Rating a Perfected Thane/Runesmith Doomstack
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I dont understand why he didnt bother to cast the aoe dmg rune I mean yeah its not great but he could cast it 28 times in succession that must do some dmg.
Because this isn't SFO and rune of wrath and ruin is a speed debuff in vanilla, which was pretty useless in this situation.
@@LegendofTotalWar Ohh thanks for the lesson! I love your streams and videos. I didnt realize that. = D
it used to do AOE damage but got nerfed at some point, its just a speed debuff now :/
@@blargminton it's still permits dwarfs to counter the one thing they're weak against: cavalery.
@@blargminton hey guess what :D
-Turn 1624
- Mazdamundi owns the world
- One angry Dawi army stands up
- All is good
gotta give'em a slight headstart
Once he got out of the battle, I was left speechless that someone would go THAT far for Legend's video :o I'm pretty sure he threw so that the lizzies could own the world and recruit as many dread saurians as possible
@@rafaelb.m.4756 imagine how many battles the person had to go through in order to get that good one
It is 1624 and all Warhammer is occupied by the Rom- I mean the lizardmen. All Warhammer? No, one Army of unbeatable dwarfs is resisting the invaders...
Hell it ain't even an army. Just 20 pissed off dwarves.
"eventually they will get tired" - the most dwarf concept of defense.
Stand strong and keep fireing!
7:50
of course it's strong, this guy is already in Age of Sigmar with that turn 1624 stuff
At least we know now how the Dwarfs ended up there.
A dread saurian bites a thane. After twenty minutes of bleeding and pain the saurian dies.
"Dread Saurian? More like dead Saurian! "-That runelord, probably
more like bore racknarock.
Now this is a Dawi doomstack.
Dwarfs: Stout, demanding stamina, refusal to quit.
Player to play this doomstack: Stout, requires stamina, refusal to quit.
"No one is taking damage."
"We're getting there."
"This is so slow."
Peak Dwarf energy.
Only mod? Bigger guns in the second army.
What guns? Organ guns or flame cannons.
Hmm, this "The Hobbit: Sequel" does certainly ups the ante and adds the wow factor
That's what the hobbit was missing! Dinosaurs!
"You're gonna need a bigger az"
The Desolation of Smaugh's extended family
A Dreadsaurian stomps a dwarf into the ground.
Dwarf: Tis but a scratch!
Dwarf: 3595/3600 hp.
"Breaking news, 20 Angry little Men sneak into Jurassic Park and kill all the exhibits, more at 4pm"
It's Turn 1624,
Mazdamundi has conquered the whole world.
The whole world?
No, one small village of indomitable Davi still holds out against the invaders.
And life is not easy for the Saurian Warriors who garrison the fortified camps
Astérix, if I'm not wrong.
@@Count.Saruman you are not :)
Asterix!
Im always happy when i read Asterix refferences, BIG part of my childhood
😍😍😍 that quote
I love how everyone is not even looking at the book in the bottom left at the end.... *there are over a hundred grudges*
Some Longbeard: "Good... TIME SO SETTLE THEM!"
Grombrindal lense flair.
You need the grudges to keep the longbeards motivated.
@@ericmyrs otherwise they'll grumble cause there is no more grudges to settle.
You can already imagine the aneurysm each of those twenty dwarves are having right now for having that many grudges in their head.
Legend: "In terms of fun this is a 0/10"
Me: *Laughing at how the dinosaurs are squishing into the corner of the map against a bunch of dawis*
It's like Doomstack Showdown with the AI bringing so many high tier dinosaurs.
That's just how lizardmen armies turn out naturally after turn 50 or so.
@@mrgabest its still a doomstack
@@mrgabest and it's turn 1624 in this particular case, sooooo xD
this is definitely exactly how this game was meant to be played. 10/10 perfectly balanced in every way.
The countless dinosaurs slowly creeping in while a small group of dwarves are holding their ground felt like something out of a Lord of the Rings movie
-My lord, all grudges have been avenged
- "Longbeards snarl"
-Why... why are you angry
-Now we don't have nothing to grudge, this will be very boring
meh, humans still exist, they will create new grudges, just you wait
In the meantime, bugman anyone?
*There is no grudge to grumble about, THIS IS GOING IN THE BOOK!*
@@The_Rising_Tempest_Emilia there's that one grudge where they swear they will mine a mountain into nonexistance, so that can take a while
@@The_Rising_Tempest_Emilia you Dawi seems to be a very contentious people...
@@gustavosanches3454 You've just made an ennemy for life!
can we take a moment to talk about the lizardman army the ai recruited
I am under the impression that army was manufactured. Attack it, kill the bad units, the AI recruits new units to fill in the gaps.
@@Konraden given how the creator said it took ages to get the setup, I'm inclined to believe you.
I mean, the AI did it only after 1600 turns of the game, so... yeah, kudos AI ^^'
It's not that uncommon to see AI lizardmen armies with 5-10 dinos past like turn 60. Depends on how well they are doing.
@@Konraden Legend even says in the end of the video that it's manufactured. Still fun though
I just noticed the names of the dwarf thanes, all named after the 13 dwarfs of the hobbit 😁
Well, and some other famous dwarves, like Gimli, who wasn't in the hobbit :P
Bombur mvp, inamovable
And Thain who wasnt part of the fellowship.
At first, i was like, why are Hexoatl only attacking him...until i realized no one except him existed in the first place.
5:40 amazing view , 20 short guy against jurassic park
Cornercamping with the proud race of Dawi? THAT'S GOING TO THE BOOK!
Defeating a fucking Jurassic park? IT'S NOT THE PART OF THE GREAT PLAN, YES-YES!
Malekith, For the last time! You're not a rat-men!
@@autorefresher1 of course he is not, rat-men don't exist !!
Dawi are made to corner camp tho
5.9' vs 6.0' ultimate showdown
Shoutout to all the name references in that thane stack
This man is on bloody turn 1624. I am having hard time not starting a new campaign when I haven't even gotten to turn 100.
"It's getting there, but it's really really slow" Is basically Dwarves in a nutshell.
"the dwarfs need something"... hearing shit like this warms my heart
Actually I'd argue that the Rune of Oath and Steel is still quite useful. Most armour-piercing units still have a good portion of non-ap damage and Oath and Steel puts these guys above the armour cap of 200, meaning pretty much no non-ap damage gets through.
They're already around 180 Armor though, which blocks over 99% of non-AP damage on average - except for a single point of damage, which gets though even at 200 armor. The marginal difference between 180 and 200 is pretty tiny.
@@doktarr and add that health regen on top of it too, superb doomstack
As far as I remember some testing report difference between 160 and 200 is neglectful
@@alexeyalexandrov7583 Yes, the math is pretty clear on this.
At 200 you take 1 non-AP damage (would be zero but it's a minimum of 1).
At 160 you get a random number between 80 and 160. If it's above 100 then you take 1 non-AP damage. If it's below 100 you block that percentage of the non-AP damage. If you do the math, on average you are blocking 97.5% of the damage - ignoring the minimum of 1 damage, which is what you are usually taking.
Most of the time the minimum 1 damage means it's no different. Even if the attack is coming from a non-AP melee lord that does ~300 non-AP damage, the difference between 160 armor and 200 armor is an average difference of maybe 7 damage per hit. That's the most extreme case and it's still not that significant.
Now i kinda want to see Legend recapture the world with those dwarves tbh.
13:32 now imagine Chaos Dwarves being able to field this doomstack with a Lore of Fire spellcaster included.
I like that the guy listened to the advice and improved the doomstack. Props for the effort put in. Loved the video.
i love that you rated the fun-ness
please add that into your criteria
+1
The corner is the real doomstack... Most dread saurians were patiently waiting to get smacked around lol
Wow. This is the test. That's what I understand. To be honest, I wonder why humans use dark elf armies so often as test models. Druchii are strong, no doubt, but to be honest, they are far from the strongest possible late-game computer armies. Most often they have well-balanced armies, containing a little bit of everything - a strong and varied infantry, some monsters, artillery, magic and strong heroes. They are generally very strong, but not the best at anything. Therefore, there are so many ways to deal with them.
However, the worst situations I have always happened with two factions - the high elves and the lizardmen. The first ones I consider to be the really strongest computer opponents, because in their roster most of the units, starting with the basic infantry, are very strong. Yes, they are not cheap, but the computer has no financial problems, so it is fine. In addition, the AI does not collect the late armies of asuras from anyhow - they always have many strong units of 4-5 tier - the sisters of Avelorn, phoenix guards, dragons and phoenixes. The presence of 3-4 peacocks in one army in itself is already a big pain, since they are almost indestructible and are smeared with Vaseline from beak to claw. Over and over again they create a point of concentrated power on your most vulnerable units at the moment and fly away as soon as it gets hot.
Well, the second army of my nightmares is now running on the screen. Because they're fucking huge fat dinosaurs. Half of the factions do not have the tools at all to fight the top-tier monsters in such numbers, while the rest requires creating an army specifically against such an army, which will not be so good in other situations, and at the same time will cost a lot of money. A huge pile of money.
So I have a lot of respect for someone who spent so much time doing a really cool test for their doomstack.
@Несгибаемый Оджас No longer. Since the release of the Sisters of Twilight (and the revamped chaos invasion), Moulder has ruled the North. In a vortex campaign, it is most often Throt who buries Nagarrond, while in MEMpires it is incinerated by an invasion of chaos. Malekith now most often shamelessly moves to live with Malus, since he is also not married. Or he sits sadly with his bodyguards in the super-fortified capital, watching from his balcony the rest of his kingdom ablaze.
“NOTHING CAN STOP US!”
I want to see this up against the High Elf Mage chariot or Loremaster spam.
yeah, that loremaster half-stack was really something
You want to see some emasculated high elves being shredded? It is some kind of fetish? :D
Ithilmar chariot on mage with an incendiary trait has 34 attack and 570 mostly non-ap damage. Against a dawi with 90 defence, 250 armor and over 70% physical res? Pfff... that will be like 5-10 dmg per hit (IF they hit with that pathetic 34 attack against 90 defence). So, like a true elf pussy, runing away from combat with shit in your pants and spamming magic? How the hell you want to kill 20 dwarves with 8,4k HP each (4,8k base + 3,6k regen) and 90% magic res? That is almost 1 700 000 dmg to deal against single entity heroes... do you have like 5k winds of magic to do this?
This vs a full version of that loremaster stack would be the slowest battle in the history of Warhammer
dwarves win. real reason to corner camp here (cause it doesn't really matter if you get surrounded with this list) is to stop anything (monsters/chariots etc) from pulling through. yeah they knock the front dwarves down for tiny damage but then they are in attack range of the rest of the thanes who beat on them while they try to pull a three point turn to get back out :D magic can be ignored. VS lore masters it would take about a year but regen lets them out-grind them as well.
@@darchensol5112 Eh, loremasters can regrowth so I wouldn't be surprised if a properly prepared HE Loremaster army will hit their heal caps just as readily as the dwarves with the tankards.
The guy who sends this stuff in is awesome.
Dinos tickle dawi beards for 16min.
In round 1624, Hexotal conquered the world. 119 Grudges to settel. Last Settlement lost. High in debt.
Theoden: "How did it come to this ?"
We really need a Doomstack face-off. Can we get a top 10 out of your doomstacks you've already played/reviewed? Which doomstacks are the most unbeatable and the easiest to create?
- Thanestack,
- Pompus skinks,
- 0 HP Krimson Killerz,
- Crushing high elf nobles,
- Indestructible Queek chieftans,
- Two unit Sisters of Twighlight,
etc...
I think this might be a hard counter to the pompus skinks. The dwarfs could take out dreadsaurians who have more damage output than the stegadons of the pompus skinks and they also have more health. There is also a dwarf rare equipment that makes them unbreakable so that takes care of the biggest advantage that the skinks have on this army. Another thing that the skinks have going for them is magic but dwarfs are innatiely magic resistant.
@@axeltavarez1367 This army might really be able to beat every single one of them. Even the stinky beastmen with Death&Wild magic cannot do anything if you just put unbreakable equipment on the thanes. 0 hp Krimson Killers only work against AI anyway, since the player just needs to destroy all of the heroes in the army to win.
The only problem with the thane army is that it cannot catch anything. So a human opponent that doesn't obey the tournament rules could just kite it until a draw occurs. If you prohibit the time-out draw, this army is probably the strongest.
@@luxource There are still some doomstacks that specifically counter this one but they are nowhere near the top. Like a stack of luminarchs they deal enough damage that they posed a threat to malus the dark blade with the sword of khaine and he had like 95% ward save. luminarchs might be fast enough to snipe and kite the dwarfs. But then that doomstack gets wrecked by any other doomstack that isn't slower than the luminarchs.
Ps. Just for the memes "General kenobi your are a bold one"
@@axeltavarez1367 Good point, I have to concede that a full stack of Luminarchs should have enough potential damage output to snipe the runelord even with all of his current resistances.
@@luxource There are other hero-stacks too
The one with the Loremasters, for example, had them at this level of resistances permanently
And they have magic and a Dragon on their side, while definitely being comparable to Thanes in terms of pure melee output.
And personally, I think the High Elves also have better items, overall.
Absolutely loved this video. While I probably won't ever recruit a stack like that, I sure as hell appreciate the guy for setting it all up. Very impressive showcase. And impressive patience from you to pilot it : P
This truly is the perfectly iconic Dwarven army... steadfast, stalwart, unmoving, unbreaking, weather it all and just keep swinging. In terms of Dwarven mindset, I can't think of a more Dwarf-like army. The only thing I'd change is adding a spellcaster to add in some firepower, but even that isn't technically needed. Kinda hard to make, but damn... that's a good Dwarven army. :)
This getting a heroic victory is such a total war thing. Made me laugh 🤣
What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. This, this is what happens
This is the army where a hotkeys mod for spells and abilities might be useful lol
Can you link it?
Warhammer 3 comes out:
Dwarfs:
- Uhm... who remains now?
- Guess tanking down some dark gods butt.
- No prob, omw.
Chaos gods are temporary.
Grudges are eternal.
It's kinda weird to watch, it feels like elephants fighting a bunch of ants and elephants are loosing lol
That was really entertaining, couldn't stop laughing at that map at the end.
I'd love to see you do a top 5 or 10 doom stack videos, like top 5 most fun doom stacks, top 5 easiest to build and so on, maybe before total war warhammer 3 comes out as a send off to this version of the game.
Return of the thane
This,... was one of the coolest cinematic marches I've ever seen in a total war game 🤩
I have a few ideas to improve the damage of this stack:
1. There is a cheap craftable Talisman which reduce fire-resist in an area. Combined with the flame banner, it could perhaps increase the damage potential of this stack a fair bit (just remember to remove the flame banner vs fire res units).
2. There is also a random drop item which reduce magic resist in an area by 22%. It would only have minor impact without the Thanes dealing magic damage (which is possible with a Talisman). The downside is that this item goes in the same slot as the Tankard, thus one Runesmith would have to rely on another regen item - or alternatively kill Isabella to give the Runelord regen from another source.
3. I also think having one slow aura weapon could be quite useful to diminish the speed disadvantage (can't kill what you can't reach!).
It's probably also worth replacing one Thane with a Cannon for a siege attacker. The Cannon would of course need to be withdrawn every battle. At the same time, having some ranged firepower ain't too bad when corner camping anyways.
The problem with replacing a thane with a cannon is that it would pretty much eliminate the possibility of using auto-resolve. This Army is already pretty slow at battles so eliminating any hope of skipping some of them is pretty damaging to the usability compared to burning one end turn on building a ram.
@@Mr.ToadJanfu I see your point, though you can do the majority of battles much faster than the one shown in the video.
This is just further proof that Gimli should have stayed to fight the Balrog. Too bad it would have only counted as one kill
On a funny side note, we in WoW had a saying that Gandalf dinged lvl 70 (when the cap was 70) when he defeated the Balrog.
I kind of want to see Legend do a saving your disaster campaign on this one. The last one was a lot of fun to watch.
pretty cool to see that spells bounce off the edge of the map, never tried it before so I assumed it would just go through like models do before they disappear
I was under the impression they do go off the map. I think what you're looking at is the engine of the gods ability and it looks like the AI is aiming it outwards so it will fly off the map? The AI spell aiming cursor is bugged and always looks like it's aiming one way but the spell or ability then goes the other way
This "Warhammer: Jurassictide" trailer looks good
Turn 1624. he is now in warhammer 40000
I like that he named them all after LotR dwarfs.
Legend: "You even took away their oathgold cheese CA!"
Also Legend: *Checks his earnings on CZcams video about how to cheese oathgold.*
😁
I low-key love follow-up videos that show progress from previous videos.
Finally a doomstack video with worthy enemies
I'm normally really down on these hero-spam armies due to practicality, but this one is a hell of a lot more reasonable than most.
Getting the items for the heroes is fine, because late game oathgold is a meme. And as for hero caps, both Thanes and Runesmiths are pretty easy to get a large number of, even if you use 1-2 of them in each of your earlier 'balanced' armies. Impressive, 10/10.
Does a Dread Saurian still count as one?
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@@RRrRRrrRRGoesBrrrRR Ты чё, это отсылка к властелину колец
@@ggleplussuxx4787 ну и я про то) только в гоблинском переводе
I find it cute that the 13 thanes have the names of the 13 dwarfs of the hobbit company. At least that's what I got from the chaos that is the battle. I saw a Durin too.
Looks like the great plan is almost complete in that campaign.
this was more "blood bawl" then warhammer 2 ^^
Turn 1624 .... Nothing to see here...
LOTR Easter egg in dwarfs' names :D
You're right, hahaha
Hobbit
Shame he missed that
Wow, whoever sent that in is such a madlad. I love it. XD
Yo legend, I think the groups have hotkeys defaulted to the number key of the number of the group.
So for example, if you put only the Master Runesmith in group 1, you can select it by pressing 1 while still having your mouse around the abilities wheel, instead of having to sling the mouse left & right just to go click the unitcard.
Same goes for wizards! I know you don't like control groups but if you combine this with the hotkeys for spells (ALT + number) you can probably make your spellcasting more efficient & also raise your spot accuracy because you don't have to sling the mouse between the battlefield & the spells-wheel.
Thanks for a replay of the Fellowship of the Ring battle...with dinosaurs!
I love the Thorin and Company gimick here
@LegendofTotalWar you mention getting a second army to overlap the lord's abilities too (to make sure there are no gaps). Presumably that army would need to have a few runsesmiths too to lower his cooldown? Or does the cooldown reduction work on all units in a given battle instead of just the hero's army?
The plus side of this method is that you wouldn't need as many runesmiths in each army (3 or 4) and you could add more thanes - because it wouldn't matter if there is a bit of cooldown given you now have the second lord to cover the cooldown period. It would mean being a little more careful with the timing of the runes though. Also, dealing with the reinforcement location could be a pig if you're on the defensive.
I enjoyed this video more then I thought I would
Cant wait to see the warhammer 3 doomstacks
Legend: why can't I have a fire caster? Would be so much easier to kill them all
Dwarfs: ...
Legend, doesn't shift clicking self target buffs?
I liked this video because he said dwarfs need cheese and it’s so true.
Legend was the one who taught me about cornercamping and going bowling with your grudge throwers. That's a pretty good cheese.
This is basically how lizardmen vs. dwarves tends to go in Bloodbowl (at least once the dorf team has guard on a few blockers) :P.
do you think this could beat the pompus skinks army since the dwarf leadership is so absurly high and they have regeration and magic isnt that strong vs single entities.the only equelizer could be the life slan but even then the dwarf might be able to out attrtion them since they dont take damage and regen still while on the ground knocked over and they have capped resitanced mostly where as the skins army doesnt
The ancient stegadon one? Yea. The Scar Vet stack? Maybe not.
@Coolostomy i saw several units were breaking 200+ armour meaning even on the worst armour roll they are absorbing 100% of the non AP damage thrown at them. This army would require a scalpel precise counter-build to defeat. As I'm mostly familiar with woodelves I can't imagine anything that would be able to beat them. Not even turbo charge bonus'd units would be able to damage them once you include the phys resist, armour and melee ability. This is probably a time when CA should investigate changing some of the less useful spells to maybe scale with caster level, so that when you cast the armour/MD/MA reducing spells its much more powerful at level 40 than at level 4. Just because the AI doesn't doom stack doesn't mean they can't by accident, all the tools are there for the AI to use.
Perhaps on Legendary campaign the AI should doomstack too, just to drive home that this is the hardest difficulty and Autoresolve should be sparsely used.
This is the strongest doomstack in the game, even stronger than the morale reduction shit. I think only way you could beat this is by having an army consisting entirely of fliers or ranged units which are way faster than dworfs. Maybe something like an army of Skaven rattling gunners with shitload of engineers boosting their movement speed.
@@Iwmar on a 1v1 scenario you are going against a player who has access to magic and he will surely cheese you, he just have to snipe out the master runesmith (im not saying it will be easy tho) and then this army is doomed. Skinks have more ms so you are not going to catch them and they basically have infinite winds of magic
it depends on the trinkets the lizardmen doomstack has (i.e. helm of discord), not only that but a heavens wizard can also bebuff the thanes melee attack and defense making them at least killable.
It's very lore friendly that the ultimate Dwarf doomstack is 20 very, very grumpy dwarves.
Right you are there mate. How engineers do work is with those ranged components liek a gunnery wright would?
Great LotR inspired name list too
Really enjoyed that!
Funnily though - this stack perfectly mirrors the dawi way of fighting
They use unnatural endurance and resistance combined with superior equipment with their very few numbers to best their adversaries
And tbh i dont think they will nerve the cooldown of rune abilities
There is much more broken sh*t ingame otherwise haha 😂
"Local dwarves too grudging to die."
The longbeards are pleased.
6 Runesmiths are overkill, you really don't need to reduce runic ability cooldown to 0 as with just 2 or 4 Runesmiths+the Runelord you can still have 100% uptime of both the armor and ward save runes. Speaking of which, you don't even need the Runelord and can use a regular Lord(or 1 of the legendary lords) with 2-4 Runesmiths and you can easily cap physical resistance with items. Alaric Armor is the most overpowered item in the Oathgold forge, not sure why he isn't using those. With just the Rune of Negation from the Runesmith and ideal items from the forge you can get 90% ward save, perfect vigor, unbreakable and regeneration on all your heroes and the lord. This will be just as good if not better than the 89% ward save Arcane Phoenix doomstack, only with regen, unbreakable and perfect vigor too. Not sure why you said this isn't the strongest doomstack in the game. As you said even this current so called "fully optimized", which it isn't, version is nigh unkillable by even 4 elite armies|(which this wasn't) what else do you need to have the strongest possible doomstack? The damage is not amazing but solid enough and this stack has absolutely 0 weaknesses. Sure it will take a while to kill said 4 stacks of elite enemy armies but with battle timer turned off that's really not an issue. Once defense is strong enough damage stops being a factor and this is the definition of an ultimate doomstack Imho. Other doomstacks, even the so called best ones like Necrofex Collosi spams and whatnot have their limits. This stack on the other hand can theoretically destroy endless stacks, if the game allowed you to fight against more than 4 armies that is.
I'm disappointed you didn't notice that there were 13 Thanes and all 13 were named after the dwarves in Thorin's company.
Should try this with all of the new dwarf reworks to runesmith abilities and such
Come rain, come shine, come massive Dino, the Dawi will hold.
The thumbnail is amazing 😂😂😂
Grudge: Satisfied
For now.
"I can do this all day."
Legend, you should organize a doomstack tournament between the top 10 doomstacks.
would be hard to classify, only some doomstacks are good against a full stack of single entites (wich the most are) but i still would like to see it
"I don't need an army.. I need 20 good dwarfs"
Nothing like a staunch line of dwarves.
i mean putting em in a corner also has the added benefit that not all of the monsters can attack you at the same time
This army beats the lizard wizard stack for sure. Lizard army is waaaaay more of a pain to recruit and you would need to farm items for ages in order to get the necessary items to beat this stack. That also would never happen if the dwarf corner camp due to how hit boxes work. 1 lizard Dino will always be fighting more dwarfs than itself. Magic is also useless against the dwarfs and their leadership is too high to get pompous cheesed and simple item changes could solidify that further bc of the forge.
"Jeff. The red wall is moving."
I'll be here all week...
The Thane in the thumbnail looking like an absolute LAD
Only thing is that you only get perfect vigor when you have leadership above the wavering threshold, so you can put an item to make them unbreakable, so that they always have the perfect vigor - even when 'losing'. Not sure if worth the swap tho
imaginer the amount of lacoste purses those darwii will sell after this combat :D
Isabella will be shopping for months
Following the changes to runes in the Thorek Ironbrow update is this stack redundant?