I really don't undestand that amount of people commenting on every video that they need autofocus because they are operating solo... I have been operating solo all my life (20 years working as a cameraman) and I have always focused myself. I have shot commercials, news stuff, short films, real estate videos, weddings... It's not that difficult to focus correctly! I just can't understand the "NEED" to have an stellar autofocus feature. Learn your screen, learn to focus! It's a really valuable skill in our profession 😄
Put good prime FF lens on, set aperture at 1.2 and try to shoot close up of a talent during expressive scene, then you have only eyes in focus, but this focus should be nailed down despite head movement. Or put it on gimbal and try to make smooth transition from full/medium shot to close up. And you'll understand. A7s3's autofocus can make things not any good focus puller can, not to mention solo shooting.
@@CostaSparrow yes but you're talking about a very very specific situation. How often have you had to do a close up shot with 1.2 AND on a gimbal? I doubt its very often. Almost all films are shot manually. Look at NFL videos. Those shots are all focused manually. Yes a camera can have fantastic autofocus, but it can't tell a story. We as the camera operator do that. You can shoot with either one and still get really good footage, you just have to ask yourself what your needs are.
@@omargonzalez3081 Actually, quite often on my shoots. Very shallow DOF is a powerful tool and it can dramatically improve your storytelling and visual quality if you know how to use it. As well as shifting from close up to medium/full shot in one shot, remember famous scene from Citizen Cane, people study it in cinema schools, cinematographers needed a whole crew to accomplish it but now everyone can do it just with good gimbal and Sony camera. This is fantastic. As for manual focus on big productions, it’s not that simple, as it seems. Super35 sensor (Arri Alexa, Alexa Mini, etc) have less shallow DOF, it's easier. Focus pullers have their own working limits and can easily say to you that he would not go below 2.8 or you can take it on your own risk. You need to have very experienced focus puller in your team if you want to shoot on FF on open apertures, make focus rehearsals, but even with all this you still need to ask for additional takes from time to time because of focus mistakes.
@@omargonzalez3081 exactly, I don't see the need at all for having every shot at 1.2 on a full frame camera. I just don't get it, it's not my thing at all. Some images would require shallow depth of field, some would not. Most of the time is only used for aesthetical reasons, not other reason at all. I have seen videos with a really shallow depth of filed in most of their shots and they were unwatchable. But it's a personal choice. I just don't get the "Need! Need! " part.
@@Andresvideo before Sony a7iii eye detecting autofocus cinematographers were not producing any beautiful work. its just all started after Mirrorless cameras released. before that all the Cinematography work done by solo oprator was not useful at all. don't know what they were doing before. lol
You got it absolutely right! The Sony is great for one man crews - the Blackmagic 6kPro for serious professional productions with a small crew! Keep both! Just a case of which tool is right for the job!
I'm using my 6K Pro as a one-man army lol. It's all good, though.. I got a nice run and gun setup and it's fine. Loving it so far. I've used the A7SIII and it's nice. Haven't used it for a job or anything just took some photos. Great cam.
@@CostaSparrow It's about horses for courses, the SONY can of course be used with a crew but the fact is that it makes a perfect solo shooter camera. If Sony had a native raw format that could be used in-camera, it would be a perfect tool for just about everything.
@@cbarunkumar yeah, right, that's for sure. I hate these marketing and corporate wars, where we cannot write raw in camera, use prores raw in davinci, use blackmagic assist and braw with Sony A7SIII and so on.
Totally agree with your choice. I went with the A7siii because 99% of the time its going to be just me shooting. I also film myself sometimes so the flip screen helps. If I was ever in a position to have a DP, Focus puller etc on the regular I would be looking into the BM as well.
@@aperturefilm Sorry but I never tried the 4k version. But I would definitely miss the internal ND for sure (so handy!) and also the Gen5 colors. But I think I would prefer the form factor of the 4k because the 6k Pro is so bulky (not great with gimbals). Since then, I bought a Sony FX3 and a FX6 but I still much prefer the image quality coming from my Pocket 6k Pro!
I’m surprised about your battery experience with the 6k Pro. My batteries last about an hour each. And if I use the battery grip, I can shoot for about three hours straight with the 6k Pro. I did buy their original batteries because the off brand ones did not last as long. It’s a fantastic camera. The only thing I wish it had is a continuous auto focus. I haven’t used it for CZcams, but I’m planning on it soon when I go back to making videos after some challenges during the past few months with work and personally. Thank you for taking the time to do good videos. I think you’re a classy guy. Cheers!
Thoughtful video thanks. Having owned two APSC sonys and really enjoyed them until I outgrew them on a few levels (8bit, 1080 slo-mo, overheating, 30min record limits etc) I went to a BMPCC 4K. Took me ages to really come to grips with it but I really love it now. Sometimes I wonder if I would've like the A7siii better but some of the limitations you've articulated here would drive me nuts. I don't actually have any problem being a solo shooter with a fully manual, rigged cine cam and I feel like I'm still just scratching the surface of what I can do with this camera. Obviously you have to do all the work that the sony would do for you, but it's a different type of film making and the more I'm constrained by that, the more I love it. Now I think a lot more about adding P6K one day or maybe even a Komodo - but not a Sony. As a hybrid camera, yes, Sony all the way. Still use and love my two for photos and occasional video use (and they still hold up after all these years!)
Perfect vid for me,Currently own the a7iii and looking to upscale my video works I have been looking at the bmpc6k and a7s3 ..the price of the a7s3 scares me a lil,but then I already have sony native lenses
So glad you got something from it! It's a big commitment, but what great cameras! You can also check out our a7III vs a7SIII video if you'd like czcams.com/video/j72PaWqKgz8/video.html
I own the BMCCP 6K pro and I can work around all the downsides except for the autofocus and the active tracking. Nailing focus each time fast and be able to keep in focus when moving is so important for me as a single operator that I am considering to switch over to the Sony. I own the Sigma 18-35 as well as the Canon 24-105mm. Can someone tell me if with the adaptor the AF will perform as well as do the Sony lenses?
Hi, I stumbled upon reading your comment and I happen to shoot with both BMPCC6K and Sony. MC-11 will work perfectly fine with my two sigmas, one being 18-35 and the other being 24-105. 18-35 is usable at 24mm mark and wider. 24-105 is fine because it is designed for full frame. I have shot music videos only using the18-35 and if you want to see how they work in terms of autofocus, let me know and I will post the link.
I currently have a Panasonic S5 for vlogging but I'm thinking of adding the bmpcc 6k pro to my kit for more serious productions. Different tools for different jobs. Great video!
Agree that they could have made it a box shape. One thing keeping me away from BM is the weird shape. Requires a bit more work to balance on gimbals. But the 2x 1/4" screw at the bottom is great though. Wish all cameras had that.
I have never tried Sony. Yet I have to love the black magic, and still, I'll keep using my canon 90d, which is cropped but low beast budget. Love your review, buddy.
I ditched my 90D for a 6k pro and the speed you can shoot with is massive. The screen is so intuitive and nd filters wil save you minutes. Editing bm raw is a completely different animal to mp4. Hope you get the chance to try one bro 😎
The sound in your roll out sounds distorted to me, pegging too hard, but that's a common problem these days. Nice comparison. I want low light adventure, so there's no question for me there. I thought the BM could do more in that arena, but it doesn't seem to be the case. WHat are you feelings on the Sony compared to the NIkon Z series? Prob not even worth doing huh?
Nice comparison. I'm torn between Sony or BMD. Love G Master lenses, Alpha 1 specs, but also love the BMD ecosystem of cameras, ATEM remote camera control, ATEM ISO recording live camera switching to a Resolve project file ready for editing.
Thanks! If you're going to be doing any kind of live switching, there's really no choice. BMD as you has just has everything you need and it all talks to each other! Sony feels like it'll be more trouble than it's worth tbh. But if you're shooting to be edited later, Sony is great!
Haven't used the A1, but currently own the 6k Pro and have to say that shooting with it is a blast. It's so clean and organized. BMD has really honed in the color science and knows what buttons to prioritize on the exterior. In comparison, the Sony A7III feels like a little kids you or a TikTok camera, even though I know it’s capable of capturing compelling footage. 6k RAW plays smoothly in Premiere at 1/4 quality on half-decent computers without proxies (God bless BMD's codec). The one issue I’ve had with it is its size. If you are going to get a gimbal for it, make sure there’s plenty of clearance on all sides for this camera because it is awkwardly large (especially in width). Doesn't feel too awkward in the hand, but I haven't been able to get it to balance properly with the Ronin S gimbal because it barely fits. In addition the weight isn't evenly distributed so trying to balance the tilt axis has been a headache. You can easily buy a better gimbal though with the money you save over the A1. Hope that helps and lemme know what you decide!
I think you are every smart in purchasing both cameras for solo use and use with a production crew. I am mostly a solo shooter who does events and I am toiling between these two cameras. I appreciate your honest opinion and attention to detail good lock on fur productions. Look for ward to more videos.
These cameras are not in the same leage. I work for a network TV fishing show and would never use BMPCC unless it was for broll. If you are shooting a film the BMPCC is a better choice but for everything else the all other sony cameras beat the BMPCC. (I own both)
@@ekphotography try and pull manual focus on a boat and also managing the audio and everything as a 1 man crew. With a sony a7siii or even a sony a7iii is the superior camera for shooting an outdoor reality TV shows. I might know because I own and use both. I think the bmpcc have superior image quality but there are alot of other factors to think about when shooting reality TV/run and gun doc style shooting.
I own the 6k rented the Sony and to be honest I like the 6k image better. You are right concerning usability but as a 6k owner and starter I got use to setting and pulling manual. Using the Sony auto focus was a dream but there was a couple times it hunted in the middle of a killer shot.
Great video. I think you missed out on stabilisation though, where the Sony obviously takes the cake. If you go solo with the BM you'll have to get the gimbal with focus motor too. With Sony that's not the case. And, add the gimbal cost to the BM and you're almost at the Sony's price.
Not gonna lie. I did not realise that until you said it... Probably because I didn't buy them both at the same time. Bought the a7Siii when it came out and the BMPCC wasn't even a thought in my mind... The FX6 is slightly more expensive here in South Africa, but seriously worth considering... 🤔 Thanks so much!
APSC and Super 35 are actually really close in dimensions, so there is no vignetting. You can use most APSC lenses on super 35mm cameras, even up to the RED's and Alexas that are not full frame
In my opinion there is not much sense to compare the BMPCC to the current mirrorless line up of cameras. The BMPCC in my opinion is best shot fully rigged out with cage, external SSD, v-mount battery and follow focus. If you are really serious you can even throw nice cine lenses on there. Working with that package the missing image stabilisation doesnt matter so much, because the mass of the setup eliminiates micro shakes and you do shoot in a different style anyway. the camera produces beautiful images and BRaw is a joy to use in davinci resolve
Nope, your thought process is sound. The Blackmagic is more for when you have a crew and that's how we use them. Blackmagic raw gives so much leeway in the editing process, especially with Davinchi. The sony on the other hand with its auto focus and other features is great for a one-man band. Every job doesn't require the 6k and it saves you time with the smaller body.
Hello. Can somebody tell me if the footage of both cameras are easy to match with each other in post? I own the BMCCP6K pro but I am considering buying the Sony A7 Iii s as well for the reasons mentioned in this video. But what if on a production I use both?
Since I don't see answers here; I can tell you that I've tried to match and older generation Blackmagic to an older generation Sony and it seemed impossible. I haven't tried these two models in particular.
f1.8 x 1.56 (crop) = 2.808 (in Full Frame 1.0 Crop). So It doesn't make any difference if you have f1.8 on a crop sensor or f2.8 on a full frame sensor. Now 18-35 is about 24-50 on full frame. So I think a 24-70mm is a bit better than. I would have gotton Sigma 24-70 and not Tamron.
@@dennisbucher6200 Not to the Lens itself but to the end result of the picture caused by the crop factor of a lens. So to make the calculation I did makes sense if you thinking about the end result not the technical aspect of the lens. otherwise, yeah.. a f1.8 lens will always stay 1.8 but the look equals regarding the sensor size. So what you said might be nice to knw in theory, but doesn't help if you want to achive a certain look.
Thanks my guy! I'm looking at purchasing my very first but I was conflicted between the BMPCC (4K) and the Canon C300 MK2. I'm leaning towards BMPCC though 😂
Quite the difference in budget you got there 😂 The blackmagic is gonna be awesome! And you've got a massive variety of lenses that will fit that camera! Good luck 😁
5:53 - The comparison is not unfair... it's your way of assessing where it is unfair. I own the A7sIII and I seriously dont get what you mean that the Sony's ISO 25600 is usable after noise reduction - it absolutely is NOT, not even a bit! Unless your video quality requirement only needs to be up to youtube standards of cos. And I found it silly you wanna compare their autofocus as clearly the BM6k is just basic. U should compare the Sony's AF to a Canon. Seems like you too are over-influenced by the silly hype of the internet claiming the Sony is 100% flawless when it is in fact NOT
I am new at this & I’m actually needing both of these cameras (for still video work/filming dj sets, etc). I’ve paired the Blackmagic 6k Pro with a Tokina 11-16mm. However, I am not sure which lens equivalent would give me the same mm range in the Sony a7iii. I’ve read that 11mm in blackmagic is actually like 17mm in a full frame camera… etc. any insight?
Hi. Those are awesome cameras! We're enjoying ours as well :) So the blackmagic has a super 35mm sensor and the Sony has a full frame 35mm sensor, which is larger. The crop factor is 1.6x so your wide angle lens needs to be multiplied by 1.6 and then you'll know how wide your full frame lens should be. Hope that helps!
Yeah pretty much. The Tamron 17-28 f2.8 is a beautiful lens and is probably exactly what you're looking for :) There's also the Sony 16-35. But the f2.8 & f4 versions are both pretty expensive
@@LoopedPictures I was looking exactly at the Tamron! I’ve heard good things only. And yes, the Sony (and other) lenses are very expensive. But for my needs, I think these choices will more than suffice. Thank you a lot for your replies, insight, and reassurance!
Hello. I am watching your reviews and thank you for your work. I would like to advise you on buying 6k video recording equipment. £ 3,000 maximum The camera is to be used to record music videos and reportages. Thank you.
Hi. If you really need a 6k camera, I think the original BMPCC 6k is your only option at that price. It's a marvelous camera, so that would be my recommendation. Perhaps with the signal 18-35 f1.8 if it's still in your budget.
Honestly, only used the BMPCC about 3 times in the last 3 months... Everything about the Sony is much simpler and easier to use on corporates. But whenever a narrative shoot comes along and I have a larger team, the blackmagic just makes a much nicer image. But the sony is definitely my go to for most jobs
@@LoopedPictures I suspected that… we all do that thing where we think we are going to be somehow more connected to the cinema and cinematic ethos if we use the cinema cameras but then realise lugging the heavy gear comes in a way of creating and technology moved up so fast and at the end of the day cameras really don’t matter that much and end up going for what is physically easier 🙃 thanks for your answer brother - happy trails 🙌
Please, in the next video, show more image of the cameras more than you speak, its very important you speak but there is no images and videos of results
The A7Siii is noisier than the blackmagic between iso 3200-10000 before you can use the second native iso again at 12800. So simply ignore facts like this is not a reasonable comparison.
@@LoopedPictures It doesn't make sense to me how you mess up the color...?? people need to say, they dont know color temp of environment they are shooting in or how to correctly white balance their image.
It's not always possible to know the colour temperature all the time. Especially when shooting events with all sorts of mixed and matched colour lights. If you don't know how to compensate, it's easy to mess up colour balance. Luckily, it doesn't matter with RAW
I would sell the sony fx3, and buy cinema lenses for black magic 6k pro, and some accessories. So one camera is really rigged out, and not two cams, 50 50
I definitely believe that having two systems is a waste of money. Having a lot of people around the camera will increase the production costs. Blackmagic looks like the poor cinematographer's camera to me. Those ND-s are a joke. FX6 has up to 128 ND value which is very useful in sunny situations.
You're forgetting about its rental value. And what about low budget music video and short film shoots where most of the crew is giving their time for free? When you can only spend money on a camera and barely anything else, getting a great one at a low cost is very valuable.
@@LoopedPictures don't get me wrong, your review is great. But I'll still wait for BMPCC Pro SWRFGF+ (Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera Pro with SDI, Wi-Fi, RF mount, Good Autofocus and others.
Sony has amazing battery life? Did you smoke crack before this? 30 minutes shooting tops, batteries dead, on any Sony mirrorless model. Also, the comment on mounts makes no sense. Neither mount is "more versatile". They both require adapters to put any non-proprietary lenses on. Also, yes, resolution IS everything. Saying it isn't is kind of silly. That's like saying a cinema film can be in 720p and it's fine, which is clearly not the case. Resolution is possibly the biggest quality determinant of all.
@@blossommediastudios Actually, it is. If you were the greatest filmmaker on Earth in 2021, but all of your videos / films are shot in 480p, no one is going to watch your videos. Period. Anyone that says otherwise is just puffing up his own pride and has overconfidence in his "skill" as a photographer. People in this age have already become accustomed to high resolution videos, and they are looking for the next best thing. No one is going to accept sub-par resolution. The argument could be made that resolution and good gear are THE most important thing.
@@drift8021 I can give a film school freshman a res camera and I can give a graduate a 1080p camera I can almost guarantee you the overall work will be more professional from the graduate
@@blossommediastudios And I would love to see any evidence of that. Any competent, artistic person can learn almost all there is about photography in a year or so if they put their mind to it. Film school is just an overrated way to dump loads of cash into a for-profit business that serves the self-inflated egos of people that think they are special because they went to film school. Also, the difference between a RED and a 1080p is not enough to make a difference. Those resolutions are both decent resolutions that the average consumer is used to. Try to make that argument comparing a RED to a 480p phone video from 1999, and you'll get my point. The number one most important thing that will determine if someone watches your video in the first few seconds is the resolution and gear. After that, they might stay long enough for the story. Even then, it doesn't take a "film student" or rocket scientists to create a decent story.
Hey sooo sad major advantage of black magic is affordable,nd filters,larger screen , 6k resolution… you just say these stuffs in the conclusion we are wait to the see the exact quality of these to cameras at the optimal level …🥲 i hope you would consider in the future
I really don't undestand that amount of people commenting on every video that they need autofocus because they are operating solo... I have been operating solo all my life (20 years working as a cameraman) and I have always focused myself.
I have shot commercials, news stuff, short films, real estate videos, weddings... It's not that difficult to focus correctly!
I just can't understand the "NEED" to have an stellar autofocus feature.
Learn your screen, learn to focus! It's a really valuable skill in our profession 😄
Put good prime FF lens on, set aperture at 1.2 and try to shoot close up of a talent during expressive scene, then you have only eyes in focus, but this focus should be nailed down despite head movement. Or put it on gimbal and try to make smooth transition from full/medium shot to close up. And you'll understand. A7s3's autofocus can make things not any good focus puller can, not to mention solo shooting.
@@CostaSparrow yes but you're talking about a very very specific situation. How often have you had to do a close up shot with 1.2 AND on a gimbal? I doubt its very often. Almost all films are shot manually. Look at NFL videos. Those shots are all focused manually. Yes a camera can have fantastic autofocus, but it can't tell a story. We as the camera operator do that. You can shoot with either one and still get really good footage, you just have to ask yourself what your needs are.
@@omargonzalez3081 Actually, quite often on my shoots. Very shallow DOF is a powerful tool and it can dramatically improve your storytelling and visual quality if you know how to use it. As well as shifting from close up to medium/full shot in one shot, remember famous scene from Citizen Cane, people study it in cinema schools, cinematographers needed a whole crew to accomplish it but now everyone can do it just with good gimbal and Sony camera. This is fantastic.
As for manual focus on big productions, it’s not that simple, as it seems. Super35 sensor (Arri Alexa, Alexa Mini, etc) have less shallow DOF, it's easier. Focus pullers have their own working limits and can easily say to you that he would not go below 2.8 or you can take it on your own risk. You need to have very experienced focus puller in your team if you want to shoot on FF on open apertures, make focus rehearsals, but even with all this you still need to ask for additional takes from time to time because of focus mistakes.
@@omargonzalez3081 exactly, I don't see the need at all for having every shot at 1.2 on a full frame camera. I just don't get it, it's not my thing at all. Some images would require shallow depth of field, some would not. Most of the time is only used for aesthetical reasons, not other reason at all.
I have seen videos with a really shallow depth of filed in most of their shots and they were unwatchable.
But it's a personal choice. I just don't get the "Need! Need! " part.
@@Andresvideo before Sony a7iii eye detecting autofocus cinematographers were not producing any beautiful work. its just all started after Mirrorless cameras released. before that all the Cinematography work done by solo oprator was not useful at all. don't know what they were doing before. lol
You got it absolutely right! The Sony is great for one man crews - the Blackmagic 6kPro for serious professional productions with a small crew! Keep both! Just a case of which tool is right for the job!
I'm using my 6K Pro as a one-man army lol. It's all good, though.. I got a nice run and gun setup and it's fine. Loving it so far.
I've used the A7SIII and it's nice. Haven't used it for a job or anything just took some photos. Great cam.
How does the BM compare when it comes to stills? Is it capable of producing great quality images?
I haven't heard any points here preventing you from using Sony with a crew. Except from resolution maybe. So its quite a strange summary.
@@CostaSparrow It's about horses for courses, the SONY can of course be used with a crew but the fact is that it makes a perfect solo shooter camera. If Sony had a native raw format that could be used in-camera, it would be a perfect tool for just about everything.
@@cbarunkumar yeah, right, that's for sure. I hate these marketing and corporate wars, where we cannot write raw in camera, use prores raw in davinci, use blackmagic assist and braw with Sony A7SIII and so on.
Totally agree with your choice. I went with the A7siii because 99% of the time its going to be just me shooting. I also film myself sometimes so the flip screen helps. If I was ever in a position to have a DP, Focus puller etc on the regular I would be looking into the BM as well.
Blackmagic for artists, Sony for “get the job done quickly”
Well said
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I use my Pocket 6K pro for everything and it has been great so far
I have the 4k, you think I should switch to 6k pro ?
@@aperturefilm Sorry but I never tried the 4k version. But I would definitely miss the internal ND for sure (so handy!) and also the Gen5 colors. But I think I would prefer the form factor of the 4k because the 6k Pro is so bulky (not great with gimbals).
Since then, I bought a Sony FX3 and a FX6 but I still much prefer the image quality coming from my Pocket 6k Pro!
I’m surprised about your battery experience with the 6k Pro. My batteries last about an hour each. And if I use the battery grip, I can shoot for about three hours straight with the 6k Pro. I did buy their original batteries because the off brand ones did not last as long. It’s a fantastic camera. The only thing I wish it had is a continuous auto focus. I haven’t used it for CZcams, but I’m planning on it soon when I go back to making videos after some challenges during the past few months with work and personally. Thank you for taking the time to do good videos. I think you’re a classy guy. Cheers!
Thoughtful video thanks. Having owned two APSC sonys and really enjoyed them until I outgrew them on a few levels (8bit, 1080 slo-mo, overheating, 30min record limits etc) I went to a BMPCC 4K. Took me ages to really come to grips with it but I really love it now. Sometimes I wonder if I would've like the A7siii better but some of the limitations you've articulated here would drive me nuts. I don't actually have any problem being a solo shooter with a fully manual, rigged cine cam and I feel like I'm still just scratching the surface of what I can do with this camera. Obviously you have to do all the work that the sony would do for you, but it's a different type of film making and the more I'm constrained by that, the more I love it. Now I think a lot more about adding P6K one day or maybe even a Komodo - but not a Sony. As a hybrid camera, yes, Sony all the way. Still use and love my two for photos and occasional video use (and they still hold up after all these years!)
Perfect vid for me,Currently own the a7iii and looking to upscale my video works I have been looking at the bmpc6k and a7s3 ..the price of the a7s3 scares me a lil,but then I already have sony native lenses
So glad you got something from it! It's a big commitment, but what great cameras! You can also check out our a7III vs a7SIII video if you'd like
czcams.com/video/j72PaWqKgz8/video.html
Don't forget there is a follow invest with the Blackmagic to make it usable. Power, memory, ... It relativizes the pricedifference.
How does the BM compare when it comes to stills? Is it capable of producing great quality images?
I own the BMCCP 6K pro and I can work around all the downsides except for the autofocus and the active tracking. Nailing focus each time fast and be able to keep in focus when moving is so important for me as a single operator that I am considering to switch over to the Sony. I own the Sigma 18-35 as well as the Canon 24-105mm. Can someone tell me if with the adaptor the AF will perform as well as do the Sony lenses?
I've heard the Sigma MC-11 adapter is pretty good. Haven't used it myself though
Just buy one of those focus 3d focus system and motor from DJI instead
Hi, I stumbled upon reading your comment and I happen to shoot with both BMPCC6K and Sony.
MC-11 will work perfectly fine with my two sigmas, one being 18-35 and the other being 24-105.
18-35 is usable at 24mm mark and wider. 24-105 is fine because it is designed for full frame.
I have shot music videos only using the18-35 and if you want to see how they work in terms of autofocus, let me know and I will post the link.
I’ve wanted to see this for a while - thanks!!
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
I currently have a Panasonic S5 for vlogging but I'm thinking of adding the bmpcc 6k pro to my kit for more serious productions. Different tools for different jobs. Great video!
Agree that they could have made it a box shape. One thing keeping me away from BM is the weird shape. Requires a bit more work to balance on gimbals. But the 2x 1/4" screw at the bottom is great though. Wish all cameras had that.
I have never tried Sony. Yet I have to love the black magic, and still, I'll keep using my canon 90d, which is cropped but low beast budget. Love your review, buddy.
I ditched my 90D for a 6k pro and the speed you can shoot with is massive. The screen is so intuitive and nd filters wil save you minutes. Editing bm raw is a completely different animal to mp4. Hope you get the chance to try one bro 😎
@@Mr_Kenneth I’m looking to replace my 90D and this may have tipped me over the fence to go ahead and order, especially since I have EF glass
There are so many great cameras out there! Thank you for this comparison 👍
So glad you liked it!! :)
I'm coming in fresh and decided on the blackmagic.. Price to performance is awesome and all my lens are EF anyway!!
Good choice!
The sound in your roll out sounds distorted to me, pegging too hard, but that's a common problem these days. Nice comparison. I want low light adventure, so there's no question for me there. I thought the BM could do more in that arena, but it doesn't seem to be the case. WHat are you feelings on the Sony compared to the NIkon Z series? Prob not even worth doing huh?
Nice comparison. I'm torn between Sony or BMD. Love G Master lenses, Alpha 1 specs, but also love the BMD ecosystem of cameras, ATEM remote camera control, ATEM ISO recording live camera switching to a Resolve project file ready for editing.
Thanks! If you're going to be doing any kind of live switching, there's really no choice. BMD as you has just has everything you need and it all talks to each other! Sony feels like it'll be more trouble than it's worth tbh. But if you're shooting to be edited later, Sony is great!
Haven't used the A1, but currently own the 6k Pro and have to say that shooting with it is a blast. It's so clean and organized. BMD has really honed in the color science and knows what buttons to prioritize on the exterior. In comparison, the Sony A7III feels like a little kids you or a TikTok camera, even though I know it’s capable of capturing compelling footage. 6k RAW plays smoothly in Premiere at 1/4 quality on half-decent computers without proxies (God bless BMD's codec).
The one issue I’ve had with it is its size. If you are going to get a gimbal for it, make sure there’s plenty of clearance on all sides for this camera because it is awkwardly large (especially in width). Doesn't feel too awkward in the hand, but I haven't been able to get it to balance properly with the Ronin S gimbal because it barely fits. In addition the weight isn't evenly distributed so trying to balance the tilt axis has been a headache. You can easily buy a better gimbal though with the money you save over the A1. Hope that helps and lemme know what you decide!
Excellent, thorough and authentic comparison. Really helped me out as am trying to decide between them both. Thank you!
Really appreciate that and glad it could help you!
Best comparison video I’ve seen in a very long while.
Thanks so much! Glad you liked it :)
I think you are every smart in purchasing both cameras for solo use and use with a production crew. I am mostly a solo shooter who does events and I am toiling between these two cameras. I appreciate your honest opinion and attention to detail good lock on fur productions. Look for ward to more videos.
Glad we could help with your decision!!
What camera would you suggest for podcasting. I’m wanting a nice camera. Looking at similar prices to these cameras.
So do you recommend I get the Blackmagic 6k or the a7iii , If I’m going to be filming music videos ?
These cameras are not in the same leage. I work for a network TV fishing show and would never use BMPCC unless it was for broll. If you are shooting a film the BMPCC is a better choice but for everything else the all other sony cameras beat the BMPCC. (I own both)
I beg to differ.. 6K Braw will make the Sony look like a joke. Although not good maybe for a fishing show.
@@ekphotography try and pull manual focus on a boat and also managing the audio and everything as a 1 man crew. With a sony a7siii or even a sony a7iii is the superior camera for shooting an outdoor reality TV shows. I might know because I own and use both. I think the bmpcc have superior image quality but there are alot of other factors to think about when shooting reality TV/run and gun doc style shooting.
@@ekphotography that difference mainly matters if you accidently film with the wrong white balance. Other than that the Sony can look very good.
@@kvalimad Ofcourse the Sony can look good, actually great, but not “better” than the P6K... no way, no how!
I own the 6k rented the Sony and to be honest I like the 6k image better. You are right concerning usability but as a 6k owner and starter I got use to setting and pulling manual. Using the Sony auto focus was a dream but there was a couple times it hunted in the middle of a killer shot.
Great video. I think you missed out on stabilisation though, where the Sony obviously takes the cake. If you go solo with the BM you'll have to get the gimbal with focus motor too. With Sony that's not the case. And, add the gimbal cost to the BM and you're almost at the Sony's price.
Oh that's true. It's another one of those points where you can't even compare them. The BM just doesn't have stabilization 😂 But good point on price
So you would rather take the sony?
but why not take a gimbal to an important shoot anyway
How does the BM compare when it comes to stills? Is it capable of producing great quality images?
Please who is best for video clip shooting by me only ?? A7siii or black magic 6k pro ???🙏🙏
what about stabilization? btw good video :)
I agree with you, although for the price of both you have an Fx6
Not gonna lie. I did not realise that until you said it... Probably because I didn't buy them both at the same time. Bought the a7Siii when it came out and the BMPCC wasn't even a thought in my mind... The FX6 is slightly more expensive here in South Africa, but seriously worth considering... 🤔 Thanks so much!
@@LoopedPictures If you can get one! They have been on backorder for months.
Hmm... Decisions need to be made 😂
How does the ASPC Sigma 18mm-35mm lens behave in the super35 BMPCC6KPRO sensor? does it vignette?
APSC and Super 35 are actually really close in dimensions, so there is no vignetting. You can use most APSC lenses on super 35mm cameras, even up to the RED's and Alexas that are not full frame
In my opinion there is not much sense to compare the BMPCC to the current mirrorless line up of cameras.
The BMPCC in my opinion is best shot fully rigged out with cage, external SSD, v-mount battery and follow focus. If you are really serious you can even throw nice cine lenses on there.
Working with that package the missing image stabilisation doesnt matter so much, because the mass of the setup eliminiates micro shakes and you do shoot in a different style anyway. the camera produces beautiful images and BRaw is a joy to use in davinci resolve
Nope, your thought process is sound. The Blackmagic is more for when you have a crew and that's how we use them. Blackmagic raw gives so much leeway in the editing process, especially with Davinchi. The sony on the other hand with its auto focus and other features is great for a one-man band. Every job doesn't require the 6k and it saves you time with the smaller body.
What about focus noise ? On these two ?
I can only afford the BM and I'll use this camera to save up for the $3500 Sony plus the expensive lenses you need for it. (Budget perspective)
I think you laid out great reasons to keep both cameras. Subscribed and liked.
Thanks so much!! Glad you liked it :)
Hello. Can somebody tell me if the footage of both cameras are easy to match with each other in post? I own the BMCCP6K pro but I am considering buying the Sony A7 Iii s as well for the reasons mentioned in this video. But what if on a production I use both?
Since I don't see answers here; I can tell you that I've tried to match and older generation Blackmagic to an older generation Sony and it seemed impossible. I haven't tried these two models in particular.
How does the BM compare when it comes to stills? Is it capable of producing great quality images?
Horrible from my experience. I have the 4K.
Yeah! They are both amazing
f1.8 x 1.56 (crop) = 2.808 (in Full Frame 1.0 Crop). So It doesn't make any difference if you have f1.8 on a crop sensor or f2.8 on a full frame sensor. Now 18-35 is about 24-50 on full frame. So I think a 24-70mm is a bit better than. I would have gotton Sigma 24-70 and not Tamron.
That's a good point! Definitely agree that 24 is better than the 28. But I bought it at a time when money was an issue 😂 Thanks for the tip :)
Not true, crop factor doesn't apply to aputure. F1.8 will always be F1.8, no matter what sensor you're using.
@@dennisbucher6200 Not to the Lens itself but to the end result of the picture caused by the crop factor of a lens. So to make the calculation I did makes sense if you thinking about the end result not the technical aspect of the lens. otherwise, yeah.. a f1.8 lens will always stay 1.8 but the look equals regarding the sensor size. So what you said might be nice to knw in theory, but doesn't help if you want to achive a certain look.
@@dennisbucher6200 Besides that..did I say anything about aputure?
Thanks my guy! I'm looking at purchasing my very first but I was conflicted between the BMPCC (4K) and the Canon C300 MK2. I'm leaning towards BMPCC though 😂
Quite the difference in budget you got there 😂 The blackmagic is gonna be awesome! And you've got a massive variety of lenses that will fit that camera! Good luck 😁
Hey hectic. Did you grab the bmpcc 4K?
We always prefer SONY ❤
What about still photography. Wild life, nature, sports?
Stills a7Riv, the others a9.
dope channel stoked on these comparisons, thank you
Thanks so much! :)
Good overview, thanks
5:53 - The comparison is not unfair... it's your way of assessing where it is unfair. I own the A7sIII and I seriously dont get what you mean that the Sony's ISO 25600 is usable after noise reduction - it absolutely is NOT, not even a bit! Unless your video quality requirement only needs to be up to youtube standards of cos. And I found it silly you wanna compare their autofocus as clearly the BM6k is just basic. U should compare the Sony's AF to a Canon. Seems like you too are over-influenced by the silly hype of the internet claiming the Sony is 100% flawless when it is in fact NOT
Can you shoot flat on BMCC6K?
Great video. Greetings from Poland🇵🇱.
good review! thanks
Thanks from Russia for this video🖤🖤🖤
So glad you liked it! :)
What about the Ibis?????
I am new at this & I’m actually needing both of these cameras (for still video work/filming dj sets, etc). I’ve paired the Blackmagic 6k Pro with a Tokina 11-16mm. However, I am not sure which lens equivalent would give me the same mm range in the Sony a7iii. I’ve read that 11mm in blackmagic is actually like 17mm in a full frame camera… etc. any insight?
Hi. Those are awesome cameras! We're enjoying ours as well :)
So the blackmagic has a super 35mm sensor and the Sony has a full frame 35mm sensor, which is larger. The crop factor is 1.6x so your wide angle lens needs to be multiplied by 1.6 and then you'll know how wide your full frame lens should be. Hope that helps!
@@LoopedPictures alright, so a 17-28mm on the Sony would give me ~ BMPCC’ 11-16 🙂
Yeah pretty much. The Tamron 17-28 f2.8 is a beautiful lens and is probably exactly what you're looking for :) There's also the Sony 16-35. But the f2.8 & f4 versions are both pretty expensive
@@LoopedPictures I was looking exactly at the Tamron! I’ve heard good things only. And yes, the Sony (and other) lenses are very expensive. But for my needs, I think these choices will more than suffice. Thank you a lot for your replies, insight, and reassurance!
How does the BM compare when it comes to stills? Is it capable of producing great quality images?
Hello. I am watching your reviews and thank you for your work. I would like to advise you on buying 6k video recording equipment. £ 3,000 maximum
The camera is to be used to record music videos and reportages. Thank you.
Hi. If you really need a 6k camera, I think the original BMPCC 6k is your only option at that price. It's a marvelous camera, so that would be my recommendation. Perhaps with the signal 18-35 f1.8 if it's still in your budget.
@@LoopedPictures thx :)
You should have talked about image quality. Why are you filming in braw with your pcc6kpro, it's for that amazing color science from bm 😁😁
So what you end-up picking up most now? I’m having the same dilemma now 🙈😅
Honestly, only used the BMPCC about 3 times in the last 3 months... Everything about the Sony is much simpler and easier to use on corporates. But whenever a narrative shoot comes along and I have a larger team, the blackmagic just makes a much nicer image. But the sony is definitely my go to for most jobs
@@LoopedPictures I suspected that… we all do that thing where we think we are going to be somehow more connected to the cinema and cinematic ethos if we use the cinema cameras but then realise lugging the heavy gear comes in a way of creating and technology moved up so fast and at the end of the day cameras really don’t matter that much and end up going for what is physically easier 🙃 thanks for your answer brother - happy trails 🙌
Great information - THANK YOU !
So glad you liked it!!
why is this video so grainy?
I have to have built in ND filters
great enlighting review man, also you're sympathetic and frank, fun to watch!!
Thanks for this video... ♥️♥️♥️
CLearly they forgot to improve the name of their camera 😂 one heck of a tongue twister 👅 🌪
Right!?!? 😂😂
And it doesn’t even fit in pocket now
@@zerovideography lmao good one 👌
Amazing video Jacooooooooo
😂 Thanks man
Please, in the next video, show more image of the cameras more than you speak, its very important you speak but there is no images and videos of results
Amazing Work 👍
Thanks so much!
THANKS PAL!
Great video.
The A7Siii is noisier than the blackmagic between iso 3200-10000 before you can use the second native iso again at 12800. So simply ignore facts like this is not a reasonable comparison.
Forward to 12:11
You're a. great host. Got to love the chilled south African manner
That's so kind! Thanks! :)
Great video btw
Thanks so much!
Good Video Sharing Thank.
Thanks so much :)
How Humble
BRaw is great, Sony menus suck. Thank you have a great day.
Got lucky to not get a blue screen
Our screen is pretty blue, not gonna lie. But it's super easy to change the colour temperature in post if it causes you to monitor incorrectly
@@LoopedPictures It doesn't make sense to me how you mess up the color...?? people need to say, they dont know color temp of environment they are shooting in or how to correctly white balance their image.
It's not always possible to know the colour temperature all the time. Especially when shooting events with all sorts of mixed and matched colour lights. If you don't know how to compensate, it's easy to mess up colour balance. Luckily, it doesn't matter with RAW
they just fixed it with a firmware update :) Also, you can calibrate the monitor color in the settings
I would sell the sony fx3, and buy cinema lenses for black magic 6k pro, and some accessories. So one camera is really rigged out, and not two cams, 50 50
That's a really interesting point of view!
@@LoopedPictures I’m shooting a7s3 and c200 but selling c200 for a 6k pro. I canceled my Komodo order to get a 6k
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No you didn't, you rented those cameras xD or your gonna return one of them!
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Ты что так дергаешь картинку , не успеваю посмотреть и перематываю назад. Ты для роботов или для людей пишешь контент?
I definitely believe that having two systems is a waste of money. Having a lot of people around the camera will increase the production costs. Blackmagic looks like the poor cinematographer's camera to me. Those ND-s are a joke. FX6 has up to 128 ND value which is very useful in sunny situations.
You're forgetting about its rental value. And what about low budget music video and short film shoots where most of the crew is giving their time for free? When you can only spend money on a camera and barely anything else, getting a great one at a low cost is very valuable.
@@LoopedPictures don't get me wrong, your review is great. But I'll still wait for BMPCC Pro SWRFGF+ (Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera Pro with SDI, Wi-Fi, RF mount, Good Autofocus and others.
you really need to fix your audio
bla bla bla, show the image shooting with the cameras not your face!
Good tip!
Sony has amazing battery life? Did you smoke crack before this? 30 minutes shooting tops, batteries dead, on any Sony mirrorless model. Also, the comment on mounts makes no sense. Neither mount is "more versatile". They both require adapters to put any non-proprietary lenses on. Also, yes, resolution IS everything. Saying it isn't is kind of silly. That's like saying a cinema film can be in 720p and it's fine, which is clearly not the case. Resolution is possibly the biggest quality determinant of all.
Resolution isn't everything. What a clown ass statement 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
resolution definitely isn’t everything at all
@@blossommediastudios Actually, it is. If you were the greatest filmmaker on Earth in 2021, but all of your videos / films are shot in 480p, no one is going to watch your videos. Period. Anyone that says otherwise is just puffing up his own pride and has overconfidence in his "skill" as a photographer. People in this age have already become accustomed to high resolution videos, and they are looking for the next best thing. No one is going to accept sub-par resolution. The argument could be made that resolution and good gear are THE most important thing.
@@drift8021 I can give a film school freshman a res camera and I can give a graduate a 1080p camera I can almost guarantee you the overall work will be more professional from the graduate
@@blossommediastudios And I would love to see any evidence of that. Any competent, artistic person can learn almost all there is about photography in a year or so if they put their mind to it. Film school is just an overrated way to dump loads of cash into a for-profit business that serves the self-inflated egos of people that think they are special because they went to film school. Also, the difference between a RED and a 1080p is not enough to make a difference. Those resolutions are both decent resolutions that the average consumer is used to. Try to make that argument comparing a RED to a 480p phone video from 1999, and you'll get my point. The number one most important thing that will determine if someone watches your video in the first few seconds is the resolution and gear. After that, they might stay long enough for the story. Even then, it doesn't take a "film student" or rocket scientists to create a decent story.
Hey sooo sad major advantage of black magic is affordable,nd filters,larger screen , 6k resolution… you just say these stuffs in the conclusion we are wait to the see the exact quality of these to cameras at the optimal level …🥲 i hope you would consider in the future