Hey guys, was kinda hyped to get this out to you quick, so put this edit together from my live-stream earlier! Exciting times for Star Citizen right now!
Am I missing something? I had assumed we wouldn’t see this as it was covered by the non-publishing agreement or whatever it’s called? I thought it wasn’t allowed to be shown and that’s why no one else is? Is it different for tech server??
Watching this live was a full on nerdgasm.. This tech, whilst not a brand new design, is revolutionary in this massive scale and with such an advanced game. That much data being managed this well, is efficiency at its all time peak. Nice work CIG, looking forward to the bigger and better iterations of server meshing in the future. Paul Reindell and his team are genius's! Thanks for the showcase Dtox!!!
actually no. Server, code, the polygons themselves nothing is optimized today. If it works like this TODAY, it means that it is not at its best and the margins for improvement on an optimized code have a much higher margin.
This test felt so unreal. I had massive client side performance gains on my machine that I absolutely didn´t expect. The game felt buttery smooth. But after thinking about it for some time it also wasn´t that surprising since that also happened in the old Leski offline build back in ye olden days. As a non evo the first working server recovery was also mind blowing. Sure, stuff broke a lot and it´s a long way from being stable - but it´s working and it brought the boost to server performance that the game needs.
Was really cool being a part of this. Wish I had footage from above of you guys at ghost hollow to show you how smooth and responsive it looked. All movement and tracers/explosions seemed to be 1 to 1. Looking forward to this being optimized
thank you very much for sharing this... having this visual ... insane step for the game... What I notice is - the Server FPS are PRETTY MUCH TRIPPLED... this performance boost is crazy...
I played and it was cool to see. I played later. There was already a patch and servers had been up for 5 hours. Server got down as low as 20 fps in the beginning but was a rock solid 30 fps the rest of the night. I do not know how many people were in my shard but it felt like 150-200. I saw the exact moment I transitioned over to another server and it was flawless. I NEVER would have known if it hadn't been for the debug console telling me. I experienced no 30ks but I did have a bug with my mobiGlas that wouldn't allow me to take any mission. I really wanted to try the NPC AI. Everything just felt like how it should. No delays. Inventory UI is still a little slow but I don't think tat is a server issue. That just needs to be optimized more. I didn't think we would see this until Q4 this year at the earliest! Now, I am going to have to upgrade my machine because I'm clearly the slowest part of this system now. That blows my mind. Biggest issue besides missions was the loading time into the game. Maybe 5-10 minutes. I suspect they turned on allll the debug code.for this so I don't think it was typical. I saw it with my own eyes, on my own computer. I've waited years for this. It works! It was like your best server experience ever. No AI were even standing on furniture. I could not find 1 glitching AI. One of those Refund guys called server meshing snake oil, that it would never work per planet. Though they can never bring themselves to admit it. They'll move the goalposts before admitting they've been proven wrong. It's real folks. Sure, it has some bugs but the foundation felt more solid then it had any right to for being such an early tech preview.
This game is a wet dream for most gamers. So I've been waiting for years to jump in. I was thinking about it during the playtest of the other star system that is Null Sec called Pyro but I held off. But, now with this upgrade to Server Meshing I will definitely be jumping in and TRYING to convince my homies to do the same.
If you have been holding out as long as you already have, I would consider allowing a full patch cycle after release of Server Meshing. It is going to be great, but learning the game while many growing pains are in progress may end in a bad time. Just sayin.
Honestly dude, bought the game in January and loved it, havent played in a month due to friends stopping for the patch, but its super fun to learn the game and I would recommend it highly even though server meshing isnt fully introduced.
@@mirkzemus9519 Thats why id suggest jumping in ahead of SM being added instead of a full patch cycle. Grants them enough time to get used to it, they can potentially get a cheaper pledge (id imagine 4.0 will see price increases for starter packs), and arguably they will have the experience of "Holy shit this is different"
You're getting good advice in these replies; the upcoming 3.23 patch is gonna be huge, but isn't including server meshing (it should have the replication layer split which brings in crash recovery), and you should expect the month after a major patch like 3.23 or the following Server Meshing patch to be a buggy nightmare. When they added Persistent Entity Streaming last spring, it took 6 weeks to get the game back into an ok-ish playable state. Hopefully it will be smoother in the future, but you should expect the worst so if it goes well you can be pleasantly surprised. The reality is, it's incomplete in it's current state, so it's a buggy mess; expect to have to contend with stupid unfriendly designs and bugs that you'd never expect to see in a finished game. That said, so long as you're managing your expectations, this game can truly blow you away, with some incredible visuals, fun ship flight, and immersive experiences. If 3.23 has a smooth deployment, it should be even more impressive, with a lot of improvements to the FPS gameplay, EVA movement, an overhaul of the ship combat and flight models (this is controversial, but gamers with argue about anything), a more modern character creator, and the addition of personal hangars for your ships that should be customizable (in a sort of primitive way for now). The full list of things in the release view is exciting (robertsspaceindustries.com/roadmap/release-view), but again, with a big patch deployment comes a lot of ways for things to break. Manage expectations, and come and join the fun!
Some of the hard 30ks were because people were trying to go to Pyro via the JP when specifically told not to because it would crash things. The recovery system got a workout though. SMH Another epic milestone in the bag though for sure.
I agree. It's big! CIG have done something really well here and it bodes well for the future. I can't wait to see how it plays out on Saturday / Sunday
This is incredible to me. For awhile, I thought we would get Pyro and have 2 servers for each system, and that is how it would be for a long time. But here you are, changing servers within a system!
I wonder how server transfers work if you are inside a ship without being in the pilot's party. Ideally: If you are inside someone's ship without being in party, you should still be attached to the ship object and travel with that ship to the new server. Same should be true if other ships and vehicles are parked inside a large ship. Let's hope that's how they implemented it. :)
Thanks for sharing your experience! I'm hoping to check it out when I'm home from work tonight and the fam is asleep. Exciting times! I'm really interested to see what all configurations they test and the results. The minimum viable product for Server Meshing from the Letter From The Chairman two years ago was described as 2 servers per system (Pyro and Stanton) connected to a single Replication Layer to form a single shard, and that was to be tested before the release of 4.0. Obviously still lots of work to be done by CIG but so cool to see instances of it working really well, and given that it was open to wave 2 this is pretty incredible at this scale and for only the second round of testing! They're iterating FAST.
Buddy its crazy. I'm trying to keep my hype and expectations in check but when you think about the possibilities they have with server Meshing it's hard not to get carried away. Very interesting times. There is still lots that needs to be proven, but we're off to a good start. Thanks for watching! Maybe see you at citcon again this year?
@@DTOXTV Yeah they weren't kidding when they said this would be a long series of tests, but they sure are off to a hell of a start. The next several months will be fascinating to be a part of. I really wish I could, but the Mrs and I have twins due at the end of May and I won't be travelling anywhere anytime soon hahaha. Cheers!
A.I NPCs breaks when the server dips below 20 fps. That's when they just stand around in a circle, they stop sitting down and stand on chairs, tables ect. Once its higher, 20+ fps, they come to life, walk around, interact with objects, sitting, leaning, working.
Can confirm, a 30k in the meshed environment means the replication layer crashed. CIG warned us that could still happen, but that it should be significantly more rare since the RL has much less work to do than a normal server.
@@DTOXTV (before someone jumps down my neck I guess I should clarify, *technically* it means you lost connection to the replication layer somehow, it doesn't *necessarily* mean the replication layer crashed)
My fear is that I will be landed at a POI. Then server crashes. I get thrown to another server. Replication server restores my parked ship. Another ship was already parked there on that switched server. The ships explode. Hehe. It's especially a problem because people leave ships and log out at all POIs already. Like at ground vehicle depots there's usually 8 ships permanently parked. I hope they do something to automatically teleport your ship to a safe spot when needed (another hangar, or on the ground further away from a POI, or slightly shifted if in space).
I think it's time for me to actually join Star Citizen in full now instead of just sporadically every few months. As a side note, have they updated the UI yet or is it still a bit irritating to work around?
Very good overall presentation, just make sure not to mix up servers (DGS) and shard. If you think that's impressive, this will blow your mind: go to the edge between two servers, and you will be able to interact with a friend in another ship, see him move, tractor beam, shoot , etc. I strongly suggest Wala OM1, go "up" 153km from OM1, and you'll be at the limit. Only do at OM1 or 2 (north/south), other points will have the planetary rotation that will fail the test.
I feel so vindicated as a long time SC backer. So many years of people calling it scam citizen and now it's all coming together. I don't think where out of the woods yet but I think Star Citizens server meshing, even if SC were to fail will be a historic milestone for video games. It's in it's infancy now but I think in the future more games studios will try to do something similar and we'll see game worlds get bigger and more populated.
This makes me miss linking jumps. You would have more then one ship linked up into a group. I know this is testing but if you think about it. If we go from one system to the next linking a Guild of ships going into battle with another Guild or PVE event and everyone ends up in different locations... its bad news.
It doesnt even work with multicrew at this point. It amazes me that the sc community is hyping tech thats been used in other mmo's forever as revolutionary. Ive spent thousands on this and ive come to regret it over the years.
@@heru_ur6017 It kind of means you have to be Pixel-perfect on the jump. If the ship needs to adjust at any scale, then it fails to link. I find it to be funny. Even server meshing is not new. Its been as far back as 2001. Its just CIG like everything to throw off the marketing is that they make up their own names for things to make them seem new. I'm a 3D artist and modeler, so it's quite funny to see them talking about things as if they were talking to children, because we all know children are stupid and fall for anything. The real goal for SC and Sq42 was never to build a game. This is what you tell the people willing to pay. The real goal was to build a game engine and a studio that could be self-sustaining. So now it's a company that can make other game titles and get investor money to keep afloat. Making the games was just an afterthought. When you make a product you need that product to last a really long time they call this plan. "The Ten Year Plan" nearly every company makes this plan mostly when it comes to games. Once it gets outdated you make a new one. kinda like what GTA and Red Dead is to R*. The true end game for CIG was never the game. it was always building a company.
@@heru_ur6017 I doubt Chris Roberts would have publicly said at CitCon that it made him cry when he first saw server meshing working if it is old tech that has been around for years. He'd look like an idiot. From a reddit comment: The biggest misconception I see about server meshing is that it is just instances. With each game server having authority over discreet instances and the players within the instance. Of course, this has been done before. Server meshing, however, takes authority of the players away from the game servers and hands it to a handling service called the replication layer. This means the player is essentially connected to multiple servers at once. Each server has authority over its area. However, the player receives data from all servers without preference. This means you can interact and affect objects on other servers without knowing it is on a different server, from, say, your ship. A few games come close to this, mostly peer to peer, where there is a rapid transition between areas, but I am not aware of any games that allow you to interact with multiple game servers as if you are connected to all of them equally. The end goal of server meshing is that servers will be able to react to player density and are able to start up and manage any size of area dynamically. For example, you could have 100 players spread across a moon, all on one server, and one player could spawn a large ship and invite all of the players on board. All 100 players meet up and board the ship. A server would boot up to manage that ship. This would then allow the original server to carry on simulating the moon for any other players in the area.
Yeah eventually all the servers they have now will just become one big one, EU, US etc, and the previous servers where we were seperated and had like 90 ish players on each one of those will manage one planet and the entire system can have thousands of players in it connected by server meshing. That was always the dream.
This looks real promising, but I'd like to temper the hype by pointing out how far it still has to go to reach the intended point. Pauses crossing borders and entities in the same space unable to seen each other. Honestly feels like bug business as usual for SC. However I have full faith that they will keep hammering away at it to make it better.
From what I understand, this specific test had one server running the Stanton planets ONLY, and another that handled all other space in Stanton. Basically everyone on a planet is on a single server, but once you quantum jump and get far enough from the planet, you switch to another server. Some other channels have shown that they received a "Server Error" notification while in qt, but their friends on planets were fine. The interesting thing is that the last test consisted of each solar system had its own server, but only one server each. I thought that was going to be the first configuration of server meshing to hit live (whenever that happens), but this kind of blows my mind that they are testing multiple servers per system already. This is super promising because, as buggy as this is, it shows that whatever we get on live will be able to scale, even if it's static and not dynamic. Super cool stuff.
I don't think we understand the holy grail of gaming they have made. The intuitive way they built out the verse allows them to use a server to host a cup.
@@DTOXTV i see, yeah thats the thing... they definitely need to do a test on a grander scale, which i suppose they'll only really be able to do in the PU so.. many problems ahead, but worth it
Not what he said moons and space where one server and the planets was another and obviously they can change what is what authority man as they just did a Stanton and Pyro version they are testing many many different versions in the test channel
@@yous2244 In the end they intend to have this spread across many servers and clients, spreading the data load... meaning that your FPS will be way higher when you don't need to stream all the data from the rest of the playable universe. Its all explained in Paul Reindell's segment at citcon last year: czcams.com/video/xKWa4WoTkV4/video.htmlsi=CAW1Br7t5DMN6TXr&t=4496
So what we can conclude is, servers is still dog shit even tho its gonna add some form of server meshing, i bet good servers are still several years away. The tech is still not there on this scale, many other games can handle 4-600 players a lot easier, even on a large scale. Games like rust etc. Having 100's of bases on the Island and 500+ players and not a single lag.
It was a test. You can't conclude much of anything because you don't know what the parameters of the test were. And no game does server meshing the way Star Citizen is going about it.
From one channel to the next one, people glorifying a half finished product. We are all to blame for this what should have been an unacceptable product. Yes, Star Citizen is an ambitious project. Not playable at all. Pledge to test early alfa... everybody should value their time more.
Hey guys, was kinda hyped to get this out to you quick, so put this edit together from my live-stream earlier! Exciting times for Star Citizen right now!
How long did this first crash take to recover? It looks like you jump cut.
@@MersageSW It was 1min 45seconds (I was watching live), which for tier 0 and early tests is very encouraging.
About 2 minutes. They got down to around 1 minute later. Assuming this is indeed what was happening. @@MersageSW
Thanks for showing us!
Am I missing something? I had assumed we wouldn’t see this as it was covered by the non-publishing agreement or whatever it’s called? I thought it wasn’t allowed to be shown and that’s why no one else is? Is it different for tech server??
Watching this live was a full on nerdgasm.. This tech, whilst not a brand new design, is revolutionary in this massive scale and with such an advanced game. That much data being managed this well, is efficiency at its all time peak. Nice work CIG, looking forward to the bigger and better iterations of server meshing in the future. Paul Reindell and his team are genius's! Thanks for the showcase Dtox!!!
actually no.
Server, code, the polygons themselves nothing is optimized today.
If it works like this TODAY, it means that it is not at its best and the margins for improvement on an optimized code have a much higher margin.
This test felt so unreal.
I had massive client side performance gains on my machine that I absolutely didn´t expect. The game felt buttery smooth.
But after thinking about it for some time it also wasn´t that surprising since that also happened in the old Leski offline build back in ye olden days.
As a non evo the first working server recovery was also mind blowing.
Sure, stuff broke a lot and it´s a long way from being stable - but it´s working and it brought the boost to server performance that the game needs.
And to think they can add servers per planet and landing zone is crazy
Was really cool being a part of this. Wish I had footage from above of you guys at ghost hollow to show you how smooth and responsive it looked. All movement and tracers/explosions seemed to be 1 to 1. Looking forward to this being optimized
thank you very much for sharing this... having this visual ... insane step for the game...
What I notice is - the Server FPS are PRETTY MUCH TRIPPLED... this performance boost is crazy...
Cheers Verdi! 🤘
I played and it was cool to see. I played later. There was already a patch and servers had been up for 5 hours. Server got down as low as 20 fps in the beginning but was a rock solid 30 fps the rest of the night. I do not know how many people were in my shard but it felt like 150-200. I saw the exact moment I transitioned over to another server and it was flawless. I NEVER would have known if it hadn't been for the debug console telling me. I experienced no 30ks but I did have a bug with my mobiGlas that wouldn't allow me to take any mission. I really wanted to try the NPC AI. Everything just felt like how it should. No delays.
Inventory UI is still a little slow but I don't think tat is a server issue. That just needs to be optimized more. I didn't think we would see this until Q4 this year at the earliest! Now, I am going to have to upgrade my machine because I'm clearly the slowest part of this system now. That blows my mind. Biggest issue besides missions was the loading time into the game. Maybe 5-10 minutes. I suspect they turned on allll the debug code.for this so I don't think it was typical.
I saw it with my own eyes, on my own computer. I've waited years for this. It works! It was like your best server experience ever. No AI were even standing on furniture. I could not find 1 glitching AI. One of those Refund guys called server meshing snake oil, that it would never work per planet. Though they can never bring themselves to admit it. They'll move the goalposts before admitting they've been proven wrong. It's real folks. Sure, it has some bugs but the foundation felt more solid then it had any right to for being such an early tech preview.
This game is a wet dream for most gamers. So I've been waiting for years to jump in. I was thinking about it during the playtest of the other star system that is Null Sec called Pyro but I held off. But, now with this upgrade to Server Meshing I will definitely be jumping in and TRYING to convince my homies to do the same.
hold off till pyro release
If you have been holding out as long as you already have, I would consider allowing a full patch cycle after release of Server Meshing. It is going to be great, but learning the game while many growing pains are in progress may end in a bad time. Just sayin.
Honestly dude, bought the game in January and loved it, havent played in a month due to friends stopping for the patch, but its super fun to learn the game and I would recommend it highly even though server meshing isnt fully introduced.
@@mirkzemus9519 Thats why id suggest jumping in ahead of SM being added instead of a full patch cycle. Grants them enough time to get used to it, they can potentially get a cheaper pledge (id imagine 4.0 will see price increases for starter packs), and arguably they will have the experience of "Holy shit this is different"
You're getting good advice in these replies; the upcoming 3.23 patch is gonna be huge, but isn't including server meshing (it should have the replication layer split which brings in crash recovery), and you should expect the month after a major patch like 3.23 or the following Server Meshing patch to be a buggy nightmare. When they added Persistent Entity Streaming last spring, it took 6 weeks to get the game back into an ok-ish playable state. Hopefully it will be smoother in the future, but you should expect the worst so if it goes well you can be pleasantly surprised.
The reality is, it's incomplete in it's current state, so it's a buggy mess; expect to have to contend with stupid unfriendly designs and bugs that you'd never expect to see in a finished game. That said, so long as you're managing your expectations, this game can truly blow you away, with some incredible visuals, fun ship flight, and immersive experiences. If 3.23 has a smooth deployment, it should be even more impressive, with a lot of improvements to the FPS gameplay, EVA movement, an overhaul of the ship combat and flight models (this is controversial, but gamers with argue about anything), a more modern character creator, and the addition of personal hangars for your ships that should be customizable (in a sort of primitive way for now). The full list of things in the release view is exciting (robertsspaceindustries.com/roadmap/release-view), but again, with a big patch deployment comes a lot of ways for things to break. Manage expectations, and come and join the fun!
Some of the hard 30ks were because people were trying to go to Pyro via the JP when specifically told not to because it would crash things. The recovery system got a workout though. SMH Another epic milestone in the bag though for sure.
that is 100% server meshing in action. amazing.
I agree. It's big! CIG have done something really well here and it bodes well for the future. I can't wait to see how it plays out on Saturday / Sunday
This is incredible to me. For awhile, I thought we would get Pyro and have 2 servers for each system, and that is how it would be for a long time. But here you are, changing servers within a system!
They’ll probably test 1 server per planet next
I'm curious exactly how dynamic they can get the servers. 200 people in one server in a 50 square mile area? That'd be absolutely wild
This is incredible and a great sign of things to come
I wonder how server transfers work if you are inside a ship without being in the pilot's party.
Ideally: If you are inside someone's ship without being in party, you should still be attached to the ship object and travel with that ship to the new server. Same should be true if other ships and vehicles are parked inside a large ship.
Let's hope that's how they implemented it. :)
It's Happening!!! We getting there.
Chills and goosebumps, wow..
Totally on HOPIUM here after watching this vid DTOX!!! 🙏🏻 ThanX for sharing the experience Master Lasher/Whipper! 💪🏻
Good news, a long time coming
Great video DTOX, really cool to see
Thanks for sharing your experience! I'm hoping to check it out when I'm home from work tonight and the fam is asleep. Exciting times! I'm really interested to see what all configurations they test and the results. The minimum viable product for Server Meshing from the Letter From The Chairman two years ago was described as 2 servers per system (Pyro and Stanton) connected to a single Replication Layer to form a single shard, and that was to be tested before the release of 4.0. Obviously still lots of work to be done by CIG but so cool to see instances of it working really well, and given that it was open to wave 2 this is pretty incredible at this scale and for only the second round of testing! They're iterating FAST.
Buddy its crazy. I'm trying to keep my hype and expectations in check but when you think about the possibilities they have with server Meshing it's hard not to get carried away. Very interesting times. There is still lots that needs to be proven, but we're off to a good start. Thanks for watching! Maybe see you at citcon again this year?
@@DTOXTV Yeah they weren't kidding when they said this would be a long series of tests, but they sure are off to a hell of a start. The next several months will be fascinating to be a part of. I really wish I could, but the Mrs and I have twins due at the end of May and I won't be travelling anywhere anytime soon hahaha. Cheers!
@@tree0311 oh man yeah of course. Woo! Congrats and may the force be with you in May haha!
@@DTOXTV Thanks dude! Gonna need all the help I can get hahaha.
Its amazing how many people dont understand that server meshing is not just "connected servers" and keep arguing that this is 20 year old technology.
A.I NPCs breaks when the server dips below 20 fps.
That's when they just stand around in a circle, they stop sitting down and stand on chairs, tables ect.
Once its higher, 20+ fps, they come to life, walk around, interact with objects, sitting, leaning, working.
Jumped on earlier to have a look
some jank, but generally seemed to be not on fire, very hopeful! :)
Exciting stuff going down right now.. its a good time to be in the Verse!
This has been the best explanation on what cig is doing so far, while other posts oversimplify or totally misunderstand the significance
Really cool video. You got lucky to get in. Now almost everyone is getting 30017 or 30018 errors
History in the making
Crazy, finally
The Replication Layer had crashed... if this is what happened, the buck has been passed. :(
I can't confirm, that's just my assumption. It could also mean a bunch of other things.
Can confirm, a 30k in the meshed environment means the replication layer crashed. CIG warned us that could still happen, but that it should be significantly more rare since the RL has much less work to do than a normal server.
@@jasonmack760 brilliant, thanks.
@@DTOXTV (before someone jumps down my neck I guess I should clarify, *technically* it means you lost connection to the replication layer somehow, it doesn't *necessarily* mean the replication layer crashed)
@@jasonmack760 that sounds more likely!
My fear is that I will be landed at a POI. Then server crashes. I get thrown to another server. Replication server restores my parked ship. Another ship was already parked there on that switched server. The ships explode. Hehe.
It's especially a problem because people leave ships and log out at all POIs already. Like at ground vehicle depots there's usually 8 ships permanently parked.
I hope they do something to automatically teleport your ship to a safe spot when needed (another hangar, or on the ground further away from a POI, or slightly shifted if in space).
The lost of party markers even with server meshing is another sign that they need to revamp the whole org system in game ASAP lol.
I think it's time for me to actually join Star Citizen in full now instead of just sporadically every few months.
As a side note, have they updated the UI yet or is it still a bit irritating to work around?
3.23 is a month or so (live release) away yet. Might be a good time to come back then!
You are confused.
30ks are not server crashes, they are server disconnects. The cause can be anything, not just the server having crashed.
Very good overall presentation, just make sure not to mix up servers (DGS) and shard.
If you think that's impressive, this will blow your mind: go to the edge between two servers, and you will be able to interact with a friend in another ship, see him move, tractor beam, shoot , etc.
I strongly suggest Wala OM1, go "up" 153km from OM1, and you'll be at the limit.
Only do at OM1 or 2 (north/south), other points will have the planetary rotation that will fail the test.
Awesome thanks for that I'll keep it in mind!
I feel so vindicated as a long time SC backer. So many years of people calling it scam citizen and now it's all coming together. I don't think where out of the woods yet but I think Star Citizens server meshing, even if SC were to fail will be a historic milestone for video games. It's in it's infancy now but I think in the future more games studios will try to do something similar and we'll see game worlds get bigger and more populated.
wooooow.... yeah it's big alright!!!
This makes me miss linking jumps. You would have more then one ship linked up into a group. I know this is testing but if you think about it. If we go from one system to the next linking a Guild of ships going into battle with another Guild or PVE event and everyone ends up in different locations... its bad news.
It doesnt even work with multicrew at this point. It amazes me that the sc community is hyping tech thats been used in other mmo's forever as revolutionary. Ive spent thousands on this and ive come to regret it over the years.
@@heru_ur6017
It kind of means you have to be Pixel-perfect on the jump. If the ship needs to adjust at any scale, then it fails to link.
I find it to be funny. Even server meshing is not new. Its been as far back as 2001. Its just CIG like everything to throw off the marketing is that they make up their own names for things to make them seem new. I'm a 3D artist and modeler, so it's quite funny to see them talking about things as if they were talking to children, because we all know children are stupid and fall for anything.
The real goal for SC and Sq42 was never to build a game. This is what you tell the people willing to pay. The real goal was to build a game engine and a studio that could be self-sustaining. So now it's a company that can make other game titles and get investor money to keep afloat. Making the games was just an afterthought.
When you make a product you need that product to last a really long time they call this plan. "The Ten Year Plan" nearly every company makes this plan mostly when it comes to games. Once it gets outdated you make a new one. kinda like what GTA and Red Dead is to R*.
The true end game for CIG was never the game. it was always building a company.
@@heru_ur6017 I doubt Chris Roberts would have publicly said at CitCon that it made him cry when he first saw server meshing working if it is old tech that has been around for years. He'd look like an idiot. From a reddit comment:
The biggest misconception I see about server meshing is that it is just instances. With each game server having authority over discreet instances and the players within the instance.
Of course, this has been done before.
Server meshing, however, takes authority of the players away from the game servers and hands it to a handling service called the replication layer. This means the player is essentially connected to multiple servers at once. Each server has authority over its area. However, the player receives data from all servers without preference. This means you can interact and affect objects on other servers without knowing it is on a different server, from, say, your ship.
A few games come close to this, mostly peer to peer, where there is a rapid transition between areas, but I am not aware of any games that allow you to interact with multiple game servers as if you are connected to all of them equally.
The end goal of server meshing is that servers will be able to react to player density and are able to start up and manage any size of area dynamically. For example, you could have 100 players spread across a moon, all on one server, and one player could spawn a large ship and invite all of the players on board. All 100 players meet up and board the ship. A server would boot up to manage that ship. This would then allow the original server to carry on simulating the moon for any other players in the area.
Yeah eventually all the servers they have now will just become one big one, EU, US etc, and the previous servers where we were seperated and had like 90 ish players on each one of those will manage one planet and the entire system can have thousands of players in it connected by server meshing. That was always the dream.
Much Excite !!!!!
This is a huge deal compared to the tiny demo running off a bunch of laptops at citcon. The future is now!
This looks real promising, but I'd like to temper the hype by pointing out how far it still has to go to reach the intended point. Pauses crossing borders and entities in the same space unable to seen each other. Honestly feels like bug business as usual for SC. However I have full faith that they will keep hammering away at it to make it better.
Agreed!
I thought you weren't allowed to show footage??
He commented elsewhere that this wasn't EVO, it was a public test.
Lookin good even jankier than usual which is miraculous lol.
Awesome!
With this new upgrade to sever meshing I've been looking forward to jumping back in!
What set up do you have to run a 120fps in space?
wtf its already outta NDA? wow going fast
Hype!
I'm further convinced this game isn't coming out until hardware catches up to their scope
How did you draw that conclusion? Server meshing made performance skyrocket.
Now it'll probably just be 2 more years...
Are all celestial bodies on the same server or does each have it's own server?
From what I understand, this specific test had one server running the Stanton planets ONLY, and another that handled all other space in Stanton. Basically everyone on a planet is on a single server, but once you quantum jump and get far enough from the planet, you switch to another server.
Some other channels have shown that they received a "Server Error" notification while in qt, but their friends on planets were fine.
The interesting thing is that the last test consisted of each solar system had its own server, but only one server each. I thought that was going to be the first configuration of server meshing to hit live (whenever that happens), but this kind of blows my mind that they are testing multiple servers per system already.
This is super promising because, as buggy as this is, it shows that whatever we get on live will be able to scale, even if it's static and not dynamic. Super cool stuff.
@@JullianChavez So all the moons of all planets were all on the "space" servers.
I don't think we understand the holy grail of gaming they have made. The intuitive way they built out the verse allows them to use a server to host a cup.
Maybe the radar on that ship is junk
Umm? Dude, this is under NDA still... they said things can be talked about, not shown
Haha no this wasnt evocati! No NDA on this one.
@@DTOXTV ohhhhh! Thats so surprising!!! My bad i didn't realise they had already moved it.. damn its moving fast thats exciting haha
@@NickLongFilmmaking yeah it really is but I guess more people the better in this case. Its a limited test over the weekend.
@@DTOXTV i see, yeah thats the thing... they definitely need to do a test on a grander scale, which i suppose they'll only really be able to do in the PU so.. many problems ahead, but worth it
So it's one server for all moons and planets and the other is for space and you have 200 players? Don't think server fps will increase that way
Not what he said moons and space where one server and the planets was another and obviously they can change what is what authority man as they just did a Stanton and Pyro version they are testing many many different versions in the test channel
Berks version had a 400 player cap later that day
@@robertchandler2063 with that many players server fps will be worse. Well thwy did say this is just for stress testing
@@yous2244 In the end they intend to have this spread across many servers and clients, spreading the data load... meaning that your FPS will be way higher when you don't need to stream all the data from the rest of the playable universe.
Its all explained in Paul Reindell's segment at citcon last year: czcams.com/video/xKWa4WoTkV4/video.htmlsi=CAW1Br7t5DMN6TXr&t=4496
It's a test setup. Minimizing variables.
So what we can conclude is, servers is still dog shit even tho its gonna add some form of server meshing, i bet good servers are still several years away. The tech is still not there on this scale, many other games can handle 4-600 players a lot easier, even on a large scale. Games like rust etc. Having 100's of bases on the Island and 500+ players and not a single lag.
It was a test. You can't conclude much of anything because you don't know what the parameters of the test were. And no game does server meshing the way Star Citizen is going about it.
@@ErikLiberty but can we agree that current servers are Dog shit, and whats looks like it, this test servers was too.
@@kennethjensen730 A couple commenters on here said they had massive performance gains during the test that they weren't expecting.
From one channel to the next one, people glorifying a half finished product.
We are all to blame for this what should have been an unacceptable product.
Yes, Star Citizen is an ambitious project. Not playable at all.
Pledge to test early alfa... everybody should value their time more.
Crazy all those channels and all that terrible half finished product but you're still watching and still here.
Not playable at all? Maybe you should upgrade your hardware
Except it is playable, you dummy
I value my time, I just don't value dumb opinions :)
oo meshing at work? fine!