier to expose his shenanigans. She’s not far off from him either. A blackhole of superficiality, endless pit. 😢
Wives have always tried to change their man…she facilitated his move away from family..she pointed out there was grass on the other side of the fence and guess what it was greener.
I recently discovered your videos and I am watching you from Paris, France. I love your videos :-) they are very pleasant et interesting. After listening a lot of videos about them and I don't remember who sais that but, someone said : they both revealed the bad side of each other. And you are right when you say that she discovered the RF through Harry's eye. And I am agree that she wouldn't have looked at him if he wasn't a Prince. That is to say, he totally ruined his PR campaign dating with her. They are both responsible for this situation.
Excellent analysis, however I do believe that it wasn't only through Harry's filter that his wife came to form her opinions of his family. When you look carefully at how she operates, she was always going to be jealous of anyone who was prettier, had nicer clothes or more power etc. Unfortunately narcissistic people are very much like this.
Why did you ignore that Megan had studied the RF for years. She had her own impressions and motives. She can easily influence H to see his situation differently to get him to do anything, with the threat of leaving him.
You are correct. This is the same woman that told her dad to either disown his older children or ne disowned by Meghan. He refused and she had promptly disowned him. Meghan is ruthless and unfeeling. Harry would not have left his family acrimoniously without Meghan's manipulation. What about all the disobedience of protocol. She made her inlaws' lives hell. Drama every day is draining.
Absolutely. I don't think Markle viewed anything through Harry's guidance - ever. Manipulative relationships are about the abusive partner can gain. It's plain to see the difference between Oprah Harry and Spare Harry. Markle was doing the trashing initially and it backfired on her. Now Harry's out there trashing his family and she's keeping her hands clean.
I agree with you and believe that Harry's jaundiced view of his family gave Meghan the wrong perspective of situations, but Meghan, having seemingly had all her own way while growing up- was the worst match for Harry. They might have fired on all sexual cylinders in total unison- personality wise they were/ are are very unsuitable - in fact they are far to alike to ever 'blend' successfully without serious friction. Sadly this is not a union made I heaven!
I agree. He does have rights, as do the other RF members. But they tend not to sue because they don't like to use the power of their position in that way. It can backfire in terms public opinion, which the Monarchy needs for survival. If they all started whining and fighting in the courts, I don't think it would tolerated for too long.
She didn't change him - she removed him from the protection of the Palace PR machine who had worked incredibly hard to protect the public from seeing the real Harry - a nasty piece of work. These two are as bad as each other.
This is an interesting and plausible perspective. Harry is a tittle tattler and a highly jealous and envious person. Meghan fuels his jealousies and magnifies them. Remember the text message harry said William sent in that lying Netflix series and how Meghan reacted encouraging harry to become angry
Oui , et aujourd'hui ça leur explose à la face.
@@nadiakerris1863 Elle est le Raspoutine des temps modernes. (Excuses mon Francaise)
🎯!!
I think they are a match made in heaven! Or hell! Lol!
I don’t think she fundamentally changed him but she has allowed and encouraged him to become his worst self, she is a narcissist and has manipulated him with memories of his mother and whilst it is easy to manipulate his thinking it doesn’t really change your personality so he has always had this side to him, the RF just did a better job of covering it up.
Yes there is evidence of that.
I agree 100%
I totally agree .
His drug use doesn't help
My thoughts exactly!!
I believe Meghan picked up on Harry’s insecurities and amplified them for use. Harry’s very troubled, he’s an easy mark. I think if meg was a good influence for Harry, she would have been able to sort what he was overly sensitive about & give him more mature options for why certain issues that he would deem offensive or against him are really not as bad as he thinks they are.
Who Harry needs is someone he trusts who can inform him on what his reality really is. Ppl like Harry are ripe for picking by ppl like meg bc they are arrogant & childish. Very easily riled up, ego pumped & easily led.
I say this bc I know someone like meg, who come into a family and was able to gage the weaknesses & sway the dynamics of the fam in order to play for dominance in their partners life.
Part of that comes with separation of family, creating drama where there isn’t and making more drama over something innocent In order to take control of both of their lives.
A person like this can’t do that with someone who is very self aware, Harry was the perfect mark.
This is happening to Harry bc his family have always felt sorry for him, instead of making him learn some tough lessons. I have a feeling that bc harry isn’t very intelligent, he was kept away from a lot of the “adult” decisions which made him feel like he was being worked against. But for those “adults” in the room, dealing with Harry prob was a difficult issue. Much easier to just go over his head than deal with his antics.
I would also note, it’s very likely she did a lot of homework into Harry in order to create her big love story. He was sold on her very easily.
There is NO doubt, she will leave him high and dry, and I’m sorry but Harry needs this lesson, the same way Diana did when she fell for the reporters lies.
Harry’s having his own moment.
Very thoughtful comment, thank you.
I think you are absolutely right. Spot on.
I'm not so sure he'll learn the lesson when she leaves him. If his past is any indication, he'll end up blaming the press, and perhaps even his family, for "chasing her off".
@@capt.obvious2460 life ends up giving us the same issues until we learn our lesson. It may take a few Meghan’s for him to grow up
Good analysis.💯
I actually think Meghan has always been this way. There is a video where she was at an event for Suits and she was being interviewed and she looked at the girl interviewing her up and down and had this mean/amused look after doing so as if the woman’s outfit was laughable but she had this cruel subtle smile on her face. She’s a mean girl, 100%
Great story!
She sounds insecure.
@@hollybrooke322 That´s what I suspect. I know it sounds strange, but I do think Meghan is very insecure. The wedding in the field, was it the one where Meghan was dressed HORRIBLY in a white and blue dress, her hair a MESS? She just looked awful, and she must have known it. I think she was very insecure at that wedding (if that was the one.). Insecurity often comes off as arrogance.
Now, it sounds like I am defending Meghan. I really am not, I cannot stand her. If she is insecure, she shouldn´t keep putting herself in the spotlight, should she?
@@asbisi I agree that deep down she's very insecure and feels very inadequate which is why she overcompensates and always tries to be someone she's not. Lived with this behavior all my life - this is exactly how my sister has been from a very young age !!
Yes!!!
I am inclined to believe marriage emboldened Harry the way he is today. He certainly has a lot of pent up rage and adolescent resentment and by virtue of having someone by his side allowed him to reveal his true character, which is the antithesis of a carefully groomed prince. Harry’s interviews, documentary and memoir are peppered with so many cringeworthy character flaws that that is the real person he is with or without Meghan.
With Meghan, they feed off each other’s irrational delusions in a very destructive way.
Great points!
I must say, the palace did a tremendous job in hiding what an unpleasant person he is.
Yes!
The Palace was complicit in the upbringing of this very unpleasant person. A perfect storm arose when he married an equally unpleasant person. So long as Charles continues to dither these two will spell the end of the Royal Family.
If that were the case we wouldn't know about the trouble he's been in over the years. I think the most the Palace can do is deal with the fall out in the press. It's the same situation with Andrew, if the Palace could hide things, then we certainly wouldn't know about that. Or the cash for honours with KC3. These Royals receive advice, some choose to ignore it and get caught out.
She was offered help by others by the Queen but knocked it all back.
Yes true!
That's because she had no intention to learn new things ...
Narcissists don’t apologize or ever feel regret for their own behavior.
She didn't change him. She isolated him. She brought out what was already there
Great point!
100% agree. There are a video of Harry abusing a polo horse to the point it had to be laid to rest. Well documented in the press at the time. For me, that’s the line. Animal abuse says it all about a person’s character.
So now is addition to being a Drunk, Drug Addicted and Delusional Dim-Wit, he is also Destructive. He ought to be locked up in an Island somewhere (with his wife) and fed vegetarian chicken for the rest of his life.
I hadn't heard about that. And Meghan abandoned her dog.
Amen!
The other poor dog with two casts.
You mean they have to put down the horse because he attacked it so badly?
I never thought that MM was 100% to blame. It was a case of two kindred spirits meeting and enabling each other to do their worst.
There are stories with Diana that she did not set up boundaries or give Harry "punishment" when he did bad things.
His racist slurs (attention getting/meant to embarass others?) Started in his little boy years. He'd be on double decker with Diana and start to mouth off to the ticket taker who was South Asian.
Also riding his tricycle into an officer's shins - nothing.
There's pictures of him kicking Wm in shins when he got hugs from Harry's Mum.
Nasty little thing.
So that would be her excuse for why she alienated the RF? What excuse would be made for why she doesn’t speak to her own family, especially to her father who afforded her a great education and was still paying for it even after she started earning thousands from Suits?
I recommend you listen to HG Tudor on YT because he explains a lot (& often) about how Narcissists operate. It helps so much to understand this crazy situation.
Mainly, Narcissists HATE being given advice, being told no, being 2nd fiddle to ANYONE, even The Queen! They go scorched earth in revenge for imagined slights.
They MUST have the last word!
You can imagine how hard that is when the "person" you're having your ongoing imaginary fight with, is the Royal Family, and in the news often. The narc needs to clap back. Even if the other person is just trying to mind their own business, go about their daily life.
The narc always thinks everything is about them and they need to retaliate.
Anther important narc trait is they can't help taking about themselves, everything they say is actually about themselves and they self-snitch or make a "confession by projection" constantly.
Same with her own family. When her Dad was in the news often, she would have to clap back. Now that he mostly stays out of the news, she doesn't need to mention him.
It’s as though Harry had deep underlying hostility towards his family, and all along I feel Megan has bought it all to the surface.
IMHO, Harry like Andrew before him was jealous he was born after his brother. While he got the benefit of all the privileges, he never learned the enormity of the role of the Prince of Wales. Like everyone said: All the privileges and none of the responsibility. I suspect that ought to give one a skewed perspective.
As it is I prefer the way the practice of the old Ottomans: When a new Sultan is Crowned, they strangle the Spares.
@@kaimalino528 hhmmmm, I'm glad that we don't do that anymore... but it sure made sense to do that!
@@kaimalino528 Nah Edward has turned out alright, otherwise I can see the logic with the way that Andrew and Harry have turned out (their intelligence level and inability to see future consequences might come into it too)
I think that they are two of a kind and both are mean, jealous and spiteful. They suit each other perfectly. So sad that they didn't just go away and live a happy life.
They would not be happy if they were happy!
I've been saying this very thing from the beginning. He's gaslighting her, she's gaslighting him & they're both gaslighting the everyone around them. They're both projecting their own insecurities on to everyone else.
Is there really a debate? You can't grow a pernicious weed that fast unless the root is already well established (just because it's underground. & you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there). Now the pair are like Japanese Knotweed.& no one can dig them out.
Loved this original critique. Spot on!
I love the weed analogy! Exactly as it is!👍🏽👏🏽
I think it was Tom Bower who said that the only reason people believed Harry was a good guy and blamed Meghan for everything was because he has always been a better actor than she is.
In their engagement interview, Harry said he and Meghan were going to teach people the right way to think.
I found this the most disturbing thing about the interview and don't understand why noone has mentioned it in light of the events of the last years
Thank you for being fair and balanced! You had some excellent insights about Harry. It is true that both Harry and Meghan were raised without consequences and were basically spoiled.
in fact they even accepted an award for fighting racism in the Royal Family and then denied that they had said it and blamed the media!
Maybe she didn't change him, but I think their toxic relationship helped the worse of him to turn
out.
Yes good point
I read a brief interview of Chelsea Davies where she was quoted, literally in quote marks that she broke up with Harry because he spent so much time complaining about his family, non-stop, and she realized that listening to him was not helping in any way. So she told him to get help, and she left him. I have heard many speculations and I think he claimed he broke it with her, but that is what someone like him would say.
He's always been difficult but he's ensnared by a narcissist who's reduced his emotional empathy so much his narcissistic qualities come to the fore...we're witnessing his sustained devaluation. Sad isn't it that we can recognise narcissistic abuse but do nothing about it...
I think we are doing something..,in a way!
@The Vintage Read Show we're definitely trying as they're an education of it in action....but normal folk don't usually get half the world shouting it and authors writing books with receipts of literally her character. Really enjoy this channel thankyou, you have a lovely voice 😊
@@thevintageread the missing piece of these conversations is the pathway to guide someone who has found themselves ensnared with a narcissist. Observers can easily identify the problem, but Harry is ensnarled in a twisted pile of rope and can’t get free. Those that are the hardest to love are those that need love the most.
It is sad to see & not be able to help. Adults have to want things to act on those desires to change. Even with best intentions, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.
Until recent years I never really knew or understood what a narcissist was. I think that type of behaviour in general is quite foreign to most people. So when you come across someone with those characteristics it’s almost unbelievable.
Chocodigi, spot on! I also listen to HG Tudor on YT and it helps so much to understand the narcissist relationship dynamic and how destructive it is.
Also Harry has indulged in revision of history, especially about the "men in grey suits", the "firm". In his book, when talking about the Sandringham Summit, he includes good encounters with the Courtiers, including Mr R and Lady Susan who asked if he was OK. I don't think they originally were the big bad that he thinks, now that his memory has been skewed.
I went through a situation with my sister that seemed so similar. We had been very close for ten years of our adult life, after a difficult childhood where she was the jealous spoiled baby ( her words), I was trouble destroyed middle child. She meets a man that she's going to immediately marry and have a child. I can tell he's a womanizing man who has her paying his child support for two other children, by two women. I let them know I disapprove and naively think my sister will listen, but instead she rewrites history and makes herself victim of me. I so identify with William in all of this. I think it took Harry of No Conscience, and Meghan of Manipulation to do what they have done. Oh, and my sister went back to meth, which helped to implant ideas. Drugs are the vehicle I suspect Meghan has utilized. She's on to bigger fish, which will leave Harry high and dry. My sister never recovered and she never felt remorse.
Really interesting perspective, and makes a great deal of sense. What is clear is that William chose someone who balances him and brings out his strong qualities, while Harry definitely didn't.
I enjoyed this video! There is so many trash videos on Meghan and Harry.
I think Harry has been spoilt beyond belief. He is cruel and has no self awareness.
Meghan is just with him to get as much money and fame as she can.
In my opinion ,he was grateful to find someone to take him on.
I remember Harry saying there is so much to do in the world to help the more unfortunate.
I ask you ,what have they done for anyone since leaving the royal family.
Just enrich themselves by causing untold pain to the family, Harry professes to love.
I do think they bring out the worst in each other. Neither grew up with negative consequences for bad behaviors.
I’ve often wondered what Harry did or did not tell his future wife about what life in the RF might be really like. I suspect he so desperately wanted to marry and have children (his own admission) that he painted a rosy picture and she in turn had already sold him a false image of herself. Maybe neither, for their own reasons, wanted to see the reality of the situation pre marriage and when concerned family/friends tried to counsel them, they isolated themselves rather than listen. Harry is a lot like his mother - temperamental and volatile and his wife is the same so I think they have brought out the worst in each other.
The Brits are lucky. Harry came from the same bloodline as his brother (or so we're told). Just imagine if he was the Prince of Wales. That was a close call.
And I often wondered if Meghan didn't think to ask the experts. If that had been me, I'd request to get long talks (if not in person, the phone calls, PLEASE!!) with Catherine and/or Sophie. What's it like? What do you do? What might be expected of _me?_ How do you handle...? I'd ask what the Queen expected of me. - Yes I know, all of them frightfully busy; but this is important...
I don't know. I just don't get it how anyone could set out to marry into a royal family, and think you could just wing it. 🤦
@@thekingsdaughter4233 she was provided with a large dossier of protocols to guide her and rejected all offers of support the Queen made. She never wanted to fit in.
@@thekingsdaughter4233 from everything I've read, she WAS given help (including by Sophie and Camilla). HMTQ put 14 people at Meghan's disposal to help her, and she blew them all off.
According to Meghan herself, she was told by friends not to marry Harry because of the press etc. At the same time, Harry is complaining about RF and his family. Instead of stepping back, she plows forward and has a big wedding in the spotlight etc. they are both to blame.
Harry stated in the Oprah interview that there was only one conversation about their children's potential skin colour that took place while they were dating. Meghan immediately jumped in after Harry, and embellished that story by saying there were MULTIPLE conversations while she was pregnant with Archie.
Harry piped right down and let her do that. She is running that show and he willingly goes along with it without question.
Really interesting point that H weaponised M. Of course she didn’t have to accept his take on things, she could have offered alternative viewpoints instead of adding fuel to the fire. He also retold her the tale of the dog bowl incident (went crying to mummy to tell tales!).
Yes fuel to the fire is a good point!
Hi 👋 I love your channel!
I think you’re right, Harry was a loose canon when they met.
I’m in Sydney and remember the 2013 visit here by Harry, well before M was on the scene.
Harry had a whole day of duties in Sydney which were televised live, because Aussies were fond of him.
He had a military salute etc on the harbour, got changed and then did a walkabout, then went to the official PMs home, Kirribilli House for a semi formal reception which was also shown live.
Our PM Tony Abbott, stood on a small stage with a mike, to make a short official welcome speech to Harry.
Well……Harry was nowhere to be seen! The PM was talking to himself and looking confused! Then I spotted Harry through the glass doors behind the stage, enjoying a beer, giving an occasional glance into the room.
He completely ignored the short moment on the stage.
I giggled a bit but realised it was rude.
So he got away with that, I can’t think of another royal who would have done that.
We loved him, the press did not mention it, but I happened to notice, so he was never really set up for a royal role and he will never be.
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Hi and welcome! Fantastic story 🤣
Eureka! I have said this all along. A few years ago, I watched a video clip of Diana with H & W, and they were watching a polo match. Harry sat next to Diana and William sat on the other side of Harry (which btw, is how you see this dynamic when it’s the 3 of them which is another topic). Harry kept nudging and subtly jabbing her. She was visibly irritated and would push his hand away, sometimes throwing it back with force, repeatedly telling him to stop. But he wouldn’t. Rather, he would laugh, and looked amused by her increased anger.
All the while, William, sat there without joining in as if he wanted to do something… but stayed out of it.
That, along with similar videos, showed how he gets pleasure from irritating people, enjoys annoying them, retaliates and stories of how he punishes at will, makes me wonder if he has some kind of chemical imbalance or something… it is odd to watch. Seriously, he doesn’t seem right in the head 🥺. So I agree with you. Harry has been like this for a very long time. He is influenced by M, but she equally is influenced by him thus, they perpetuate each other. Thank you for your analysis, well done!
That's a good point about how she learned About the royal family. Believe me that happens in my family and in business.
Meghan removed Harry from his 'comfort zone' and exposed him to life beyond the palace walls. Then turned him again the members of the family he got along with such as Catherine and Zara.
Loved your perspective. The only thing I blame Meghan for is coming into a new family and not giving it much chance. She then goes on national television to talk about her in-laws and their corporation in the most dimmed light. Did she herself not like anyone she met ? Did she not want to learn everything she could from one of the most riveting people in the world ? The Queen. I think Harry has always been Harry. I think Meghan is a very immature woman whose head was spun by many outside forces, not just Harry. Fantastic piece. Thanks.
Harry at 3 years of age picked up two handfuls of rocks, and threw them at photographers. The rest is just noise and excuses. He's always been 'troubled'.
I like your fair analysis of the dynamics between Harry and Meghan. I think they came together, both troubled individuals, and created 'the perfect storm'.
It was obvious that Harry didn’t have a lot of resentment for his brother and Catherine until he met Meghan. Meghan has dumped and ghosted so many people in her life that it is an obvious pattern for her. Harry was very loyal to his friends and family until her. So there is no question who led who in this case.
Totally agree. I think Harry was far from having an unblemished character and could clearly be destructive. And no doubt had resentments. But I don't think trashing his family, and constant courting of the media would have occurred had he married anyone else. Angela Levin met with him for over a year when writing his biography, and has stated many times that he's completely changed. Plus, Meghan had advice from a lot of Palace staff and members of the RF, as much as she said otherwise on Oprah. I don't believe she wasn't well informed.
Very true indeed! Meghan wants Harry to hate his Royal family, like what she did to her family. Kate, Prince William abd Harry has a good relationahip until Meghan came. What i can't uderstand is, why Harry is letting his bad wife to manipulate him? Is Harry a weak and "brainless" man? I don't know what Meghan did to Harry. Meghan was a very good manipulator. Sad for Harry.
I am a relatively modest woman. It was brought to my attention to look up what roasted chicken means in the urban dictionary. Not for the faint of heart!
I am 80, never heard of it in any other context but the obvious, until I found out the other meaning. Wish I could unknow it. Ugh.
I think she did change him as in he seems to have become less impulsive but I think she created a malicious calculating monster aided by his paranoia from prolonged drug use.
And took advantage of him not being clever so she leaked every country they was going to live until she got her mansion no leaks sorry don’t trust either of them
I think they wind each other up and bring out the worst in each other. Both of them are mean and addicted to drama. Horrible couple that no one can ever trust.
Yes! They seem to be addicted to drama!
"A black hole of superficiality" love it!!
Thankyou! X
I think he’s always been a problem he was just trained to hide it. She would never have gone with him if he hadn’t had a title of money behind him. After all, she said she wanted a famous guy… normally that comes with money or status so she could make money
I listened to you and tried to be objective. I honestly think they have fed off each other. These two toxic people are two halves of one unpleasant whole. Quite frankly, they deserve each other.
Thanks for trying! 😂 You’ll like my 3rd April vid better!
Folie aux Due
Thank you for sharing your insights. It's a treat to hear from someone with such a broad overview. Harry seems distrubed for sure but I think someone a bit more calculating is steering him, leading him down a destructive path for their own ends. It appears to be a Folie à deux. They seem to feed each others fears and insecurities and they are constantly oscillating between obsessive control and paranoia.
The sad thing is Harry seems emotionally unstable due to his self-confessed dr*g use (my opinion based on what he said, what I see of his actions and his appearance). I don't see this ending well. Princess Diana also courted the media this way and her life spiralled out of control with devastating consequences. So sad to watch the pain they cause their families and us the public who have to endure this modern Shakespearian tragedy unfolding before our eyes!
this is not a new can of worms for me, this is what i’ve thought all along, it’s both of them, the other young women he dated didn’t share his views, but meghan wanted out before she got in, i believe it was her that said if you’re unhappy, i’m unhappy, we could just leave. He’s even said, meghan showed me i was trapped. He needed a partner in this emotional betrayal of family and country, she serves this purpose….he may be unhappy, but she did get him out….at some point he’ll tire of this continual anger at the world, but it’s going to be years, for now he is caught in playing out the role he’s created.
yet i love my brother, i love my father, he wants some of the RF part, the perks, not having them recoil from him. His immaturity keeps him from understanding how this all has affected them, like the 12 year old i believe he is. Zero mature self reflection, or understanding how he’d feel if William and Catherine did this to him.
Poor William and Catherine are required to be the mature adults, Harry can’t see how unfair this is to them.
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He's been so spoilt, he's lossed touch with reality, he's delusional! no understanding of responsibility. Driven and encouraged by an evil woman who has her own agenda, fame!!! and fame!!!
I actually agree with you, this has always been my view. By taking Harry away from the RF PR machine, M allowed us to see the real Harry. I think they are both toxic and bring out the worst in each other
We only have her word for it that Harry was the only one who told her about himself and his family. I absolutely am sure she knew all she needed to know about him.
And remember; she was friends with Eugenie before she met Hazbeen. She did her homework well and truly! Got herself ‘in’ with the “right” people like a spider weaving it’s web.
Completely agree. I doubt she cared much about what he said about his family or himself. I think she spotted that he wasn't bright, had little real life experience, and was swallowing her nonsense. That's all she needed to know about Harry, imho. She must of thought she won the lottery after a date with him.
I definitely have my own opinion on this. I would love to hear yours. Another very informative read is Angela Levins book on Camilla. Disturbing story in that book about him as a teen. ❤
I am currently reading Angela Levin’s book on Harry…so that one next!
Hayswhite, why so cryptic? What's the disturbing story about?
Yes! I was told when he was a teenager he was impossible and caused his Father many sleepless nights. This was all hidden by the media he hates.
I reiterate ,he is mean and cruel, Meghan is welcome to him.
I bet all his ex girl friends would agree with me.
@@thevintageread Yay!!!!
Thank you your very well thought out comments. No vitriol, no bias, no wild assumptions and assertions. You are helping to make sense of all the chaos 😍
Thank you x
So what was the reason she ditched her family? Never invited anyone other than her mother from her family. I think the pair are mirror images of each other they bring out the worse in each other So Tom Bower's book about her behaviour has never been sued. So even before she met Harry she thought she was above everyone
He has admitted to being an addict for almost 25 years. It seems logical to me that this would be the core issue to his personality.
I think you are right about the lack of consequences. H. does act as if he can say and do whatever he wants at any time and expect everyone to be ok with it and still treat him kindly.
I believe H. has been carrying around a lot of jealousy and envy, but I also think that a lot of the grievances and resentment has been nourished since he met M.. I suspect he would tell her things with a laugh and say "And then this person said this...", and then M. would react with shock and horror and convince him that this is something he should be offended by. After a while he would start thinking that he has been letting people get away with being disrespectful to him and reviewing his life through that lens.
I read in, "The Mists of Avalon" (not necessarily a read I'm proud of... 😉🤷) a quote that ran something like, _Not even Circe the Sorceress could have turned men into pigs if they had not at least already been piglets before!_ 😉😆
I was watching a 3 part documentary which was being narrated by Diana’s former butler and he saw Harry as a very kind companionate child and young adult when he knew him. He said William was more stoic like his dad. He recounted one story that Diana’s engagement ring actually went to Harry after her death but he passed it on to William to give to Kate because he wanted it to be worn by a Queen one day. I wondered why this didn’t make it into his book because it paints him in a kinder light than most of his stories. 🤷🏼♀️ I think Meghan only changed him in that she knows what buttons to push in order to get what she wants.
Of course, Harry now denies that story😼
Has anyone wondered whether Harry with his connection with Netflix could he have been helping them regarding the making of the crown?
I cannot wait. I absolutely appreciate your reviews and perspectives!
I appreciate that!
The problem with saying that Harry was instigating the problems with the Royal family and Meghan was taking her cue from him, is that it it igores Meghan's fractured relationships within her own family. Harry got on well with his family until he met Meghan. Meghan had a history of family breakdown which pre-dated her marriage. She was bad news IMO.
Your speculation may be correct, however, if one examines Harry’s body language during that portion of the Oprah interview, he appeared to be utterly ashamed of what was being said. If he was behind the anti-family rhetoric, and Meghan was his pawn; he would have had confidence and glee that his plan was working. To me, he looked like a dear in headlights. Not totally aware of the significance of what was being said or the reason why they were talking about it. There was a moment when Harry tried to minimize the comment about skin color, and Meghan, very forcefully, turned to him and said something like: “no, we are going to tell this”, and he looked down and wanted to crawl under the table to hide. In that moment, I saw a man that was manipulated and very uncomfortable. Even a bit scared. Meghan’s body language was that of a cool mastermind thief, stealing the priceless diamond while everyone watched. I don’t get the impression Harry is a calculating character. He’s not that smart. His motivation in life is to be loved; not to destroy. His drinking and drug taking is to numb his feelings. Meghan’s motivation is to destroy and conquer. She has no feelings.
Yes, and that nonsense that there was no help (after she was given the dream team of staff and LadysInWaiting to help her navigate becoming royal) - she made that snide comment that a manual might exist for other royal brides (meaning Catherine). Thought Harry looked very uncomfortable and he started to interject, she put her arm down - he thought better of it.
I agree with you both. Harry was definitely uncomfortable at that time when talking about his family. He knew back then that the first rule of the Royal Family is, don't talk about the Royal Family!
Unfortunately, his empathic traits have eroded a lot more since then.
He has put his wife on an impossibly high pedestal based on his weird feelings about his mother.
@@lalaholland5929 People researching Meghan’s past remarks have revealed that she hated Catherine long before she met Harry. In fact, as we know, early on she used Harry to try to steal William. This is a pattern for her - compulsively social climbing and gold digging. “Empowering women”? Nothing could be further from the truth. Harry’s a flawed character, yet whatever he does, I feel a lot of sympathy for him over this. She’s gained a great deal; he’s lost nearly everything. Even his children may be used as weapons against him.
I agree, his body language and the way he spoke in that interview was very different to the way that Harry spoke in the Tom Bradby interview for spare and the smirk on his face when he said that he never said that his family was racist.
I would disagree. His interview with Anderson and the English ITV guy and the live stream therapy session were brutal to his father and brother, and Catherine, as well. His book, with his name on it, regardless of the real author, is his memoir, with his petty stories about room size and sausages. He has responsibility for every cruel word uttered and printed. He also is responsible for ignoring his grandmother’s request, on her actual deathbed, that he visit her. His wife didn’t hold a gun to his head for any of that, did she?
I agree with your analysis but will say that judging by what she has done to her own family that she is just as culpable.
I think that it's folie a deux. She has brought out the worst in him. They are both odious. Arthur Clark, the photographer for The Sun, said that no caring man would tell his wife things that hurt her.
The perfect description. "A madness shared by two".
The Queen tried to help/guide her, but she refused, saying “I have Harry” … she knew what she was doing!
All of the successful work the RF did to rehabilitate his image went down the drain when he met his wife.
I agree, in part, with what you're saying but.......I think MM got the measure of the hapless Prince within 5 minutes of meeting him! She, over time, would have heard all the gripes and supposed wrongdoing of members of the family, the press and the palace officials. I'm pretty sure she saw the actual truth, but it gave her a way of manipulating him into doing what she wanted all along, which was to live in the US as grade A celebrities. By playing up to his fears about his mother and feeding him stories and planting stories in the press, she made him so paranoid that he felt he had no option but to leave the UK. Much as he might have wished for a life outside the RF, I think even he knew he wasn't equipped (or bright enough) to do anything else, but she painted a picture so believable, that he fell for it. I think she brought into it as well, she truly thought they'd be superstars. That might have been true at one point, but then they made the fatal mistake of opening their mouths and spouting lie after lie to make themselves more 'interesting' and victimised - after all you're going to need a pretty good reason for ditching one of the most priviliged, famous, loved families in the world!
I don't think she 'changed' him, he was always like this, but I do think she manipulated a man/child, with chronic paranoia, jealousy and mummy issues and used him for her own ends. I think she would have much preferred a half in half out scenario but by that time she couldn't controlled the monster she'd prodded awake.
A tiny part of me sometimes feels sorry for her, because I do believe she has feelings for him, but she's now living with the consequences of her actions, & let's face it ladies who of us would want to be saddled with a character like PH? Much like Wallis Simpson discovered, you reap what you sow.
I love your perspective. Highly branded Harry meets highly branded meghan - yes. He really comes off as a resentful, jealous guy in his book and that does seem to drive his perspective on everything.
Dear Vintage Read,
I was just watching some of Suits and her character, Rachel, is known to be a woman of colour - biracial.
Since you are reading many of the books, I wondered how and when Meghan's identity in the UK became equated to a woman of colour?
My recollection was that it was b4 marriage and gladly welcomed.
But, I don't remember the particulars.
I think Meme had an agenda from the start to catch a prince, however, I also believe that Harry has always been a mean little snark and Meme has just poked the flames higher and let him lose with it. I believe he didn’t show it as much prior to meeting Meme, as the Queen squashed it. Nasty both of them.
What is so interesting to me is that his “badness” is a reflection of Diana’s parenting skills.
The Spencer’s are a messed up bunch.
This is a really fair and excellent analysis of them as a couple and individually. “Black hole of superficiality.” Brilliant! I look forward to your videos! Harry clearly isn’t super well balanced and is a little damaged from his early childhood trauma but I really do think Meghan brings out the worst in him. Her previous blog the Tig proves she did know about the RF and her comments on that site indicated she would be a “royal rebel” if given the chance. She’s alienated most of her family and now Harry has alienated himself from his family as well and to me that’s what’s the saddest about this situation. You’re right about them as a pair. They are very hypocritical, they themselves never have any regret or self correction but expect everyone else to.
Well done as always
I think you are right in everything you said today. Very good insight! I am from the U.S.A. and I feel that this has gone far beyond what it ever should have. This is no longer a family issue King Charles needs to put your country first without question! He has allowed this whole Harry and Meghan situation to get so out of hand. He should have sent them an invitation to the Coronation and told them to come or don't come, if they come they will have to follow the rules they are given, period end of story ! take it or leave it!. I really enjoy your show!
I think Harry related these questions about the age of his son, finding them amusing, and Meghan came up with "they are racist", and convinced him so. So it's Meghan who started this, not Harry.
I've been enjoying your summaries of the 2 mixed up, middle-aged brats & their relationships. (My words)😊❤🇦🇺
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Harry loved "telling on people'". He loved telling Meghan.
This has to be the best video I've seen in this channel, ADORED IT! I wish Pierce Morgan invited you to his show. Actually, scratch that, this channel is better than his show already. Congratulations! 🥂
Harry was always a grenade. The RF had very carefully handled the grenade so as to not have it explode. Meghan came along and pulled the pin.
Look at Megan in tv interviews before Harry and she is just the same,
My mother was a narcissist they control you, take you away from friend's and family so your dependent on them, they distort your way of thinking, in Harry's case his family is against her, racist, look how they treat me 😢
and they can't answer back so Harry believes every word, Harry himself will be belittled by her and compared to past boyfriends ( Trevor's bracelet she wears ) and her past life - so he will be forever wanting to make her happy.
But a narcissist is never happy, they want bigger, better, more expensive, more power, more money and if Harry can't provide it she will move on to someone else who can, and she has done that all her life.
Hell YES we came blame her for being the way she is! She's a grown woman, she's got a mind of her own. Are you suggesting Prince Dimwit clouded her world view? Phhh, please!
Ok 😂 I tried but no-one is convinced (not even me since I read more of Revenge!
Those poor rescue chickens were all cooked, night after night.. good grief 😢😮
I was wondering about that- I mean, isn't Meghan (at least) a vegetarian, Grand Mistress of The _Avocado Toast?_ 😉😆 And wasn't there talk about Archie being raised a vegan? 🤔🤨🤔 Then someone brought up the fact that "roasting a chicken" has other meanings, too; according to the Urban Dictionary. 😳 And that they were not telling us about their dinner plans; but rather about what they like to do in bed. 😳😵😖😝
Brilliant. Thank-you for all the painstaking work to arrive at this analysis.
I agree but would never have been able to find the examples, or have the ability to articulate, my reasoning so well. 👏👏
The woman was caught taking pictures in the palace and of W&K children before any talk about them leaving. Who's Idea was that
You presented a possibility. He didn’t need much coaxing because he’s already a miserable person. Always coddled by the family. Both are at fault! They feed off of each others problems. Like attracts like! Thank you. Blessings to you. 🥰🌎❤️🎶🌝
I have not considered this angle concerning H&M. I can see how Harry’s projection of his family could ignite the flame of Meghan’s schemes with more ease & confidence. I still think she planned to take Harry and leave the monarchy behind for Hollywood.
Talking abut the race allegations..... I don't know if Harry is to blame what information was passed on to her about things that were discussed, BUT... The fact, that Meghan discussed this without Harry being a part of the discussion with Oprah and her, tells me that there were differences on how they both thought about this.
The other thing is, that Lady C did actually told what the whole discussion was about... It wasn't a discussion per say, it was more a gentle joke on how the mix of a red-head and a person with afro could look like. This was mentioned by Camilla without a bad intention.... she painted a picture of a child with ginger afro.
They both are so very toxic!
It's like watching and waiting for a car crash... narcissists' relationships always end with the discard. Either she discards him when she's used up all his resources, financially, physically, emotionally, business-related, image, status etc. Or he discards her because he is so depressed he has to escape it die. I hope he's able to pick up the pieces of his life when it comes to this and he'll be thankful for loving family and friends at that point. Since he is brainwashed, he may only see the light on his trips to the UK when she is not there to influence him and he can get clarity. Let's hope she releases the imaginary kids to the custody of their grandfather, because you can't keep kids when you're living on the street.
I agree one hundred percent the only thing MM likes about Harry is his title/status and his access to famous people and perks. She would have had zero interest in him without the title; quite ironic because he falsely believes she is the only one that loves him for himself. I am sure she secretly loathes him; then again, I don't think she is capable of caring about anyone but herself.
😂Roast chickens?😂 Now, let's not forget all those CHICKENS, roaming the yard, during the Oprah interview ‼️😂😂😂 Maybe Meghan has a diabolical eye, toward them, too!😂
Hi! Yeah I think you are right, Harry's deep feelings are coming out to the Fore!!! He defininetely Has the compacity to do alot of damage on his Own!!! I have lost respect for him because the REAL HARRY has Arrived!!!!!
There was an interview years ago, where Nutmeg was asked "William or Harry" and she said William. So, there's that...
Now we know way more about Harry than we ever needed to know, it is almost impossible to see him now as being a sitting duck right for the narcissists picking. However, I still do. She tapped into an unintelligent, vain, spoilt man, treated his friends and family unfairly and poorly, and then took him away from them to isolate him in their fake castle in America where he now completely sympathizes with the person who did this to him as being the victim, and believes that his abuser is his saviour. It really, seriously is so mucked up - how can anyone make any sense of it. Thoroughly enjoy the perspectives you present and the cross-referencing between different sources. Look forward to your videos. Thanks.
Great insight
Thank you
They are both horrible ungrateful people 🤮
Sad for the children… these are the parents:
irresponsible, shameless, disrespectful, LIARS!!!
They just showed us whatever is underneath behind the scenes of their unconscious minds.
His cover is blown. And his choice of the woman to partner with makes it easier to expose his shenanigans. She’s not far off from him either.
A blackhole of superficiality, endless pit. 😢
Wives have always tried to change their man…she facilitated his move away from family..she pointed out there was grass on the other side of the fence and guess what it was greener.
I recently discovered your videos and I am watching you from Paris, France. I love your videos :-) they are very pleasant et interesting.
After listening a lot of videos about them and I don't remember who sais that but, someone said : they both revealed the bad side of each other. And you are right when you say that she discovered the RF through Harry's eye. And I am agree that she wouldn't have looked at him if he wasn't a Prince. That is to say, he totally ruined his PR campaign dating with her. They are both responsible for this situation.
Excellent analysis, however I do believe that it wasn't only through Harry's filter that his wife came to form her opinions of his family.
When you look carefully at how she operates, she was always going to be jealous of anyone who was prettier, had nicer clothes or more power etc.
Unfortunately narcissistic people are very much like this.
Yes I actually believe they are as bad as each other!
Why did you ignore that Megan had studied the RF for years. She had her own impressions and motives. She can easily influence H to see his situation differently to get him to do anything, with the threat of leaving him.
You are correct. This is the same woman that told her dad to either disown his older children or ne disowned by Meghan. He refused and she had promptly disowned him. Meghan is ruthless and unfeeling. Harry would not have left his family acrimoniously without Meghan's manipulation. What about all the disobedience of protocol. She made her inlaws' lives hell. Drama every day is draining.
Absolutely. I don't think Markle viewed anything through Harry's guidance - ever. Manipulative relationships are about the abusive partner can gain. It's plain to see the difference between Oprah Harry and Spare Harry. Markle was doing the trashing initially and it backfired on her. Now Harry's out there trashing his family and she's keeping her hands clean.
I agree with you and believe that Harry's jaundiced view of his family gave Meghan the wrong perspective of situations, but Meghan, having seemingly had all her own way while growing up- was the worst match for Harry. They might have fired on all sexual cylinders in total unison- personality wise they were/ are are very unsuitable - in fact they are far to alike to ever 'blend' successfully without serious friction. Sadly this is not a union made I heaven!
She has definitely forced him to go against his family and sue everyone if they don't agree with them. He suddenly realized he has rights now😂
I agree. He does have rights, as do the other RF members. But they tend not to sue because they don't like to use the power of their position in that way. It can backfire in terms public opinion, which the Monarchy needs for survival. If they all started whining and fighting in the courts, I don't think it would tolerated for too long.
I love your reviews, it feels like you’re spot on. 💝