Jim Cornette on Confirming Wrestling Was A Work
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- čas přidán 28. 01. 2022
- From Episode 228 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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Let me tell ya. I lived and breathe wrestling in the 80's. I used to go to Carlos Colon wrestling promotion in Puerto Rico almost every Saturday. I've seen the greatest legends of wrestling work. I thought wrestling was real. I hated Abdullah The Butcher, The Iron Sheik and Ric Flair with every fiber of my being. I ran away in fear when Bruiser Brody would come into the crowd and be in total awe when Andre The Giant came to the ring. Thinking wrestling was real was one of the greatest and fascinating feelings I ever had in my life.
Why aren't you more upset? So many lies!! I'm a early 90s kid so we knew it wasn't totally real but never thought it was 100% work.
I was the opposite sadly. Never even had a santa clause phase with it. Idk if by the 90s it was just that obvious, but it was always presented to me as "fake". I think at the time plenty of parents justified letting their kids watch it because it wasn't "real".
I'm a child of the 80s, so the idea of wrestling being "real" is not as powerful to me as it is to older generations, but when I was a kid I did still believe it was more or less as I was seeing it. Sure, some of the stuff was silly and obviously done for show, but I thought it was mostly real.
The way I figured out wrestling was a work was this: I used to wrestle with my little brother on my parents' bed. He was a lot younger and smaller, so I could do all the various bodyslams and such to him pretty easily. In the course of figuring out how to do a Tombstone, because the Undertaker had just debuted not long before, I was going through the move and actually thinking to myself, okay, so I hold him like this, then drop down, but hold his head up so his neck doesn't actually hit the.... and then the light bulb went off for me. Ohhh, I'm figuring out how to wrestle without actually hurting the guy, which is exactly the same thing they're doing. In retrospect, it was a slower process, doing all the moves without hurting him, and slowly realising that you could make it look like you were hurting someone without actually doing so, but at the time it really did feel like an actual light bulb moment, when I figured out that they were doing the same thing I was, essentially.
$400 in 1970 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $2,874.25 today
Lolno
Somebody tell Dave Meltzer that wrestling is a work! 🙄
It's still real to him damnit
Dave Meltzer is overrated in my opinion on the wrestling industry. He feels invisible for some who just has a podcast and never wrestled.
@@miky5941 this is the most non-sensical comment ever lmao
Cornette: "Dave, friends have told me you aren't smart to our business."
POCKETS REALLY BEAT POWERHOUSE HOBBS WITH ONE PUNCH! ITS REAL TO ME DAMNIT
Q: “What collectable do you want the most?”
A: Mick Foley’s ear.
You'll be lucky, that edition was limited to five or six at the most.
Kevin Nash's quads?
At least you didn't say Batista D. Ha.
Shawn Michaels' lost smile...
I always enjoy when Jim talks about comics. I’d love to hear his top ten movie list.
Somebody tell Wrestling that Dave Meltzer is a work.
Unappreciated and Underrated Comment 💯✊🏿
Back when the other kids would say it was fake I'd refer to the Guinness Book of World Records (2002?) and show them the picture of Stone Cold Steve Austin under 'Most WWE Championships' in the sports section. Little did my ass know the Guinness gimmick was mostly a work in itself, still unsure why Stone Cold was there for most championships
"Fake ? I said f,u.k !" - Kevin Nash
I think it goes back to the psychology of the wrestlers believing in themselves (A&E Austin segment) and not just trying to sell the Marks.
It's STILL Real To Me Dammit 😤
I started watching it in 1986 at 7 years old. I remember being at a house show in 1988 and seeing good guys and bad guys behind the curtain joking around with each other. They didn't realize the curtain was open a little bit and we could see them. Plus it was also on the other side of the entrance way. But that's when I really learned what it was about.
It's funny how we called them good guys and bad guys back then and rooted for our favorite wrestlers. Plus it was on for an hour on Saturday morning with a big bowl of peanut butter captain crunch cereal. That's when wrestling was fun .
@@jeffmac9642 yup. WWF then American Gladiators came on after .
Promotion, location etc please
@@ricolewis2949 wwf . Providence RI
@@MrJjburgess11 You are a nice guy . I would have cut a heel promo on that guy lol
I will be 50 in April. Back in elementary school, we used to have "debates" whether wrestling was fixed or not.Then by the time Stossel's "20/20" expose on pro-wrestling aired when I was in junior high, most of us were pretty much in agreement that wrestling was a work.
Still, I miss the days when wrestling was governed by state athletic commissions because people did not have a clue as to how this underground "secret society" as Cornette put it really worked. The ability to create an illusion or mystique is among the highest examples of art in my view and that's what pro-wrestling did for many years. I am sure many people asked questions like "could this be real" or "maybe some of it is real" or "did he really hit him"? That *was* the real magic of wrestling back in the day - trying to blur the line between reality and illusion! If you could keep people guessing, then you succeeded in your presentation!
I just turned 38 and I knew the moment I saw prowrestling that it was fake. There was too much cooperation between the two guys on top of the punches not having any heat behind them, among many other things. I was 8 years old. So this would be 1992 ish. So I was uninterested in it until about 1996 where my neighbor was really into it. I started to appreciate the stories, characters and athleticism. Also there was real danger involved. Owen hart dying. DROZ being paralyzed. I appreciated it more like a stunt show. Where they only have one take to get it right. But I was exposed to a lot of fights early as a kid. Growing up there were a lot of fights at my elementary school and honestly, it resembles what MMA looks like today but minus the skills in submission. Just really sloppy MMA. Which I became not only a fan of, but also a student. Taking BJJ and kickboxing classes. Way back in the day they used to train prowrestlers in real shoot holds, I think guys like Hulk Hogan who were trained in the 1970s were the last to be trained in legit shoot techniques. By the 1980s, and 90s, the wrestling schools didnt train any shoot techniques. To go off topic a bit, vince russo gets a lot of shit for the brawl for all which was a shoot, but he knew in the future that people are gonna want to see shoot fighting. It's just our curiosity of who could win in a real fight. That's why MMA/UFC is HUGE these days. It siphoned off a huge portion of fans once wcw closed up in the early 00s, and by 2006 ish. MMA UFC was huge! I went to 3 of those early events.
Exactly. People knew that it was a work, but they did not ravage the suspension of disbelief by talking about it openly.
"Oh shit, Herman's green!"
Out of context is hilarious
Was young when I learned it was a work. Older brothers went to bar and watched the heels and faces getting drunk together.
The Hulk had a whole big run in the 80s being grey. He was slightly smaller and less strong but a lot more intelligent and became an enforcer in Vegas as Joe Fixit. Corny probably didn't have time to read that run as he was probably on the road for Crockett at the time.
Fixit is the best Hulk to me.
Was gonna say this. He probably never read PAD's run.
He also wore old school mobster 3 piece suits including fedora. Sounds dumb but it was actually a cool visual.
The very first issue of Hulk he was technically meant to be grey as well as designed by Stan Lee, but accidentally appeared green sometimes as a coloring issue in the printing process. Then they spun that off as the Joe Fixit version later as an in-universe explanation.
It’s kinda like a kid finding out there’s no Santa Claus. Once you think about it, it’s pretty obvious.
My little brother figured out that wrestling was a work, when he met Mark Henry (who was a heel at the time) in New York, and he was a nice guy to him. He was actually mad that Mark wasn’t bad.
I remember TNA told Jeff Hardy to act like a heel to kids and people freaked out and buried them.
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 that’s so sad
I know it's not gonna happen anymore but I think every wrestler should be in character in public. It's kinda part of the job 🤷♂️
@Random Account MJF is the last of that type.
It's hard for Mark NOT to be a nice guy. Even though it was kept mostly quiet, Mark was THE WWF/E good will ambassador for years. Cena did the Make A Wish stuff, Mark was at Olympic games, and various community events. Titus is now in that spot.
Wonder what happened to Vader's head piece he wore in Japan?
When I got in the business in 2014, I was just a stage hand and street team guy and there were still workers going around telling me not to spill the beans. Like Jim Cornette, I was only more fascinated. At this point I liked the backstage workings more than the in ring and on screen workings. One of my first events, I got to see Christopher Daniels discuss a tag team match with the guys he was working with. I got to see Rikishi do the same with another Polynesian gentleman and I got to see Matt Hardy walk back to the dressing area with the state title and see a manager get grilled for missing a spot to complete a match where the heels were put over.
did you get to meet Vince mcmahon?
If Ya Have The 8-Bit NES Cartridge of "North&South"...
You Have a Sought After NES Game!
(I Shoulda Kept The Cartridge I Once Had My Hands On!...
If I Only Knew Then, What I Know Now.)
If I'd known the vinyl scratchies I collected during my deformative years would command such exorbitant ransom during my degenerate gambling years ... I'd have still ploughed a stylus through them morning, noon and night.
I was shown an old video vhs tape with masked wrestlers breaking it all down. Looked like it was made in the 70’s early 80’s. We already knew at that age but I had an older friend that ran local wrestling and it was a tradition amongst local guys that you had to watch the video before you could enter the locker room. Just typing that out reminds me of douchy and dramatic some people still were in the late 90’s when it came to wrestling. God I love wrestling lol
Grey Hulk: I think he means the Jim Shooter Era Joe Fix It 1980s-early 90s version of the character. That Hulk was smart and sly. Corny was on the road for like 99% of that run.
Huh?! Are u telling me corny was over 18yrs old when he realised wrestling was a work!?
I understand if he is talking about before it was big on t.v but when I was 8yrs old and first watched wrestling I knew without anyone telling me it was a work I even remember arguing with my friend that undertaker didn’t really have powers lol
I didn't know til I was like 12. And even then I didn't understand how alot of it was being done so.
@@markl5998 12yrs old is fine, he was a grown adult though. I don’t get how he couldn’t have known?
Because when Corney was 12 they didn't have guys like the Undertaker around supposedly shooting lightning around, which would have given it away much more easily. He was watching much more grounded guys back in his day who tried to protect the illusion of the business more.
lol cornette explaining this is like kids describing when they were smart about Santa
Jim makes a city guy like me from Boston wish that I was from the south lol
Life in Boston didn't do that for you? My goodness, those accents up there are like nails getting hammered into my ears hahahaaa...BUT, everyone I've known from there has been a good egg, so there's that...be careful rhis weekend...
Most fans always new it was a work, even back in the 60s and 70s. They did not knew the details of how it worked, but the stylized wrestling, the obvious need for heels and babyfaces. I doubt most people thought otherwise even back when it first started.
You seem to be ignoring all of the fan-driven violence that has been pretty well documented from back in the day. People don't typically riot over things they know are fictional.
This guy dropped the word 'revelatory' like it was part of his everyday lingo. Cornette is a legend.
🍿 Just sat down and opened CZcams, this should be interesting
oh shit where are the comments? lol
Haha same and it’s a snow day!
Cornette definitely didn't know until he was in the business a minute
It's still real to 40 year old virgins
OR Red Hulk?
Mr. Cornette, When did you find out that politics was a work?
He still hasn't figure that out yet
What about Red Hulk?
I knew it wasn't real as a kid, but seeing the road warriors come running out and beat the crap out of some bums always looked very real to me....maybe because they were actually hammering on some of those guys. But the moment it hit me that it really was fake as heck was when my dad told me that Sargeant Slaughter was going to be at the horse track. As a kid I did go to the horse track with my dad and he would give me a few bucks to bet or I would just wander around the place looking at the horses so going again wasn't odd for me. So we get there and I go to the seat where my dad is going to be and hang out for a bit...watch a race or two and then I go take off to go watch Slaughter. I get down there and there is almost nobody else there watching so I was really really close to the ring and that wasn't a good thing. You could see the punches clearly not landing, but the guy still reacting like he got hit and some were not even close to hitting. I walked back up to where my dad was all pissed off and when he asked me about the wrestling I ripped into Slaughter and told my dad how bad it was and that I could've done better. It's funny how I never factored in the fact that it's being held at a horse track instead of MSG....it was a name I knew so I expected it to look as good as on TV.
What was worse; the Curtain Call or Santino not selling da Boogeyman?
Dude Jim isn’t on CZcams this is uploaded by other people
@@MaxDeGrandis You think?
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 dude the guy edited his comment he legit asked him a ?
@Hidden Sword dude they both were big deals because it’s still like a fucking magic show, just because you know it’s not really cutting a person in a half the putting it back together, you don’t show behind the scenes and Jim’s old school plus HHH said sorry to Jim. Santino got a job because cornette slapped him
@Hidden Sword I’m mainly talking shlut e curtain call, santina is another example of how immigrant’s can cry poor me and get a high paying job but they guy tries to brag about how much of a bad ass he is in real life. You make no sense the crowd example because if I’m training to be a CDL driver and I make a mistake on the road with a trainer and there’s nobody on the road, does that mean it’s not a big deal? You went to OVW to “learn” and he wasn’t even in the class yet
The confirmation point for me ...PWI Arena Reports ...Big John Studd beats Hulk Hogan by countout , Barry Windham and Mike Rotondo beat The Iron Shiek and Nikolai Volkoff in a Texas Tornado match and Greg Valentine beats Tito Santana in a lumberjack match....all on the sane card ...in Philly, in Boston, in New York and in Toronto all in the same month.
I always knew but still enjoyed they were bodybuilding circus magician actors. Just like Santa Claus, gotta let go some day. Explain flying reindeer to a child with the power of Google when they pop out now one in hand.
Starting in late 1946, Strangler Lewis began marketing workout bands (light or heavy tension) w/ hand grips through his Akron-based business -- Strangler Lewis Health Builder. There was also an order form doubling as a pamphlet that explained various exercises. As such memorabilia goes......there are probably a few autographed pamphlets just waiting to be discovered in boxes of stuff that families have accumulated for countless decades.
The PSA has an example of said autographed pamphlet on their site. Doesn’t give any info unfortunately to the collection it’s a part of or any particular history but it appears to be in remarkable condition.
I figured out wrestling was predetermined the first time I started going to live events (age 12-13). We always had decent seats and you could see the punches being ever so slightly pulled. Could hear some spot calls as well.
It had to be just an American thing. Absolutely nobody in the UK, even at the age of 5, believed Professional Wrestling was a legitimate contest.
Wrong on both counts. Most Americans grew up knowing that wrestling was fake. I would say that about the same percentage of Americans and Brits believed wrestling was real. Over the years I've seen comments from Brits who thought Big Daddy was legit.
The one collectable I want is Velvet Sky's phone number .
I want one of Terry Funk's branding irons, a Ric Flair robe and a Piper kilt.
He's killing the business!
I literally burst out laughing.
My parents told me as a kid wrestling was fake, I watched for years thinking, this ain't fake, these dudes are killing each other.. I stopped watching for a few years after I found out, I was so disappointed
A green Hulk! Sounds like Ryback. 🤣
Oof. Bruh. 😏
🥱
Carny is as Carny does
There was actually something about that Hulk number one where the printing machine messed up the colors and that was why they ended up having to change him green! (The printers they had and colors they had could not get the color they wanted)
Herman Munster's original make-up in the B&W T.V. show was a light violet. They did switch to all B&W film during filming to save money, the first episodes Herman is green, when they switched, the make-up artist changed it, so it'll pick up better on the film stock.
Some of us , our favorite colour is Grey. So Jim please don't be sour and bitter
Even in the 80s when it came clear that it was all a work. BUT I TOO NEVER CARED I JUST LOVED WRESTLING THAT MUCH.
Dude how did you know it was a work
People still think the nfl isn't a work
Bobby Heenan mouthing other ppls words was proof enough for me
A copy of Action Comics #1 went for $3.2 million on eBay in 2014.
What the helll
Wrestling's a work?
And btw...what does work mean?
Great to some early am Jim during this snow storm in Boston, MA! Jim has talked about how he found out so many times if you’re a regular listener!
Stay safe . I think here in Toronto we are getting the back end of your storm Weds or Thursday next week.
@@johngallagher72 oh it’s not snowing in Canada? That’s a surprise lol you guys get it worse than us so we’ll be fine it is a bad blizzard but they canceled everything on my only day off haha
If you think about it wrestling has to be a work or it would not make any sense
Jim said it well, looking back I think that discovering wrestling was a work also just increased my interest
It was the other way around for me too. The whole world is a work and wrestling amplified that for me when I discovered it. ‘Twas enlightening as a kid.
Yes wrestling is pre determined. But I call it a sport through the dedication and pain these athletes have to go through night after night and day after day . Some won’t agree. But I will think how I wish .
One thing I always question is if it’s so hard on their bodies why do guys consistently wrestle well into the mid to late 40’s and even 50’s, just like the rest of the business I think the damage they endure is a little hammed up.
As long as they didnt suffer any catastrophic injury they can still go until their 40s and 50s and even with modern medicine, surgeries can fix almost everything. So they force themselves. Hogan forced himself for years. So did terry funk. They're tough. But yeah its hammed up a bit.
That still doesn't make it a sport.
If you watch it like a sport then, to the viewer at least, it is a sport. You're still picking a winner, there's rules and rewards to those that climb the ladder. Basically to those in the ring it's not, or at best a sport with shady practices lol, but to the viewer who isn't involved in any of the planning, it's a sport
@@orangemaniabrother2232 With that logic, being a retail employee is also a sport. lol
My Mom told me it wasn't real soon after my brother and I discovered WWF syndicated programming in the late 80's. Specifically, it was when I excitedly told her of one guy piledriving another guy on his head. She remembered when wrestling was huge on TV in the 50's.
I've always thought a pair of Dorothy's ruby slippers from The Wizard of Oz would be the ultimate collectable. But The Mona Lisa probably has it beat.
Actions comics #1 I agree with Jim I would love that comic
I started to figure out wrestling was a work when I watched the Triple H return VHS in 2002 and there's a part where Jericho says he didn't wanna put the Walls on Triple H after he tore his quad and Triple H tells him to do it. My 9 year old mind was very confused by this.
I figured out it was a work long before i actually became involved in wrestling myself but even before becoming a performer I was super protective of wrestling and still tried to sell it as real to my friends and my boyfriend's friends, and to my knowledge successfully.
.. I couldn't do that these days 😒 (except with regards to Ronda who seems to be better at making wrestling believable that most of the actual pro wrestling careerists in the business these days)
I was in the sixth grade when one of my friends told us that it fake because his dad walked into a bar and saw the heels and faces drinking beers together, suffices to say we still beat the hell out of him for such blastimy.
Yes you can never let blastimy stand!
You had no other choice, you had to protect the business.
Clearly the confused ramblings of a habitual drunk.
That doesn't mean wrestling is a work, it means someone is about to turn heel.
That's good shit, pal.
I Been Watching Pro Wrestling Since 1980, When I Was 7 Years Old, I Love The Business When I Thought It Wasn't A Work, I Love It When I Found Out It's A Work
I began watching Roller Derby when I was in the first grade and I didn't realize it was a work until many years later.
I started watching wrestling around the third grade and my older siblings, parents, granddad, friends' parents, would constantly tell me it was fake. It doesn't take someone in the business to smarten you up about wrestling. It's surprising Cornette was never smartened up while growing up.
Corny grew up in the 60s. Wrestling wasn't commonly known to be a work until a few decades later. Not to say some outsiders didn't figure it out, but it certainly wasn't common knowledge back then.
@@Myrridan19 I grew up in the 50s and 60s. Nobody around me believed it was "real". We just enjoyed it. Maybe the South was different but it cracks me up listening to Cornette believing he was really fooling anybody. I think he has kayfabed himself for a lifetime
It's so ridiculous that anybody would think, even in the 70s that wrestling was real. Hell, journalists had exposed the "business" as early as the 30s. Knowing the behind the scenes stuff is different. But no, Jimmy, wrestling was not and never will be a secret society.
No plenty of people thought it was real up until the 2010s when the WWE exposed the business on social media
Regardless of work, pre-determined outcomes, etc..when executed properly, Professional Wrestling is the greatest sport on earth. In terms of memorabilia...I once saw a video on YT with Minoru Suzuki showing a Push Up Board autographed by Karl Gotch.
lmao
My parents told me wrestling was a work the first time I watched it on TV in the mid/late 60's. I guess they didn't want their son to be a mark. I was less than 10 years old at the time. It was kind on empowering in that I was in on something that many adults weren't in on. Gave me a healthy dose of skepticism related to adult authority watching grownups being fooled and losing their shit over something I knew to be a put on. It only made me appreciate and enjoy pro wrestling all the more.
This is a complete lie lmao. You weren’t 10 with a better understanding of the nuances of a work than fully grown adults. Children’s brains don’t work that way. Most people knew wrestling was a work by then anyways, the skepticism only stayed alive as long as it did because MMA wasn’t prominent at the time so people didn’t know what real hand to hand combat looked like besides boxing which was only punching so wrestling was the closest thing to a real life fight. That’s why it drew so much money as well. It was a spectacle. Your parents didn’t “not want you to be a mark” that wasn’t a thing back then… people weren’t referred to as “marks” and people didn’t smarten people up to the business in the 60’s for fear of them being “marks” if anything you were a mark for stooging anything about the business and it was still a fraternity. In Japan back then and thru the 80’s they blended works with shoots so there was still skepticism but by the 80’s everyone knew it was a work but it was still somewhat unspoken even in the mainstream.
@@blackphillip2264 What am I lying about?! On first viewing my parents told me wrestling wasn't "real". At the time I used to "mark out" watching Bruce Lee's fight scenes on the Green Hornet. My parents told me wrestling was much the same, and don't be fooled. Of course they didn't use the term "mark". I'm certain I would have figured it out soon enough on my own. I think they did the responsible thing. I'm sure they didn't give a rat's ass about upholding the sanctity of "the business". BTW, Giant Baba was a big attraction in my region those days.
How could you not see wrestling is a shoot! Even back in the day we knew anyone over 6 years old knew it was a work!
I think everyone knows, but there were those who enjoyed the illusion anyway. Not everybody felt they had to pull on Santa's beard.
I didn’t care after I figured out it’s a work. It just made me a bigger fan because of all the work that they putting into the matches entertaining me. Nothing but respect for wrestlers in this business.
Corny!!!!!
I remember as a kid being confounded by the dearth of wrestling coverage in father's crappy 'newspaper'. Sure, I enjoyed the abundance of football content but there was a glaring omission here - a room conspicuously devoid of elephant. I petitioned the old fool and, rather than reflect on the dubious merits of his reading preferences, he concocted some outrageous yarn about, "That's because it's not real."
Wrestling needs to protect kayfabe and stop exposing the business on the internet and social media !!! People didn’t know it was fake during the attitude era and that’s why it worked so well.
People knew it was a work by the attitude era, the product was good enough that people didn’t care.
Oh, you are funny.
But knowing it's a work is not the same thing as WWE hitting you over the head with that fact every 30 seconds.
It's Too Late My Friend The Pandora Box Been Opened. The Exposure And Internet Took The Fun And Mystery Out Of Wrestling
I was around during that time Vince said in 1997 we know you are tired of your intelligence being insulted. That’s not something you would say if your audience believed the show was real.
I'm pretty sure everyone knew wrestling was a work by the Attitude Era lmao, there were all kinds of winks and nods to things that happened behind the scenes and they liked to blur the lines between reality and storyline all the time back then. Hell the Attitude Era arguably kicked off when Vince went on TV and basically admitted that wrestling is scripted lol. Most people knew that wrestling is staged by the mid 80s if not the early 90s. If you wanted to go back to the days when kayfabe was in full swing you would have to go back to the 70s or early 80s.
He's talking like the overwhelming majority of people did not know wrestling is a work.
It kinda had to be, if wrestling was supposedly 'real' like non wrestling fans would like to be, guys would just be injured all the time and retiring very early and you wouldn't have stars like Hogan or Rock or Austin, there wouldn't be any point.. They are there to make money at the end of the day, bottom line.
Lol… Did he just call wrestling a secret society? 🤫
NO SURPRISE on wrestling s a " work ! " Any kid whose been a fight ( s ) with another person soon realizes what Pro Wrestling is . No one bleeds , bruises m cuts as in actual confrontations the general public has .. Pro wrestlers are trained how NOT to purposely injure themselves or opponents . Yes injuries happen . The old gays of someone getting beaten up a Pro Wrestler for calling it " fake " today is uncalled for . Instead get 2 guys / gals who say It s fake >> Put BOTH of them in the ring together , have them fight Pro Wrestling styles .. >>GET THE AMBLUANCES READY > They d be needing medical attentions of the worse kind . Imagine them lifting 200 lbs over ur head easily , or top rope leaps w catches / summersaults ??? Broken bones ,or death on the spot .. Gorilla Monsson best answered this decades ago ,on ankles / arm holds , " Sure U can break his foot ,or arm s , but U JUST dom t ! Its sports ! " Sometimes , I wonder how many Jobbers double as Hollywood Stunt Persons . Thrown punches by both professions seem familiar . ONE THING > I don t why MSG s end match w HH H & The Clique s embrace after match , saying they exposed the biz , when the fans know what Pro Wrestling s was then n now ? What happened to Sportsmanship ? That what is what n that WAS REAL !!! Heels or babyfaces > Pro Wrestling s a Sport of highly skilled Athlete s bar none ! Yes the biz of Wrestling s Entertainment n Sport !