The Avengers Go Too Far vs The X-men
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0:00 Intro
0:13 Prepare For The Phoenix
11:19 The Perfect Phoenix Five
19:18 Attack On Wakanda
20:40 Jailbreak!
23:37 Siege on K'un-Lun
25:07 The Final Battle
#avengers #xmen #marvel - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Everyone says Spider-Man talks too much. Until he defeats two phoenix powered mutants by himself with his words.
Spidey for the win.
Spider-Man got his ass whooped and used his brain to stay alive not a win that surviving thru sneaky tactics
@@leronewestern7540 That’s too many words to say, “Spider-Man still won the fight.”
@@coreyhead5777 but he didn’t he lost and got back up after magik and colossus fight each other to try and gain the phoenix force
@@leronewestern7540 Did Dr. Strange defeat Dormamu? Did Spider-Man defeat the Red Goblin?
The fact that Spider -man's few words were able to pit them against each other is hilarious to me. Didn't know Spidey was a good manipulator.
Fun fact: spider use his jokes to make others underestimate him but in reality he is one PhD from a doctorate
The reason he's such a chatterbox is explicitly to distract opponents, keep them from thinking clearly, and make them underestimate him, he's been manipulating people right from the start.
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@@cryptokoolaid Spider-Man is actually one of a couple heroes including the Hulk and possibly wolverine with reverse plot armor. It's usually crappy writing that allows low to mid tier enemies to even land a hit on them. In actuality, they are all power players in their own right with scores of legitimate victories well above their weight class. Been following Spider-man for well over 30 years. He has an impressive resume. He often will take out enemies that it takes teams like the avengers, the fantastic 4, and the x-men on without help. He also has been taken on and won against teams of supervillains like the sinister six. He's solo'd Doctor Doom, Magneto, and Ultron in his respective comics.
@@talyn3932 lol solo doctor doom
I always thought it stupid, and wildly unbelievable, that Magik could dupe Dr. Strange
I remember a long, long time ago when Kulan Gath turned NYC into a savage version of itself, it was Strange himself who stated Magik had an enormous potential and might someday become more powerful than himself. that was all the way back 1985. (damn, how time flies by...). Strange alone wasn't strong enough to undo Kulans doing, and in the end he used Magiks powers ontop of his own to ban Kulan.
@@TheGamingCrowMost forget those Kulan Gath issues, and I am not sure if it was JR Jr. Or Art Adams that did the art for that arc, wait it was JR Jr art--- it introduced Nimrod. I was buying these comic when I could go to the store and find the new issues on one of those spinning wire racks. God,.. I'm old. 😅
Yeah Dr Strange is oddly useless in this story.
@@dakotatrue12 And that's the problem now. Everyone is "useless" when the X-Men are around. It's stupid, unbelievable and shows a lack of understanding the comic universe you're playing in.
... and that Dr. Strange is nerfed
The Phoenix Five just feels like the Phoenix chose the 5 most insecure, volatile, untrustworthy mutants and turned them into power rangers.
This is very true HAHAHA
@@Insignia2 Very false HAHAHA
like, from the X-Men team, yeah probably... but what if it picked a villain like Apocalypse, Sinister, etc?
Hmm scott was relatively stable. Emma was a manipulative time bomb. Illyanna was already lying to her brother to keep him the juggernaut to educate him. Colossus was the juggernaut. Namor was violatile. So I would 4 were exactly what you wrote.
Scott is anything but "insecure, volatile, and untrustworthy" tbh
So having someone powerful enough to take on the Phoenix Five is no problem, but the Phoenix Five are a problem. It don't seem like they were a problem until the Avengers decided they don't like to be shown up. So the root of the problem was the Avengers.
Pheonix five: *creates world peace*
Avengers: And I took that personally
Um, the X-men be ame communist dictators and tried to remake the world in their image. HE-LLO?!
the phoenix five were always unstable, it was a matter of time before they did something terrible
The concern was that the phoenix would corrupt them and cause them to start taking things to far. Which is exactly what happened.
To begin with the earth would have been destroyed if the Avengers let the X-men go through with their original plan. Which was to simply trust hope and pray for the best. The X-men were literally gambling with the lives of everyone on earth.
Avengers == ego.
"Namor infested waters below."
🤣
I will use the Phoenix Force to cook bacon and eggs
I'm gonna recycle so much more now. Derp.
I'll do a good ol Phoenix BBQ
@@999madgamer Noice 👍
No hash browns?!?
You've already gone dark Phoenix.
@@stephenmitchell9520 No, you go dark Phoenix if you burn the food.
I'm sorry, but Marvel hates Cyclops. They kept making him the bad guy when the avengers were escalating this issue the entire time. They split the Phoenix. They tried to kidnap Hope. Scarlet Witch's no more mutants is the reason this entire fiasco happened. Black Panther is a moron for breaking up with Storm. And Wolverine is no help. He's the reason Hope ran, to begin with. I hated how this was a shitshow to blame it all on Cyclops. He's been Marvel's punching bag along with Spiderman's personal life. Captain America and Iron man hold equal responsibility, if not more than Scott, yet they are treated like Heros. I guess history is written by the victors. Didn't jean destroy planets as the Phoenix but that's all forgiven. I seriously hate Marvel writers sometimes.
If the Avengers hadn’t split the Phoenix the earth would have been destroyed. Hope literally asks Logan to kill her when she realizes she can’t control even a fraction of the power. Scotts the one who stops him with zero alternatives for dealing with the Phoenix.
Also hope doesn’t run away at first because of Wolverine. She had already knocked out her classmates before Logan and Spidey arrived. At that point the Phoenix was already influencing hope. That’s why Logan’s the only person she trusts to do what’s needs to be done.
The Avengers were honestly making reasonable request’s considering how powerful the phoenix force is. Sure cap was kinda aggressive about it but Scott’s still the one who struck first.
The X-men were way to eager to gamble with peoples lives. Their only plan was hope and she clearly wasn’t ready. Even across 5 X-men they couldn’t control the Phoenix without being corrupted.
The avengers invaded Utopia and Cap demanded on Cyclops. Why wouldn't Cyclops strike first? Thanks to him mutants start been born again all over the world. An entire race has been saved from extinction. Cyclops was right!
@@osvaldodestefano6791 And thousands of Wakandians got killed in the process. Not to mention the hundreds of people that will die or get injured for every op mutant that suddenly comes into a power they can’t control. What a great trade off.
If the X-men had given Hope up immediately she may have had enough time to train in kun-lun and fully been able to control the phoenix.
@@KingkuntaGG People injured happens with the little wars that the Avengers occasionaly do. But talking about Wakanda you're right. Namor was a piece of shit by doing that. What I'm saying is that: no one takes care better of your house than yourself. You know? Where were the avengers (and I mean every single one) after House of M? Lending a helping hand? The same heroes that always helped then when the shit gets global serious had to figured out how to survive by themselves. "Well they are barely extinct. Fuck it. It's not my problem." So I understand why Cyclops did what he needed to do. Because no one else had the courage to say: ok, I'm the leader. It's my responsability. And we can't forget how intimate he knows the power of Phoenix. And the Kun Lun thing was a card that the Avengers took in the middle of the crisis. It wasn't their first Idea. The Idea, as we could see was destroy the Phoenix with a fucking god armor. And can put myself on Cyclops's skin: "What should I do to save my people from extinction?" Everything!
@@osvaldodestefano6791BALLS HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHH
Even though X-Men where the most popular book Marvel always favored the Avengers
No, they didn't favor Avengers. Avengers was always a B team, until the movies made them popular.
Marvel had to start with Avenger hero movies because when Marvel was going bankrupt, all the popular heroes rights got bought up by movie studios (Xmen, Spiderman, Hulk, even Fantastic 4). No one tried buying the Avenger heroes because lack of popularity
@@SuperMontsta that's good to know. F*** the avengers
Right, that's why there's more xmen toys, games, clothes, show, etc before the MCU began. The xmen are all cry babies anyway. They always 'accidentally' kill people, then go wHy dO tHeY hAtE mE I DiDnT mEaN tO kIlL tHe EnTiRe CiTy.
@@diehard200 Incel alert
I was team X-Men through and through, the side chapters show exactly that Scott was the only one still in control before the Avenger's reckless plan empowered the others. in fact in those comic books, it was clearly shown that Scott was planning on stopping the other four, but Namor's attack and eventual defeat came too soon, With him being empowered more and more he spent time trying to fight back against the Phoenix force. Which is exactly why Cyclops hadn't gone on the offensive before Magik and Colossus fell. More importantly weeks before the event was released we had comic books on Avenger's side, showing that the Avengers were desperate. Captain America was still feeling the effects of the civil war, which never really went away. As he was forced to bow his head to the government. This influenced his bad decisions in Avengers vs X-men.
Well said! 💪🏾
Cyclops was right. It’s a meme at this point, but it doesn’t make it any less true.
And what happened to Professor X. I can't remember what the avengers did to him
@@scoobydoo316us The avengers fed their version of the events to Professor X, he was actually called before Scott fell, but arrived too late. If the Avengers had told him about their plans of training Hope to recieve Phoenix, and had Xavier used that info, things might have turned out a lot different
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Nicely done. I usually don't have the time to go through storylines like these that take hours on other channels because of all the tie-ins that they include.
Yep
I'm a huge X-Men fan. This being said I remember when I read it that Cyclops had a vision of extinction if he didn't save the phoenix force. Does anyone else remember this? I think it was part of the introduction before everything started
Yes the cyclops used his visors to exterminate Charles Xavier
@@mangareader7474 Lets be honest Colossus tried to kill Spider-man with only a quarter of the phoenix force influencing him...that shit is superhero meth!
That brief perfect Phoenix force Era was a personal favorite as a 40- year x-fan. Great video!
The thing that bugged me about this series is that it's very avengers sided only because of the movies, as they wanted to promote them more. If you think about it none of the events would've happen if the avengers didn't declare war on people they couldn't control. All the negative or at least the start of all the negative stuff is the sole fault of the avengers alone. Cause they know all lol it's was very easy to see that this whole series was only made to make mutants look bad as the prop up the avengers for the movies. Not saying Scott and the five didn't do bad stuff but they were also brought to that point by the avengers.
This series proved to me more than ever that the avengers are bullies and the x men have saved the earth countless times yet none that mattered
and the artwork is bad
Absolute power corrupts absolutely
@@classyrobot5648 Exactly why the Avengers needed to be stopped.
The Avengers wanted to stop the Phoenix force ... How is that a popularity contest?
Narrator: "without hesitation she says 'YES'"...😅😂😅 Canon: (Comic:) *she hesitates, as illustrated by the words in the bubble by her head that read: "I....I...Yes!!"
2:15 So basically Cap and the Avengers openly came to attack Cyclops and his crew of mutants on Utopia, did I get that right?!?
Incorrect. Their primary objective was to take Hope into protective custody. But they were up against an island full of powerful mutants. Cap was aware of what would happen should a diplomatic solution fail and the world is at stake.
@@dwarrow25 not exactly diplomatic when you show up to another’s land and remove an inhabitant by force.
Classic American "diplomatic" solutions.
Yeah. Captain America was so badly written in this crossover. He had to be a hot headed ass because the script said so.
@@AT-gh9js What part about "the world is at stake" did you have trouble understanding? Diplomacy serves to prepare for as often as to avoid war.
Spider-man takes the mvp role here easy
Him Wanda and Hope
Spider-Man really doesn't get the props he deserves from the super hero community IMO. He's one of the greatest heroes on the planet who his literally fought and teamed up with everyone, but he's still not the most well respected heroes amongst a lot of his peers. Its weird.
@@noelbernabe8704 I'm not sure if its in this video but Cable reveals Spider-Man goes down in history as the greatest hero ever.
@@jspur22that is understandable guy saved the spider verse so many times
@@noelbernabe8704 well I wouldn't say he isn't well respected tho and he is differently a top marvel character forsure but in a sense you make a point
Cap: Hey, give us Hope.
Scott: Nah, we got this.
Cap: Oh, okay then.
*And war between the X-Men and Avengers was averted. The End*
Or...
Cap: Hey, I know you've been handling the whole Phoenix thing yourselves the past 20 years, but Marvel said we're finally supposed to care, soooooo...
Scott: Go f**k yourself!!!
Cap: Yeah, that's fair.
Love this storytelling it’s fire please more vids like this
This better happen in the movies.. that’s straight money right there n a different way of telling the phoenix story we already saw twice
I own just about every issue that was part of this event. When this series happened years ago I was subscribed to 2 or 3 Xmen and Avengers comics a week at Newbury Comics just so I could follow the entire story. The story was great, and the 1 vs 1 battle standalone comics were awesome as well.
Cool. the art in the early issues was really cringe.
This was my favorite comic storyline when i was like 12. It still holds up all these years later. It feels alot different then most one shots stories. Almost anime like in plot structure.
it still kinda bothers me Wolverine was on the Avengers side in this story. i know he's been on both teams and I'm sure they wanted him butting heads with Cyclops like always but come on he's always an X-Man before he's an Avenger kinda seemed like he just betrayed the X-men and his fellow mutants. i also wish this was a more grey area battle after a while its clear Avengers = Good guys X-Men = Bad guys. i wish they could have just fought on differing ideologies instead of a magic fire bird from space making one side the obvious bad guys. I've always been more of an Avengers guy but even i was like why are they throwing the X-Men side under the bus like this? i can't imagine how X fans feel about this story
I'm more of an x fan and I don't like this story too particularly much. It was while marvel was doing the X men dirty because of their feud with fox.
Remember that Logan went off on his own secret mission to kill Hope without Caps knowlege. He initially wasn't on the Avengers team so much as he was on his own team.
It wasn't until the X-Men starting taking over the world and the Avengers were training Hope that Wolverine was solidly on the Avengers side. But by that point it was pretty clear cut which side he needd to be on. That's why the X-Men started defecting... Logan just did it ahead.
While I did think the story made the Avengers to look like the good guys, plenty of X-Men fans would argue the X-Men were right and the Avengers were wrong. So it wasn't as black and white as I perceived it to be.
He was roped into the situation by Cap and then kicked off literally by cap. Id say he was more his own team/3rd party not on avengers or xmen
This is way after schism where Cyclops and Wolverine split the mutants up. Some followed Cyclops who believed they need to be more militaristic to survive. While another part stayed with Logan who established the Jean Grey School, to teach mutant children as Xavier once did. There is also the events of Avengers: X-Sanction which is prelude and very important to the context of this story.
Wolverine alternate between boot licker and wild animal
Wow this was one crazy story thanks for posting this really enjoyed it.
Thankyou for this. It was awesome 😀
There are no polar bears in the Antarctic. JS...
"No team! Only Hulk!"
Thanks
i remeber hulk soloing the x-men and made them fight each other together w/ the avengers
X-Men all the way…
Now & Forever…
Btw this is NOT first X-Men VS Avengers storyline. I read the original back in the late 80’s when I was a kid…😊
What Title issues are depicted with this great storyline? How many issues are there? This is a great way for me to start reading comics again after over 3 decades.
AvX (Avengers vs Xmen)
This was great!
It was a nice story because you can get where everyone was coming from. Scott was hoping the phoenix would help his people although he could have never been sure this will work but he had to do it in his mind. His people were an endangered species and he spent all this time trying desperately to make sure they won't go extinct from all the threats they were facing. Cap saw a phoenix force that was destroying planets on its path for no reason coming to earth and of course he couldn't risk that force potentially becoming a threat to everyone especially by trusting a 16 year old girl who would have no idea what she was getting in for. Wolverine knew this was a huge gamble and he wasn't going to risk everyone.
And when the war started well the two teams saw it as mutant vs human fight to see reason. After the war with the phoenix five they did good but they never considered you can't get the powers of a god and avoid being corrupted. They couldn't see it until it was too late to do anything about it. And if they did well who would give up the power of a god? And of course two teams of superheroes had a lot of fights.
It's all fun and games until Doctor Strange shows up to the battle ...
he litterally got defeated easily by Magik in this and did nothing else lmao
@@ph-1012 He held back Cyclops with half of the Pheonix Force with the Crimson Bands. Not insignificant.
Thor, Wanda, Hope and Strange, Richard Rider, that Dragon and Iron-Man were probably the most significant non-Phoenix forces in this story. I’d like to think a full powered Magneto or Storm could’ve done something as well.
None of them have anything on the strength of Spider-Man’s greatest power: Emotional Manipulation
17:46 that sound came out of nowhere and spooked me D: it's nighttime and I'm still awake lol
Ok , am I the only one who noticed Logan with POLAR BEARS in ANTARCTICA ? Because last time I checked they're on the wrong end of the planet . POLAR BEARS are in the Arctic , at the North Pole !
That Cyclops was my favorite ever.
Logan giving that bear a big bear hug 😊😊😇
DareDevil just needs to go home
what's he gonna do
defend himself?
Yeah he was so outta place..
Yoo this page is fire !!! I’m now tapping in
I have never been more happy for comics explained and the RobCore.
This was really good
Professor X has been so humble knowing he can stop all of them just like Wanda 😭
He couldn't
@@sleeeeep He could.
Wanda couldn't but depending on which Xavier we could look at then yeah he could.
Polar bears in ANTarctica??? I call shenanigans.
Nice job. Thanks.
Anyone got anything to say about Wolvy getting the upper hand on Cap, and then Cap calls Giant man for help. 😂
Isn't the first time Wolverine beat him. Coming out of House of M when he got his memory back, he fought Cap and was winning until iirc Nuke showed up and it became a three-way fight. I think it ended with Wolverine just leaving.
Man basically the avengers are mad because they were not needed
In a way, the Avengers were like a stand-in for the military industrial complex.
What purpose would the Avengers really serve in a peaceful, post-scarcity utopia? Not much of one, for the most part ... so they had to stop it at any cost.
So they immediately use the power to grow excessive amounts of food. But don't take into account the farms now unable to sell the food they've grown now that the cost of the grains have plummeted. Thus they go out of business. So now the world is reliant on the Phoenix 5 to make food for them every year and we all know how long that will last.
Even the most simple altruistic things can have devastating longer-term consequences.
THat wouldn't happen on a land that was unfarmable before. You cannot harm fictional Farmers.
@@bloody4558 Nor do you need fictional food to feed fictional people. I thought it was a given that we all know we are talking about a fictional story.
Anyway, how do you think people eat now on land that is unfarmable? The grain is purchased from elsewhere and shipped there. Only now the grain won't be purchased. So no farmers next year to buy grain from. Really its not complicated.
Colossus killing a bunch of whales in the story because he thought it was a good idea to give them crab legs so they could walk on land pretty clearly illustrates that the X-Men didn't know what the heck they were doing even if they did mean well.
A good person making stupid decisions can be just as bad or even worse as a bad person who does.
Those damn mutants, they tok our jewbs
Go out of business?
First, the nations they were growing extra food in are brutally exploited under neo-colonialism anyway. It's not that they lack resources; it's that "developed" nations _steal_ their resources.
Second, "Won't anyone think of the profit motive and the poor capitalists??" is a stupid response to the concept of ending hunger and making food plentiful. We don't live in economies; we live in _societies._ If the magic, made-up numbers only work if people are starving, then _fuck the made-up numbers._ We could easily restructure into a better, post-scarcity utopia in such a situation: one where being able to eat isn't gated behind having enough of the made-up numbers.
Phoenix Five: *fix food supplies and end world hunger*
Avengers: This is terrible what they're doing!
Phoenix Five: *get rid of imperialistic nations' horrific weapons of war*
Avengers: The humanity! What have they done??
Phoenix Five: *establish world peace*
Avengers: NOOOOOO, this is the last straw! Won't anyone think of the WEAPONS CONTRACTORS?!!
And thus, it was Earth's Mightiest "Heroes" to the "rescue"!
yes while they were doing good thing, they had an extreme power and a just as extreme ideology, its dangerous and could lead to world domination, the avengers just wanted to prevent the situation outright in the first place by not wanting the phoenix force to even come to earth, which in hindsight is pretty smart when your talking about a cosmic power with the abilty to destroy worlds easily
@@bradynielson8123 "Oh no, these peace-lovers who ended world hunger, ended war and established world peace might 'dominate' the world!
Quick, let's restore power to the bloodthirsty, warmongering plutocrats who already control it so that Raytheon can make more money as kids get bombed! Because after all, the handful of billionaires who basically control everything clearly aren't 'dominating' the world."
@@n0wheregrrl bruh do u even know the story? They literally took over the world, mostly cyclops but still the dude turned out really bad.
@@bradynielson8123 I mean, bruh, I haven't read the whole comic, bruh, but from what I saw here, bruh, it seems pretty clear, bruh, that the Avengers were wrong, bruh. Bruh bruh bruh.
What do you think is so terrible about what they did?
@n0wheregrrl While they did take over the Earth technically, there wasn't anything wrong with their initial actions.
The PROBLEM was, being a member of a Pheonix Five is like having a tumor inside your head that gives you godlike powers.
Even before Namor went crazy on Wakanda, got knocked out, and let the Pheonix 5 become the Pheonix 4, which one could argue is still incharacter for Namor on a bad day, Emma Frost admitted that the Pheonix took over her thoughts for a second and acted, nearly killing Hawkeye.
Remember the scene where Beast leaves the Avengers telling he's seen no proof yet of them going mad? If Beast was in the room when Emma Frost admits that, he would of gotten his proof, and if he was still in their good graces, would of insisted on doing tests on her to see if anything could be done, and if they refused, he would of rejoined the Avengers sooner.
Another analogy is by splitting up the Pheonix into 5, they created younger sun's with a much higher life cycle until Supernova. Aka Dark Pheonix. One can do a lot of good with 5 reality warping sun's, but they will all go Supernova very quickly just not as quickly as one Pheonix.
i couldnt stop watching/reading this
what a good as series of movies this would have been!
I honestly don’t understand why anyone would side with the X-men here. They should know by now that tampering with the Phoenix always leads to disaster. The Avengers handled the situation poorly but they weren’t wrong to not want any of this to happen. Honestly the only person who acted with any common sense is Wolverine. He showed a level of practicality with knowing killing Hope might have to be an option, but was self aware enough to hear her out and not be reactionary like everyone else.
In the end, Cyclops was right.
There aren't polar bears in Antarctica.
War... What's it good for...Absolutely Nothin'.... Say it again!!...
Awesome 👌🏽
The show that makes Cyclops so cool. This character was so cool, that he needs to act as a martyr. Very interesting intakes that he is ready to loose everything even his ideals, to save the mutants. Do not forget that after house of m, mutants were dissappearing and losing powers. Cyclops is enemy number 1 but the mutants race is still alive...
For no reason, Captain Merica! Lol! 🤣😂
Poor Charles gettin crispy
Wolverine has always been a bootlicker with no ideology outside of hating Cyclops. The Avengers are once again self righteous jerks who let countless mutants die to preserve "peace."
Yeah shame on them for not wanting to live with human animal Hybrids with god powers. ;D
"The extreme cold of the *_Antarctic."_*
"...Using the hide of a polar bear..."
Am I the only one who sees the problem?
the x men should have hired a lawyer and sued cap
Avengers had She-Hulk and DareDevil so I doubt X-Men would win
@@XD_ist they would win, the x men, that is. you see, the x men pretty much live together and train together so they can work better as a team. also they have more members. :)
"The Avengers go to Far" title says as Namor commits near genocide in Wakanda.
Nice channel 👍
It's about time.
Now make this for next gen consoles.
The Avengers are real a$$holes it seems. Also, they always trying to find a way to do Cyclops dirty.
So amazing
Amazing 🤩 Art
An old favorite.
I love how Cap just sends Wolverine to the exact location where Hope is at lol
Apparently Iron Fist is supposed to stop this but he does nothing except give a place to hide out for a while. They should really make up their minds on Iron Fist is he or is not useful, in of himself.
4:37 "Seing as how Logan just had his entire bidy burned, he's been healing for the past hour." - !?
When did they downgrade his rate if regeneration, that's 1/12th the healing speed of Wolverine in the 1990's.
Thank you
The avengers are the little babies of marvel, they cry and become dictators everytime they don’t get what they want
I bet anything that eventually, after the X-men have been introduced, Marvel will make a movie version of this story in the MCU.
Eh. Sorry if I seem like a downer. But I don't know how to feel towards both groups, as of late. Plus, it seems like the "X-men" (Krakoa-wise, anyway) have been real head-scratchers. Especially when that Franklin Richards debacle (which bordered on manipulative kidnapping) took place. It will take a fairly long time for me to feel like I should care about the "Avengers" and/or the "X-men". Hopefully I will regain that spark. But again, that's just me.
Isn't the whole point the moral ambiguity that you can see the right and wrong on both sides...?
Whatever, team avengers this time
how does it borderline on manipulative kidnapping when all they did was simply ask if franklin would like to visit kraoka yet the fantastic four started to attack first and even invaded kraoka just off the assumption that the x-men had kidnapped franklin when it was actually Doom who had kidnapped him & Kitty
NGL, around the time this X-Men V Avengers storyline was going on I was like, "are they trying to make us hate both groups as much as possible?"
@@Tony-fq5bn Not hate, make you see that both can be good and bad at the same time depending on what you perceive.
i love how the green hulk isnt their because banner would know this is fucked up
This must suck for Wolvy. Unable to choose which side to fight for knowing that he’ll end up breaking some friendships and bonds. Choosing whether to help his fellow mutants or avengers. Like jebus man he’s only a guy with claws and a healing factor, he can’t multiply like Multiple Man.
I like how after the Messiah Complex and the Young Avengers crusades they learned everything wrong with Scott Summers, and they still followed him. At least Emma learned that she's not good for him in the end.
Ion blame scott tbh i blame professor x. Half of what scott does is bc of professor x. He basically turned cyclops into his dream maker and when the burden was too much didnt know how to stop it. But it more so when cyclops lost jean he lost his vision of the world he wanted. Its more so cyclops cant move on from that and in turn he cant see professor x true dream. Cyclops is stuck in the middle
Right because being with jean was all sunshine and rainbows for Cyclops
Spider man I swear has run his course.
"Ugh god hell nah The Phoenix again I like to volunteer to be killed off first please I'm just not in the mood for this bull****..."
I always wondered in this story if the idea was that because it was divided by five they were able to hold onto their humanity longer.
Ynkow if it's possible to divide the Phoenix and it to work like that maybe it would be a good idea to do that more often!
If Capcom ever decided to make another Marvel Vs Capcom game I will love to see Phoenix Cyclops and Scarlett Witch.
First time viewer love the content!!!!
This would make a great MCU Saga
i am team x-men for life
Man you got a simp in your team get rid of him 😬
@@abdiasisroble4281 bro Spider-Man a big simp lol
Cyclops was right,
Tony used that uni Beam into a Proton Cannon Sorry about that I had Marvel Vs Capcom 2 on my mind 😂
Pheonix force sure loves redheads
Avengers always relying on wakanda for a hideout and scientific breakthroughs
Lollll Wolverine killed a polar bear and carried it around to keep warm!!! This dude is the best.😂😂😂😂😂
there is only one team Peter Parker the spider man team
I’m team X-Men I love the mutant team
To quote col. Samuel Trautman you had done some pushing of your own: First blood
You misspelled phoenix!! 😂
Sooo. How did everyone fight and function on the moon with ZERO oxygen masks etc? Plot armor ?
Where the hell did Wolverine find a Polar Bear pelt in Antarctica? That’s literally as far from their habitat as you can get
Am I the only one a realize that the hero's are always fighting against themselves and most of the world's threatening issues is caused by them?
Its always kinda funny with these People,they claim to want peace but always jump at every chance they get to fight
This should become a movie with 2 parts like end game.
Ooooo Phoenix is so scary.
Literally a week slower than Kid Nova.
Hell yes
Question...isn't that Thor with the Odin force? And if it is, you cannot just push over Thor with the Odin force. He has fought the Phoenix force before...and has won hasn't he?