CR-S if you want to do more than a single Hot lap flyer in a session. A052 if you're doing time attack and only want to set a single fast lap for a session or doing auto-cross. A052s don't need a warm up lap - they get up to temp after the first 3 hard turns and a single hard braking zone if you're pushing 70%. That said, they drop off quick after 2 flying hotlaps pushing 10/10ths. They can't handle heat. They are not a good lapping tire. Purely a competition tire for time attach and auto-x. That said, even after they drop off, the break away characteristics and sliding predictability is top notch. CR-S - like the A052 characteristics and equally as fast, but can handle heat way way way better. You can get 4-5 flying hotlaps in before they start to drop off. That said, they need a full warm up lap to get up to operating temperature. They won't do well for auto-x, but they can work for time attack - you get more opportunities to set a fast lap in a session out.
@@bullwing well that clearly horse sht. A052 are very popular in just about all of the enduro/mini enduro series running ATM on 1A/1B/1C tires, hold up incredibly well and give solid consistent times across races between 45min and 2 hours
@@bullwing Great analysis, have had the same experience. Only thing I would say is that the CRS have overall seemed a bit faster to me than the A052, even in single lap performance. But you're right they do take about a lap to get some heat in em.
Great video, I went from AR-1's to Yoko AO52's on my FN2. I loved the AR-1's but the AO52's are much better, it would be interesting to see or hear your thoughts on the new Nankang CR-s VS the Yoko AO52's. Thanks for uploading the review guys.
Great video guys! 👏 You need to try them on a heavier rwd car next! F8x e92 I found the cr-s to go off very quickly! The cr-s wouldn’t do a full lap of the ring without going off! That is comparing to a direzza to bare in mind! Never the less it’s still a great tyre in its working window!
@@nehok 1100Kg 330Ci Endurance car using them to great affect over 45 minute races with no drop off and significant improvement over previous AR-1 The AR-1 are a sprint tire, instant turn on but poor temp stability over a longer distance. If the CR-S is anything like the tire they copied (The A052) then the real advantage will be in non-perfect damp conditions
It's really frustrating that the CR-S in the standard sizes for the Lotus Elise S2 & S3 (195/50 R16 & 225/45 R17) are not road legal due to the lack of EU labelling. The ultimate tyre choice for the Elise S2/S3 is the Yokohama AO52, but they are really expensive, can be tricky to source sometimes and the rears wear quickly apparently. The CR-S appears to be a direct competitor to the AO52, so it would be good to see a side by side comparison. I just wish the EU tyre testing red tape could be sorted.
Good tyre Test again. Looking at CR-S tyre is like looking at a trofeo. Look very similar in design. Also sound like act quite similar in way need a heat cycle first from new to scrub them in. Did get any times on AO52s
For a mix of road and track, the understeer balance of the AR-1 and the fact it comes on quickly would mean it's a decent choice. Will be interesting to see how the CR-S tread behaves in the wet. I can't help but think the AR-1 compound with a CR-S pattern would be a good thing.
Would be great to see a wet comparison and as others have mentioned an A052 comparison. Also the damping setup seems to be really holding the car back. I know the exit of the first chicane is difficult in FWD but that pogo effect you're getting looks really bad. With Miester GT1s on my Civic I can get the power down a lot smoother, granted with a better diff too
Great review, thanks for taking the time and cost to do it…..At 50% more expensive than AR1 the results are as expected. I’d love to see a review of CRS / A052 / DZ03’s, all at a similar price point to understand 1 lap pace, long stint and tyre life. Thanks for the work you do 🤲🤲
Great video.... I know it's probably a bit more niche... but will you be testing Nankang SL-1's any time soon? I'm interested to know how much of a step-up they are compared to road-legal tyres performance-wise, and what the heat tolerance and wear rate is like....?
We have no plans to do this as of yet but stepping up to a slick tyre will be worlds apart from anything treaded. It will also put more strain on components like oil systems too, so we would only advice using them on full race/track cars.
Awesome review, I run the AR-1 on my RS3 8Y, changed to square setup 265/35/18 all round, love the AR-1. I’m still new at this so the next tyre I will try is the Dunlop direzza. I also checked your site but I do not see the Dragy for sale, you only have the little one, not the one in the video. Where can I buy it?
That little box is the one they used ib the video. In the first few laps you see it attached to the roof at the front of the car, right above the windscreen/driver. They've got magnetic backs so can be plonked anywhere metal. The DRG69 is the one they have listed on their site, you can obtain the DRG70 but from everything I saw online, there wasn't much of a difference in reality (I have the 70). The other tracking equipment they use, they mentioned what that was when first in the car with the dragy set up.
@@EvoBeard thanks, I also have the 70, thought is was a different device, just discovered there is an additional app I can download to get the info on my phone.
@@da1linkster280 We tested both the CR-S (pre-production model) and Direzza in our RWD tyre test. You can check that out here: czcams.com/video/klSmFfLSReg/video.html
AD09 vs NS2R would be very interesting... curious to see which one would lap faster over multiple (4) 20min session. And which one would last longer and be more consistent?
I find A052 to be in a different category. 1,5 seconds faster at the Red Bull Ring vs CRS. And also on the wet they have more grip feels like a softer compound. Japan vs China 🤔
I have the same feeling of the AR1 with the first warm up lap. Very skiddy 😅 Previously had AR1s on my 400hp Megane. Not bad really. I have CRS now, bought some used. I cannot justify the price of CRS for my normal track day use. Given the use I had of my car over 150 laps at Brands Hatch, 30-40 laps at Donny and around 1000 road miles. Ar1 lasted really well . I have very aggressive geo as well. As you summed up the AR1 is probably better for most of us who just do regular trackdays. The CRS price is silly, in my opinion. Its much closer to a Direzza which is a step above again - and I'm sure will last longer than either. So ££ per lap, Direzza seems better as well as faster. The E mark issue is not a concern Imo. Its a shame you didn't account for wear, unless I missed it. Thanks for the video.
useful info thanks, i run ar1 on my e36 race car and some of the lads are moving to cr-s, not sure the price difference still warrants moving to the cr-s over a season as i could bolt on another set of ar1 for the difference earlier in the season but good to know the cr-s is giving a performance difference over the previous test which wasn't as conclusive, keep up the good work, cheers. i run 2354017 square set up on 9j.
How is the sidewall stiffness of the CR-S compared to the AD09's? I have AD09's on my 718 GT4 and I love the stiff sidewall feel, but they are not the grippiest tire since they are an Endurance 200TW and not a Super 200TW like the CR-S is supposed to be.
How have you found the Ad09 vs the stock Cup2s on the GT4? Looking for something stickier for mine and the Ad09 is about the only thing available right now in the correct sizes.
@@HondaExige1AD09’s are worlds better than the Cup 2’s. AD09’s have a wider operating window , do not fall off as fast or as much , and that stiffer sidewall really gives the car a more direct feel, especially laterally at high speeds. I also have MCS 2-way remote dampers , but I know they would be better even on a stock suspension car.
Ace video and interesting to hear the geo setup you have on the fn2, is that 3mm total rear toe out or 3mm each side (6mm total!?) Sounds spicy indeed! Looks like I'll be ordering some shims to spice up the clio! Cheers 🍻
Could the CRS be less grippy from the start because you went out with the stickers still on them? 🤔 I went from ar1 to crs on my BMW M2 and it was 3-4 seconds a lap faster on my 2 track layouts?
Really interested to know which one is better cold (first 2 to 3 minutes) AR1, CR-S or A052? Intending to used them on road/track but also at hill climb events as well, where cold performance is crucial.
From personal experience, A052 is better than the CRS in the wet and cold conditions. CRS does need that first injection of heat to become grippy, A052 does not. I'm yet to drive the A052 properly in the dry just yet. (EK4 Civic used for hillclimbs and sprint track days)
Thank you! We gave both tyres two sessions each so it's hard to comment on the longevity of each tyre. We used to use AR-1 on our endurance spec BMW M4 and they worked really well over the course of a 2 hour race.
It depends whether you drive the car in the wet or not. For a good all rounder that's perfect for the road and track, it's hard to look past the Yokohama AD09. You can see the review of these in our RWD tyre test which is live on our channel.
I tried the AR-1 on my 996 GT3 2 times. The first time in stock sizes (235/40/18 & 295/30/18), but they were just too bloody narrow compared to other tyres. THey didn't last long and I abosolutely shredded them on the rear. To compensate for size, I ended up using 245/40/18 & 315/30/18. While grip was good, the feeling of the car was absolute dog shit. Felt like floating around. Also, again, the rear just wears out way too fast (3x15min stint in Monza + 1 trackday ~270km in Tazio Nuvolari + 350Km road use too and from the track). I think the AR1 tyre is just not suited for a 911. Apparently the CRS is better so I might try them, but I really hope that they also don't wear out as quickly.
what we really want to know is A052 vs CR-S
Cutting to the point, what are lap times of the A052 on this car in similar conditions?
CR-S if you want to do more than a single Hot lap flyer in a session. A052 if you're doing time attack and only want to set a single fast lap for a session or doing auto-cross.
A052s don't need a warm up lap - they get up to temp after the first 3 hard turns and a single hard braking zone if you're pushing 70%. That said, they drop off quick after 2 flying hotlaps pushing 10/10ths. They can't handle heat. They are not a good lapping tire. Purely a competition tire for time attach and auto-x. That said, even after they drop off, the break away characteristics and sliding predictability is top notch.
CR-S - like the A052 characteristics and equally as fast, but can handle heat way way way better. You can get 4-5 flying hotlaps in before they start to drop off. That said, they need a full warm up lap to get up to operating temperature. They won't do well for auto-x, but they can work for time attack - you get more opportunities to set a fast lap in a session out.
@@bullwing well that clearly horse sht. A052 are very popular in just about all of the enduro/mini enduro series running ATM on 1A/1B/1C tires, hold up incredibly well and give solid consistent times across races between 45min and 2 hours
@bullwing not my experience. I've ran a052s back to back vs crs v2s and the crs is faster in time attack by about .4 seconds over a 1:33 lap.
@@bullwing Great analysis, have had the same experience. Only thing I would say is that the CRS have overall seemed a bit faster to me than the A052, even in single lap performance. But you're right they do take about a lap to get some heat in em.
Finally, someone tested them back to back. Thank you!
We aim to please!
Great video, I went from AR-1's to Yoko AO52's on my FN2. I loved the AR-1's but the AO52's are much better, it would be interesting to see or hear your thoughts on the new Nankang CR-s VS the Yoko AO52's. Thanks for uploading the review guys.
Thank you for watching!
Amazing Video as always!! What is the toe of the front wheels?? Have you ever tried racing the FN2 with 18-inch wheels instead of 17-inch wheels?
Should do a A052 vs CR-S
Crs vs ao52 vs dz03g now then
Direzza will be the fastest.
@@FastLifeVlog I would guess so to
Great video guys! 👏
You need to try them on a heavier rwd car next! F8x e92
I found the cr-s to go off very quickly! The cr-s wouldn’t do a full lap of the ring without going off! That is comparing to a direzza to bare in mind!
Never the less it’s still a great tyre in its working window!
That's what I've heard about them, good time attack or sprint tire but not so good for doing a 30/40 min lapping session.
@@nehok 1100Kg 330Ci Endurance car using them to great affect over 45 minute races with no drop off and significant improvement over previous AR-1
The AR-1 are a sprint tire, instant turn on but poor temp stability over a longer distance. If the CR-S is anything like the tire they copied (The A052) then the real advantage will be in non-perfect damp conditions
@@nehokit couldn’t even handle a low 7 min lap at the ring! Fell off after CZcams corner 🤦♂️
@@RCRVidsI suspect it’s the heavier cars it’s suffers! My m2 is 1600kg plus bud!
I’ve seen a guy go low 7s in a G80 with Crs. He even told me that were better than the a052. You probably know him, the driver of 24/7s green g80
A052 for me. On heat way is unbeliaveable tire. Car feels like a train 😊❤
Lovely video, thank you for the detailed testing!
No problem!
Great review thx
It's really frustrating that the CR-S in the standard sizes for the Lotus Elise S2 & S3 (195/50 R16 & 225/45 R17) are not road legal due to the lack of EU labelling.
The ultimate tyre choice for the Elise S2/S3 is the Yokohama AO52, but they are really expensive, can be tricky to source sometimes and the rears wear quickly apparently.
The CR-S appears to be a direct competitor to the AO52, so it would be good to see a side by side comparison.
I just wish the EU tyre testing red tape could be sorted.
A052 vs AD09, the winner vs CR-S. Curious about Bridgestone potenza race vs CR-S
Good tyre Test again.
Looking at CR-S tyre is like looking at a trofeo. Look very similar in design. Also sound like act quite similar in way need a heat cycle first from new to scrub them in.
Did get any times on AO52s
Thank you!
For a mix of road and track, the understeer balance of the AR-1 and the fact it comes on quickly would mean it's a decent choice. Will be interesting to see how the CR-S tread behaves in the wet. I can't help but think the AR-1 compound with a CR-S pattern would be a good thing.
Would be great to see a wet comparison and as others have mentioned an A052 comparison.
Also the damping setup seems to be really holding the car back. I know the exit of the first chicane is difficult in FWD but that pogo effect you're getting looks really bad. With Miester GT1s on my Civic I can get the power down a lot smoother, granted with a better diff too
I see that the newly fitted CR-S is supposed to be driven at least 3 laps at "not max", to wear them in.
I love to see Cr-s vs ad09
good test , thumbs up, what pressure did you run then on CR-S, same as AR-1s ?
1:11
Thank you !
Hi, love the testing you are doing , very helpful, are you able to test 500bhp rear wheel drive car with the CR-S and AR-1 ?
Thanks for watching. It's something we can look into, for sure!
Great review, thanks for taking the time and cost to do it…..At 50% more expensive than AR1 the results are as expected.
I’d love to see a review of CRS / A052 / DZ03’s, all at a similar price point to understand 1 lap pace, long stint and tyre life.
Thanks for the work you do 🤲🤲
Thank you for watching!
Great video.... I know it's probably a bit more niche... but will you be testing Nankang SL-1's any time soon? I'm interested to know how much of a step-up they are compared to road-legal tyres performance-wise, and what the heat tolerance and wear rate is like....?
We have no plans to do this as of yet but stepping up to a slick tyre will be worlds apart from anything treaded. It will also put more strain on components like oil systems too, so we would only advice using them on full race/track cars.
Awesome reviews!!!
AR1 and CRS vs Cup2 and Potenza Race, how would they compare??
Great test! How does the CRS compare to nexen n fera R?
tell me you did not let the stickers on the ar1's when you left the pits...
Awesome review, I run the AR-1 on my RS3 8Y, changed to square setup 265/35/18 all round, love the AR-1. I’m still new at this so the next tyre I will try is the Dunlop direzza. I also checked your site but I do not see the Dragy for sale, you only have the little one, not the one in the video. Where can I buy it?
That little box is the one they used ib the video. In the first few laps you see it attached to the roof at the front of the car, right above the windscreen/driver.
They've got magnetic backs so can be plonked anywhere metal.
The DRG69 is the one they have listed on their site, you can obtain the DRG70 but from everything I saw online, there wasn't much of a difference in reality (I have the 70).
The other tracking equipment they use, they mentioned what that was when first in the car with the dragy set up.
@@EvoBeard thanks, I also have the 70, thought is was a different device, just discovered there is an additional app I can download to get the info on my phone.
Thank you for watching! Here is the link to the Dragy that we used: www.tegiwa.com/products/dragy-gps-performance-monitoring-box
@@tegiwa thank you! Which tyre do you think is faster between the direzza and the cr-s?
@@da1linkster280 We tested both the CR-S (pre-production model) and Direzza in our RWD tyre test. You can check that out here: czcams.com/video/klSmFfLSReg/video.html
Would be interested to know how it goes against the AD09. Currently running the AD09 on a Toyota NCP13 (Yaris/Vitz/Echo) for endurance racing.
AD09 vs NS2R would be very interesting... curious to see which one would lap faster over multiple (4) 20min session. And which one would last longer and be more consistent?
I find A052 to be in a different category. 1,5 seconds faster at the Red Bull Ring vs CRS. And also on the wet they have more grip feels like a softer compound. Japan vs China 🤔
I have the same feeling of the AR1 with the first warm up lap. Very skiddy 😅
Previously had AR1s on my 400hp Megane. Not bad really.
I have CRS now, bought some used.
I cannot justify the price of CRS for my normal track day use. Given the use I had of my car over 150 laps at Brands Hatch, 30-40 laps at Donny and around 1000 road miles. Ar1 lasted really well . I have very aggressive geo as well.
As you summed up the AR1 is probably better for most of us who just do regular trackdays.
The CRS price is silly, in my opinion. Its much closer to a Direzza which is a step above again - and I'm sure will last longer than either. So ££ per lap, Direzza seems better as well as faster. The E mark issue is not a concern Imo.
Its a shame you didn't account for wear, unless I missed it.
Thanks for the video.
Thank you for watching!
useful info thanks, i run ar1 on my e36 race car and some of the lads are moving to cr-s, not sure the price difference still warrants moving to the cr-s over a season as i could bolt on another set of ar1 for the difference earlier in the season but good to know the cr-s is giving a performance difference over the previous test which wasn't as conclusive, keep up the good work, cheers.
i run 2354017 square set up on 9j.
Thanks for watching!
1.7 bar is crazy imo, not gonna be good for the tyrewall even the nankang's having pretty solid tyrewalls.
How is the sidewall stiffness of the CR-S compared to the AD09's?
I have AD09's on my 718 GT4 and I love the stiff sidewall feel, but they are not the grippiest tire since they are an Endurance 200TW and not a Super 200TW like the CR-S is supposed to be.
How have you found the Ad09 vs the stock Cup2s on the GT4? Looking for something stickier for mine and the Ad09 is about the only thing available right now in the correct sizes.
@@HondaExige1AD09’s are worlds better than the Cup 2’s.
AD09’s have a wider operating window , do not fall off as fast or as much , and that stiffer sidewall really gives the car a more direct feel, especially laterally at high speeds.
I also have MCS 2-way remote dampers , but I know they would be better even on a stock suspension car.
Why are you starting the CR-S test with the stickers on the tire?😂
They literally come off before you even start the out lap.
@@thedavidvarley1 No, it's not that quick. That's also the reason why it had so little grip on the first few laps.
I've already tested it.
@@stbeIX I agree, I've done that before and it's a mistake 100% !
Ace video and interesting to hear the geo setup you have on the fn2, is that 3mm total rear toe out or 3mm each side (6mm total!?) Sounds spicy indeed! Looks like I'll be ordering some shims to spice up the clio! Cheers 🍻
3mm each side!
Front toe?
@@mikar636 rear
@@classicvin I meant what is the front toe?
Could the CRS be less grippy from the start because you went out with the stickers still on them? 🤔 I went from ar1 to crs on my BMW M2 and it was 3-4 seconds a lap faster on my 2 track layouts?
Fantastic job 👏
Thanks very much!
Great video 🤞
Thanks very much!
Really interested to know which one is better cold (first 2 to 3 minutes) AR1, CR-S or A052? Intending to used them on road/track but also at hill climb events as well, where cold performance is crucial.
From personal experience, A052 is better than the CRS in the wet and cold conditions. CRS does need that first injection of heat to become grippy, A052 does not.
I'm yet to drive the A052 properly in the dry just yet.
(EK4 Civic used for hillclimbs and sprint track days)
@5:24 that is factory sticker?
HEROES!
Thanks!
Great test. Does the CRS last as long as the AR1 ?
Thank you! We gave both tyres two sessions each so it's hard to comment on the longevity of each tyre. We used to use AR-1 on our endurance spec BMW M4 and they worked really well over the course of a 2 hour race.
post up times showing all three best times
i take the AR1, price is hot and i'm out there to have fun, no competition.
Would these be good for a fast road tire? I’ve got AD08r now and they have been great for the road
Turbo Lotus Elise
It depends whether you drive the car in the wet or not. For a good all rounder that's perfect for the road and track, it's hard to look past the Yokohama AD09. You can see the review of these in our RWD tyre test which is live on our channel.
Now I wonder if it's faster than the dunlops
I just ordered a set of CR-S´s for my RX-7 and im super excited to see how they will perform on the Nürburgring. :)
I tried the AR-1 on my 996 GT3 2 times. The first time in stock sizes (235/40/18 & 295/30/18), but they were just too bloody narrow compared to other tyres. THey didn't last long and I abosolutely shredded them on the rear.
To compensate for size, I ended up using 245/40/18 & 315/30/18. While grip was good, the feeling of the car was absolute dog shit. Felt like floating around. Also, again, the rear just wears out way too fast (3x15min stint in Monza + 1 trackday ~270km in Tazio Nuvolari + 350Km road use too and from the track).
I think the AR1 tyre is just not suited for a 911.
Apparently the CRS is better so I might try them, but I really hope that they also don't wear out as quickly.
I did a same day track test of A052, AR-1, CR-S, and TrofeoR with my 996.1 GT3
@@magnus-thomeand with what results or conclusions?
@@magnus-thome sure.. And what are your conclusions?
If you want something that lasts longer you might need to compromise and go for AD09 or NS2R...
Advan wheels??
@@Senninha1960 they are Rota Force's