Remove the £billions of government money we subsidise the oil industry and use it to fund home batteries for low income households so they are more able to eat and heat.
@@andrewlarner6190 Don't forget the £13 billion in foreign aid we give every year plus the £11.8 billion in foreign aid for global warming, Ed Milliband has given away. Don't forget it was Ed who metaphorically stabbed his brother Dave in the back to become party leader a few years ago. Can we trust a guy like that with £11.8 billion.
Most modern Lithium batteries are very safe but if you are that concerned there are other battery chemistries around. The only reason we use Lithium in car batteries, mobile phone batteries etc is because it is a very light metal giving great power per kg we don't need light metals in static batteries, so battery mass is not an issue@@brendanpells912
I’m an older man who suffers with Asthma. I often have to sit down and wait until my chest stops being bad!! I went electric because I believe that I can help.
@@Madonsteamrailways you could also try reducing weight , increasing exercise levels, fasting 16 hours a day and reducing the amount of sugar in your diet. If you’ve got a gas boiler or worse a wood burner , then the emission’s from these is worse than the emission’s from your old car. The average gas boiler emmits 215 g of Co2 per kWh wood burner’s are in excess of 500g of Co2 per kWh
@@tobycolin6271 I’m already a disabled guy and have to eat carefully anyway. Fasting for 16 hours a day would, with the amount of exercise I do most days, be a lethal combination!!
@@Madonsteamrailways type 1 diabetic commute to and from work 15 miles each way. Fasting 16:8 which is all you need is to push breakfast back until 11.00 if you stop eating at 1900 the previous day. The human race has lived like this perfectly happily since religion was invented and probably a bit before. But the narrative written by food manufacturers and our governments is to eat low cost cereal based and sugar based products.
Probably just me and how my mind works, but the new logo reminded me of the old episode of Only Fool's & Horses where Del was saying how he wanted the company initials in big neon lights over the building and Rodney (aka Dave) said it would sell out: "T.I.T" 😉 ("Trotters Independent Traders" for any non UK viewers).
Can guarantee that will start to bring in new tax etc as revenue from ICE drops. Used to have free VED for the sub 99 per measure which got dropped as lots of people bought low emission cars and VED take dropped and had to recover. As less fuel usage with migration to EV and loss of fuel duty then they will want to recover that somewhere.
When we transition, why must we be leaders? No ice cars by 2030 or is it 2035 or is it 2030. Cannot it be our leaders want to go to conferences and be the first the biggest etc.Have a seat at the top table.. What the UK does makes no practical difference. The significant players are China, India, Indonesia, Brasil etc and the good old USA. Be realistic about the difference the UK makes - virtually nil.
There will still be plenty of ICE cars after 2030. They just won't be new ones... Anyone who has an ICE car after 2030 can continue to use it as long as it remains roadworthy and serviceable.... It's my belief though, that emissions regulations for older ICE cars may be tightened up in the years ahead..
Even if you don’t think the UK efforts will make any appreciable difference to the global climate crisis - isn’t a self reliance on transportation fuel ( weaning off oil to self generated electricity and homes to electric rather than massive gas imports ) and a reduction in harmful air pollutants in our cities a good thing?
As one of “those scientists”, now retired, I am sorry to say that the much talked about +1.5 Celsius global warming threshold is out of humanity’s reach without trillions of dollars of investment year on year in Carbon Capture and Storage. What this means in reality is that anyone under retirement age faces some enormous challenges over the coming decades - increasingly destructive weather, food insecurity and mass migration. Not a pleasant prospect.
Enough fear and nonsense, have you seen Paul Burgess's channel ? The biggest thing is low quality waste and polution... CO2 is misdirection as is net zero...
Actually you forgot to mention the hysteresis. People react to what they experience. By the time things have got so bad that the clammer for action is deafening then they will have to be told "Well it is going to continue to get worse for about fifty years after world wide net zero and then recover over the next couple of thousand". In reality the 2000 number is probably a massive underestimate.
@@steveknight878and how do you calculate the co2 tax on an EV, EVs are using electric partly generated b coal and gas, or are we just interested in what comes out
The fairest way is to charge us all the same as it used to be, that was until people started moaning about parents picking up their children from school in large 4x4 cars then it got turned into an environmental tax.
It should only be EV who 'pay per mile' because ICE drivers already pay per mile with VAT and fuel duty on every litre, and VED. EV owners think they can continue to use cheap domestic electricity to power their car, and avoid public chargers, so what is the incentive for any company to install chargers ? Since 2018 any domestic charge point fitted with government subsidy has had the facility to measure the power going through it and store the data, this suggest that government can use this to charge EV the 'proper cost' for electricity used to power a vehicle. I would not be surprised if smart meters do not have the same facility and a wireless chip in the car talking to smart meter.. For too long EV have been heavily subsidized - there will be a reckoning soon, and pay per mile for EV only is the answer for governments, as every EV has GPS on board.
I’ve yet to see of any evidence of subsidies paid to fossil fuel companies over the past few years. Tax breaks are not subsidies - they are normal costs with most businesses as part of running a business.
Tell me the difference between not having to pay a million in tax and getting a million paid to you, please. Seems you end up with a million either way
@@davetakesiton . Imagine running a company and being able to buy an asset and being able to claim it as 100% tax deductible- something like a car that just happens to be an EV.
Easy solution. Pay for all these assets out of taxation.Own all assets 100%. All the profits accrue to UK taxpayer. UK has total control over production and destination. Or have I missed something?
Tax needs to be based on emissions as well as use of the road. Stopping the payments to oil and gas, as all money gets absorbed and we then still have to buy according to international rates. Tax oil and gas properly and stop the payments out, EV owners would pay tax but it should be less than any ICE car. Overall result is much more money and something that would still feel fair to all road users.
In some ways the duty on petrol and diesel is a perfect tax on pollution in general the polluter with the least efficient vehicle pays the most. A level tax playing field may be needed to replace fuel duty road tax from EV users. The large BIK subsidy on EV company cars is money lost as is salary sacrifice schemes which usually benefit the better off combined with low no car tax seems to benefit the few. Maybe free/ subsidised home chargers would help the take up of second hand EV by consumers and rescue the poor residuals of EVs it's certainly something I factor in to the cost/ benefit of switching
We all pay tax so we are all allowed to use the roads, it’s just a way for easy tax recovery from any government. It was always going to happen, the earlier they start the earlier (they think we’ll get used to it)
EVs are now a mature technology, so there's no need to continue with subsidies. It's time the BIK for EVs was brought more into line with other vehicles, increasing from say 2% to 10%. After all, it's not like EV drivers can't afford it, and there needs to be some mechanism put in place to replace the declining revenue from fuel duty.
EV’s adoption is still in the early adopter phase. Only 1 in 11 EVs on the road in the UK is privately purchased and owned - most are company cars ( bought because of tax incentives, fleet ( bought because of scaled savings in low maintenance costs and service costs), employer lease schemes and then some windfall accessible individuals like retirees. The difficulty now is selling to the mass market normal man in the street - new EVs are only now reaching parity with their equivalent ICE in price - you can lease a Vauxhall corsa for the same price as a Corsa e now but there’s not range parity a Corsa e has 155 miles real-world range (compared to 500 miles) and only 100kW peak DC charging so 30 to 40 minutes refuelling time! Yeah the low maintenance cost and low running cost may appeal but 30-40 minutes fuel stop times for intercity driving is going to make this a non-viable proposition for a lot. Faster charging and longer range EVs still attract a massive premium and still don’t have range parity though a 18 minute re-charge time typically means your car will be ready before you are in a comfort break stop. In the UK - the ZEV mandate, chinese competition, better battery tech and a second-hand market means this is all set to change within 2 years. Very exciting times ahead for potentially new EV owners. My use case was met 2 years ago with a 321 mile WLTP, 18 minute 10-80% charging GV60. Recently Newcastle, North East England to Scotland, Falkirk Wheel and back with 3% battery remaining (308 miles)- fuel cost with a great overnight home EV tariff less than £10.
Stick a flat rate £200 VED on all vehicles, then get the rest of tax by increasing fuel duty. That properly incentivises driving more economical ice cars, and doing fewer miles. It'd also avoid all the big brother nonsense of pay per mile type schemes.
First stop the back handed subsidies given to the Oil industry, use this money to subsidise Solar to both businesses and private homes. After that take a look at how we fund the roadways although I firmly believe there will be far less cars on the roads once FSD becomes a thing, why own a car when you can call up a fully automatic car of your choice 24/7
Starmer stasis are going after anyone who can pay. Don’t believe anything they say, they can’t be trusted and policy u-turns are the name of the game. The other lot were the same but they weren’t as vindictive if you complain.
Surely it is obvious to everyone that as tax (and duty) income from oil, gas and ICE cars goes down, it has to be replaced somehow. It would be disastrous if it electricity were taxed more highly to make up for the losses, and unworkable to tax the electricity used to charge EVs. Pence per mile would make sense. My EV costs about 1.6p per mile in electricity. By old ICE car used to cost somewhere around 14 or 15p per mile. An extra, say, 5p per mile would still leave the EV cheaper than the ICE. I would be disappointed, of course, but fair's fair - the roads have to be paid for somehow.
Where are the subsidies that this channel consistently says the oil and gas industry gets Here are the uk tax receipts from the industry In 2022-2023, the UK government received North Sea, which includes petroleum revenue tax, £10.57 billion Fuel excise duty £24.83 billion Vehicle excise Duty £7.3billion The subsidies of £13.6 billion since 2015 billion are un paid taxes offset against business assets and expenditures net income including subsidy offsets is still in excess of £29 billion pounds a year.
Try “The Conversation “ who quote: If an oil company makes £10 million, for example, current tax rules would claim £7.5 million from this. But if the company reinvests the earnings in oil and gas extraction, it wouldn’t just zero out its tax, it could also set aside an extra £1.6 million against future gains - or £3.4 million if it invests in decarbonisation.
@@davetakesiton that’s not a subsidy that’s just working within the investment tax laws to minimise tax the same as any company would do. The oil and gas industry still provided over £10 billion pounds in tax in the last tax year and will provide another substantial amount of tax revenue for the treasury in this financial year.
If you're doing something as pointless n damaging as burning fossil fuels finding better ways of doing the same things as in heating n moving about is the best thing not going on what the accountant says.
I believe in what is happening would be a great thing. I’m looking forward to 2050 or sooner to the day when we actually come down to Carbon Nett Zero!!
@@lordstevewilson1331Just search for outdoor pollution deaths, England and find reports published by Public Health England (now UK Health Security Agency).
Remove the £billions of government money we subsidise the oil industry and use it to fund home batteries for low income households so they are more able to eat and heat.
just helping people to insulate their homes properly would be a start.
Did you see the blaze in a tower block on the news today? Do you think those residents would be allowed to fit a big lithium battery in their flats?
@@andrewlarner6190 Don't forget the £13 billion in foreign aid we give every year plus the £11.8 billion in foreign aid for global warming, Ed Milliband has given away. Don't forget it was Ed who metaphorically stabbed his brother Dave in the back to become party leader a few years ago. Can we trust a guy like that with £11.8 billion.
Most modern Lithium batteries are very safe but if you are that concerned there are other battery chemistries around. The only reason we use Lithium in car batteries, mobile phone batteries etc is because it is a very light metal giving great power per kg we don't need light metals in static batteries, so battery mass is not an issue@@brendanpells912
@@brendanpells912Give it a rest..🥱
I’m an older man who suffers with Asthma. I often have to sit down and wait until my chest stops being bad!! I went electric because I believe that I can help.
@@Madonsteamrailways you could also try reducing weight , increasing exercise levels, fasting 16 hours a day and reducing the amount of sugar in your diet. If you’ve got a gas boiler or worse a wood burner , then the emission’s from these is worse than the emission’s from your old car. The average gas boiler emmits 215 g of Co2 per kWh wood burner’s are in excess of 500g of Co2 per kWh
@@tobycolin6271 I’m already a disabled guy and have to eat carefully anyway. Fasting for 16 hours a day would, with the amount of exercise I do most days, be a lethal combination!!
@@Madonsteamrailways type 1 diabetic commute to and from work 15 miles each way. Fasting 16:8 which is all you need is to push breakfast back until 11.00 if you stop eating at 1900 the previous day. The human race has lived like this perfectly happily since religion was invented and probably a bit before. But the narrative written by food manufacturers and our governments is to eat low cost cereal based and sugar based products.
Probably just me and how my mind works, but the new logo reminded me of the old episode of Only Fool's & Horses where Del was saying how he wanted the company initials in big neon lights over the building and Rodney (aka Dave) said it would sell out: "T.I.T" 😉 ("Trotters Independent Traders" for any non UK viewers).
And he called his kid Damien Derek Trotter, DDT 😂
Didn't they do that with Diesel?
Yes that’s correct.
Can guarantee that will start to bring in new tax etc as revenue from ICE drops.
Used to have free VED for the sub 99 per measure which got dropped as lots of people bought low emission cars and VED take dropped and had to recover.
As less fuel usage with migration to EV and loss of fuel duty then they will want to recover that somewhere.
It will be recovered via Road Tolls.... The framework is allegedly already in place, with just the final details to resolve...
When we transition, why must we be leaders? No ice cars by 2030 or is it 2035 or is it 2030. Cannot it be our leaders want to go to conferences and be the first the biggest etc.Have a seat at the top table.. What the UK does makes no practical difference. The significant players are China, India, Indonesia, Brasil etc and the good old USA. Be realistic about the difference the UK makes - virtually nil.
There will still be plenty of ICE cars after 2030. They just won't be new ones... Anyone who has an ICE car after 2030 can continue to use it as long as it remains roadworthy and serviceable.... It's my belief though, that emissions regulations for older ICE cars may be tightened up in the years ahead..
Even if you don’t think the UK efforts will make any appreciable difference to the global climate crisis - isn’t a self reliance on transportation fuel ( weaning off oil to self generated electricity and homes to electric rather than massive gas imports ) and a reduction in harmful air pollutants in our cities a good thing?
As one of “those scientists”, now retired, I am sorry to say that the much talked about +1.5 Celsius global warming threshold is out of humanity’s reach without trillions of dollars of investment year on year in Carbon Capture and Storage. What this means in reality is that anyone under retirement age faces some enormous challenges over the coming decades - increasingly destructive weather, food insecurity and mass migration. Not a pleasant prospect.
Indeed. And a task made all the more difficult by idiots who believe climate change is a hoax and the lobbying power of fossil fuel companies.
Enough fear and nonsense, have you seen Paul Burgess's channel ? The biggest thing is low quality waste and polution... CO2 is misdirection as is net zero...
This says it all to me, dismissing someone with a career and expertise in the subject by referring to a you tube channel. 😢 @@ndudman8
@@ndudman8 There is always a bozo out there.
Actually you forgot to mention the hysteresis. People react to what they experience. By the time things have got so bad that the clammer for action is deafening then they will have to be told "Well it is going to continue to get worse for about fifty years after world wide net zero and then recover over the next couple of thousand". In reality the 2000 number is probably a massive underestimate.
I don't think any EV owner believes they shouldn't pay road tax. The fairest way going forward for all vehicles would be a pay per mile scheme.
Yes - and perhaps a tax on CO2 emissions in some form or another. And stop subsidising oil and gas - why are they subsidised, anyway?
As if next year (2025) EV's will pay VED of the same as medium sized ICE cars
@@steveknight878and how do you calculate the co2 tax on an EV, EVs are using electric partly generated b coal and gas, or are we just interested in what comes out
The fairest way is to charge us all the same as it used to be, that was until people started moaning about parents picking up their children from school in large 4x4 cars then it got turned into an environmental tax.
The biggest issue is that companies write down tax so it is really on the shoulders of the mums and dads.
Deluded - this Labour govt will try to introduce pay Mile to catch EV owners into paying more
It should only be EV who 'pay per mile' because ICE drivers already pay per mile with VAT and fuel duty on every litre, and VED. EV owners think they can continue to use cheap domestic electricity to power their car, and avoid public chargers, so what is the incentive for any company to install chargers ? Since 2018 any domestic charge point fitted with government subsidy has had the facility to measure the power going through it and store the data, this suggest that government can use this to charge EV the 'proper cost' for electricity used to power a vehicle. I would not be surprised if smart meters do not have the same facility and a wireless chip in the car talking to smart meter.. For too long EV have been heavily subsidized - there will be a reckoning soon, and pay per mile for EV only is the answer for governments, as every EV has GPS on board.
I’ve yet to see of any evidence of subsidies paid to fossil fuel companies over the past few years. Tax breaks are not subsidies - they are normal costs with most businesses as part of running a business.
Tell me the difference between not having to pay a million in tax and getting a million paid to you, please. Seems you end up with a million either way
@@davetakesiton . Imagine running a company and being able to buy an asset and being able to claim it as 100% tax deductible- something like a car that just happens to be an EV.
Easy solution. Pay for all these assets out of taxation.Own all assets 100%. All the profits accrue to UK taxpayer. UK has total control over production and destination. Or have I missed something?
Tax needs to be based on emissions as well as use of the road. Stopping the payments to oil and gas, as all money gets absorbed and we then still have to buy according to international rates. Tax oil and gas properly and stop the payments out, EV owners would pay tax but it should be less than any ICE car. Overall result is much more money and something that would still feel fair to all road users.
In some ways the duty on petrol and diesel is a perfect tax on pollution in general the polluter with the least efficient vehicle pays the most.
A level tax playing field may be needed to replace fuel duty road tax from EV users.
The large BIK subsidy on EV company cars is money lost as is salary sacrifice schemes which usually benefit the better off combined with low no car tax seems to benefit the few.
Maybe free/ subsidised home chargers would help the take up of second hand EV by consumers and rescue the poor residuals of EVs it's certainly something I factor in to the cost/ benefit of switching
It's a worse conspiracy than flat earth....
Silly sausages 😂😂😂
A well trodden path.
I use the roads..why should i not pay road tax?
We all pay tax so we are all allowed to use the roads, it’s just a way for easy tax recovery from any government. It was always going to happen, the earlier they start the earlier (they think we’ll get used to it)
I like the bathroom tiling, Are you sat on the toilet ?
EVs are now a mature technology, so there's no need to continue with subsidies. It's time the BIK for EVs was brought more into line with other vehicles, increasing from say 2% to 10%. After all, it's not like EV drivers can't afford it, and there needs to be some mechanism put in place to replace the declining revenue from fuel duty.
Can we have fossil subsidy bans too please?
EV’s adoption is still in the early adopter phase. Only 1 in 11 EVs on the road in the UK is privately purchased and owned - most are company cars ( bought because of tax incentives, fleet ( bought because of scaled savings in low maintenance costs and service costs), employer lease schemes and then some windfall accessible individuals like retirees.
The difficulty now is selling to the mass market normal man in the street - new EVs are only now reaching parity with their equivalent ICE in price - you can lease a Vauxhall corsa for the same price as a Corsa e now but there’s not range parity a Corsa e has 155 miles real-world range (compared to 500 miles) and only 100kW peak DC charging so 30 to 40 minutes refuelling time!
Yeah the low maintenance cost and low running cost may appeal but 30-40 minutes fuel stop times for intercity driving is going to make this a non-viable proposition for a lot.
Faster charging and longer range EVs still attract a massive premium and still don’t have range parity though a 18 minute re-charge time typically means your car will be ready before you are in a comfort break stop.
In the UK - the ZEV mandate, chinese competition, better battery tech and a second-hand market means this is all set to change within 2 years. Very exciting times ahead for potentially new EV owners.
My use case was met 2 years ago with a 321 mile WLTP, 18 minute 10-80% charging GV60. Recently Newcastle, North East England to Scotland, Falkirk Wheel and back with 3% battery remaining (308 miles)- fuel cost with a great overnight home EV tariff less than £10.
Ev owners are a soft touch, so why wouldn't the government take advantage?
The waffle in these videos makes them almost unwatchable, what has teeth or drugs got to do with ev’s?
Stick a flat rate £200 VED on all vehicles, then get the rest of tax by increasing fuel duty.
That properly incentivises driving more economical ice cars, and doing fewer miles. It'd also avoid all the big brother nonsense of pay per mile type schemes.
Pretty good for a Wafu! 😅
First stop the back handed subsidies given to the Oil industry, use this money to subsidise Solar to both businesses and private homes. After that take a look at how we fund the roadways although I firmly believe there will be far less cars on the roads once FSD becomes a thing, why own a car when you can call up a fully automatic car of your choice 24/7
Why own a house if you can rent one? People like the idea of actually owning things. It gives some folk an element of security.
Starmer stasis are going after anyone who can pay. Don’t believe anything they say, they can’t be trusted and policy u-turns are the name of the game. The other lot were the same but they weren’t as vindictive if you complain.
Surely it is obvious to everyone that as tax (and duty) income from oil, gas and ICE cars goes down, it has to be replaced somehow. It would be disastrous if it electricity were taxed more highly to make up for the losses, and unworkable to tax the electricity used to charge EVs. Pence per mile would make sense.
My EV costs about 1.6p per mile in electricity. By old ICE car used to cost somewhere around 14 or 15p per mile. An extra, say, 5p per mile would still leave the EV cheaper than the ICE. I would be disappointed, of course, but fair's fair - the roads have to be paid for somehow.
Where are the subsidies that this channel consistently says the oil and gas industry gets
Here are the uk tax receipts from the industry
In 2022-2023, the UK government received
North Sea, which includes petroleum revenue tax, £10.57 billion
Fuel excise duty £24.83 billion
Vehicle excise Duty £7.3billion
The subsidies of £13.6 billion since 2015 billion are un paid taxes offset against business assets and expenditures net income including subsidy offsets is still in excess of £29 billion pounds a year.
Try “The Conversation “ who quote: If an oil company makes £10 million, for example, current tax rules would claim £7.5 million from this. But if the company reinvests the earnings in oil and gas extraction, it wouldn’t just zero out its tax, it could also set aside an extra £1.6 million against future gains - or £3.4 million if it invests in decarbonisation.
@@davetakesiton that’s not a subsidy that’s just working within the investment tax laws to minimise tax the same as any company would do. The oil and gas industry still provided over £10 billion pounds in tax in the last tax year and will provide another substantial amount of tax revenue for the treasury in this financial year.
If you're doing something as pointless n damaging as burning fossil fuels finding better ways of doing the same things as in heating n moving about is the best thing not going on what the accountant says.
I believe in what is happening would be a great thing. I’m looking forward to 2050 or sooner to the day when we actually come down to Carbon Nett Zero!!
Two young children have already died because of the pollution in our air!!
Rubbish.
@@garyfardon8841You’re right, it’s much higher. 10,000s of premature deaths are estimated to be caused by air pollution in England alone.
@crm114. So you have a credible independent source for that number? What would that be please.
@@lordstevewilson1331Just search for outdoor pollution deaths, England and find reports published by Public Health England (now UK Health Security Agency).
@@lordstevewilson1331Public Health England (now UKHSA) reports.