Every Autistic Trait Hunter Shows in The Owl House Season 3 - HAPPY AUTISM ACCEPTANCE MONTH!!!
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- This is all the autistic traits in The Owl House season 3 that I found that Hunter shows. If I missed any please let me know in the comments! HAPPY AUTISM ACCEPTANCE MONTH!!!!!!
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Alternative title: Hunter being me for 8 minutes
I got the title from a request a while back
Welcome to the club
@Alex v2 Sure you can!
Me too can i join
@@zhiang09 Yep
This video made me realize that not only was/is Hunter being the Golden Guard a tie in to the fact that he DEFINITELY has Golden Child Syndrome, him wearing the Golden Guard mask is also a physical representation of him masking, since he acts differently when wearing the mask as opposed to without it. Thank you for the epiphany!
That is a GOOD observation, wow.
Omg that is so true!! You def have a buff brain :)
He's actually what introduced me to golden child syndrome (something that was very important to me) through an edit of him with a song that has heavy themes of golden child syndrome. (Ironically the video was titled "hunter needs therapy")
Big brain energy 💪🏽 🧠
dang... thats some good writing.
*Can we just all agree this man is the cutest character in the entire show.*
The thing is, this looks like what bots comment
Yes!
Yes and King, Collector and Vee
Yes. He’s my favourite
Absolutely
Just remember that having a few of these symptoms does not necessarily mean a person is autistic. However, coding exists in television to signal cultural knowledge to certain demographics "in-the-know." In other words, Hunter may be coded autistic in the show, but a person like Hunter in real life might not have autism.
As someone who relate to Hunter but doesnt have autism thanki you for pointing that out
Hey sorry but can you explain what “coding” is, like is it making them seem like they’re autistic or something? I’m just a bit confused especially in this video when they said something about trans-coding idk if I’m overthinking it thanks in advance
@languid-4535 Hi! When something is (X)-coded, it means that it's showing traits commonly associated with X group of people without explicitly stating that they belong to said group. In this case, Hunter is coded autistic because he performs many of the same actions an autistic person may exhibit; stimming, disregarding social cues, hyperfixaton, etc. Sheldon from Big Bang Theory, Donatello from the new TMNT show, Sai from Naruto Shippuden, Wednesday Addams from the new Addams Family show are also examples. Hope this helps! 😁
@@TheKhfan001 ok that makes perfect sense, thank you so much!
Yup! Throughout the entire video I was thinking “this is “normal” stuff”. Not a single trait mentioned, followed up by a clip of Hunter doing something similar, seemed autistic. He just seems like another neurotypical kid. Most of the video claims he’s autistic because he simply loves a book series😭😭 it just doesn’t make sense to me.
Stuff like pacing, avoiding eye contact, and other such things are just done to exaggerate emotions and create more effective storytelling (as in, even younger kids can understand what a character is feeling based on their actions alone). Not to mention they’re present in his character because he lived a super reclusive life during his formative years.
He’s not autistic, he’s just figuring out how the world works after being abused.
The last trait that you showed Hunter having as being Autistic at 8:09 would be the delayed response, where those under the spectrum need about a few seconds longer to react to a situation or conversation.
but at the same time autistic people can also be implusive its more of a sign of adhd but it can happen in austim to
@@michalelkin-bronner7958 though thats true, not every autistic person is the same.
No every autistic person is NOT the same I know this myself
@@randomkid3945 thats what i said.
@@CurseddFlames I agree with both statements. Though I should have clarified that it is a possible trait for those on the ASD spectrum to have.
Something else I noticed was that in Any Sport in a Storm, Willow says to Hunter “You can help by attracting people with your sick sky skills.” And Hunter takes it literally by saying “Hm, I don’t feel sick.” It may just be him not knowing how others his age talk but idk
I know, I mentioned it in my first video on this topic, but this video is focusing on season 3
YES
Ooof. New 20s is where most of the 2000s lingo is dropping
@@kalenkotalik also something interesting:
Maybe him also being on the spectrum explaines why he and gus work so well together:
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The last one could be mirroring others!
And i think the "acting like an npc" could just be his military training /hj
TLDR: I think it's more likely Hunter has PTSD because Tism and PTSD share similar traits, but he has more little things that lead towards him having PTSD.
Okay okay, I like this headcanon but I actually think Hunter has PTSD! It is considered a form of neurodivergence, and it shares many traits with autism. He flinches a lot, as if he's expected he's going to be hit. He is so used to it that he doesn't even try to defend himself. He disassociates a lot (which also makes him go non-verbal) and also he has trouble opening up to people. He does do a lot of stimming. The masking confidence thing can also be tied to PTSD in essentially the same way. They feel comfort in people not being able to see them. Eye contact is something people with PTSD don't do unless they're really comfortable with a person! He's made eye contact with Darius, Willow, Luz, and Gus before, people who he really cares about. People with PTSD struggle to connect with others, also as shown in the episode where he tried to make Willow and her team join the Emperor's Coven. He doesn't understand how bad things are, and he doesn't pick up on their unhappiness until a while afterward. Also, people with PTSD can come off as blunt, and sometimes even rude, when really they just think a bit differently because of traumas. The meltdowns and bursts of anger also tie into their frustrations with their state of self. Also, I think when he said idc too, I think her meant he didn't care to know who they were. People with autism and PTSD both share a lack of self-expression. I do agree that Gus, Luz, and Hunter are probably neurodivergent. I feel like Gus is more leaning toward Autism, and Luz almost definitely has ADHD. People with PTSD are jumpy and notice things very easily, especially when they are tied to their trauma, even if they don't know it. I wouldn't consider the times when Hunter is possessed as anything having to do with him because..well..he's possessed.. ANYWAY, you can do your own research and fact-check me if you'd like. Not saying Hunter isn't Autistic, it's really all headcanon anyway, and if you wanna HC him as Autistic, then knock yourself out! :)
@@ezzybean__ You get it!
Everyone is different-
I speculate he has both PTSD and autism because I have both and am pretty much Hunter in real life lol.
he also might be both
He for sure has PTSD from Belos and everything that happened in the Coven, and the masking confidence im almost certain had to do with his whole life, personality, and the only thing he ever was acknowledged for WAS being the Golde Guard and wearing that mask, however I do think its likely hes also on the spectrum! (Although everyone has a few ASD traits, which is why its autism SPECTRUM disorder)
Hunter sometimes sees the bigger picture and he sometimes sees the small details
the grand scope 🗿
@@LoG_9961 I don't get it
@@michalelkin-bronner13 cuz he sees small details and big details
@@LoG_9961 oh right
A foreman suits him. Or a carver. We all saw were he ended up
He also emphasizes by talking to himself when he tries to comfort gus in one of the last season 2 episodes
I know but this video is about season 3 but thanks for considering!
4:16 in that scene he wasn’t acting on impulse, he was possessed by Belos
I think the nudging thing(where Willow is cutting her hair) is more because it’s books about witch hunters and he probably doesn’t want Willow to know about it.
I think they mean where he’s rubbing his elbow :0
Overall it was a good video but I don't think the moments when Belos is possessing him count for much because his brain was being messed with. The hearing point especially.
Literally 😭 “ notices small details, like when Belos, who has possessed him, is actively possessing him and causing paranoia” like yea, that makes him possessed, not autistic
Yeah Im not sure about a few things in this video but I appreciate that it goes to every possibility just in case
Was about to comment this 💀
I wrote like a paragraph about this lol, honestly kinda problematic for them to use clips of a person being possessed as examples of autistic traits :/
@@lindakors4311 same, if your possessed it can’t count as much sense you can’t tell if it’s the person or if it’s the possession 😭💀
He makes eye contact when willow is mentioned autistic people make eye contact with people they are comfortable around or when that person/people is mentioned but also it's common for autistic people to make to much eye contact so yeah it makes sense why he makes eye contact when willow is mentioned
OOOHHH I WAS ALWAYS CONFUSED AS TO WHY I MADE MORE EYE CONTACT (I am diagnosed with autism)
@@sassberrysnap yeah that's why
It's a lot of pressure to maintain eye contact at times. Feels judgey at times.
So unrelated to this specific comment section and I am talking to the the youtuber but you said in a video that autistic people only stim when their excited but that's not true
@@michalelkin-bronner13 it's thinking mostly.
5:39, he's still using proper grammar (insistence on proper grammar usage could also be a trait, though)
"i think [those things wont happen]"
"i don't care to [know what those things are]"
Thank you! I'm a bit of a grammar nut, and I was looking for this comment. Neither of these instances are gramatically incorrect, they just leave off parts that could be implied. It's very common in spoken English and even in written English (as the "I think" could be separated by an em dash).
Seeing Hunter show the same autism traits as me fills me with joy, especially the vocal stimming/stimming in general and the special interests/info dumping 😭
I would like to point out that those traits can also stem from child abuse, and I think that this is the case here! That's actually why I thought I was autistic before I discussed it with my doctor. It still means that Hunter's neurodivergent tho 🐖
a lot of autistic people have ptsd too, which can make things a bit more complicated
@@marianmeletlidiscrap to double on this point, a lot of autistic people are abused/mistreated as children, whether it's via their parents or via bullying in school/in friend groups.
True! Autistic traits can come from build behaviors and brain connections too. All our weird brains are valid.
I have diagnosed ADHD, so this may be an ADHD thing, but the scenes of Hunter walking in the background not really responding to anything(The scenes in For The Future you have marked under "Acting like an "NPC"") remind me of when I zone out or get stuck in my head for extended periods of time. Especially considering that most of these scenes take place right after Flapjack's death, I don't really see this as an autistic trait. I'm sure I would probably act similarly, as it is an easy way to keep my mind off of things I don't want to be thinking about. Obviously, this is up to your interpretation, and I know little about autism, so I could be completely wrong about this!
You’re totally right and totally valid. Plus, ADHD and autism have a lot of traits in common, so this can be autistic coding too! /gen
Hyper and autistic differ in the ability to sit long times
@@LexithepoptartA lot of autistic people have ADHD as well
Or because it is a scene in which they focus more on the other characters and there they put him as a background character for a few seconds.
@@GusPorter-gi5ff Yes, this is true as well. Especially considering the amount of shots of NPC Luz and Amity there are in For The Future.
*Wait am I Autistic-*
My thoughts exactly when watching this lol
@@SPADE_THE_GLACEONsame??
My thoughts exactly- apparently I have “sensory issues” but I don’t know anymore bc I ain’t even know what sensory issues are
I'm wondering if I am now-
My thoughts exactly. I related to all but the hearing one, and i might even relate to that (my hearing is better than my other senses but ik people with better hearing than me - who are autistic, i should probably add - so idk)
Most of these can honestly be explained by the fact that Hunters was in a cult, his first real friend died, he’s a teenager, and he was alone most of his life
He's also traumatized, so yea
I have diagnosed trauma, and I noticed alot of these symptoms are very similar. I'm unsure if he is autistic or simply traumatized 😭 also, the first part of "acting like an NPC" was him being possessed by belos, so I don't think it necessarily counts if it's belos trying to stay undercover and act normal
He was essentially a child soldier, so my first guess was traumatized...
Alr folks. Hear me out. Why not both?
(I’m autistic, and likely traumatised (no diagnosis, so take it with a grain of salt) and it’s not a combination you see too much representation of? Like off the top my head, I couldn’t name an autistic character with trauma in any media I’ve seen. So, a win for representation - if it is both. )
A very fair point
@@diakritika both ? thats a option
I have both, so I can confirm
That it is indeed both
Just realized that the show runners hint that Gus knows about Hunter being a grimwalker under the guise of a Cosmic Frontier theory. 1:04 then for Halloween Gus is Cpt. Avery and Hunter of O'Bailey
It was obvious
Being autistic myself this just makes me love hunter even more the fact that the creators put in all these small details is what makes it such an anazing show! Love you hunter and the owl house!
as an autistic person myself, all this is VERY accurate to me, i make a lot of hand gestures, obsessed with nerdy things, and more, i would love for dana terrance to reveal hunter is autistic, since she already revealed he’s bisexual
yes it is revealed that he is bi but many people are going to yell at her for forced lgbtq rep
holy shit he REALLY just like me fr. i'm bi and i'm 90% sure i'm autistic
Being a person with Autism myself, Hunter is a relatable character.
When he “flaps” is hands I think he only shows the motion a wolf makes with their paws, like you can do when you imitate a animal and say “rawr”
I have a sister with autism, and seeing a video point out autistic traits in one of my favorite characters of TOH has helped me understand a bit more about her and bond with her! Thanks (also, I know I’m late but HAPPY AUTISM ACCEPTANCE MOUNTH!!)
6:21
Us weirdos got to stick together
Alright, i can relate to a lot of this and a lot of hunter's character as a whole because sci-fi and wolves was literally me as a teen
-Rubbing skin as stimming: I rub my thumb and middle finger together a lot, i also find typing and games that focus a lot on quick hand reflexes to be a good way to maintain my hyperactivity
-The leg shake not so much, but i've done it once or twice.
-Vocal stimming: Whenever i'm excited about stuff, i always quietly scream "Yesss"
-Pacing: Totally. I love just getting out of my chair to just walk in circles around my room.
-Hand flapping: When my excited stimming isnt vocal, i usually like to shake my fists a lot.
-"Cringy" special interests: I always get so over excited whenever new star wars content drops, my excitement when they came out carried my opinion on the sequels. They aren't Attack of the Clones or Revenge of the Sith, but they're good.
-Emphasizing by talking about myself: Yeah, totally. It's one thing i'm always like "Why the hell do i do this and why do i always forget i do this minutes after i'm thinking about this?"
-Masking confidence: This is why i'm always online and will never do a face reveal.
-Unmasking: Totally, i have to always keep myself entertained in some way or i'm left with my anxiety-filled brain
-Scripting: I said Obi-Wan's signature line "Hello there" in the past ONCE. and now i say it EVERY TIME I GREET A STAR WARS FAN.
-Avoiding Eye Contact: whenever i cried i always would put my eyes on my knees to hide my face
-Social Cues and Norms: Oh my god i still cannot adapt to society, i sit in the weirdest positions, i do make a few other mess-ups but not sitting in the way everyone else does is the one that i always am reminded of when explaining why a character is autistic and they get to the social norms part
-Acting without second thought: I always trust my gut before trusting my brain.
-Going nonverbal: Cant relate that much, for me it's honestly the opposite when i'm doing something stressful
-Meltdowns: I would go into a gamer rage whenever i was at my limit
-Shutdowns: Whenever i'm super stressed and dont want anything to escalate further i just try to seperate myself from everyone else and focus on me
-Struggling to express emotion: Yeah, i used to never talk to my family about shit because i couldnt even process anything when i needed it.
-Small details and hearing senses: I swear man, everytime my old-ass fan makes a noise i dont recognize, i flinch hearing it and immediatly think "Oh my god it's gonna fall," and also whenever i'm watching gameplay and the youtuber does something and talks about it, i'm just like "You dingus that's not what that does, that's not how that works, check the wiki next time."
-Acting like an NPC: totally. Now, enough about myself, traveller. We shall focus on you, as the customer is right. Do you have an interest in my wares?
-You also forgot struggles with not being good enough, it could be just a normal thing, but it's another common thing i find both myself and Hunter struggling with.
2:14 notice how he immediately rejects any change of plans. Even though he’s very nervous and might benefit from having extra support.
7:32 I don't think this counts simce he's currently being possessed, he never called Flap "my Palisman" until now
Palisman
@@polishalastor142 yeah, that
@@polishalastor142 I swear I heard talisman
I’m neurotypical, but I found that I do a lot of these things myself. It was super educational, and I hope I can better understand my neurodivergent friends!
I’ve never been diagnosed with autism by a doctor but i fit with pretty much all of the signs of it. I’ve pretty much ignored it for most of my life since i thought it was normal. I read an article about it and apparently boys get diagnosed more than girls because their signs are more pronounced, while girl’s signs can go more unnoticed. I’m thinking that’s probably why i never really thought to talk to anyone about it, since i thought it was just normal kid behavior, but I’m realizing now that i might have been wrong. Hunter was always my favorite character of the owl house since he acted a lot like me but didn’t know that they were autism signs until now. So i learned something interesting today!
I’m glad I could help!
My parents thought my sister might’ve been autistic but they never ended up taking her to get tested. Ive noticed for a while now i had the signs i knew about but didn’t really know all the signs until now. I kind of want to say something to my parents but i don’t think they would believe me. I love my parents and think they’re great but I believe parents think that autism is just not being able to function and having to have a person help them during school and all that. Yes, that may be the most prominent of the autism spectrum but there’s still a bunch of people out there with high-functioning autism who may not even know that they have it. Just realized I’m rambling, but it feels nice to vent about it! :)
@@GraceyMace if your parents don’t want to get you screened for something you may have then that’s a fucked up parent. My parents are like that so I lack relationships with them but I hope you either find yourself happy being self-diagnosed or your parents take you to get screened :)
One of my stims is that when i get excited and I’m around a person i like, i drum my hands on them, i don’t do it hard but i do it to my sister a lot and one day while we both had friends over doing a film project for school, so i was drumming on her like i usually do since i was excited (i was using lollipops for some reason) and she kept calling me the c word. It kinda irritated me and i may have smacked her a little bit too hard on the head, then she went on and made this huge scene in front of everyone crying and saying how I’m such a horrible sister because i always hit her! I don’t even hit her i just drum my hands on her back or shoulders when i get happy or excited, i do that with all my friends! She ended up getting me screamed at by my dad while i was just trying not to cry in front of them, went outside for a bit trying to calm down so we could finish filming but when i came back in, my mom asked me if i was okay. I almost burst into tears right as soon as i started talking, told them i needed a break, i got up and practically ran to my room, shut my door and into my dog’s fur for a while before my mom came into my room to talk with me telling me that we needed to film and that i won’t have to see her after we finish filming. This was a few weeks ago but I’m still pretty upset about it. She embarrassed me in front of everyone and I’m assuming when she went back to her room with her friend she was talking shit about me. I’ve never been so humiliated than in that moment and i still try to avoid her as much as possible so she doesn’t get me into trouble again. She does this shit all the time! She mostly does it to my parents, not in front of people but she makes a huge scene out of nothing then starts crying and runs off to her room and we just sit there like ‘wtf’. My sister’s fine when she’s not doing that shit but goddamn does she piss you off when she does. She is gonna be one hell of a Karen when she’s an adult! Kinda turned this into a rant but that’s the story of how i got screamed because i was stimming and my sister irritated me so i hit her a bit harder (keep in mind that it wasn’t that hard, imagine knocking on door level)
I know that I am autistic because it runs in the family and a lot of traits I have I see reflected in my siblings. I am just waiting to get an official diagnosis.
Pretty interesting. We can't be quite sure though because for each and every one of these behaviours you can trace it back to his life at the castle, which could also mean they're just trauma responses. Nonetheless, such is the beauty of leaving things to interpretation, and it's wonderful to see people relate to him on such a personal level
I like how everyone see the traits and may even know that he doesn't act like a "normal" person but they don't question it or don't judge he for it. I also like fact that they spent so much time with him that they sometimes know how to help without even realizing it.
This video made me cry so fucking much, at 0:15 he was pacing which is a stim I do a lot and I feel like nobody talks about that stim so it just made me feel like I’m not alone
0:08 did you really need to call me out bruh I do that when I’m nervous or when my leg doesn’t stop jumping
haha
Great! I'm going to go cry in the corner and question if I'm autistic or not. (I'm not self diagnosing I'm just really confused and don't know how to process what I just learned. ( when I'm stressed I'll make little dragon noises in response cuz it's easier for me. Also I spent an hour trying firgure out how to word this.) sorry it so long. ;-;
I think a lot Hunter acting like an “NPC” is also him experiencing periods of dissociation. Autistic people usually end up on autopilot while dissociating because their bodies still feel the urge to stim/mask/play along until the can get out of overstimulating environments.
4:19 While I absolutely have been convinced that Hunter is on the Spectrum, I don't think this scene in particular is related. In fact, it very clearly isn't. This outburst isn't an impulse, it's Belos' own anger starting to seep in.
But yeah, just about everything else seems very familiar.
GAAAHHHH WAIT WHAT?!?!!! MY FAV CHARACTER JUST LIKE MEEEEEEE
1:38 yep, as an autistic individual, I can confirm that the only way I can show I can relate is by talking about something similar that I’ve been through or done
Hehe, I lov the sad but bad boi even more now
This is super cool!! As someone who’s neurotypical but has an autistic sibling, this is honestly pretty informative and explains to me some stuff about my sibling and one of my favorite characters!! I love this! Happy Autism Acceptance Month!
3:52
Yeah. When they ask us "why?" All we got is "because I chose to" is all we got
7:36 just a fyi, autistic peoples brains are not underdeveloped. thats not why its a disability. there is some tissue missing in certain parts according to some studies i guess?? autistic brains actually tend to grow much faster as kids than neurotypical ppl, but they do start shrinking earlier (mid twenties). the reason its a disability is because our brains work entirely different from neurotypicals which makes it hard to function in a world not built for us. as well as the sensory issues, shutdowns, meltdowns, and autistic burnout.
Oh God. Do we get stupider? Early 30s here
@@cunningsmile4166 it happens to everyone even neurotypicals, but its just little early for us. neurotypical brains start shrinking in their 30s-40s. its not anything to worry too much about; the change isnt that drastic
@@_eIIiotwe don't get A Team Murdock nurs typically do we?
@@cunningsmile4166 idk what that is sorry 😭
Thank you for saying this, as an autistic person I was confused and kind of sad about the implications of what was said in that part of the video being true, and I’m glad that someone called it out because misinformation is bad and being overly simplistic in describing something serious is also not great. ♥︎
I just realized I forgot to add that Hunter shows to have poor proprioception (fine motoring skills) when he tried to cut is hair in the Thanks to Them montage and when he impaled his finger on the sewing machine also in Thanks to Them!
does he show any more autistic traits in season 3 ?
@@michalelkin-bronner7958 I’m not sure, if I find anymore I will let you know!
@@kalenkotalik thanks
As an autistic myself i relate to hunter a lot but I wouldn't call a special interest cringe
Well.... I'm also autistic and some of my interests are considered cringe.... But f#ck what others say it's cringe to them but not to us our interests are special to us and we shouldn't let others dictate that we shouldn't like something that they don't
Ive always founded hunter relatable and now you're scaring me with these facts 😰
0:39 “and I love them” same bro same
The shutdown one really got to me. I have autism and around a month ago my girlfriend was put in a mental hospital after she was caught setting up her su!cid3 plan. I couldn't talk to her, no one would tell me what was going on, i felt helpless and like i had failed her. I was stuck in shutdown for 4 weeks. She's out now, but I still can't talk to her because her parents took her phone.
very sorry to hear. Hope it gets better for both of you.
If you know where she lives, try sending her a letter !
I hope you can talk to her soon
0:28, no, he was just doing like a claw wolf thing
yeah lol but also he does do it other times too
As an autistic, I can confirm hunter is autistic and I have a big fat crush on him
SAME!!!
Some of these scenes feel a bit forced into the idea of Hunter having autism. I actually like the idea of him having PTSD. People who have PTSD can have alike symptoms to that of autism and other neurodivergent things whether they had it before or after the traumatic experience. I might have autism or ADHD or both based on the things I did as a toddler/child, but it's hard to tell because I went through some traumatizing stuff and have been diagnosed with PTSD which has similar symptoms. Honestly, it could go both ways, but I like the PTSD idea more. We also have to consider that he's from another dimension and probably wasn't allowed to do kid stuff. Some people who have gone through childhood trauma can regress when they are older and have child-like traits. I certainly went through that and so did my siblings and mom(my mom was groomed by my dad as a teen). This is just my couple cents though.
Watch my neurodivergent analysis for more info about this
@@kalenkotalik yeah but even if he has trauma and is islated and there traits that cant be explained that those traits might be able to explained by him being in another world mabye not all but most
He could be both. I have PTSD and autism, and people with both aren't given that much rep.
I love your autistic hunter videos (especially as a self-dx autistic with Hunter as a special interest)! I was so excited to see that you’d made another one ❤❤
I’m glad there’s someone on here who’s self diagnosed, that’s how I know I’m not the only one!
Cool! I have a special interest in the owl house and I love alador and Hunter. What is your favourite Hunter moment/episode? I really like the ones from thanks to them like this one
@@kalenkotalik this is just my opinion, but you should probably get a formal diagnosis before saying you’re autistic.
@@DespicableDave31agree, it’s always good to get a reliable diagnosis from a professional
You should actually get tested.. self diagnosis is not good.
As someone with autism who relates to hunter in specific things like personality, he is and will forever be my biggest comfort character
Most of this seems pretty accurate, but I would say that some of it is belos possessing hunter
I agree with you on the hand flapping one, I'm pretty sure he was just imitating a wolf to show what he knew about them lmao
The hand flapping was him very clearly impersonating the wolves he’s exploiting on his shirt
The thing is, wolves don't even do that, I think it's tigers and cheetahs that do that, idk about wolves
@@kalenkotalik They don’t do that but when you’re impersonating or describing something that’s snarling or looking angry/fierce usually that’s the go to motion. Also to add on Hunter has never come across a wolf in his life so his depiction could be very different than one who knows a lot about wolves
@@jadesimmons2080 the youtuber doesnt think he is flapping either
Gonna be honest, this isn't autism. This is the result of trauma from being in Belos's cult and the sheer lack of connections with people his age pre "Any Sport In A Storm". Not to mention most of these examples are either normal behavior or hunter being nervous/passionate.
watch my neurodivergence analysis to learn more about this
@@kalenkotalik no? why would i watch another one of ur videos if i think you're wrong lmao
@@donotpercieveme because it gives evidence of hunter being autistic
@@donotpercieveme well that's rude
As an autistic person, I relate to almost every single one of these! I can't believe I didn't pick up on the fact that he was autistic before!
even if he isn't confirmed to be autistic, i do think the choices dana made were very intentional. like you said, he literally has to "mask" and it isn't until the mask comes off that he's able to find out who he truly is, make connections, and show love for his special interests. great video! my partner is autistic and they really love and relate to hunter, i'm so glad that's a shared experience for autistic persons in the fandom!
I feel like we are assigning natural traits as being autistic.
Because everyone relates to one or more or all of these traits and aren't autistic
That’s what I thought, especially since loads of these were taken when Hunter was in a particular mood (excited or sad especially) so I don’t think it’s a good example
@@Drizzle- yeah like, "being excited about specific topics" like come on haha we get excited over what we like haha that's being human
@@nativeoutdoors1780 Yeah because a neurotypical person like you wouldn't understand just how obsessed we get over things we like to the point we obesses over one thing for a week or month and nonstop talk about it or partake in any sort of activity relating to the topic.
@@josephoda I mean, that's the thing though, hunter doesn't seem to get obsessed to that level. Or like for exemple, what's presented as a meltdown and a shutdown in that video are really tame compared to the actual thing. A shutdown is so much more than sitting down sad for 5seconds.
And also a lot of the things that are actually atypical in that video are things that are more consistennt with trauma responses and considering hunter's past that's probably what I'd look for first rather than autism.
Having characters you can relate to is fine, but I don't think it's helping us if we use things that don't represent autistic experiences very well and present them as autistic traits, it kinda undermines the experience.
I relate so much to Hunter a lot, his character development grew pretty good, from chaotic neutral to good, being autistic myself, I love Hunter.
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Hearing is utter PAIN. The sensitivity is not what its cracked up to be.
4:03 I don't think this scene counts as an autism trait, this specific impulsivity came from belos and not him. Hunter would never
Actually none of the scenes involving belos possession counts, he's possessed
Ok I'm autistic and this video rattles me the wrong way. Not just the traits presented but also the way they're presented. Especially applying them to hunter who has evidently gone through child abuse and be given a position of power as a kid still which is *not* healthy. He hasn't been socialized normally and given the chance to be a kid and mature so interpreting trauma as autism is a big problem in my opinion. Especially since the abuse he received wasn't directed towards things that are autistic traits.
Now I don't mind people having their headcannons (though if you aren't autistic yourself (I don't know) it's kinda cringe tbh) and I'm not even opposed to the headcannon of hunter as autistic, but that's really not the way to do it imo.
That was the TL;DR now I'm going to go through the video and explaining where something is either misrepresented, the explanation given isn't accurate or said in a way that's in poor taste or when the explanation is right but the behaviour shown doesn't really coincide.
1) Stimming. "Maintaining hyperactivity" isn't a thing. I think you're thinking of stimming against beinng understimulated but that's not "hyperactivity". Also stimming is used a way to ground yourself too (just added detail).
For the record stimming is a universal behaviour, it's just more prominent and common with autistic people.
That's probably the one thing that was the least of a stretch (except the rawr is clearly not a stim he's miming a wolf to darius and he does that while showing his shirt, that could be a stim if he did that in other instances that have nothing to do with wolves but here it's clearly not).
2) SI : Maybe don't call special interest cringe. Plus you can't count expressing things in "childish" ways as an autistic trait when you're talking about a kid lmao.
Other than that sure, him being a bit of a nerd isn't inconsistent with autism. Though he also doesn't feel like, extra nerdy? I mean stuff like talking about cosmic frontiers outside of conversations about cosmic frontiers relating things to a special interest that other people might not see the link to. Not that all autistic people do that, but that'd be a more blatant autistic way to have a hobby. But yeah this one isn't too bad either. It's mostly saying SI are cringe that annoyed me.
3) Empathizing by talking about himself : Ok that one I find annoying cause it's not "struggling to relate to other people's problem if I can't relate them to myself". It's just a different way to show support where instead on focusing on emotional support it's a focus on making the person feel like they're understood.
Also and more importantly he does NOT do that in those two scenes.
In the first scene he's just trying to defuse the situation and he realizes how he's in a similar situation and also has anxiety about it. It's not him giving support by relating with things he has experience with, it's him trying and failing to give support at all.
In the second scene he's not relating things to himself in that way either, he talks about himself because willow thought she did something wrong towards hunter and he makes sure she knows she didn't, that has to necessarily involve talking about himself but he's not relating willow's experience to his own. (this one is even more clear cut not that at all than the first).
4) "Masking confidence" : The reason autistic people like to conceal their face is typically either to avoid eye contact or because it's more comfortable to have less to worry about when you don't have to deal with your facial expressions and how they're perceived.
That's really not the reason hunter is more confident here, it's just that it allows him to assume the persona he was assuming as the golden guard, the version of him that felt like he was in control, that had power and was respected. Arguably you could relate that to the social concept of masking and simulating personas is one way to do that (it's easier to be confident when you're talking as a character than as yourself), but just wearing a mask isn't an autistic trait and in this case it's so deeply rooted in his trauma that there is no way it's fine to count it.
5) Unmasking : Again this is more related to who he is as the golden guard here and how he's accepting being hunter. Also he isn't "unmasking" in the sense of autistic unmasking, like, he's literally taking off an accessory but unamsking is about stopping to "mask" your autistic trait (which has nothing to do with physical masks it's a metaphor), and like, he isn't doing that, he isn't displaying more autistic traits during or after that scene.
6) Scripting : Yeah same as n°4 though it definitely shows he needs to play the "role" of the golden guard because that's not who he is as a person, but again I see this more as a kid being thrown in the role of an adult, He isn't playing the golden guard as a way to socialize with people which is what masking is about. Like at best all those points about masking could be seen as an allegory of autistic masking but they're not it themselves.
7) Avoiding eye contact : Ok that one is really really bad.
First he isn't even avoiding eye contact here, he's just in his own head. But even if he did avoiding eye contact when in a stressful social situation isn't unusual at all for allistic people. It's an autistic trait when you do that by default, even when talking to someone directly in a face to face conversation setting. This one is even worse cause you show hunter looking directly at luz right after.
8) Social cues :
In the first scene he doesn't seem unaware that luz is having a difficult moment, the facial expression change is more that it sinks in what she's upset about exactly and that it's pretty bad.
The kneeling scene is actually the opposite of not understanding social cues. It's just culture clash but he's respecting social norms he's just been in an environnement where it was normal to do that.
9) Impulsivity : No. First of all impulsivity is an ADHD trait, not an autistic trait. They're very often commorbid that's true (I'm both), but it's not an autistic trait.
Second he isn't shown to be impulsive in any of those scenes. I guess the first kinda counts but eager kid raising hand thinking they have the answer and realizing they struggle to formulate it is like, very universal especially when learning new language. Though I can grant that one I guess.
Touching the weird goop is arguably not smart but I wouldn't call that impulsive he's just examining what the weird goop is.
But the really bad one is showing a scene where he is literally *possessed* by belos and it's explicitly not his normal behaviour.
10) Going non verbal : Hunter literally speaks in the scenes you're showing. Like... not even sure what to say. (not the last one but he's got a vine over his mouth the moments he trie to lmao)
11) Meltdown : Ok that one is another REALLY bad one. That's not a meltdown, like at all, like it's such a mild reaction to the immense amount of stress he's under.
Also everyone can have meltdown. What makes autistic meltdown uniques is the way we regulate stress. We take longer than neurotypical to go back to a baseline level of stress which means we can have a lot of accumulated stress even long after stressors aren't affecting us anymore which can make us react to something in a way that seems disproportionate but that's because we're still holding the accumulated stress so the small thing that triggers a meltdown is more like the last drop in the bucket that people don't realize is still full. (so actually no small changes are typically not enough at all to avoid a meltdown, and getting distracted from an impending meltdown isn't enough, what's needed is some actual rest when overwhelmed)
12) Shutdown : Again that's NOT a shutdown. A shutdown looks a lot closer than what gus did with the illusion coven head (I mean, it's the same general vibe, without the magic obviously) where you're completely unable to process the rest of the world because it's just too much so you close yourself as much as possible.
Like, the only thing reminiscent of a shutdown here is hunter's position but that's like a typical "sad" position. A shutdown is so *much* more intense than that. It's something that's really hard to snap out of. (also for additionnal information : it's not really meaningfully different from a meltdown, in that they're both different reaction to the same situation of accumulated stress, a meltdown is just when you deal with it by externalizing it and letting it all out and a shutdown is when you deal with it by trying to cut yourself from the world and stress as much as you can until your stress level is lowered).
Please don't call that a shutdown cause it's not and that trivializes the experience to pretend that it is.
13) Misuses of grammar : Uh... misusing grammar is not an autistic trait, like, not sure where you got that from. But also he isn't misusing grammar in that scene... like what?
14) Struggling to express emotions : I mean yeah but that's also and actually most and foremost a *trauma* thing (and also toxic masculinity thing but that's beside the point =p).
But honestly... like... hunter isn't really struggling to express emotions here? Like, it's a pretty healthy way to express himself considering the situation.
15) Gravitation towards one another : No, no that one's good =p use weirdos have to stick together.
16) Bad at lying : That one's fine too. I also want to add that for some (not all but me yes that's why I bring it up =p) autistic people, lying can be like, actually physically difficult, like not even just lying poorly, just the act of lying at all even when it'd be the best thing to do. So if you know an autistic person who can't lie at all please don't ask them to, don't take advantage of it and don't get upset if they answer a question truthfully when you wanted them to lie. Thank you ^^
17) Noticing details/good sense of hearing : So, yes and no. It's really just an attention thing, the sense of hearing of autistic people isn't meaningfully different but we don't tune out a lot of background information, which can lead to noticing more details but can be overwhelming. It also leads to being able to notice some things that make it look like we have super hearing, for exemple hearing electricity humming, but that's not that we hear better that's because it's the type of sound allistic brains typically naturally tune out completely.
That explanation aside though... that's not what happens in that scene? like, at all? like, he's literally possessed and hallucinating. in the first few scenes you show and then he's being paranoid and hypervigilant in the others. That's very different.
18) Acting like an NPC : What? the hell did you say? That's like, way offensive. Like no. No. Everything about this is wrong. First that's just not a thing and it's judgemental.
Then autistic brains are NOT underdeveloped, that's not a thing. It's a neurodevelopemental disability because it affects the way brain develops yes, but that doesn't mean autistic people are less developped, our brain develops *differently* that's not the same thing.
Also wtf this is again a scene where it's literrally belos controling hunter. And the scenes after are just him walking or pacing, just... no don't call people NPC wtf.
19) Somehow the last one is actually the best one, since being out of synch with people can happen often when you have difficulty with social cues. But again like... he's a kid who didn't have a childhood, him being socially stunted doesn't make him autistic.
There, done, some of those really upset me tbh, like don't go "happy autism acceptance month" after calling autistic people NPC's. yikes.
Being implusive is adhd trait but it can also be a autistic trait and what if the youtber doesn't even read it ?
@@michalelkin-bronner13 I mean, autistic people can be impulsive but it's not an autistic trait. There are autistic trait that makes it seems like it's impulsivity, like not having a filter in social interaction, oversharing etc makes it feel like the person doesn't think before talking but the cause isn't impulsivity it's just difficulty recognizing something isn't appropriate or safe to say in a situation.
And the high amount of ADHD/ASD co-morbidity probably plays a role in that perception too.
And yeah I don't care if they read it, some amount of people will read it and hopefully it'll help with nuancing the video. I'm just trying to inform people if possible but also just kinda needed to let it out cause the video annoyed me.
@@Laezar1 he shows autistic traits that trauma can't explain
@@Laezar1 also he went nonverbal but not completely
Respectfully, i think Hunter being able to notice small sounds is because of trauma… and the parts where he’s possessed are a bit of a stretch. i didnt really pick up on the rest of these though, so pretty cool ^v^
Literally everyone does all of these things 😭 they are normal human traits jfc
Neurotypicals can display autistic traits as well, just not as much as those who are autistic.
5:47 ik its not really that deep but it bugged me when you said that this was a misuse of grammar, he didn't say "and i dont care too" he said "and i dont care to" as in, he doesnt care to find out what bananas are
But it’s not a common method of speech, so it’s no surprise that someone would think of it as misuse of grammar
3:44 this is interesting because the first episode we actually see Hunter interact with Luz he says "you don't really tend think things through, do you?"
yeah why call someone out for being implusive when so are you
@@michalelkin-bronner7958 easier to see things in others than to see them in yourself sometimes haha
To me that last one looked like not understanding social cues. He looked confused and embarrassed when he didn’t understand what everyone else was doing and he acted like he understood what was going on
I relate a bunch to Hunter. He has so many traits I do and I love seeing him on screen, not portrayed as comic relief for his autism, not portrayed as stupid when he doesn’t understand things and being shown very positively. He is really good representation. Here’s one I’d like to add: in the flyer derby episode Willow says “You can attract new recruits with your sick flying skills” and he says “I don’t feel sick.”
i strongly relate to two of those traits, noticing small details and impulsivity
Hey, just wanted to say this video is so wonderful! It was really helpful to see the misuse of grammar part included, didn't fully realize that was common with autism, and it helped me notice it in myself! It's so nice to see autistic representation, it does alot of good, so thank you for putting this video together, it was very lovely and helpful to watch :)
Thanks, this means so much to me❤❤❤
I love the fact that Hunter being O'Bailey and Gus being Avery is awesome hinting at the fact that Gus was starting to figure out Hunter was a grimwalker before anyone else
Omg!! I just realized Hunter's wearing crocs!!😊😊❤❤
As for talking about ourselves in relation to others' struggles, a lot of neurotypical people mistakenly see this as us being self-centered. However, given how often autistic people are misunderstood, and how often neurotypicals try to act like they can understand what we're dealing with when they really don't, we see the discussion of our own similar problems as a way of reassuring the other person that we do understand and can relate to what they're going through, and that we're not just giving them ignorant and empty platitudes that don't apply to the situation at hand.
1:55 he was talking about that because she show him a picture of something that kinda hurt him, when she noticed, she felt bad of making things wrong, that why he says all of that in that scene, he wasn’t mad at them, he just didn’t knew how to express himself.
That’s what I mean, your point is?
I was diagnosed not that long ago all these descriptions match a lot alike with me and what I do
So thanks for this it really helps paint a picture for me
I have autism and I relate to this exactly. Hunter being hyper fixated on wolves is the same for me too. It’s crazy!!💜🐺
As someone who is autistic, i had a feeling that hunter might be autistic. I’m only just realizing now that he acts just like me lol. I love this man!!
So are You telling me a child who have been basically all of it's live serving and training for someone finally experiences fun and being with Friends is autistic?
Well that's because he has traits only austim can explain
@@michalelkin-bronner13 like?
@A J.E. wacth the neruodivergence in the owl house video or read a post it's about traits that people think are due to his trauma but are actually due to austim you can already guess what does traits but not why there austim exculsive traits
As someone with Autism myself I’m gonna see how much I can relate to this
Even though I’m not interested in owl house
This makes this autistic happy
3:11 it took me a long time before I was finally able to make eye contact!
Also I just realised how right you are about Hunter having Autism, there are so many similarities between me and Hunter
All i see is a kid who grew up sheltered and traumatized.
I know what you mean
He shows autistic traits that can't be explained by cptsd
7:00 he doesn't hear that because of his good hearing he hears that because belos has already possessed him and can alter his mind
I just wanted an excuse to put that in there
2:55 Not Hunter wearing crocs✨🐊
He’s just a siwwy wittle guy, I love him so much
he's 16, not a siwwy wittle guy, how would you feel if someone called you that?
@@kalenkotalik It’s clearly not meant as an offense… some of us are much older and see our kid selves in those characters, it doesn’t mean people will try to demean all 16 y/o people by baby talking about them
It’s normal to be defensive over a fave, but we’re still the same fandom, people will express endearment in their own ways and that’s perfectly valid
It was a joke dude 💀 he's not even real he can't take offense to that 😭
@@kalenkotalikit’s not that deep. and they didn’t mean it in a bad way…
@@kawaiisnail0864fr bro
The issue is that a lot of these are common in certain personality types and even the different ticks manifest in non autistics people quite often.
Of course, I cant deny I match many of them myself lol XD.
Another important thing is that autism as a syndrome is not neccsarily diagnosable by the prescence of anyone specific trait as some syndrome are.
I am convinced he’s autistic like me, Happy autism acceptance!
The last one is "delayed reaction" which is common in autism where it takes a little longer for a person to process what is happening to react accordingly
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When you get older, it feels extremely embarrassing at times. Why? You cant fit in with regular adults and how they think.
Unless you feel like sharing, it feels like people are using he jaws of life to pry open your thoughts; when you feel like giving a quick response and moving on.
Emotions? Anger. Utter joy. Sorrow. Thats stuff that comes out even when we try to hold it in. Internalizing negativity can happen, when you have to put up with vexations non stop.
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It varies. I can lie good at times. But often my truths are presumed likes. I say screw it and give up
hunter being a traumatized kid for 8 minutes:
I love the representation we’ve been getting in media lately. So many great characters who I love 💕
You know is just a headcanon right? i have many oof this traits and im pretty sure im not autistic
5:22 he literally tried to summon Flapjack 😭
i have a few things to say about this. hunter did avoid eye contact in those few scenes, but that was more to add to the emotion of the scene. in all the other scenes you showed, he is perfectly capable of holding a normal amount of eye contact. and with being nonverbal, it’s impossible for a nonverbal person to just talk minutes after they went nonverbal. if he were nonverbal in those moments, it would have lasted much longer. and the scene where willow was talking to him and he went “nonverbal” you described going nonverbal as a response to stress, but how would willow talking to him make him stressed? and a special interest is completely different from an obsession. a special interest consumes your whole day and it’s all you can think about. and that term is exclusively used for autistic people. on the other hand, an obsession is just being a really big fan of something. ppl with special interests prefer to ONLY talk about that. they bring it up all the time, and infodump at random/inappropriate moments. these are just the external symptoms of autism, tho. but hunter doesn’t seem to match up with the symptoms you described and it doesn’t seem like you have a good idea of what autism actually is, so please do your research (im not trying to be mean, because all these symptoms are more closely related to his trauma and i think it’s more likely that he has ptsd than autism.)
also the fact that you described a special interest as “nerdy/childish” really shows how little you know about ASD. A special interest can be literally anything; a color, a medical condition, a certain type of clothing, literally anything you can think of has the possibility to be a special interest. it’s more shown in the media that autistic people have special interests in like video games, trains, animals, etc., but while those seem childish to some, please do not label someone’s special interest as childish.
@@salem2130 I never said that his special interests was childish just that others in the show of people who hate hunter may find it childish
@@salem2130 also, a special interest is something that a person takes pride in with their personalities, they may dress up as someone or something related to the interests, or overshare information, it doesn’t have to be something that they focus on 24/7 bc a lot of autistic people and especially adults can’t focus on it all day bc of school or work
When you realise you might have autism thanks to a cinnamon roll on a cartoon
Me trying to understand why now autism is used as a synonymous of adquired shyness, social awkwardness, lack of affection issues and PTSD.
I Have Autism too and it can be hard for me to make friends and socialize with the outside world and it can be a hard thing but this video is actually really good for us autistic people to see and understand and feel where we are coming from. I like that video and keep the work up 💖👍
Thanks, this means a lot!❤