Autistic Headcanons - Hunter/The Golden Guard (The Owl House)
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- This had a lot of research, watching the show, and my own thoughts as someone in the autistic community involved in the making and my phone kept running out of storage so that’s why it took so long to release this. And there’s a lot of spelling errors so ignore them. Anyway I think I’m the first person to make a headcanon video about Hunter from TOH so I hope you enjoy!
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Ik I should have posted this comment weeks ago but for those of you who think Hunter's autistic traits come from his PTSD and his upbringing, there's some things part of his personality that trauma can't explain but autism can such as his hyperfiaxtion and infodumping. I would also like to mention that his traits of PTSD and Autism could overlap, and Dana Terrace did say once that neurodiversity was written into the show and who the characters are intentionally, which means that its a good possibility that Hunter Is autistic and PTSD coded!
That was specifically in regards to Luz being neurodivergent. I don't think we'd even met hunter by that point.
@@alexjewett7455 Dana said she wrote neurodivergence in the owl house intentionally and why would she make that statement only towards the main character?
@@kalenkotalik because she was asked if Luz was neurodivergent.
@@alexjewett7455 you can be neurodivergent and allstic though and he seems to cptsd
@@alexjewett7455 listen you can be neruovigdnet and allstic and hunter clearly has cptsd
Flapjack to me comes across almost as a service or emotional support animal! He helps Hunter navigate the world and clearly tries to comfort him when he’s upset, which isn’t something other palismen have been shown to do. Also, as a fellow autistic person, I’ve always had a special connection with animals and find them much easier to deal with than people because their behavior is consistent and easy to read. (Also they have nice textures.) I think that’s pretty common for autistic people, and Hunter seems to fall into that category as well! Great video, I was hoping to find a compilation of all his autistic traits somewhere :-)
Well I’m glad you came here, I’ll have a part 2 up tomorrow!
as an autistic service dog handler I approve of flapjack being a service animal.
Bro i just noticed, maybe the fact he uses gloves all the time is a hint too, y'know, like Sheldon did when he was young while saying grace at the dinner table with his family bc the doesn't like direct contact (Big Bang Theory/Young Sheldon)
And with the social cues, some of the va or producers said on a ig live they deleted a scene on Clouds on the Horizon where Hunter didn't understand to ''give them privacy/room to talk" to Luz and Amity while rescuing her while the others where like "hey give them room to talk" and he was like "wym? Why?" and the others were like "you'll understand when you're older" and he was like "but i am older than you, wym older?" and Flapjack starts talking w him about it so he remains still waiting for Luz/Amity
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Unfortunately Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory is a bad example to use for this because even though he seems to be written very clearly autistic the writers and creators have stated before that he is not and they can't help how people read him but he wasn't meant to be written that way. Just thought I'd share, as an autistic person I think you might find Entrapta from She-Ra to be a better example as she also wears the big gloves.
Sorry for the late reply but the fact that Hunter was 1. pushing boundaries 2. misunderstanding their intentions by needing to be kept back and pretty much restrained because of his curiosity and instincts 3. having a fit because he can't go up with Luz and being confused 4. needing flapjack to come in to talk to him about what was going on and calm him down and help him understand, all this in just one scene just SCREAMS autism. So, Hunter is probably on the spectrum.
and btw in season 3 Thanks To Them, he doesn't have gloves on at all (not counting the scene when he got possessed btw cuz his body was being mutated) and he didn't have any scars so it was probably sensory issues!
@@kalenkotalik I think the fact that it was cut out means they thought it didn't work. Also, if his gloves were for sensory issues, why would he stop wearing them in the human realm?
As an autistic person I’m not sure I agree with this quite yet, though it would certainly explain why I like him so much. I would like to note that impulsivity is an Adhd thing and not an Autism thing. Like, we might be unpredictable to people, but that’s because those people are under informed and don’t know us that well. My family can tell when I’m about to have a meltdown, and they understand my billion quirks and what they mean to me. And even with Adhd, I’m not very impulsive, because new things are scary. Autism is a spectrum disorder tho, so some people are more impulsive than others. It’s just not really an Autism thing
But you have to look at more of the traits he shows, like the way he socializes, he doesn’t pick up on social cues, he’s touch averse, and he feels more comfortable with rules and schedules. But I see your point!
@@kalenkotalik that isn't necessarily autism
@@magicalwitch456 well it’s the more common traits but it’s ok if you don’t agree with the headcanon!
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I think he might have both autism and adhd.
Don’t forget about him info dumping about his interest like he did in “Hunting Palisman” lol
I did show that but maybe not in a way that everyone will get the memo thanks for letting me know!
@@kalenkotalik yeah, in the scene where Luz was explaining the glyphs and how they and the sleeping nettles would work in their plan to stop Kikimora and he just starts info dumbing
first off i love everything about this and need more, secondly u forgot about hyperfixations!! he knows everything about random topics and loves talking about them and is very "nerdy"
I realized that a few hours after I posted it and idk, should I make an updated version? It’ll give me something to do.
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@@kalenkotalik I mean if u want to, I would love that lol :))
@@kalenkotalik Yas
Hoooooooo boy do we EVER
I live this so much! Hunter is a character I like to project myself onto and this is a really strong headcanon I have for him
Glad you agree and it’s kinda obvious he’s an autistic coded character whether it was intentional or not!
While I do like this head-cannon I think that these behaviors can be explained through Hunter’s relationships with Belos. He was socially isolated in the castle, having never spoken to teens his own age. This, to me, explains why he is socially inept. Also, Belos has been shown to be physically abusive to Hunter. This is probably the main reason why he does not like physical contact. I do agree with the consensus that Flapjack is his emotional support animal, but I think it’s to deal with his general anxiety.
Ik but something just tells me if Hunter got therapy for his trauma he’d still show autistic traits. Idk y, but thanks for showing your thoughts!
btw usually when teenagers who have never spoke to people their own age talk to them, they tend to be nervous, Hunter instead acts excited and confident when communicating with teens, that's also an autistic trait that an isolated neurotypical wouldn't display
i think he has a emotional support animal due to his cptsd
@@kalenkotalik ANXIETY is common in asd but at first they will be the opposite right
1:14 we all know hunter is the grimwalker so he's the copy of belos brother which name was Caleb, so basically it wasn't just a random name it was foreshadowing of beloses backstory
Yea but then he started saying random names
@@kalenkotalik flapjack gave him the idea of caleb. but the rest he did himself.
AHHH HE IS MY COMFORT CHARACTER!! he’s just like me. He just needs to chill a bit
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I didn’t notice how many symptoms I had until now.
I didn’t either till I started seeing tiktoks about it
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@God I read a lot of it online too it’s not just from TikTok
@God well not every AFAB with autism gets diagnosed so a proper diagnosis isn’t always the best answer
@God and yes I’m speaking for myself
As an autistic, and in love with the show, this makes me happy!
I love that, I’m happy to make others happy!
Same here.
I love when Hunter calls Darius and Darius is like: "what the...! how did you get this number?!"
My autistic self didnt realize darius was beung sarcastic either..
I didn't notice either when I first watched the episode
“Fun” fact: people who’ve experienced trauma can display what people read as signs of autism when in reality they’re trauma responses, (such as misunderstanding social cues, retreating into themself or lashing out when overwhelmed, etc.) so anyone who’s considering an autism diagnosis who’s experienced trauma is required to undergo a certain amount of therapy before they can diagnose *anything.*
[ Also, I myself am autistic, and as much as I love good autistic representation, I looked into this sort of thing when people were saying that Mafuyu Satō (from Given) was autistic. ]
I still think he’s autistic cuz he infodumps and fixations, and he stims a lot
@@kalenkotalik I totally understand why you think he is, and I have no issue with that, I’m just saying that personally I think that a lot of the things can also be read as trauma responses. Like, his resistance to touch from Flapjack could be a combination of Belos’ physical @buse & manipulation making Hunter believe that wild magic was bad, and the stimming is something that lots of non-autistic people do when they’re anxious.
@@RedBanana_ I get that too but a lot of his traits aren’t really proven to be trauma responses
It's true, but I have to say just in case someone read it and misintreprest it : this fact is often used to invalidate someone's autism ("you're not autistic, it's just trauma"), when most of autistic people have actually experienced traumas, so this disclaimer is needed : someone having trauma responses doesn't mean they're not autistic (from an autistic person with traumas)
@@cendre4605 True, I’m just saying that while lots of autistic people have experienced trauma, as Hunter has *very recently* experienced a lot of trauma and had no time to process any of it, lots of it could be explained as trauma responses. Although, if he had time to process said trauma, and went through X amount of therapy, and still acted similarly, *then* I’d say “yeah, he’s probably autistic”.
Yeah we can all notice this from the start of sport in any storm And hollow mind
Yeah cuz in Any Sport In A Storm, he sucks at socializing and he gets upset with a schedule change. In Hollow Mind, he gets upset and has an outburst when his mission didn’t go as planned and he stims and infodumps once he’s in Belos’s mind!
One mistake I noticed is that Hunter isn't the leader of the Emperor's Coven, Belos is
If you look it up it will say Hunter is
Hunter is the leader of the coven itself but Belos is the Emperor that rules over the Boiling Isles themselves.
While this could be plausible. And I like the idea as someone who has SPD and has worked alongside children with SPD. However it just comes off to me as nurture over nature. Though I could be wrong.
And something that is hinted at, was that flapjack was Caleb’s palismen, or at least knew them. Since they told hunter that name, and their presence reminds belos of Caleb, even outright yelling out their name.
Yeah but when Flapjack told Hunter that name he thought it was just a random suggestion from him so he started coming up with “Jasper” and when they asked him where he’s a transport from he randomly said “the toes” their just random things that he says and the thought Caleb was just a random thing that Flapjack said.
I was wondering why he was so relatable! That makes more sense! :O 💙
Happy to hear that!
Another thing I noticed which I don't think was touched upon in this video is that he portrays having a special interest in things like magic. It's shown in hunting palismen when he begins to talk to Luz about wild magic and such as well as with Belos in one episode which I don't remember the name of. Cool video!
I covered that in the part 2 but thanks for noticing!
AUTISTIC HUNTER IS REAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!1
IIIIKKKK!!!!!
Very debatable since you also have to realize that the poor boy was raised/created in isolation & didn't get to learn the outside world til much later in life. Also Belos is from the 17th century so different times social norms too.
Yeah but at the same time though, someone who’s neurotypical wouldn’t have responses to new social situations like Hunter does.
I didn’t realize that Darius was being sarcastic about how Hunter can earn the cloak back. I can’t tell when people are being sarcastic. That always confused me after seeing that episode that he told Hunter to get new recruits for the Emperor’s Coven and then he said that they didn’t need new recruits later. Thanks for helping me understand!
0:35 BRO I JUST CANNOT GET OVER THAT 😂😂😂😂
Wow, I didn’t even realize Darius was being sarcastic until this video. He’s just like me for real for real.
Have you guys Have you guys noticed why flapjack chose him because he and willow who sees the good and people flapjack does the same and he clearly helped hunter find the good and him he helped him make friends have a better Relationship with Darius and more
15k views and 1.8k subs? You're doing amazing!
I genuinely didnt know that Darius was being sarcastic in that scene i was thinking he was serous
so did I...
I thought he was seriously as well when I first watched the episode
the way i didnt realise darius was being sarcastic😭
I'm autistic and I 100% agree with this headcanon (well, except maybe for the "Caleb" things, actually Flapjack told him this name lol)
Oh and also, there is another mistake : autistic people tend to look at the small details (it depend of the person of course, but "looking at small details" is considered as an autistic trait, not the other way)
@@cendre4605 yeah, but he has more traits than those but I see what you’re saying.
@@kalenkotalik yes he has ! X)
@@cendre4605those "....wait!" Moments?
i didn't pick up that Darius was being sarcastic either 💀💀💀
ME EITHER💀💀💀💀
When you didn't know Darius was being sarcastic:🥴
Yep, that’s in everyone in the autism community for ya! And I proud❤️
NO BC I DIDNT KNOW HE WAS BEING SARCASTIC AT FIRST EITHER HELP
@@natashavanderbilt2093 dude when I found that out I realized, I’m so autistic!
And the line about “the coven heads doing it all the time back at the castle” about backstabbing. The cues he does get he copies from other sources. In my experience you learn how to talk and be a functional person who can pass for normal through imitation by either what you watch, read, or presented from other people. Usually those in authority or those you trust.
I picked up a few traits from characters on TV when I was a kid
Spidey's quips, Wolverine's aggression, Beetljuice's hygiene, and the Mask's nuttiness.
Imagine a kid like that
One of my autistic daughters loves The Owl House, her favorite character is Hunter. ❤️
Hunter is the best character, he’s the reason I watch The Owl House tbh!
@@kalenkotalik 💕Millie would agree💕
1:53 i didn't know Darius was being sarcastic 😭
OH M FUCKING G I JUST FOUND MY NEW FAV CHANNEL :>
I LUV HUNTER PATOOTIE AAA
hunter has been comfurmed autistic and ptsd by dana back in 2022 in a tweet^^
I made that tweet
i have to admit he have A LOT of symptoms, and i think this can may be true! i have an autistic brother, and he and hunter acts very similiar :)
He’s similar to Peridot from Steven Universe and she is confirmed neurodivergent!
@@kalenkotalik Wait peridot is? i didn't knew that :D
@@komi-sankinnied8703 yeah, Rebecca Sugar didn’t say that Peridot is specifically autistic, she only did that she is neurodivergent, which Peridot mainly only shows sign of autism, so we can only assume “neurodivergent” mean that she’s autistic. And since Hunter 1: Has a similar redemption arc and 2: Has the same autistic traits as Peridot, I can conclude that Hunter is also neurodivergent coded, if not autistic!
@@kalenkotalik true! 😸
Now with this video, I'm just asking to myself,
Am I just socially awkward or autistic-
I 100% agree that Hunter has a LOT of Autistic traits. I'm kinda confused why I didn't notice it on my own tho😅
I'm Autistic as well and for some reason I didn't like the headcanon at first...
I love it now tho, don't worry
Looking at the bigger picture and ignoring small details is the exact opposite of what I've heard is an autistic trait.
Bro- I made this shit a year ago
I theory i like is that he has c-ptsd, which is also a... Neurodivergency? Anyway, its pretty hard to explain it myself, but ive seen a lot of mther neurodivergent youtubers talk abt it so yea
=D
1:57 Wait what he was being sarcastic???
Ok I’m gonna say it because I’ve seen a lot of comments about this on any media that suggests hunter is autistic
YES TRAUMA CAN CAUSE MANY OF THESE BEHAVIOURS
No, that doesn’t mean he’s not also autistic.
I myself am autistic but I also have trauma somewhat similar to hunter and let me just say. If someone is so “autistic” due to trauma, then just accept that. It doesn’t actually matter what specific problems are causing the behaviour as long as the person or people around them understand it.
But more importantly, people often have multiple struggles.
I’m autistic and have trauma. I’m also a queer, trans person. I’m adopted but have family issues unrelated to that fact, and much more. Life is complicated, and hunter can be autistic and have cptsd.
If you personally feel it can all be explained away with just one of those? Great, go ahead, but stop acting like him having trauma makes him immune (for lack of a better word) from also being autistic
EXACTLY!!!
This is so true and I wish more people knew this
@@kalenkotalik yeah I got back into the show recently and I’m sick of seeing people say this stuff about hunter. Let him hyperfixate on wild magic and Star Trek gosh darn it!
As an autistic hunter kinnie i really love thos
We all know Hunter is autistic Dana Terrace just hasn’t said it yet
@@kalenkotalik fr
Since when is impulsively coming up with stuff an autistic trait?isn't it usually the opposite, needing an exact plan to function properly?
Autism is a spectrum disorder. Some autistic folk are paralysed by the idea of not having things planned out, some aren’t. It just depends if that stuff causes you enough stress to freeze or maybe only enough to freak out and have to act impulsively
I probably didn’t explain it well sorry
Honestly, I'm not really convinced. Your evidence is a little shaky and some of it could be explained by him growing up sheltered in a controlling and cutthroat environment with an abusive parental figure. Also, the reason he was so upset about the meeting being rescheduled is because it was supposed to be his first time in charge. Just an important bit of context you seem to have ignored.
I’m currently working on an analysis about it and how him having ptsd doesn’t make him any less likely to be autistic, and you do realize Dana writes neurodivergence in the owl house intentionally
@@kalenkotalik but that was about Luz.
@@alexjewett7455 how do you know, did you ask her? Why would she say that only to mean directly towards the main character?
@@kalenkotalik you know what, just forget it. I don't have the energy to keep arguing with you.
@@alexjewett7455 but you had the energy to comment and reply to my reply?
Well the reason he was avoiding eye contact could be because he was talking about something uncomfortable
Yeah, autistic people avoid eye contact because it makes them feel uncomfortable and can even be painful
So pretty much, you’re proving the hc to be even more canon
Thx
@@kalenkotalik yeah but i mean the eye contact itself isnt uncofraable but can more or less uncofrable depending on the momment there in so madye its already uncofrable but the momment made it more uncofrabele he is seen lookingaway when is excited or happy before but to a lesser extent though but i see your point but even if he is not aurstic he definley is neruogivdnet and has cptsd but his special interest in wild magic idmelltily talking to luz about it and infodumping is tottalky a aurstic thing plus luz probably has adhd and guz has asd there is even a video called growing up neruvidgenet which is with luz gus and hunter
@@kalenkotalik but cptsd can cause you to stim to help with stress and not understand social cues but my headcannon on why he is lied to is because he suppects hunter is aurstic so he wont undrstand lies and sacrsm since he clearly wont hold himself acddubale for gving him cptsd but thats just my headcannon and idk how will he supect him and why though