DAVID WAGNER TELLS FANS TO 'STAY AT HOME' - NORWICH CITY 4-2 WATFORD
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- čas přidán 12. 02. 2024
- Jack reflects on Norwich City's 4-2 win against Watford at Carrow Road
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I think Wagner had every right to stick up for himself today. Booing mid-game is bad enough, but to do it whilst we're winning is classless. In the end, he knew best and a lot of fans had to eat a hefty serving of humble pie. Hopefully this experience will make fans think twice before booing ahead of full time in future
No, he did not know best. He went defensive. They brought on 3 forwards and started ripping us to shreds. Only a moment of brilliance from Barnes with luck and world class finish from Sara we got the lead back. The substitutions were poor and weak minded. What was he thinking? Shall we defend for 30+ minutes at home at 2-1. Utterly moronic with the subs there. Glad fassnacht scored but we looked weak without a Striker. Barnsley is a CF at best.
Not saying he needs to go at all. He just needs to know when to attack and when to defend.
Well, it drove them on to prove those fans wrong and win. So it was positive. You may want the multi millionaire footballers protected emotionally and wearing pride socks as they hug each other every time they pass one another while telling them what they love in the world, but I want football. Catharsis. Discourse. Please take your fluffy only child football to another club.
The fans booing didn't drive them on, it distracted them for quite some time, you could see it
@@TS-rb2zl one of the worst comments i've seen on this channel. seeking passion from players is one thing, but trying to ridicule players for supporting eachother and others is just not on.
It is a section of fans who are creating a toxic atmosphere, not Wagner. I admire him for standing up to them. Its pretty clear whose side the players are on. Yet to see you unreservedly back him, Jack, but I think the time is right to do so.
Back DW completely on this issue. Some of the crowd last night were bang out of order. Entitled consumers rather than supporters.
Like many others, I have often been bemused by some of Wagner’s substitutions of late. However, if we look at recent results, there is no denying that they often seem to work. I feel a section of the fanbase made their minds up long ago that they wanted him out, and are looking for anything they don’t agree with to justify this position. If fans are prepared to boo while we are winning, they can’t really complain if he bites back (though no doubt they will). In a way he is protecting his players as much as himself - it can’t do much for confidence and team spirit when your fans are booing, particularly when you are ahead.
Whenever I feel that Wagner’s decisions are wrong, I remind myself of two things:
1/ He knows more about the current physical and mental situations concerning his players
2/ There is probably a reason why he is a coach, and I sat behind a computer screen for40 years
👏Well said
Exactly!! All of the above. Some of the “fans” can’t handle the fact that against the odds, DW has turned this around. So everyone should roll with the momentum. Look at the scummers down the road? If anyone needs to be booing it’s them!!
Booing a winning team and manager is ridiculous. Of course a manager would not want to take off arguably two of the better performing players - but Hernandez and Sargent were carrying injuries and signalled to the bench to come off. Fortunately, we have a reasonable depth of squad with quality players to come on for a shift (and even score!). Also, can’t understand those that say Wagner is to be sacked in the summer regardless!! So, are we saying that IF we get in the playoffs and even promoted we reward the manager with the sack! These are the same people, if they had there way, would have a couple of months ago “sacked Wagner, written off the season, bring in a temporary manager and look for a new manager in the summer”. Yeah, great plan!! Come on City!!!
The booing was embarrassing and epitomised what I hate about our fan base. Support the team or watch from your armchair. We as fans have a right to express anger or frustration. But only when it’s justifiable to do so.
100 percent agree - the typical “entitlement” mentality from many Norwich fans who have no clue about how a squad needs to be worked in a long tough championship season.
well said
You hate that people pay for something and don't enjoy it, and when they make their feelings known the players prove them wrong and win the game? You have a very interesting view of the world. Have you asked for a safe space in the stadium?
@@TS-rb2zl That’s the exact narrative that most people who booed are now trying to spin on social media and it’s incredibly self righteous which is ‘my booing helped the team win’… with that level of cognitive dissonance and ignorance no wonder Wagner is finally sticking up for himself. We lose that game last night and I’d protect any fans right to boo at full time. But to do it whilst we’re winning to protect further injuries (now Rowe is out for 2 months) is embarrassing and wrong.
@@Lament.. Exactly, if we lose that game 2-3 by all means make your feelings clear. Me personally, I've never booed after a game in my life. It solves nothing.
Can you imagine playing in a atmosphere like that. There is no place for booing your own team, the manager is in place and not being replaced so be positive and support the team. If supporters can't do that stay at home.
He didn't tell fans to stay home. He told the whiners to
Yeah but then Jack would have to admit he’s a whiner
Clickbait titles keep him in doughnuts though
Owners and Manager having a go at the fans is not acceptable. Hopefully I will still be going when they have all gone.
@roryglives when the manager sees the effect of the booing on players in the dressing room he's perfectly entitled to point it out.
@@roryglives What Wagner said was fair. We don't get to know what's happened regarding decision making until the end of the match, so why boo to something that in long run turned out fine. If later after a loss and Wagner coming out and saying he just felt like the subs, then the people annoyed can complain. But we have learned that there was a reason regarding the subs so those that boo'd should feel sorry, and the game worked out anyway. The boos regarding something needed, impacted the players.
I think Wagner was right entirely in terms of management. Wagner’s comments post match should be taken as a man who is trying his best to get results together for the football club. He must be under a huge amount of stress to perform. He know’s he’s not here next season, but for him to get passionate, it says to me that despite knowing his time with this club is limited, he is trying his all.
Together as fans, we need to take it on the chin and move on. Get behind them all (including Wagner) on Saturday and use the emotion to build a buzzing atmosphere.
OTBC💛💚
Threadbare squad with too many players struggling for fitness. Rowe too! Don't boo until the final whistle - it lacks class at the very least and does affect the players on the pitch.
@@peterblois5421 exactly, Onel and Sarge not 100%, Rowe out for months possibly the rest of the season. One injury to our midfield or attack and we’re in the dirt. I do think this is probably do or die in terms of integrating youth players into the match day squad, a little experience for maybe 3 or 4 players and we’ll be in a far better position if we do get further injuries
Who says he’s not here next season? You need to be careful what you wish for. I hope he is here next season whatever division we are in.
It drove them on to prove them wrong and win the game, so I could EASILY argue it was the ideal time to boo. @@peterblois5421
I feel we can get a better coach but we have had far worse in the past.
The booing and chanting was embarrassing. I felt like it made us look really unintelligent.
Our fans have got to stop thinking they know more about the fittest of players and respect the fact David and his team have spent many more hours with the players than the 1.5 we get to watch on match day. We have a fittest/rehab team for a reason, and quite rightly the manager follows their guidance.
Josh was clearly struggling from about the 35th minute. I've heard fans say they wanted Van Hoojdonk on. His fittest isn't there yet. It was clear to see when he did come on, it's going to take time. Just like Wagner has said.
I'm disappointed this victory has been a little tarnished by the booing. Wagner was right to say what he said. He's taken a lot of criticism extremely professionally and it was time for him to say enough is enough.
Sargent was out for four months. He's hardly going to play a full 90 minutes straight away. Surely the majority of fans know this? I listened to the radio commentary and Chris Goreham pointed out that Sargent made gestures to the fans that they should calm down. I wonder how the booing brigade feel about the match result?
Wagner is spot on, but the fans weren't to know why subs were being made so was misinterpreted as tactical. His message is to back the players and put trust in him, and I think he has earnt it personally.
Surely no Manager, knowing two of his top players are showing signs of struggling, would leave them on the pitch. It seems to me that Mr Wagner was right in his actions. I’m sure he would have been happier to have Sergent and Hernandez fully fit for the rest of this match but he
has responsibilities to consider the next games. The fans don’t have those same responsibilities. With Rowe already sidelined it would have been suicidal to risk losing two more players. It seems he was vindicated as one of his substitutes scored the fourth goal.
Interesting Wagner said that after the match the players were talking more about the booing than the win - goes to show how much of an impact this can have on the players and it was obvious when their confidence plummeted.
Not really the fans fault the players lack mentality
Was such a satisfying win, so glad I went to watch it, after how they did us over at their ground
Good supporters lift a team and appreciate effort. Passing back to the goalie can help the team to settle. The opposition will boo but the home supporters shouldn't. Results in the championship are something of a lottery. It's very up and down. Anyone can put a run together. Support can help a team to over achieve.
Spot on there is always another 11 men trying to stop us.
The fans who have been booing are PATHETIC. Is Kenny better than Oli Skipp? No. Is Josh better than a Grant Holt? No. Is Sara better than Emi? No. So WHY boo the players when we’re winning?! These fans clearly don’t actually watch the other teams in the championship as we’re not even close to the top 4 (WBA) in terms of quality. We need to have a huge reality check and ask those to stay away who can’t back our players when winning.
Absolutely spot on they not supporters you stay with your team to the end. You Jack even wanted DW to go until things were going well. If you look back in some of you videos I support the team & the manager win lose or draw. Everyone knows its really hard in this league to even go on a run. Norwich v Ipswich play offs 👍😆
I've been as annoyed as any one with him this season but at least wait for the end of the game to boo. Some fans want him out and they actually want him to fail.
Performances have improved, We're winning games, but that's still not enough for some people? Fans can have their opinion, but so can the manager, and this time, he was spot on! Trust the manager or get your coaching badges and become a manager yourself. Support the team, not boo them as they come on!?
Wow! Really pleased to see the line most people are taking in the comments. Back the manager, back the team!
Seems some of Norwich fans would rather be right than win.
I'm with DW on this one. Not helpful for the players. Let's get behind the team.
But they won. The messaging just doesn't make sense here.
The fans should not boo their own team. The Carrow road crowd is also too quiet particularly when the team are struggling. In fact it’s just about only the Barclay that makes any noise. So often you hear the visiting fans sing “ your support is totally shit”! Credit to Wagner for speaking the truth.
It's been a mixed season, terrible at times, but we're now in the playoffs. Regardless of how we've got there, booing mid game when we're ahead is absolutely moronic and shows how entitled some fans are. It's as good a time as ever to freshen up the fan base and hopefully some of the knuckle draggers won't renew.
The substitutions were perfect, Nuñez came on and did really well in midfield, which pushed Sara further forward resulting in him scoring.. surprisingly the man getting paid to manage the football team knows more than the morons moaning at him from the stands
Good for Wagner. He’s been nothing but professional in the face of the criticism, but we’re winning more often than we aren’t at the moment and are into the top six, so I understand him biting back. It’s a two-way street after all.
Get well soon Johnny Rowe. On the plus side we still found a way to win without him 💛💚
We're in the playoffs. That despite injuries to key players in the first half of the season. And still in this video, Jack, through gritted teeth, you're saying let's get behind Wagner and the team. C'mon, where's the can-do? Where's the positive mindset? We should be truly (genuinely, not half arsed) supporting the club. The "is Wagner the right manager" is for later, once we see the final position. Btw we've also forgotten the genius effect the subs had in the Coventry game! Anyway, onwards, OTBC!
Totally agree with Wagner, the booing idiots should be ashamed and stay away. Booing a winning team on a great playoff push is just pathetic.
I know, right. They should be so ashamed they pushed the players to react and win the game. What awful people. You are calling others idiots when you can't see the obvious?
@@TS-rb2zl The booing was unjustified in this case, and no way did it spur the team on.
The first game I ever went to was Watford at home last year, I’m just glad we managed to beat them this time,
Thank you for giving a much more balanced view of the present goongs on. I have been very critical of the other podcast which is totally one sided Into the top six and booing for goodness sake stop it. Always remember this, There is another team on the pitch trying to stop us in the same way we are trying to win the game. And we are trying to stop them. Thats the beauty of the game It is never easy. Thanks again
It is about time that "supporters" acknowledged that the manager just might understand the game better than they do.
All this animosity is pointless! Perhaps it is a reflection on the emptiness in some people's lives that they have to vent their discontent in this mindless manner.
I want to preface by saying that I am just an overseas supporter so I cannot claim to have anything more than a distant view of what's going on at Carrow Road or fully grasp the prevailing sentiment among NCFC supporters. But for me, the 23-24 NCFC season was encapsulated in what transpired this evening. Everything that has beguiled or befuddled me or the any other fan was featured tonight - individual displays of talent, glimpses of offensive proficiency, baffling defense, shoddy, inconsistent play, and yes, even the debatable coaching display in second half tactics and substitutes which elicited a negative fan response and reaggravated what I assume is an unresolved tension between the people who run the club and the supporters whose passion and patronage keep NCFC afloat. Everything that was right and wrong with Norwich City in 23-24 was on display for 90+ minutes. What on paper should be a 4-2 home win against a decent opponent is instead an imbroglio of disconnect and mixed messaging between club and supporter. It is not my place to comment on the booing but Jack mentions "blind faith" and I wonder if the last few years of relegations and off-pitch gaffes have made an agnostic of more than a few believers.
An excellent and well balanced view of the game. Time to get behind Wagner and the players. All booing does is give opposition teams a lift. Otbc !
Look ! The players seem to play for the manager . Yes we had a bad start to the season! We are now 6th .
The manager has the right to stand up and bite back the few critical fans .
I’m looking forward to to the next few games .
Lets support the team and the manager, he isn't my choice manager and would like a change if we dont get promotion, but im basing the change on that i dont rhink he is the man for norwich and not because he simply didnt get us promoted.
Cmon lads lets get behind em!
Firstly, a welcomed win and 3 pts. I feel we need another season in the championship and use the closed season to make some much needed changes to the squad, certainly in defence. Hopefully 2024/25 will be our season for promotion.
I work with a lot of Germans and have always loved how they operate. Have no issues with Wagner (nor with Farke) and would gladly take German coaches for the foreseeable future. Yes, the odd player like Todd Cantwell might get bent out of shape, but Germans are ruthless and that’s what’s needed to bring success.
Ruthless?
So ruthless they get upset when their team is booed and they go on to win the match. That strikes me as weak minded, not ruthless. I'd be smug on the inside and crack on. No good manager ever sheds light on the fans in such a scenario, especially when the season is still on a knife edge. You just don't do it unless you're over emotional and incapable of handling the basic pressures of being a professional footballer (and the vast sums of money that come with it).
@@TS-rb2zlI don’t see it as weak minded. I see it as telling it as is it. Wagner calling a tool a tool is exactly the opposite of emotional, especially after a win.
Time to back the boys and the manager for the remaining games. Or at the very least until a playoff position is mathematically impossible. Surely we all want the same thing? There have been spells this year where the team and coach have deserved criticism, but we are on a good run at present, with results (if not always performaces) going our way. Fifth highest scorers in the league, unbeaten at home since early Nov, and for now at least, in a playoff position.
Can't blame him. Must get annoying getting criticised over every little thing from people who know nothing.
Clickbait headline. Sad to see this title in an edited version. Very much engineered to fuel the fire. Shame.
TNC likes drama tabloiding things without engaging some neurons
He hasn't fuelled anything. Your desire to see an issue where there isn't one, has.
Probs a mastermind Chris reeve social media strategy tbf 😂
game are always close when we play Watford we normally lose but to get a win against Watford that’s a statement for me now 🔰
Fans didn't help anyone today
The booing fans that is. In general the Barclay were bouncing brilliantly. And great to have the samba back.
Yes it does, they WON!! Open your eyes.
Absolutely great video, I agree completely, blind faith is the only way 🤘
I agree, actually. I don't like Wagner and pointing at the fans when you've won and the season is on a knife edge is plain moronic, because if it collapses now he looks like an absolute plank. Having said that, I want us to beat Ipswich in the playoffs so we have no choice but to support him.
You said it at the end. Injury to any of our remaining key players now could be disastrous. The injury to JR makes it imperative that the rest stay fit. If that means unpopular substitutions then so be it. I’d rather have Sarge on the pitch for 60 or 70 minutes for the rest of the season than him playing 90 for half a dozen games then hobbling off with a season ending injury.
I don’t get the boo boys at all. We were winning for f*** sake! I disagreed with the decision to sub Sargent with only 55 minutes on the clock but I keep that to myself in the moment because we do not help the players perform well if we create a toxic atmosphere during the game. I can’t remember a time like this before where we will be winning games and everything is going well but things instantly go toxic at the first minor sign of trouble. I really don’t know what is wrong with the fan base right now. If you want to get frustrated with the board fine, I get it but booing the manager mid-game when we’re winning and still fighting for the points is so damned disappointing.
I sit in the Geoffrey Watling and my god, it was easily the loudest the stands been at any time all season. Get some perspective folks…
For Jack to say the manager isn’t competent is an insult. We are punching above our weight. Only 6 players in the squad are good enough for a top 6 place.
Sara
Gunn
Sainz
Sargent
McClean
Rowe
Completely agree.
Wagner said that Onel and Sargent are both injured, if they dont play Saturday we will have issues.
think he is protecting them for that!
It's Cardiff Norwich will batter them
Weird isn’t it.. the Watford player was in motion to clear the ball and Kenny chucks himself infront of him at the last second and gets kicked: penalty. But quite often if a player is winding up for a shot on the edge kf the box and is a player puts their foot infront of them and gets kicked that is usually a free kick to the player that was going to have the shot…
Absolutely mad the amount of times I’ve heard you say “if we lose that it’s probably playoffs gone” / “if we win we’re right in the mix” with 15-20 games left. Absolute nonsense
There’s a segment of our own supporters who could ruin our season COYY
The white knight virtue signallers are out in force.
The fans pay their money and are entitled to boo.....cheer ... applaud not applaud ..etc....The boos...we're not anger...just frustration....at us never being consistent. I'm still angry and upset Idah leaving on loan...it's a joke and very very disrespectful to the player ..and they immediately replace him with a unknown Dutch player....If we make the play offs we will be very lucky ..and if we do get thru and make the final and win...then I'm afraid we will struggle ..to survive the orem...it's a fact ..we need four more players at least with prem experience..The fans are disrespected by the board and now our own manager . Melanie 34...💚💛
I assume fans were not booing the team but frustrations of Sargent being taken off.
After watching at QPR on Saturday where Wagner lost 2 points by his strange subs, fans are bound to be wary of whatever he does.
There used to be a phrase "supporting your team through thick and thin". You talk about supporters having to endure "turgid times"? Compared to what? Derby, Portsmouth, Sheffield Wednesday, Reading etc? How many exciting promotions and Premier league seasons have they had lately? Many similar sized clubs would give their right arm to be in the championship play-off places right now. There used to be another phrase:"fairweather supporters". It's appropriate right now.
Inaccurate dramamaking title - He told the fans booing a substitution to stay at home not "fans" which means ALL fans.
What a drama over nothing anyway. Who cares what he said.
Regarding the substitutions, it seems a strange time to make a change - presumably if players were struggling they could have been changed at half time or later in the match ? , surely starting line up should be fit enough to last more than 55mins ? .
It's hard to believe that Wagner wouldn't have know that some fans wouldn't be happy & their reaction.
if NC hadn't won the game the atmosphere for upcoming games would be poisonous- it seems there's a few supporters that have decided they don't want Wagner & are unwilling to 'back down ' ...
I'm not sure what points you're trying to make - I don't support fans booing - you may have missed this ..
Sargent isn't the best championship striker.
I don't even agree with that tbh. I just don't like to say no to Jack.
Anyone remember a game at Watford. Last game of season. Early 70s?? Norwich top Watford bottom. "Millions" of Norwch fans. "Mile" long stream of coaches leaving Watford. 1 alll draw.
????????
Wagner Take Sargent Off In The 80th Minute
Even if he's injured?!
Maybe just maybe there were supporters from a different club not so far away it does happen and has happened before and living in that area I have heard supporters say that what they are going to do when their team are not playing just saying
About time.them so called fans.got told tell them to put blue and white on and go down the road
I agree with Wagner the fans who booed were embarrassing.
You would, you're another virtue signalling Norwich fan. We won after being booed. I bet that clear and obvious view has really twisted your noddle.
@@TS-rb2zl Stop trolling. You're not very good at it.
Still Wagner out right?
It’s not “discontent” it’s entitlement and I’m so sick of some Norwich “supporters” at this point.
Find another club (who will also boo their manager). Based on that, football isn't for you. You need to find something nicer to watch.
@@TS-rb2zl I’m fine with booing him when it’s warranted, it definitely wasn’t in this case. It was pathetic.
Fans are allowed to have opinions but booing your own team during a match is complete idiocy and it is 💯 very disruptive toxic behaviour.
Have a moan about the subs or whatever after the game
Be ashamed of yourselves great result otbc
Yeah, be ashamed for creating a reaction that won the game. How very shameful.
‘If you lose this then the playoffs are probably gone’ then surely you realise how much the qpr loss cost us
We drew vs QPR
You’re in the play offs and Wagner still isn’t getting any credit. I just don’t get it
He is getting credit, look at the comments in this virtue signalling forum. He got booed mid game, which caused a reaction and we won. Wagner should be smug internally, but instead choose to have a pop at an already dwindling fanbase (the empty seats were the most noticeable all season). Talk about incapable of reading the situation he finds himself in.
Good manager 👍🏴
Good content, whether you agree or not people do find the sub choices baffling
We all want our say but we've got to ask ourselves "does it help"?
I don't want no criticism but give yourself a second before reacting.
Without Jonny Rowe, I don't think we have any chance of staying in the top six, unfortunately 😢
How soon a small band of so called 'fans' forget how things were when Sergeant along with others were injured, I think Wagner deserves some breathing space for getting us back to winning ways, being in the top 6 and who knows, ultimately knocking Town out of the play-offs!
How can.you say you.understand it they not fit now we lose Rowe will everyone get a grip
Wagner may not be the best, but beating WBA, Coventry, Watford, Hull away, Soton draw is an excellent return. We have to stick with it as its all we have got for now.
There's no point booing at all. I don't blame Wagner at all.
So...the Norwich fans boo and get a reaction from the team, but they were wrong to do so. Us Norwich fans, whom many pretend to have an ounce of knowledge and beat others with the virtue signalling bat, can't even see that it worked in our favour on this occasion. I keep reading that booing helps the opposition...what to LOSE?! NCFC fans are a fluffy embarrassment and accept anything nice, hence why we're in this mess. Chase was hounded out for far less.
That’s a shocking comment considering the lack of quality in our squad.
So being in the play offs with at least 6 players being coveted by Premier league clubs for big money is "a mess"?! Do you pass out when you can't find your car keys by any chance? Jesus wept.
Not a "brave comment" from David Wagner but a foolish post match reaction. Sara instead was the one that got his after match comments spot on. Wagner should have said he understands the fans frustrations (bubbling for a long time, not just this season) and that he likes the fans' passions. That would have given him the additional respect he so desires. It's easy for some fans to have a go at other fans for booing but the very fans that are criticising the Barclay in this way are stoking division! Personally I love the Barclay and the passion they have whether that is positive (nearly always) or occasionally negative. One thing is key now, let's get behind the team for the remaining matches. OTBC
It seems that Jack working in journalism is affecting the channel content. "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story".
Fasi's goal was absurd. Seems like he tripped into it.
Some of those goals were woeful
It was an own goal
@@captaincruel8890it was given to Fassnacht I’m pretty sure
@@cameronhansell8367it may well have been incorrectly given to him, yes
Goals are woeful? Are you expecting 35 yard bicycle kicks every week?
Win 4-2- booooo, goals weren't good enough! Boooooooo
Wagner needs to go like 8 weeks ago.
Yeah, he lost his way after Huddersfield and never got back on the path. Unfortunately, we have a lot of white knights and virtue signallers at Norwich that get lots of dopamine hits from getting likes off of the trite lines designed to promote love and unity (when all they do is insult, label and segregate).
Wanger out.
We should stop the moaning and groaning. . You never said a truer word. Set the example
That's iti want him sacked tomorrow you don't have a go at the fans
And then what. Boo the next one as always happens
Have a listen to what he’s said verbatim. I for one enjoy the passion, it show’s he’s not checked out of this club in the slightest. When Dean Smith had a go at the fans it’s because he was getting attacked, when David Wagner has now called out a sub set of our fans, he’s done it our of bettering our results. You can’t paint them with the same brush
Let's support our team /manager. Not sure what some people expect
If you can give it you should be able to take it.
Wagners Wembley wagon rolls on you yellows 😅
He should have kept his mouth shut. Very unprofessional. He knows only the happy clappers like him.