Best Ruger 10/22 Trigger? Scientific data for Ruger, Volquartsen, and TandemKross!!
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- čas přidán 6. 04. 2019
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Wow why doesn't this have more views, this is the most complete test of all triggers and a lot of work put in by you thanks!
My thoughts exactly. Can we get this man to 1000 likes?? haha
Because it does not have no kidd.
@@ultimitsu say what???
@@jtaylorb88 kidd as in the best 10/22 triggers available. there are three versions, the two stage, single stage, and upgrade kit for Ruger factory stuff. Kidd is way above the rest which renders this video pointless.
@@ultimitsu Too rich for my blood, but she's a beauty🍄
Best trigger comparison video I've ever seen....take notes guys this is how you do a real data comparison
Very refreshing to see quality product analysis with scientific data
Thanks for putting together this video. I fully appreciate the objective data for comparison of these trigger groups.
2:51 You didn’t just “Catch the hammer”, you pushed back on it. That reduces the drag on the sear and skews the test. No matter how fancy the equipment, the human factor is always the weakest link.
Thanks, I was wonderin' about that🍄
Is that why the stock Ruger trigger had such a low trigger weight?
Palm on face
@@rodneyws1977 could be, mine is a 4lb10oz
@@humorssI've got over 20 1022 and they can go up to as much as 7 lb for the factory
Major kudo to Zack for this. You are. hero to do such a scientic analysis of these trigger groups.
Thanks, it was some work but I think it was worth it.
I bought the upgraded ruger BX trigger assembly for like $50 - $60 a few years ago. Honestly, I’m not sure how much more all these expensive ones are actually giving you (real world feel). Theres a huge difference between the factory 10/22 trigger assembly and the BX assembly, for not a ton of money.
Huge difference in the factory trigger compared to the Bx I went from near 6 to 3 pounds mabe 2.5 to 3 my gauge says it is a great trigger. Get one, just drop it in.
I picked up the manticore by Tandemkross and I can tell you it is WORLDS apart in the best way possible over any other trigger group. Unbelievably crisp, can bring the trigger all the way down to 1 pound pull and reset is amazing. Feels and performs better than anything by far.
Went from stock to BX and it put a smile on my face. Went from BX to KIDD two stage and went from a smile on my face to seeing God. Yeah the first pull of a KIDD, remember that feeling as otherworldly and realizing what can done with a trigger. Also it will ruin all other lesser triggers, forever.
Thank you very much for taking the time to put this together, it's much appreciated. I'm probably gonna end up doing a custom build instead of buying off the shelf, since I know I'll just end up upgrading to no end anyways...Kidd is out of my grasp, but the Volquartsen TG2000 in black is lookin' mighty tasty🥩
This is the kind of information I love. Sounds like I’m getting a BX trigger with a Tandemkross shoe!
This is great! I would love to see the Volquartsen up against the Kidd and timney triggers
Yep, the Best 10/22 trigger is not included in this test. The Kidd 2 stage is the best 10/22 trigger without any doubt.
Nice, impressingly elaborate work! Thank you, Sir! And the simple BX-triggers seam to do quite a good job judged by the graphs if you aren't too sensible for the slightly higher load. Clean breaking, little overtravel.👌
Thank you sir. This effort is top tier. Blows coots in the forums out of the water defending their most recent purchase
Kidd is king still to this day. I know they dont play the "influencer" game but they dont need to.
Awesome data and review of many different trigger groups! Keep it up! I love it!
Thanks for watching.
Absolutely excellent presentation thank you for your time posting this important information.
I wanna see that kidd drop in single stage, the trigger group upgrade and the two stage drop in. They don’t advertise and I don’t think they send much out for free seeing the back order times, but they are claimed to be the best and the testimonies are hard to ignore.
i have the drop in single stage which i prefer over 2 stage. it has such a clean, crisp break and short reset. for a person who never understood upgrading trigger stuff, i get it now. im looking at the tandemcross trigger for my next build.
I have single stage and 2 stage, they are superior to every other trigger group for the 10/22 IMO. 2 stage is on my bench full Kidd and single is on my woods gun, all Kidd w/Ruger receiver. I have tried lots of 10/22 triggers and kits, cheap to expensive and Kidd is it for me.
@@NoBody-jm3qt agreed my kidd drop in still reigns supreme to this day
I also have the Kidd single stage kit in a Pike Arms trigger housing.
The combo is really impressive and I love the trigger stop. My Charger is a tack driver.
Love my volquartson drop in kit
I have a couple of stock trigger housing with the Kidd single stage trigger kits. Both break at 15oz. My tweeted BX breaks at 1lb 12oz. No need to by an aftermarket bolt release. Just modify the stock one.
Outstanding test! The two "top triggers" would be worth the money IMHO. Thank you for the EFFORT and skill in designing a WORTHWHILE "test bed" and data collection system. No "sho'-nuff" by feel or opinion! In eight and a half minutes, I learned more than hours (WEEKS!) of reading and watching videos.
Thanks for the kind comments. Comments like this make the effort worth it.
Your stock trigger is pretty awesome ! My 1022 had 6-7 pounds stock trigger LOL !
Awesome setup and great data!
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video, I'd love to see how the Pike Arms billet match trigger assembly stacks up to the rest.
Thanks, If Pike wants to send a trigger for eval I'd do it. I think they are mainly just a metal replacement part though.
Nice! Great comparison with actual scientific data! I cant believe you dont have more views. I wish you had the Grand Master Power Custom trigger group. They have built a ton of competition winners over the years. There is the Timney complete housing/drop in groups and the CMC drop in trigger at Midwayusa. You cant have every dam trigger tho. This does really show how much better all of them are compared to the factory for sure even the BX is miles better. Nice Job! It would be great if anybody watching could send in 1 of each of the other triggers and see how they rank. I only have 1 stock, 1 BX and 1 of mostly power custom parts unfortunately.
Super informative! Great vid!!!
Thanks!
Best trigger pull analysis I’ve ever seen. Idk why YOU aren’t the golden standard for testing triggers!! 🤣 came in expecting the old school wheeler fish weight style gauge testing and he breaks out some NASA stuff and 🤯
Thanks, it pays to have good equipment at my day job.
Would like to see a TacSol and a Kidd trigger group done also.
you just saved me hours of testing parts. Thanks
Thanks for watching.
VERY WELL DONE!!
Thanks!
Pike Arms? Good analysis thus far! Need more KIDD and Pike Arms!
Very informative. I would love to see my Volquartsen measured after I stoned all of the critical surfaces with Black Arkansas. It is now a smooth "roll" trigger. I imagine that the graph would look very linear with much lower slope. And practically zero overtravel after adjusting.
I would love to see that, Black Arkansas is the stuff🍄
Yup,. I used Volquartsen Trigger Parts with, careful STONING / lapping, to achieve, a crisp 2.25 Pound Pull. Coupled with, a New 20" Sporter SS, Green Mtn Barrel, I now get SUB 1/2 " groups at, 50 yds with most Mid Level priced, SK- Wolf Ammo.
Excellent testing.
Thanks.
Really good review
Very interesting to see the results! Maybe I got lucky, but I've got an old metal trigger group from about that same era with Volquartzen parts in it that breaks at 2.5 lbs. It's always been a good shooter.
Good deal. Thanks for watching.
I like the KIDD triggers firm lockup and positive light trigger pull.
Yeah, if they were willing to work with media people I'd have tested them too. But they aren't.
Absolutely love my Kidd! Getting ready to order another one 😊
I bought a Volquartsen Target hammer kit for my 10/22 take down it had the hammer and some shims and two springs, being old and not to bright anymore I was still able to do the work myself with the help of a video on U tube, the trigger pull is super nice probably 3lbs or less not much creep and in my eyes 10 times better than the 6+ pounds and I think it cost me like in the high $30, what a bargain!
Yup,. I did the same and after careful Stoning / Lapping, got to 2.25 Pounds using the Volquart Parts !
Wow. This is very cool.
Great video. Thanks. My 10/22 is 30 years old. Hopefully nothing has changed as far as drop ins go.
Triggers are mostly the same. Metal housing vs today’s plastic is the biggest difference.
I'd be curious to see how the Hornet Triggers stack up as well!
Have them send me one and I'll test it.
Please update this test with a KID replacement trigger group. Thanks
Great job. Thank you
Thanks for watching!
Any way to redo this or also test this so called "Hornet Black Max" trigger assembly
Just putting in the volquartsen target hammer kit made a huge difference in trigger pull it’s cheap to..
I went that route since BX triggers are out of stock almost everywhere. We’ll see how it goes 🤞
Bought my 10/22 in 1970 ($49.00). Up until about 10 years ago still had stock factory trigger. It was like grinding two rocks together. Broke down and bought a timney, and it was as smooth as butter and broke like glass. After a few hundred rounds it was harder to pull, but still broke nice. Just went off the deep end and ordered a tg. 2000 volquartzen. Hope it lasts better than the timney. It's hard to spend 5 time's more on on the trigger than the rifel cost 😩
HA- I got mine about '71 at Woolworth for $50. Outstanding. Fun to read someone else got one back when. $300 today is nuts.
My factory plastic trigger is no where near 3.5 pounds. I would be tickled shitless if it was. Thinking of letting brimstone have a go on it. Would the bx be as good?
Great video
would be neat to test the Timney Calvin elite, Kidd drop in kit and the full Kidd group. Very nice test
Thanks. I've played with the Timney in other guns and they were ok. Kidd is super unfriendly to writers and media people, they wont' even let you borrow parts for review so they are probably out. I know they are nice parts but way out of my budget.
I agree. No 10/22 trigger roundup is complete without Kidd triggers present. I have all of Kidd's triggers, and the 6 ounce 2-stage is the finest trigger I have ever pulled. The complete single stage trigger is very nice if you like a single stage trigger, but I also have the Kidd "trigger kit" that you install in your factory housing, and it is just as good as the complete single stage, but half the price. Neither compares at all to the 2-stage unit though.
@@ZackCarlson great review, thanks. I know KIDD doesn't share their products and don't solicit reviews, but part of me sort of likes that, reminds me of the corner jewelry store that doesn't advertise and their employees don't work on commission, they know their product is top notch and let it do the talking.
You should get a sharpie pack that has different colors, mark each trigger kit, then mix each one and test with the computer till you come up with a ultimate trigger pull.
Would have liked to see Kidd and Timney in this test
Have them send me a trigger and I can test
Would you happen to know if the TacSol extended mag release would fit on the Timney triggers?
Overachiever!
Thank you for this video!
You should have shown a Kidd trigger in your test. It is 1.5 lbs. of (single stage) perfection period. If you are an experienced shooter, go with the 2 oz. two stage trigger.
Where do they make a 2 oz 2 stage? 😂
Thanks
Really interesting
Have 2 kidd single stage triggers and one fail to reset, sent it in and it was good for maybe 100 rounds and fails to reset again. I just got a VQ TG2000 feels good.
Still running good?
Not sure from the video, if anything is touching the hammer b4 it drops? If it's your thumb then I am not sure I'd trust those results. I could see a "cushion" to catch the hammer.
does "handling" the hammer not affect the data?
Try the Kidd two stage. Mine goes down to 3oz.
I'd like to try one but I'm having a mental block with Kidd. Everyone raves about their parts but I've done a couple orders with them and have been less than satisfied. Using their customer service was insanely frustrating and didn't resolve the issues. I can't bring myself to spend the money they are asking for their triggers with that history.
This should have more views
Thanks, it's probably my poor production value.. I'm no video editor.. just try to get the facts out there.
I know its 3 years later and the trigger is a bit of a expense but I would like to see the Franklin Armory binary trigger does with the break and the reset see if that changes it any
Sorry I can’t get that trigger in my commie state
I'm interested in the Volquartsen 2K, but like a question below I also want to add an extended mag release. Can I add one with this specific trigger group?
I don't see why not, it looks from the outside just like a normal one .
I'm trying to get my head around the graphs. It seems like a trigger that has increasing force that then levels off or goes down represents trigger creep. Am I wrong? It seems like the graph with the smoothest increase has the least creep.
Right off the bat, a standard Ruger 10/22 pull weight should be at 5-6 lbs. It's that's really the pull weight from factory, I'm shocked but everything Ive read says that trigger should be reading almost double what it showed so how can this be accurate?
Confused, would have liked to see multiple vendors vs 6 variations of the factory set up with after market triggers/kits parts but nothing specific. Seems like a very scientific examination of basically the same 6 triggers... Dunno, just feedback. Would like to have seen complete trigger groups from Kidd, Vol, Timney, and the rest using a moment factory trigger as the control,anyway thanks sort of bro.
Feel free to send me all those and I’ll gladly test.
This is afuckingmazing! Thanks so much 🇺🇸🇺🇸
no Timney test?
Would the factory aluminum trigger group be the same as the factory plastic trigger group, or did the internals change over the years as well?
same just has hammer bushings, so hammer is different
@@shannonfritsch6647 Thanks!
Everyone thinks pull weight matters. It doesn't really. It's the travel that makes one fast or slow. For Steel Challenge, I'm looking to replace the stock trigger on my 10/22 Stainless Takedown for RFPI. It's just too long of a pull to go fast. My TCR/22 I use for RFRO has a much better stock trigger with no need to upgrade.
No brimstone?
nice
Zack, I would like to see you repeat this test so that you could assume a normal distribution.
How many times did you do the pulls?
I have no idea, this video was done awhile back. I think I ran it quite a few times on each one to see how consistent they were and then ran it however many times are in the video.
@@ZackCarlson
Thanks for the prompt reply.
So close to a perfect test, would love to see it re done.
Unfortunately, as others have mentioned, pushing down on the hammer in the first test fudged the numbers (you can see the hammer move down before it comes back up).
Try it again with a mechanical hammer stop, and it would be an invaluable video on trigger options
This is interesting because I was contemplating replacing the trigger group on my Thompson Center T/Cr22 [because it is pretty bad] with a better trigger. I was thinking of spending the cost of the Volquartsen....or maybe KIDD,...but those Hornet Triggers appear to be decent and about $100 less. Again, not aluminum, and still use the really curved trigger, though.
Yes, I know changing out the trigger group will make the T/CR22 no longer hold open on the last shot. I don't care. I don't use that magazine anyway. Not fun to load.
So if I change my trigger group I will loose my last round bolt hold open even w the annoying mags (I've gotten used to them)?? I love my cr22 but man the trigger sucks
@@Johnny_Pballs It has been awhile since I made my comment. I went with the KIDD trigger. It was a bit more pricey, but I'm happy with it. If you're wanting a really good target trigger, I'd recommend it.
@@DRayL_ Yes, Kidd is the only trigger, you get what you pay for 100%.
@@NoBody-jm3qt The KIDD trigger was so good that I wanted to improve the T/CR 22 with a better barrel, so I purchased a Volquartsen barrel and a Boyd stock for the .920 size. Unfortunately, the barrel purchased didn't work in the T/CR22 receiver [receiver hole not big enough or something]. I tried to make it work, but ultimately give up,...and purchased a KIDD upper receiver and extra parts to make a whole new rifle. I already had the Volquartsen barrel, else it could have been fully KIDD. But it is what it is. Shoots quite well in the first range trip...and pretty tight, considering using just CCI Standard Velocity.
The T/CR 22 is back to OEM. It works well enough....and it is something I can let my niece use and not worry about it much. If I really find I don't like the trigger, I can always just get a BX Trigger.
For the money damn hard to beat bx
I agree, but I REALLY like the finger feel of the TandemKross shoe.
Plus I am not a fan of all the plastic... Feels cheap I guess
Is there any difference between old oem and the new own trigger groups?. I too have a 1990 metal trigger group.
My old metal hasn't been factory internals in a long time so I can't comment but I've read a lot that the new plastic housings are way more consistent compared to the old metal ones.
I have a BX, VQ and a Kidd. They are all much better than factory. I probably like the VQ best followed by the Kidd
Thanks for the feedback. Interesting you like the volquarstsen best. People are kidd cultists.
I use diamond stones, course, medium and fine, old ones are easier
I remember when VQ sent TG2000 in rainbow packaging.
Cool. It came in a pretty plain package when I got mine.
I find it weird that the Tandemkross and Volquartsen trigger both have this plateau before release... That's nothing that you'd want
It sounds like the BX trigger for me. I can't put $400 into a rifle that cost me $200.
Yeah, BX is pretty hard to beat for the money. People really do get out of hand with their 10/22's
I got a question. I ordered a Bx trigger. I was wondering I can order these other minors things and attach it onto it. Is it possible? Like the extended magazine release and the trigger pull.
Yep you sure can. All the parts fit into it
Zack Carlson - Writer Omg thanks bro!!! I was so worried cause I spent a handful of money on things. 🤣 I can’t resist myself from buying parts now. I see why people are addicted to guns. Especially these ruger 10/22.
The volsquartsen trigger shoe requires their sear and disconnector
3.6 on the stock trigger / 3.32 and 3.28 on the BX triggers why buy a BX trigger?
Just bought the Volquartsen one, literally said oh fu$% at 0:38 to myself 😂😂😂
Thanks for watching
should have added Kidd to that testing
They don't work with media people at all, and I can barely afford all the stuff I already test so they were a no go.
Ruger bx works best for me
Unfortunately you were pushing the hammer rather than catching it. That said, I've used all these triggers and my absolute favorite for quite a few years now is the KIDD kit.
Thanks for watching.
Timney Trigger Test ? Anyone make a double-set I could dial down below 350 grams ?
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No timney?
I get 2.2 with my BX trigger. And I only paid $50.00 from Brownells. Lol
How did you measure?
@@ZackCarlson
One of my buddy's used his trigger measure machine thing. He's really into polishing his trigger or whatever.
If we are to 'split hairs' on testing , then shouldn't we use the more 'scientific' equipment we can?
Triggers testers are only as good as the testing device used;,..I mean look at chronographs, the results in these are all over the place.
Surely the 'set up' used in this video should be taken as shown, with an array of triggers tested with the same system right in front of us.
my bx trigger is around the 2lb mark as well, really close to my tikka trigger and A LOT LESS than the stock one
@@Jinz-re2hh the bx does vary. I have one that does 2.5 and another at 3
What about trigger reset?
my machine doesn't test that as far as I know
So, when you go to “catch” the hammer by pushing back on it, you took weight off of the trigger and fudged the results.
Once I saw that and saw the weights of the six different triggers roughly the same, I knew then that this was not a very good test.
It would have been a perfect test but you can’t interfere with the mechanics like that.
Bummer, such a good setup and video to have potentially tampered results like that.
All that automation and he sticks his finger on the hammer 🤦♂️
I’d love to see the Bianary trigger from Franklin Armory included on something like this - it looks fun, but I have no idea how it breaks
Sorry, I can’t get them in my commie state.
You're saying the BX is only 0.3 lbs less trigger pressure than the standard trigger? I don't believe the results of this test and anybody that's swapped a BX for the standard trigger won't either.
Why didn't the Jard, Timney, or Kidd triggers make the cut?
Not that they didn't make the cut but these are all the triggers I had. I tried asking Kidd to send a loaner but they essentially told me to F off.
@@ZackCarlson Gotcha, good to know. I was mostly curious what people think about the Jard trigger in a 10/22, as I have used their triggers on multiple other platforms over the years. Seems like people either hate or love their triggers. I was curious where they stack up analytically to other proven triggers. Very interesting info on the triggers tested though.
The prices have risen dramatically......the BX alone is $100 today, not $50.
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No sorry.
Test is incomplete without including a KIDD trigger group
Good video but you forgot Tony Kidd.
Didn’t forget him at all. They don’t work with media people at all and the stuff I have purchased in the past left me with less than good experiences.