HARLEY DAVIDSON 114ci STAGE 2 VS 124ci T-MAN KIT! *DRAG RACE*
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- čas přidán 29. 04. 2021
- I raced my friends 2018 CVO Road Glide with a 124ci T-Man Kit against my Stage 2 2019 Road Glide with the 114ci motor with S&S 475 Cam. Make sure you browse the channel and subscribe! As always, thanks for watching!
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"Is a tune really gonna make that big of a difference?" LOL. Say no more......
If it’s a 955i Daytona dyno tuned by Matt Capri it dynos 15%+ over stock.
But had an old built Norton Dominator. When my mechanic gave it a tune he found out the rocker arms were backwards. INSTANT 25% increase in intake and exhaust. It was an old school no digital tune but it made a hell of a difference. 600cc but spanked everything but a 750 Norton scrambler and a full Dunstall 750 Atlas both refused to run for some weak sauce reasons.
An engine is only as good as it’s tune.
I lined up my 117 stage 4 Breakout against my new 131 stage 4 Lowrider S and didn't see which way the Lowrider went. Got absolutely SPANKED. Some sweet looking baggers in this vid mate.
Engines don't need back pressure as long as the exhaust is made right the reason everyone says you need back pressure is because it helps with exhaust scavenging and velocity
If it was originally a 117 putting a 124 isn't going to help because the stroke is different. A 124 would be for a 107. 128 would be for a 114 or a 117. Need to get it checked out with someone that's competent when you can. Also sounded like it needed a tune. Maybe an issue with the cam (if there's an aftermarket cam installed). Hard to say, but at the very least it should have been a 128/131 instead of a 124.
Just did a 128ci build on my 19' SG CVO and she just wants to get rowdy. 155hp/147tq
Lost my warranty first week. Go for it! Nice video
All of those bikes are just BaddASS!👌
That 114 is tune and running great!
That's awesome, I've got a 19 ultra stage 2 with the D&D S&S 475. I'm very impressed with what it does with just a cam.
Did you install the exhaust at the same time as the cam?
I have a 18 Road Glide with the D&D billet cat.. I feel like it could sound better. I'm sure the cam gives it a different sound though.
@@w.j.5973 I installed the exhaust first then the cam. The exhaust was much quieter prior to the cam. That 475 just woke the living piss out of the bike and made the exhaust much louder.
@@vdubfr3k That's exactly what I was hoping to hear 🤘
@@w.j.5973 trust me you won't be disappointed, you'll have a smile that won't come off lol.
@@vdubfr3k Thanks brother.. hoping to get it done towards the end of the year. Be safe!
Your bike is running great so I wouldn't make anymore changes until needed. I also agree with you on the warranty situation, the hell with it.
I did the exact same build as he did and said the same 😂😂😂
Bike looks great. If you decide to do some engine work do yourself a favor and look into the Moonshine Harley-Davidson 135 Kit. There has been a lot of R&D with the parts and pieces including input from old timer George Bryce who recently moved to the Tennessee area.
Great video 👍🏽👊🏽
Bro!! That's how you ride! I had to buy a stroller and baby seat for my Power Wagon that cost just over $700 or I would have bought a cam for my RGS 😭 but priorities bro! But you just sold me on that S&S!
Just did a 124” S&S Hot Set Up in my 2014 Fatboy Lo but swapped the 640 cams and high comp pistons for 585 gear driven and 10.2:1 pistons. Running D&D Fat Cat 2 into 1 exhaust, S&S oil pump & cam plate, Trask Billet clutch basket, Manowar gear sprocket, HPI 58mm throttlebody with 6.2 injectors and a Screaming Eagle Heavy Breather intake. It dyno’d at 116hp and 137tq. Those 11:1 pistons and 640 cams that come with the kit are supposed to bump the numbers up to 140 square. I’ll lose a bit though due to it being a “B” engine. At 5500rpm it falls on its face. Lol. I should of stayed with the original parts in the kit but wanted to keep my temp low. Oil temp runs between 250-270 right now without an oil cooler.
I have the 114 stage 2 also, its impressive. what seat is that? and will yours power wheelie?
Go with fuel moto 128 kit!! I did one with EVERYTHING! The men in Sconsin hooked me up right! 11:1 compression, ported polished heads. HPI 62mm throttle body. S&S oil pump , ect.,,, I did cam it for 2 up riding in Cali. Woods 440. So I kicks after 3000. 120mph is very easy to attain. 150+ HP, 150+ torque
Love the video! Those are some awesome looking bikes! What size bars are on your dad's bike?
12" KST Bars
I run a SE131 with V&H power dual header, 450 destroyer slip ons and the power vision tuner. It rips. I love it. 139hp 146tq
Running a 472 reaper, HPI 62mm throttle body , moonshine dual exhaust with tunable baffles , dyno tune will happen this coming week on my 2019 RG Spec 114 .
If he did the 124 kit and put slip-ons with no baffles and also did a high flow header pipe then there's definitely not enough back pressure. I'm hearing that keeping the stock header pipe is actually good on the M8 because of the back pressure and you don't lose your low end torque. Probably also needs to be tuned
Yeah that dude needs a tune for sure! You can hear it...
Could you pls tell me the size and color of the decals you had as your 1st setup?
im really thinking a woods 22xe or zipper rs 468
Lol I voided my warranty within 400 miles too, when I added the 475 cam and PV.
Fuel Moto 128” will be very nice! Go for it!
Have a question I have the same bike and set up you have would like to know if you had the same problem I am having I’m a lg frame guy with broad shoulders but with my new bars just like yours I ain’t see down my side to the rear I’m in the way what did you do to get your mirrors out side to look down towards the rear the bars are so close in I’m having trouble finding mirrors that fit thanks if you could help me out
Traveling Tall on CZcams posted a video of the Zippers 124-inch build he had done and Krome Werk's mufflers without any baffles in the muffler shells. Zippers then put his 124-inch Street Glide back on the dyno and showed Travelingtall that without any baffles in the Chrome Werk's mufflers caused him to lose 30 pounds of torque. That being said, the mufflers that are on the T-Man124-inch build are really costing him a whole lot of roll-on power. Fast forward the video counter to 6:24. czcams.com/video/Mj_TGl5YLhM/video.html
Great vid... I feel like I'll stop at stage 2.
Your bike is sick!!!! Black Beauty!
Could i get away with a K&N that fits mt 2022sgs ckeaner and what about headers did you use with the stage 2 or did you leave stock exhaust
Great info, I dint know there’s a difference between Harley parts to aftermarket parts. I’m differently using after market parts now.
All nice rides... can you tell me what brand/size bars are on the T-man Kit Road Glide? Love 'em...
I did Tman kit years ago 120 Jims, 142 mph, thats right, hauls ass
Badass bike!
absolutely agree. ..been buying my parts little by little, 131 kit with s&s camchest kit,man of war compensator,rekluse clutch kit....2019 street glide special 114...great video content
Yeah, that 114 is awesome.
Where did you pick your 22 stickers?
Mines only a 107 with an andrews 460 cam but at least I know every single part that went into it.
If I understand that correctly. The 124” wasn’t tuned? Who would do that?
Nice bikes, all of them. What seat do you have? Looks nice!!
Lucky Daves step up..
Getting used to my brand new 114 heritage. I stuck with screamin eagle for warranty, but I got the power cam, and all the inners that go with it and 2-1 rinehart racing pipe, tuned by the pro street tuner. I didn’t do it right, because I didn’t think we were racing, but I got absolutely destroyed by some Subaru hatchback the other day around a 60mph roll, haha. My new bike goes harder than either of the other two bikes I’ve owned. I might just be over thinking it, but there’s an exhaust tone difference around 3200-3400rpms for me. Around there is where I swear I can feel what I can explain as a powerband. Right around where all the dynos and forums say I’ll start walking into my power. Have yet to race anybody on a bike, but I am positive my neighbours Indian scout is still going to pull on me
Your bike pulls hard brother
I was thinking about the 475c cam... you just helped me decide
Well done 👌👍
Yeah, very happy with it!
Nice 🙏🏽
Voided my warranty the first week as well! I thought Harley Davidson was about “freedom” anyway? I think your right about the large diameter pipes on the CVO. I had the same problem with the Cobra Neighbor Haters and then whet me to to Fuel Moto Jackpots and the difference was night and day.
Haha man that’s Harley for yah
Your idea of freedom is really wrong my friend. Its not harleys job to wipe away your tears when you sign a warranty contract and then break it. People like you blame others for being self entitled and this is exactly what is wrong with the world.
@@alextrainor2552 no tears here! Dealerships will never touch my bikes or my cars, because “people like me” work on there own shit and don’t need a useless warranty. I’ll spend my hard earned money on my bike as I see fit! I will not let any company or manufacturer dictate to me what I can or can’t do with my property. And if you you think there something wrong with that mentality “in this world” then something is seriously wrong with you! I work on my own cars and bikes in my garage with my own tools and if I can’t fix it I go to my local independent. Who the fk are you to call me “entitled”? point out to me where I blamed anyone in my comment! You don’t know me and I ain’t your friend! Harley Davidson got slapped by the EPA or some shit and there just trying to sell bikes and stay in business and I really think they don’t give two shits for their customers! I bought Harleys product cash up front and I can take it from here I don’t need there constipated warranty process, just to get something repaired or recalled when it should’ve came that way in the first place!
Who did he buy that bike from .. I think I know the T Mann bike .. I have a 103 fat boy T Mann motor pushing 140 torque ..
How did you get the blue lights for the gauges?
Contact Jim at Gauge Modz. Tell him I sent you! He does great work! Fast turn around Time!
@doowork Do you know handlebars were on the grey bike? It looked like 8-10" with a nice wide stance. Im looking for something like that now
I'm not sure what they were.
Great info. I have a HD stage 4 and I’m bored now. Lol.
Hello.
I have 2022 fltrxs. I am planning to install s&s 475c cam. My muffler is mk45. The current air flow is 114 stock air cleaner, so I should upgrade the cleaner, right? Tune with dynojet pv3. This south korea, what kind of air intake do Americans like.
Have a nice day ~^^~
Did you say what cam you are running? I just bought a 2021 Road Glide special in midnight crimson. Complete stock form now besides slip ons, but planning ahead as to what cams I'm getting when the warranty is up. I don't know if I can wait that long though.
Yeah, I'm running the S&S 475 Cam in my bike..
@@DOOWORKPRODUCTIONS Thanks! I actually found your install video later. Good stuff. That's one of the cams I'm looking at. Yours responded very well to it, so it's creeping to the top of the list. Thanks
Street Glide looks tiny with the moose on it. Big boy for sure.
hahahaha... so true!
NIce blue lighting on your instruments. Where did you get that?
Jim at Gauge Modz.
@@DOOWORKPRODUCTIONS thanks
So dude bought a bike that he thought was a 131 but it was only board out to 124. they threw some 2-1-2 on it. Sounded cool in his mind. Definitely 2:1 with a tune
A 124 would be a 107 anyway. So, neither one of them seem to know what engine it is, lol. Guy's gonna find out it's a 117 with slip ons and he got got.
Nice rides but i think you guys are crazy riding without helmets
That's good,
My 15 RGS with stage 5 All SE 110 tire shredder kit with SE super pro tuner
Making 123 at rear and 123+ hp
W/V&H dual cross pipe
Wish I had someone to race
Yea man a good tune makes all they difference 100%.
That fat tire kit as fucking bad ass
@Doowork, what floorboard and brake pedal you runnin'?
FLO Motorsports Boards and Jokerz Brake Pedal..
@@DOOWORKPRODUCTIONS Thank you
Your bikes sound GREAT. But I would like to know, what’s the longest ride you’ve been on with this set-up? Have you rode 1,000-1,500 miles on a trip with your bike? The way it sounds, it should be nice. 🎯🎯🎯💯💯💯♦️♦️♦️
4:53 is the look of WTF !! all good looking bikes maybe one weekend we can all get together for a ride I'm out here in Perry I have a RGL 2020 doing a Stage 2 next month S&S 465 cam D&D 2 in to 1 and a Thundermax
U should be thinking about a clutch and compensator asap
Who’s heads do you have on your bike are they stock or have they been ported?
Stock Heads
Who makes the handlebars on the CVO?
I believe they were Paul Yaffe 8"
Can you recommend a shop to do my 30/30 cam install? No luck with my dealer doing it
Where are you located?
What exhaust you running on there? I have a 22 RG Special and struggling right now with the S&S 475 or the Zippers 472. Any recommendations?
I have the Fuel Moto Jackpot 2 into 1. And S&S 475 Cam all day!
@@DOOWORKPRODUCTIONS
What was it that you liked about the jackpot pipes? I’m looking at them and the D&D to decide
I like my OG Jackpot pipe that they don't make anymore, if I were to buy one today, I would go with a D&D over the new Fuel Moto Jackpot. I don't like the way the end cap looks on the new one.@@johnford3761
hey brother.i have a question for you...im about to drop an A1 Cycles 124 kit into my 18 107....I have a thundermax tuner on my bike now....Ive got one guy telling me i need to dyno tune, Ive got the dealer telling me that when they dyno tune they turn off the autotune on the tmax (sorry but doesnt that defeat the whole purpose of the tmax tuning itself??) and then i have mechanic / techs telling me to just tune with the thundermax.....wow! any insight or suggestions would be greatly appreciated...thanks!
If you are going big and putting multiple parts in you can get a baseline tune from tmax but ultimately you want to take it to a good tuner to get it spot on
@@joesainato8051 Exactly ^^^
T-man performance makes solid stuff. That bike needs tuned.
Is it Sumping?
Hey Brother I seen on one of your videos you changed out the instrument lighting tach, speedo etc. Can you put the name of the company who did the work. Thanks. Awesome bikes stay safe
Jim at Gauge Modz
Can you tell me the name of the solo seat on the gray RGS?
CVO Seat
Warranty & performance?
Stock 107 generally makes about 79HP 106TQ
I did stage 3 with SE tuner intake & S&S streetmaster 2-1 exhaust to retain full warranty. At bike purchase 20 percent off no out of pocket built into bike loan plus gap insurance so no risk should it be stolen or totaled.
Bike made 116HP 116TQ so no slouch. You can add speedo off switch to defeat the speed limiter. Bike goes 140 according to phone gps. 18k miles still under factory 2 year warranty. Just saying to a reasonable point you can have your cake & eat it too.
That said post warranty next iteration to this bike will be machined case for aftermarket jugs with Carrillo rods & 4.250 bore for 139ci and 160 plus HP.
Tune and a cam for the 124
That 124 should be running much better. What’s the head pipe? Get to a dyno.
I'm holding you to the 128 I had cam for one year wanted more in right now getting zippers 128 and stage two head work so do it just get it done 😆 lol
We need to do some riding.
Hey bro, what kind of pipes do you run and what is your cam set up. I love the sound of the duals but I want to do a stage 2 and I don’t know if I should go for the torque cam, or the power cam. Is it ok to run duals and what would be the best set up. I love that your 114 pulled away from that 124. Awesome bike bro. Get back at me and let me know your thoughts
Do you like to ride in low or high rpm. If you like to ride in low to mid range rpm go with the torque cam if you do a lot of highway riding than go with the power cam . I recommend the zippers redshift cam
The best set up I would say would be redshift 465 cam , 2 into 1 khrome werks exhaust. Thunder max tuner , extreme high flow air cleaner
I am running a Fuel Moto Road and Track Jackpots 2 into 1 pipe with a Ghost pipe. I have a S&S 475C Cam kit in my bike, remote tuned by Fuel Moto with a DynoJet Power Vision Tuner..
@@beardsandboxing3436 thank for your reply. I do do a lot of highway riding and I am leaning towards the power cam. I respect your input, thanks for putting your knowledge out to me
I just did a stage 2 torque cam with Harley parts because I didn’t wanna loose warranty. If you take your bike to the drag strip your definitely gonna have to upgrade your compensator to one like Man O War! The Harley one will not take that ! Possibly a better clutch too! Check out Cycle Fanatix on CZcams for his build & parts list 👍
Yeah, he blew out his clutch the other day.
helmets my dudes!
That T man kit will smoke that 114 any day with a real dyno tune. If it’s a real Tman kit.
What size bars are those on the CVO? They look tiny!
Not Sure
All of them are bad ass bikes. The fat tire in the front is nice what size is the rim and tire?
He’ll regret that tire if he ever hits sand or gravel though. Had my Softail since 2014 and hit a patch for the first time last week. Construction through the main drag of a town we were meeting at. Probably 2 miles worth…. it sucked! Lol
Most harley dealers don't care what parts are in the motor as long as your running a SC tuner. But once you changer your tunner to any other brand besides a Screaming Eagle then your Fu@k as far as warranty goes. So I decided to run a thunder max ECU and whenever I take my bike into the dealership I swap the thunder max out and put my stock one back on. lol
Warranty is expensive toilet paper anyways
Throw a D&d 2-1 and a thunder max it’ll be fine
I got a 03 ultra, TRICKED OUT, with a S&S DRAGON T143 ON NITROUS. Havint wacked the nos yet but engine made 170hp and 162 torque 😮
Cool video.....would have been even better if you cats had on your helmets!!! Be safe homies !!! Fuck the Harley warranty!!
😂 I know he's mad
What kind of pipes are on that cvo??
TAB
Your buddy with the CVO needs to ditch those slip ons. They look like CFR or a similar style which have a hollow core and offer no back pressure. This in turn makes the bike a paperweight in the lower RPMs. Changing those alone with a tune will be drastically change. If he’s running the stock head pipe he should swap that at the same time. The Khromewerks 2-2 with louvered baffles would be an excellent choice if he stayed duals.
What’s redline on that thing?
6200
Did the fuel Moto “ tune” mean they sent you a tune to load into the power vision or did they actually do a dyno tune with your bike? Also do you have the jackpot 2:1:2 or just the 2:1 and what slip ons?
They sent me a tune to load into the power vision.. And I had the jackpot 2:1 with ghost pipe..
I love racing, but not so much in town around traffic, even if they see you , they don't expect a hundred miles an hour in a short distance, you can't stop a 8 hundred lbs. Sled that fast, ride smart stay safe , beautiful bikes
@4:20 “Is a tune really going to…” Absolutely! You can have the biggest build ruined with the wrong tune.
I am pretty sure that that 124 kit was probably pretty expensive compared to the stage two cam on the other bike😮
Exactly right..
Lotta money for no get up and go on that grey bike. Yours walked it
My 2019 fatboy 114 stage 2 with woods runs just fine. I'm not spending big $ for little to not much difference.
How is your gas mileage with your stage II?
I have never calculated gas mileage on my Harley lol
@@DOOWORKPRODUCTIONS I felt like an ass for asking that, but that’s understandable. Lol.
I think the T man kit blows . U killed him
"Is a tune really going to make that big of a difference?" Wow. I guess money really doesn't buy common sense.
What state has all that freedom?
Michigan..
I’ve got a 114 to 117 stage 3. All Harley parts with warranty. It runs good enough for me. It beats all my buddies and my dad so I’ll leave it as it is.
You buy a CVO and you don’t know what engine is in it?
Get a 2 into 1 exhaust and a Thundermax tuner. I'll Tune that bike.
Any work done will be negated by the HD tuner. It's trash for performance. His exhaust isn't making that much of a difference maybe 10 hp/tq change. With that being said I'm looking into the D&D for my 114 with PV tuner and star cams