Rating a Khemrian Kitty Doomstack
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Settra does not serve, but he does have to listen to his cat
The easy counter to this is an enormous ball of yarn
"There's no way we can win this battle"
Subsequently proceeds to win said battle.
after a dozen tries! still loved that one
"Ew the cat just dropped a dead bird on our doorstep"
"That's... a phoenix"
Birb is birb!
The cutest doom stack ever
*Giant towering buildings of a mechanical death machine spewing fire and acid death=cute* Yeah and anglerfishes are adorable am i right?
My friend, these are the very danger kitten. I would not be saying cute
I understand why Bretonnians didn't help High Elves: they discovered that they were meant to be meatshield for Elves.
-Elves turn up to save Bretonnian town from being conquered by skellybois
-Bretonnians ditch elves to save themselves
-Both get massacred
-Bretonnia gets conquered
These frogs really are geniuses
@@demrasnawla Dunkirk 2.0
This battle would probably be written as 'the great betrayal' in elven history.
They pulled an Uno reverse card on the Elves, and made the Elves be the meatshields instead
@@Witch_King That’s not what happened at Dunkirk at all. The fight the French forces put up was part of the reason the British were able to evacuate. The French understood that for them the battle was lost but if the British could escape and continue the war it would be worth it.
- Nice kitty, but what's he doing?
- Playing with High Elf's toy.
Playing with his disturbingly alive yarn
@@Warhamer116 IF you think about it, innards are just very slippy yarn, rolled up in a human.
Battle begins at 8:20 seconds :D
Level 39 Teclis is scary enough already
He's a doomstack on his own
So, not just legend that leaves his allies to die, the A.I does it as well.
Bordelaux is in the alliance but not INTO the alliance
hey there, a bit of input from me: I did not use the canopic jar cheese, that is why equipment and armies are somewhat limited for me. Also pretty impressed how you played it, i knew it would be very challenging. thanks for the coverage.
Thanks for sending it in, we have so few TK doomstacks to consider.
I've been considering sending in Arkhan and a bunch of Tomb Princes, with Necrosphixes filling it out.
Another one I kind of want to send in is the chariots with Alkhazzar but I know Legend will hate it.
@@doktarr Tomb prince spam could be very powerful. Especially if you go with chariot masters I imagine that would work great with necrosphinxes. Probably wouldn't be easy to use due to having a load of chariot lords but would be potentially extremely strong with a good mage backing it up and some healing from a Necrotect. Hero spam is obviously a bit more tricky with tomb kings but not having princes in your other armies is hardly too much of a sacrifice in the late game, plus if half your army is necrosphinxes you wouldn't need too many.
@@jamiefenwick8359 Yeah, unlike the other TK heroes the Tomb Princes aren't really essential in other armies. You can only get 7 of them though (or 8 if you use the turn 4 event to boost capacity, which you probably shouldn't).
Still, Arkhan, 7 Princes, Necrotect, 11 Necrosphinxes sounds pretty sick
@@doktarr 18 ghost cav, one khemrian warsphinx disciplined lord and a nehekara caster as arkhan the black is best doom stack.
to be paired with a fellbat doomstack for sieges ofc.
@@sadrien hahaha.
For real though Hexwraith spam is fun once you have the tier 5 Nagashizzar building.
That balance of power actually jumpscared me.
Any unit in the Game can get overwhelmed? The Crimson killaz doomstack begs to differ
On a wide open map with no hiding places against something fielding 40+ units at once, where they go directly for the heroes, that army can absolutely get overwhelmed. That was my favorite of all the doomstacks but it's not invulnerable.
@@doktarr if you can hide the rest of your army it would be invincible
@@StripesW agreed. I'm just saying, that's an "if"
@fucku weebsnfurries Hmmm how about No?
@@ForbiddenFollyFollower not if you are caught in underway, forced march, or a settlement.
Brettonians:
" - My Liege, High Elves engaged the enemy. What's your order?
- We wait."
Brettonia's doing what I do whenever I get dragged into an ally's battle.
-what did it cost you?
-everything.
Idk why but I feel obligated to protect them? Like sometimes they come in handy in the future when you focus their target. Plus Orions camps is so cute I try to protect them and let them chill when ever I see them.
Too bad Tomb Kings are about to besiege a bretonnian settlement, so the high elves where truly helping
Well I hope you don't leave time to your opponent to rest and heal after he's done with your ally
@Ethan Parker the only time I helped an AI controlled army, it's because it was mine
Legend: *Says he is going to lose the batte*
Also Legend: *Wins the battle with a Heroic Victory with only 1 loss*
He truly is a legend
The Khemrian warsphinx stack works the best in a tight wedge formation in a locked control group. You can basically charge through lines of infantry, stop to destroy a unit or two in a blink of an eye and move on while continually healing the sphinxes.
That sounds like a fun way to play this army!
Honestly I think the rating would be better if you did it LL style, for example seperate rating for absolute power, versatility, opportunity cost (how it fares compared to the standard race doomstack), absolute cost (in time and money)
good idea. You could also include how early it can be created and how many limited resources it takes( if it takes a lot of hero capacity it would be impossible to mass produce)
@@chickentendies5215 and also if it's noob friendly
That would be a very interesting addition. I was thinking the same time and time again.
I've said for a long time there are basically three relevant ratings:
1) Battle Effectiveness - how strong is it, is it good in a variety of situations against a variety of opponents, can it get worn down, does it require intense micro, etc
2) Campaign Effectiveness - how does running this army affect the rest of your faction? Is it especially expensive? Does it use up limited supplies of heroes, items, or units with unit caps? Is it better than the usual alternatives for that faction?
3) Ease of Creation - Does this require extensive trait-farming or tons of tier 5 settlements or other things that will make it difficult to achieve before the late game?
EDIT: re-named the last category "ease of creation"
@@doktarr you could merge parts of 2) and 3) into one.
You should also include turn of creation.
A rite of the warmaster army isnt that strong overall but for an army that can be created turn 2 its extremely strong
11:11
"That's a lot of damage done to this one."
"The cult agrees!"
The Bretonians are the Scottish lords in Braveheart at the battle of Falkirk.
They really nailed the animations with the Warsphinx, lovely unit.
Whatever you do don’t shine a laser pointer at this stack
Legend actually using buff/debuff spells... never thought i'd see that
Am I the only one who always hears "Bitch, please" when someone selects a Liche Priest?
The only doomstack that requires 16 balls of yarn for upkeep. Oh, and catnip
The meowstack
To me it looked more like Teclis trying to test his doomstack against Legend than the other way around.
The best part of my morning routine. Thx for the great content Legend. love watching your SYDB or RYDS vids while i have my coffee and breakfast. Be well.
I like to think the Brettonians were patiently waiting their turn, drinking wine and waiting for the High Elves to be done
Really appreciate you taking the time to explain the reasoning behind the rating! Very interesting
Legend: a sun dragon, but no one cares about this guy
Sun Dragon: aww i sad dragon now
A doom stack for one of my favorite units?! This is fills me with glad-joy, yes-yes!
Anyone else get a little giddy when Legend says, "I've done this battle before and lost. This is actually the best I've done so far!!" You know shit's going down after that!
You got the wrong cat picture: Simba is Supereme
It’s hard to doom stack with tomb kings because of how impractical it is for such high unit caps. A tomb scorpion doom stack is probably most practical for least effort.
I did an Ushabti doomstack recently, with melee and the range ones. Its naaasty.
@@Rowdy422 Strong? I am struggeling with khalida really hard at the 30-50 turn mark. I just do not know how to build my army.
@@Rowdy422 I tried but wasnt nearly as good as I hoped it would be. The melee ones die to fast and mass infantry can overwhelm. Good against single large monsters and monstrous units though..
@@Debilinside If you can, I kept just an army of plain spear skeletons to accompany it. Just fill the whole battleground with chaff to soak up damage while the Ushabti do the damage. Don't even need any magic, though the leader of the second army can be a caster.
@@Nickzorner The trick is using a second fodder army of skeletons with shields until you can afford some ushabti bows and tomb guard. In sieges use the fodder skeletons to keep everything on the walls busy while you storm the gates with your main army and its basically a free win (as long as you focus artillery tho). Also prepare for lag.
16:50 Happy Kitty (:
Breaking news: High elves declared war on Bretonia
The Bretonians were like the knights in Shrek 2 before the cute kitties.
I love how the battlefield is littered with glowing dead birds.
I am throughly pleased with that thumbnail.
Isn't it a point to go against a non-favorite match-up with the doomstack? I think you complained at the start of the series that armies were going against something they are good against.
yes but in the other attempts of this battle I got totally stomped. Made it difficult to rate it when it died so fast.
There is a difference between "hard" and "almost impossible"
To be fair in his complaint he also included just how severly bad this situation was. like this is beyond what can be expected. it you play on legendary you can expect even if you are good at diplomacy to fight full stacks armies from the same faction. But this is just a question of horrible luck or very bad handling of diplomacy.
Which a doomstack shouldnt ever need to handle.
Submissions should require that the poster be able to win the battle before he submits it
loved that one!! great battle!! thx!!
8:33 "This battle can't be won."
*He ends up winning anyway*
Classic Legend.
The way legend says, "the battle actually begins at 8:23" was hilariously on theme
Ppl should really consider getting that enchanted item in the mortuary that gives stalk for your liche priest heroes. It’s so dangerous keeping them near the blob bc of how squishy they are combined with the undead crumbling that they are almost impossible to keep alive in these situations.
Teclis: Oh! I see some kitties! Pspspsps!
Kitties: *move closer*
Teclis: Oh shi...
Legend
-I can't win this
AI
-No; you can
Weird that the Phoenix explosion is like the one good direct damage effect in the game against single entities (on larger unit scales at least)
The good old classic "we will definitely lose this battle"
5:10 Please Legend! I'm going into Battle, and I need your strongest doomstack!
Kittens-We do not serve, we rule!
The first 8mins could be used to describe the importance of being fair when judging someone's work and how to approach it.
I'm a simple man.... I see kitty I click....
Legends impersonation of us always gets me.
Classic Legend, getting his necrotect killed.
arcane phoenix and hight elves also are too much OP
Do you think that this or a Necrosphinx stack would be more powerful? On a similar note, do you think a mixed Necrosphinx/Khemrian Warsphinx stack would be more powerful?
Is it really worth having the necrotect or would it be better off with just another warsphinx? The necro only having 2 charges on its heal always seemed really underwhelming to me.
No army can deal with this!? Dwarf’s new doom stack will write that in book.
A necrosphinx doomstack likely would perform better against so many large units, but it's much harder to raise their cap since the hero abilities give extra war cats not necrokitties
For Sigmar's sake, phoenix are so damn infuriating in the hands of AI. They're more annoying than fighting marauder horsemen spam back in WH1 without range unit
At least the necrotect got both heals off.
Hey legend I was just wondering what would be the new chaos doom stack because my shagoths have just been getting screwed hard
"There's no way at all to win this one, we're going to lose". Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally.
I think the nehekaren mage make sense because if you fake cast you can heal the entire army
8:19 high pitched mocking compilation
To be honest those phoenixes need an immediate nerf
That rebirth ability is so fucking ridiculously OP
It's only strong for the AI tho, b/c as the player it has a 50/50 chance of just dying instead of getting the heal. The ai cheats to make it like 85% heal/15% die chance.
@@timothykurdt7645 No, not really. The AI are prone to the same modifiers as the player. It's just that under the AI's control, if the phoenix dies, it's able to charge into a single entity before it explodes, taking your SEM with it. It doesn't break due to the increased leadership.
@@Count.Saruman Yeah, I also doubt the chances are any different. What makes it work much better for the AI is the fact that AI always invariably outnumbers and outproduces the player, meaning trading any 1 AI unit for any 1 player unit works against the player almost always, whereas the player simply can´t afford to rely on blowing his own troops up just to take some of the AI´s with them. But yeah, the ability is BS and needs a nerf.
The term you’re looking for is Opportunity Cost.
Brettonia is secretly commanded by skaven!
Every Warhammer Nation is secretly run by Skaven, all commanded by the Grand Cheeselord.
brettonia reminds me of the traitor dudes from braveheart in this one lol
Battle begins at 8 minutes and 20 seconds.
the reason bretonia probably didn't help was because they didn't have vision. for the AI at least, allies may not share fog of war vision.
Okay so brand new Idea for everyone with half a potato. Top 5 most satisfying doomstacks for the cheese god, a Drycha faction treeman spam with lore of life anf a shadow caster and cooedil. Okay so most effecient atm is probably lizard and beastman leadership stacks. But to satisfy the dark cheeselord certainly we need cheeseablility/ease of use/ employability as our criteria for judgement?
timmy voice: "battle begins at 8:20"
Good kitty
Just for you Legend: "BATTLE BEGINS AT 8:20 FUCKERS!"
Gave the video a like just for the thumbnail. Didn't even need to look at th video.
I wonder if legend has to do the commentary all over again when legend attempt another try at the battle lol
It seems like a few necro-kitties in there would be useful i dunno
Hey Legend. i dont understand why dont you let them shot all the time? cause of FF or why?
I know at least 1 Doomstack that could win here. The Grimgor immortal Krimzon killaz stack xD
Bretonia armys while the high elves were fighting the tomb kings :
Smile and wave boys, smile and wave
I know you can unlock armies via tech tree and spending Canopic Jars, any other ways to get more armies as Tomb Kings?
One of the books of Nagash
Stinky beast doomstacks would work, so would spooky scary skeletons and pompous skinks. I got 2 pompous stacks in 105 turns.
Thumbs up just for the kitty katty
You rate the army not just on a tactical level but also on the strategic level AND the economic level (which falls flat for the Tomb Kings).
> Be me.
> Hear Legend say that this battle is unwinnable.
> Skip 26 minutes just to see the fucker win.
i think u dont know ur own power Mr. Legend xD
Doomstack more like cutestack
cute kitty :D
Wonder if necrosphinx would be any better?
Would you recommend tomb princes as the lords + wizards, over the caster lord + fighter hero? Because if you use the caster lord, you aren't as tight on mages.
I haven't played TK in awhile so I could be wrong but I don't think they have caster lords.
They don't. Also, Tomb Princes can't be lords
In some mods i think they get arch liche priests or something, but not vanilla. Well, aside from the 3 LLs
I like the thumbnail
but legend! you said you were going to lose!!!!
Tomb scorpion stack
How does the phoenix-dying-explosion work exactly, is it a bug? I know they are supposed to deal damage when they die, but how does an explosion deal so much damage to single entity units?
It's a bug yes, there's currently a thing going on where "explosions" will affect units within the hitbox of the ability even though it should only target the entity. I would imagine that the damage value on the Phoenix has to been programmed to do a ridiculous amount of damage to insure that it dies when it procs, which given the explosion bug, has the side effect of destroying SEMs that it stacks on top of. This issue isn't just restricted to the Phoenixes either, if you can get lords/ heroes beneath a hydra they will get the healing from their ability as well.
what is the best doomstack for settra?
Sakhmet's Incantation of the Skullstorm
Ight 24 mana Legend
Refusing to use a staunch spam of cheap spells eh
for how hard this doomstack is to get
That's the issue. You've conquered half the map just to get the buildings you need to allow you to make the stack