Work Sharp Pro Precision Adjust vs Freehand & Electric Sharpeners
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- We got an early look at the new Work Sharp Professional Precision Adjust (the Pro PA). We’re big fans of the original Precision Adjust, so we decided to see how the new upgrades compare to the original and pitted the results against experts using traditional water stones and a knife maker’s belt grinder.
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0:00 Intro
1:12 The Challenge
2:24 The Improvements
9:41 Three Methods of Sharpening
19:27 Scientifically Measuring Sharpness
22:28 Impartial Expert Judgement
25:57 Wrap-Up
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Thomas in front of the camera, what a great sight to behold
Stole my thunder. I believe it’s the 2nd time. The other time I recall was his video going over multi tools & showing off his custom professional bottle opener.
@@jerrypomroy2375 that's the only time I remember seeing him and would love to see him out front much more often. Matter of fact because of Thomas's outstanding showing, I'm buying it.
And he’s a Pontiac guy
And he’s a Pontiac guy
@@Tusk2001 GM should’ve cut off Buick & kept Pontiac. They already had Cadillac.
Man, I didn’t think I’d want to upgrade my original precision adjust. But this thing looks like an incredibly nice upgrade.
i finally did and i am pretty happy with it, i have the Benchmade 940-1 Carbon with the S90V steel and I heard horror stories about sharpening it so i broke down and bought this, took under 5 min to do one of the best sharpening jobs I've ever done (far from an expert, just like to play), I was super nervous but practiced on a budget knife for a few minutes and by the time i got to my BM I was already happy lol, its a lot of money when you have 4 kids nd a wife but worth it in my opinion, hope you are happy with whatever decision you make!
@@johnraygun9868lose the family buy more knives 😅
I kid 😁
Or do I 😬
we all have our priorities lmaohope you had a happy New Year! @@Dan_Hazard
@@johnraygun9868 likewise, happy New Year 🤟🏼
@@johnraygun9868 I just use my ken onion edition for all my spyderco and benchmade knives. 17 degree all day. hair whittling edge.
Loved this one, fun to see the 3 most popular sharpening methods go head to head. 👍
I totally agree!
Work sharp really paid attention to customer feedback on the original as well as what aftermarket accessories people were making to correct perceived flaws and to enhance usability. It's a nice upgrade. If i hadn't upgraded mine with a blade clamp, 1x4 stone adaptor and Venev Dog stones I'd be tempted to upgrade.
You guys should have had a fourth competitor using the Spyderco Tri-angle Sharpmaker, with its optional accessory stones.
It's neat when a company takes feedback from their customers and (gasp) makes a better product! Sounds like Work Sharp has done just that. It often seems like companies make changes to increase profit margin instead of improving a product. This is refreshing.
I've been waiting for a comprehensive review of this new product. What a great way to present it. Great to actually see thomas. Keep up the good work!
Not just amoung KnifeCenter videos, but one if the more enjoyable videos of those I have seen! Great job everyone and many thanks!!! I liked the humor the most!
Thanks very much for this comparison! My Pro PA arrived today and I’m very pleased with my early results.
You guys really have the best knife content. I always enjoy your videos. In fact, you are the first channel I've ever subscribed to.
The professional precision adjust Is something am definitely wanting !
Thoroughly enjoyed this, thank you very much gentlemen!
I would love to see the results of the basic work sharp in this comparison, very interested if the extra cost gets that much better results..... love the content! Keep up the good work!
I have the original and would put money on this thing being a noticeable improvement (in fact, I will be putting money on it...I'm definitely buying the upgrade). The original isn't super stable and the angle issue they mention is a big deal.
There is a video where the slight wiggle / stability issue in various parts of the Work Sharp Pro Precision are corrected using low-cost fixes. Search for "Did Work Sharp stop $3 short of Professional level?" So despite the much higher price tag, the Professional still has minor stability issues. I imagine the fixes can also be used on the original Precision Adjust. So besides getting the additional grades of stones and a metal build, they are more or less identical in the way they work.
I have the new Precision Pro and I absolutely love it. I was lucky enough to get one of the limited edition first runs. Awesome system.
Thank you Gary! Sharp commentary as always DCA👍🏼
Thanks for taking the time.
Enjoyable little show. I enjoy my worksharp, basic precision ajust. This weekend I used my old lansky five stone sharpener on a blade that actually ended up okay. But, the best fun is freehand on stones/diamond plates, only I don't get the amazing consistency that I get on the worksharp.
Very cool competition guys! The PA Pro looks really good stuff! I’m partial to my KME still lol, but it definitely looks like a good setup.
Would have been nice to give us a warning each time you were about to show the clip of you dulling the knives so we could have looked away. Instead I'm going to have nightmares now. Thanks a lot. LOL
Ooo! Same here. Watching those blades drawn across cinder block made me suck breath through clenched teeth. 😬
Good video, I've been sharpening knives for about 50 years now and still have a bad day every once in a while, do mine free hand but the new worksharp has really got me interested.
Pre-ordered my Work Sharp Professional Precision and have had it for a few weeks now. LOVE IT!! Makes it really easy to get a REALLY sharp blade. Bought an Apache 3800 case from Harbor Freight for less than $40 to store it in. No Regrets at all.
I just purchased this item. My wife and I both cook and we like very sharp knives. I don't have the experience for free hand sharpening and am hoping this will allow me to keep our kitchen knives sharp fairly easily. I am encouraged by the results shown in this video.
Awesome test and presentation all around!
Now, Round 2, with a CPM steel!
Pretty cool comparison. New equipment really seem better build.
Some tips for better sharpening regardless of what method you choose.
Edge trailing doesn't fully clean the burr on stones, a microburr will always remain.
Burr removal edge leading on stone with low pressure is good enough to fully clean the burr so stropping is optional.
Polished edge cuts better paper, hair, wood and raw meat but aggressive edge cuts better most other materials. Adjust your final grit testing on what you cut most often instead of just paper tests.
Too much stropping can cause foil burr and weaken the edge. Ten passes on diamond compound is already too much. If you plan on using strops limit to just three passes or use a hanging denim strop which doesn't create from foil burr.
Foil burr can fake high sharpness that doesn't last. If your method can create foil do a couple passes on wood before testing sharpness.
An edge that shaves hair or cuts paper towel one handed will have slightly better cutting capacity and durability comparing with most other paper tests.
@thiago.assumpcao Your sharpening tips are very interesting. I’ve always done burr removal as the very last thing on my finest stone. I use a leading edge action with a light touch. I’ve never stropped for fear of rounding over the edge I worked so diligently to sharpen.
I’m an experienced sharpener, but I’ve never heard of a “foil” burr. This sent me on a Google search that lead me to a couple of deliciously geeky, “rabbit hole” sharpening sites, so thank you for that.
In the kitchen, an unpolished edge cuts through the skin of a tomato more easily, but I polish my edges anyway because I’ve found polished edges last longer.
@@Rick_Hoppe If you like sharpening I recommend the site Science of Sharp. It has many studies with electron microscopy images and really changed how I think about sharpening.
As a finishing stone I have a few experienced friends that prefer to finish on 1-2K stone. I cut a lot of raw meat so I prefer 3-6K for a general purpose chef knife.
Stropping is a complex topic with unexpected results. To make it simple I recommend stone only but a well used strop can achieve very similar results. Science of Sharp has a very interesting article about it.
One important tip I forgot to mention is microbevels. Most people use it to make a though edge but I use for better cutting performance.
Thin edges cut better but knives with 60 HRC and bellow seen on most western chef knives can’t hold an edge with 10 degree sharpening, that’s part of the reason why Japanese knives are so good.
Instead of sharpening these knives with a thick 15-20 degrees like most people recommend I use 7,5-10 degree and finish with a 15 degree microbevel. Just a few alternating edge leading strokes on the microbevel is enough to make the edge strong enough to avoid rolling as long as you cut without impact and without touching bones. The cutting performance boost is quite significant on hard vegetables like carrot and onion.
I have no durability issues doing this even with soft 53 HRC. Durability can be an issue if the maker mess up the heat treatment with grain growth or retained austenite but that’s very uncommon in industrial knives.
I have a CZcams channel but its on Portuguese so probably not much use for you.
@@Rick_Hoppe Same. Been sharpening for decades. This is the first time I've heard the term "foil edge".
...now I'm off to Google it as well. lol
So great to see the 3 kings of knifetube! Keep 'em coming!
I bought a kadet pro with some diamond bonded resin stones. So now I am a sharpening nerd now too! Love to see these new rigs being released. I’m sure I’ll buy another system at some point. Just the nature of the game for me.
Yay Thomas! You did a great job in front of the camera AND with the PPA
I hope we get more of these videos of the three true greats' of the channel. Always fantastic to see Thomas in front of the camera !
MORE, PLEASE !!!!!!! 🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍
Oh man this thing addresses every gripe I have about the original. It's still what I use to sharpen my knives, but it's not the most sturdy unit. This new one looks so much sturdier. Plus the extra grits, the strop, the digital level, and all the cool quality of life improvements. I'll definitely be buying this. And, I guess, gifting my old one. Thanks for the suggestion, Thomas.
I have the current base Worksharp precision adjust. It's been great, but for some things I still have to use my old crock sticks. I've probably had them for 30 years now. The new system looks great, but I think my next set will be a Spyderco Sharpmaker. Love the video :)
Really enjoyed this style of video!
Though my EDC collection started in the '60's - highlighted by my personal USMC issued KA-BAR - my interest waxed and waned until the early 2000's. Though I've been collecting longer than DCA has been alive, my sharpening experience / skills are similar to Thomas. Having little confidence in my capabilities and/or results, I often chose to have "pro's" sharpen my blades. My interest in the Work Sharp PP started with an early preview (Zac in the Wild) but this outstanding demonstration motivated me to purchase the PP (actually submit a deposit). Thank you DCA, Seth, Thomas, KnifeCenter
As a newbie this was very helpful thanks guys
Great thorough review. Thanks guys!
I sharpen a lot of larger knives (kukris, etc.) and the sharpest edges I’ve ever gotten were on a 1x42 Kalamazoo slack belt grinder, followed by a loose flap buffing wheel with green chromium oxide compound, or on 4x36 leather belt. I wish I had your 2x48 setup here, more compact than a 2x72 and less space. Thanks for sharing!
NGL Seth V's setup is awesome and doesn't break the bank. I would love to know what that rig for holding stones over the sink is, great video!
Google "Waterstone holder".
Umm... don't know, but my stones are very expensive. My 2 Belgians (5000 and 8000 grit) were both over $200. Now agreed, you can get cheaper stones. But ultimately, we tend to spend a lot of money on knives and then cheapen out on the maintenance gear (e.g. cheap bits, that strip out screws on your expensive knives). I think as your collection proceeds, it makes sense to also evolve your sharpening and invest in it.
That said, I enjoy sharpening and can spend several hours on a new knife to get the edge I want. For me, it is part of the hobby, so naturally, I'm also willing to spend more money on more expensive sharpening systems.
Super episode guys! Thoroughly enjoyed it. And great to see Thomas out front of the camera 😂.
Great comparison. I really appreciate your efforts.
As cool as the new Precision adjust is, the price makes it not an option to me. I have the original w/ elite upgrade and added a 5 dollar brace to clamp, its rock solid now. I have always done SAK pen blades without a problem, so the new attachment is gimmicky to me. I added a clamp to my base and its not moving anywhere. The only feature that definitely makes the new model great is the tilt back for longer blade rotation. Went to harbor freight and bought a digital angle gauge, much better and more uses than the new models included one.
As always YMMV, what works for me might not work for you.
they will be $250. when they hit the stores.
@jjj And for what you get, its worth $150. Plastic and cast steel is cheap to manufacture.
@@2873lonewolf yeah $150. sounds better to me .👍
I use the cordovan leather strops with gunny juice diamond emulsion to touch up my edges. I’m sure most know this, but you can only use one micron size emulsion per strop. That’s it. If you use 2 different size grits on one strop, the grit size will be off. So I have 1 strop for each micron size.
Great video gentlemen, I grew up free hand sharpening from the 60s through last year when I bought the Precision Adjust Pro last fall. I actually might move up again.
Wait.. so you’re a freehand sharpener with expert level experience and you moved to a fixed angle system? Almost never hear of that. I did the opposite.. years of Lansky and KME fixed angles because I didn’t have the patience to learn freehand.. finally got big bench stones and a clamp and forced myself to learn it.. I will never *ever* go back to fixed angle. It feels slow and clunky and is just boring as hell now. I get better edges in half the time and actually enjoy doing it. Getting into the world of bench stones and trying new stuff has been a whole new fun hobby too. But I mostly sharpen supersteels so I use mostly diamond and ceramic. ✌️
@@jdisdetermined Brother you are too kind "expert level experience" was very flattering. I could put hair popping edges on about anything with a blade at one time in my life, but father time and a nationwide shortage of natural Arkansas stones during the 80's changed that. I then bought a Lansky system and fell in love with diamond stones. As a Instructor for the Plumbers and Steamfitters for the past 23 years I kept a diamond plate, ceramic rod and leather strop in my desk at school. Every night I taught there would be two or three of my students come in early and place their knives on my desk and I would still be able to give them back blades that would shave hair from their arms. It was very pleasing for me to be able to do that for them. Take care and stay sharp!
Hey DCA, hey Thomas, hey Seth! I've been watching pretty much every episode for a couple years now and it's really great that you got Seth in front the camera again as well as Thomas. Wouldn't keep watching if I didn't enjoy DCA's personality and perspective, I've made several purchases based on DCA's recommendations and am very happy. But I also enjoy hearing Seth's perspective and it's great to see Thomas IN FRONT of the camera. BTW vid was very informative and it looks like I'll be upgrading!
Fantastic competition and fair comparison between different methods! I have a gen 1 Wicked Edge that I might not feel like replacing stones for, so the WS pro precision adjust might work out lol (and it looks quicker to setup as well).
I will definitely upgrade if they make a dedicated case for it... a box really! The last P/A sharpener even came with a cheap case to hold everything. Thanks for the review 👍
The contrasts presented in this video is comical. Love it!
Awesome video. Very informative and helpful.
Thanks guys, bonus got to see Thomas. I liked the demonstration and different methods. I some have high end knives. I'd like to compare with the Wicked Edge Pro 3. Love your videos, keep up the good work.
I may finally by a sharpening system. This is the 3rd excellent review form my 3 most trusted channels.
Fair enough. Just try and remember the "reviewers" had these units sent for free and KC... SELLS them.
This was great...do more of this stuff
Head to head competition is great!
HI GARY!
THANK YOU GARY!
BYE GARY!
Interesting and fun test, well demonstrated process and results, good job gents.
I'm hoping you'll do a follow-up video that explains how to avoid rounding the tip with the precision pro and keeping the heel nice, which Thomas was worried about.
And yes, they seemed to think of everything with that lean, haha.
Thank you KnifeCenter Family!
Great review, but I'd love to see a comparison with the Ken Onion with blade grinding attachment, particularly as they're similarly priced.
Great video, Thomas! I have the original including the "elite" upgrade, and I think the Pro is great, but too expensive for me.
Great video! Interesting to watch the differences. Would be a fun video is to show how to sharpen with an old pedal wheel grinder.
Civvivi Conspirator is my first and so far only Nitro V knife. It is the sharpest out of the box I ever had. WTG Nomad EDC is pretty much the only polished edge knife I have. I am considering if the high dollar unit will actually be smart to enhance my ownership experience with these two!
Thank you Gary!
Well, well, well, we finally got a look at Thomas great to finally get a look at the man behind the camera, great video guys!
Good job Thomas, David, and Seth
Nice comparison, thank you.
Ken Onion and Edge Pro,perfect combo. Although now I'm looking at Pro PA
I love how Thomas’s final review/thoughts were done off camera in traditional Thomas fashion.
Reminds me of the Lansky knife sharpener. I still use it when needed. And I got it in Atlanta the the Worlds Biggest Knife Show. It’ll last me a lifetime.
You guys did good here. Thank you.
DCA and Thomas both a legend 🤘🏻
I just got my new Worksharp Professional precion adjust sharpener today. I just wish mine came with the work mat but it didn't. I can not wait to have some time to use my new sharpener.
Great video gentlemen. We got Thomas on the front side of the videoscope. And Seth? If they ever make a movie featuring Mark Twain, Seth needs to audition.
Wondering if you could do a quick vid on that custom made belt grinder. Looks very nice, and interesting choice to have one with platen and other slack belt. Good video.
I was lucky enough to get #30 of the first batch. I used to use a lansky and a spyderco tri-sharp. This made my work knife (Buck 286 420hc) And my brous (D@) AMAZINGLY SHARP.
Was clearing some terrible vines and my machete sheath had broken. Believe it or not, the reprofiled to 22.5 degree edge on that pocket knife was gutiing , “Virginia barb wire,” wild strawberry and other vines all day and can still slice paper extremely well.
For most my sharpening I use my Ken Onion Blade grinding (Elite Grinding Solution) system. I like using the firm belts when repairing or re-profiling edge on knife. For higher end knives I finish with cloth stropping belts one with green compound and one with red compound for polishing. I have ordered the Professional Precision Adjust. I also have TSPROF Blitz pro but I had to buy digital angle finder to use for setting edge angle.
I've had my blitz360 for a couple years and love it, but recently bought the Kadet Pro for bigger blade. I Kadet is great, but of all the sharpeners available, I think the Blitz by far has the best system for flipping the knife.
This workshop unit looks to be priced appropriately, but the flimsy clamp and proprietary stones is a non starter for me.
Please do a video on the ken onion grinder attachment and use please
Thumbs up to the guy that hand sharpened with wet stones!!
Awesome video! (Nice Seiko by the way DCA. I have the same one with blue/black bezel)
Thank you for your review!
I personally use a bit of a mix when it comes to sharpening. Over the years I've grabbed all sorts of tools and gadgets - the good, the bad & the ugly. The two items however that really helped me improve my sharpening: 1. a good magnifying glass so that I can really see my edges up close & better assess what I need to do (cost about AU$10) and 2. a digital inclinometer to ensure accurate and consistent blade angles (cost about AU$40). Sharp blades all.
Agreed on the magnification. I just bought a digital microscope to *really* be able to see exactly what's going on with the edges.
...first time hearing of an "inclinometer" ...does that work differently from a digital angle finder?
Best video from knife Center.
I use Wicked Edge Sharpening Systems and as far as I know, it is by far the best. Probably the most expensive, and it is a beast, but if I’m sharpening my kitchen knives or Chaves, I want the best. Plus WE does both sides of the edge at the same time. Razor edge in 15 minutes. I wish you had included it.
Thanks Gary!
Can confirm the Ken Onion with 1x20" belt attachment is a fantastic sharpener.
Awesome! Video ..Thank you for sharing
Wonder if it will sharpen my big knives such as my work tuff gear puzon. Will it handle thick knives?
Great video!!!! Nice job guys
I really like that sink brigde.. Anyone know where I can get it ? (:
🔪Last year I got a Project Farm recommended Lansky Sharpening System which has a similar form to the original WorkSharp. I’m wondering if you’ve used it and have any recommendations for getting the best results. Thanks!
Of course Seth does his freehand. Wonderful show, gentlemen.
Well done, I'm in for one.
i would've gone like 12 degrees if the testing was a push cut and some paper. either way, great job by all. I use diamond stones and sometimes finish on a ceramic and use a piece of scrap leather with the smallest amount of green compound for a strop. #400>#800>strop takes me less than ten minutes for a
37 minutes per knife? I was just about to pull the trigger on this, but now the electric Ken Onion version is looking kind of interesting to me for my common uses of mostly kitchen knives and an occasional pocket knife that needs sharpening. It has the bonus of being able to sharpen tools if needed. I'd love to see that one in the shootout.
I have the WS Ken Onion. It is good, but tough to use on smaller blades (less than 2.5 inches) and achieve a consistent edge. Also, anything below 20 deg is not great. I have a Lansky and a few other fixed-angle sharpeners. If I have the time, the fixed-edge sharpeners give a cleaner and more consistent edge. However, for larger blades (like kitchen) and at 20 deg, the Ken Onion does a nice job. Now, for tools, the Ken Onion is great. I use a 3rd party 180 grit belt on my KO and my lawn mower blade is done faster than it takes to take it on and off the mower
Good work gentlemen
I have my hands on the Pro PA and like it quite a bit. I've used the Precision Adjust for several hundred blades before it, and with some community-driven pieces, I can get a bit better looking edge wit the original, but sure that those will end up coming to the new system as well.
On my Pro PA, the ceramic seems to be a bit lower grit than the older one, and the feel and deposit pattern makes me think it's not perfectly flat. Slightly disappointing as you have to rely on the strop for a lot longer to get a decent polish on the edge.
The other thing is a bit of a tradeoff. The stones are much larger in width and height on the Pro PA. That makes a lot of jobs quicker, but can hamper you from correctly sharpening some recurves that the 1/2" stones on the old one handled quite well. That, and the larger stones are a bit more unwieldy, so it's easier to accidentally hit the plunge grind on some blades (practice and patience helps with that).
thanks for useful feedback!
Hey, just wondering how long the diamond stones for the original PA last for? Like how many sharpenings can you expect to get out of it?
My copy is still in the mail but I am aware of one shortcoming. The most coarse plate that comes with it is 220 grit. It should come with an additional 120 grit as the finest grit. Similarly, the most fine grit is 880 when it should have an additional 1000 grit.
First they said to buy their belt sharpener.
Then they said to buy the Ken onion bc it fixes all the problems with the other one.
Not long after they said to really get it right you should buy the belt grinder attachment so the Ken onion will work better.
All of a sudden you don't need any of that stuff, you need our Precision Adjust sharpener. This really is the one.
But it wasn't so you spent mire money on 3d printed parts to fix all the flaws.
Worksharp to the rescue with the Elite Precision Adjust Sharpener. This is really really the one you need. It upgrades the one that was the one and now this is the one.
Then they gave your maxed out credit card a break for a minute so you could forget everything else they told you for years and buy the PRO PRECISION ADJUST SHARPENER. We swear. This really really is the very last one. Just 300 more of your hard earned dollars. Put the last 1290.00 of stuff we sold you on ebay and give us 300 more.
So where is your design, testing, build and marketing of your perfect sharpner that your all-knowing self has made?
@@Hepta.Asteras ask your mom
duh...teenager, troll@@GertTown
I want to see someone tackle a PM2, on one of the Work sharp clamp systems
I wondered when your larger than average size hands was going to get a hold of this! As always thanks for the great content and feeding my healthy addiction!
I'm sure that everybody likes DCA! I sure find him relatable! He likes knives like me and has some things he likes about knives that I share in liking. It's great KC has him!
@@ssunfish Ummm... no comment
Well that was an unexpected pleasure on a Monday!
Would love if you all started adding 4k content.
Mad skills all the way around.
So good to see Thomas on camera again. He needs monthly spot
Got my worksharp original with all the extra grits last year, and I get all my knives so sharp they scare me. The things awesome
Can you compare the Work Sharp Pro Precision, or the Precision Adjust to the Angle Set version?
You know what? I bet a gangload of guys get the $250 unit and do ALL their knife collection and re-fall in love with previous favorites! I bet the guys that had so called burt-edges find out the good temper beyond the factory edge and get WOW'D and the amateur knife sharpeners that bought so many knives for so many years learn that they have a great treasure in knives!!!!!! This unit then would be a HUGE bargain!!! Makes your collection new and better!!!