NEW ICON Rebound Pro || The Non-beadlock Beadlock
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The all-new ICON Alloys Rebound Pro is here and we get to give you guys the inside scoop on how it was designed and what the thought process what when bringing this new wheel to market. If you have any questions about this wheel, leave them in the comments and we'll get them answered! Curious about size and pricing? Hit the link above to check out their availability.
0:00 - ICON Rebound Pro
1:01 - Problem with Beadlocks
2:48 - Rebound Pro Design
3:30 - Interlock Technology
5:15 - Advantages
6:30 - Hardware
7:15 - Wheel Quality
9:18 - Real-world Testing
11:13 - Rebound Pro Summary
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Looks like a great idea, but right away I see some possible issues. 1. For those of us that actually air down (5 psi or less) the wheel will likely spin inside the tire since there isn't any actual clamping force on the tire bead. 2. The thickness of a tire's bead varies significantly across different tires (a Super Swamper SX is much thicker than a BFG AT KO) so some tires may not work with these wheels. 3. If the retaining screws protrude too far into the wheel and someone were to have a flat tire the screws could be bent over (making them extremely difficult to remove), or they could crack the wheel itself (depending on which metal is stronger).
Love the idea, one step further.. be able to order a kit that has different weight bolts.. and actually use the different weight bolts that hold the bead balance the tire. No weights ever necessary and no potential for weights to get knocked off while offroading
GENIUS…….
Use balancing beads, problem solved!
I've had Champion beadlocks way back in 1999 and agree on the hassle of checking bolts every now and then. The one thing I did like about bead locks is they 100% stop the tire from slipping on the wheel which would ruin the balance(on a rig that sees highway and trails). So, that's a tough one to address. Also, the inner beads are known to pop off too.
I run the 701 Bahia blue . no hassle with bolts /weights or any other consideration just air down to 8 pounds if you want soooo simple .
These seem amazing! I cannot wait to try these out!
Very interesting concept, hopefully they will show us more vids soon.
Great job Caleb!!
I spent weeks trying to find true DOT wheels that would be legal in PA. I ended buying 5 of these from a my favorite shop. The design is brilliant, I can't wait to get them, and mount my new 35s (moving up from 33s).
The reason you screw drag tires is so the rim won’t rotate in the tire. That system won’t stop that from happening.
I thought bead locks were meant to hold the tire bead to the rim so that it won't deflate when running low pressure (which is needed to enlarge the tread and get more grip).
You are correct, @@fernarias. But beadlocks also prevent the tire from rotating separate from the rim.
@@fernarias if you would have listened.dragsters did use the old self tapping screws for one reason.tire slipping over the rim in a spinning fashion.they dont have the problem of the bead being knocked of the rim from side pressure.lol. but self tappers prevented all of that. Beadlocks serve 3 purposes. Keep tire from breaking bead.keep tire from spinning over the rim. and they also stiffen the side walls because they clamp farther up the tire then non beadlocks would.
Great looking wheel!
seems like this would be very beneficial especially the bolts being protected from rock rash.
Give it to the bouncer dudes for testing. Overlander beadlock.
This technology could be used on the inner bead of tire to create a double beadlock
Only problem is caliper clearance. Would need a much larger than factory size wheel.
@@anthonyjohnson100 not if the inner hardware was counter sunk./?
@@lont.4507 That would work but the additional thickness of the wheel would make either caliper clearance issues or tire mounting possibly impossible. Would take some serious engineering and the use of forged aluminum not the cast crap.
So you get bead retention but the tire can still spin on the wheel?
Well it's not perfect. It's DOT compliant and you won't break the bead. It's a step up from your regular wheel.
You put yourself in a bad situation if your tire is spinning on the wheel. This is the in between wheel from regular to true beadlock.
The best dot beadlocks I've had were the coyote inner bead retention as it clamps both inner and outer even though the tire could possibly spin it tends to stay where it's at. I have no experience with these, just observation and the experience I had with the coyote, which are a real pain in the ass to mount but once they are in there they are really cool
This appears to be a huge game-changer. I'm running Method 701's now, but this concept appears to be far superior, accomplishing the same levels of traditional bead-lock wheels. I am intrigued.
Its definitly not on the same level as a real beadlock. A real beadlock clamps the tire so it wont be able to move in any direction. Which means the tire can still slip around the rim with the icon design. Plus beadlocks stiffen the sidewalls if you would require such a thing.which i do.
So you now have 16 more areas of potential air leaks per wheel over time. O-rings do fatigue=maintenance. But, it's nice to see new ideas coming out. A true bead lock is better.
Agreed
I've ran tires with almost 1 inch thick beads. How do these pins accommodate different bead thicknesses?
There's no way this can be a one size fits all situation. A TSL SX bead is way thicker than a BFG so they'll either need to make a few different bolt offsets for bead thickness or be honest with consumers and say it will only work with radial tires with a max bead thickness of 3/4" or whatever it is.
Got some Hutchinson headlocks.. looks similar just non tough looking. Very clean design! Nice work ICON 🤙🏾
the Hutchinson's are a true beadlock, meaning the the inner and outer beads are "locked". So far this is on the outer only.
Make sure you tell your tire shop before they try to break the bead and make sure you tip the guy doing your tires he’s probably not happy he’s got to Mount your big ass tires let alone remove 20 extra bolts on each rim
Cool design
Lug nuts and studs are also under constant load when in use. With a conventional bead lock ring you can easily mount and dis-mount a tire in the field. It appears this design will require normal tire mounting proceedures not to mention that you now have introduced a dozen or so new potential air leaks. Virtually any wheel currently in use could potentially have these lock bolts retrofitted. Not really an earth shattering design.
Any bolt that is properly torqued down should be under constant tension, as is the point of a bolt lol
Very cool!
Yes but how are we supposed to flex on the non beadlock people if you can’t tell anymore /s 😂🤔
Pretty cool stuff, surprised no one has taken that approach before.
We thought the same thing! Makes sense when broken down.
What about balance issues, all bolts on one side? Can duel bead lock be done? Outside and inside wheel rims. What wheel sizes will they be available in?
It will be funny when mall crawlers get these wheels and then take their rig to a shop to get a new set of tires and don't tell them about the bolts holding the bead on
You’re so coooool bro.
You're so cool bro
I work at Discount Tire and I now dread this wheel thanks to this...nonetheless, thanks for the warning.
Lmk when you figure out how to do this inner and outer. I need both beads locked.
haha, Completely fatal... as opposed to partially fatal. I like that someone knew the history of using self tappers behind the bead. That's the first thing I thought of when I saw this wheel.
I think you need to offer a second model with a fakelock scrape ring. That'll give the wheelers a sacrificial outer ring, and the mall crawlers something to colormatch.
@Trailbuilt Off-Road Are there any plans for 8 lug rims? Thanks
I am down to purchase these once they fix the rusting issue on the bolts.
Any issues with air leaking from the bolts
Wouldn't it be better to do this on the inside bead also?
That design with a replaceable rock rash ring would be next on my purchase list. How soon before it's out for retail?
I’d imagine as soon as DOT signs off since they mention that’s the current stage they’re at.
@@brianhoyt2469 The DOT doesn't sign off on anything. You either build something that is compliant or you don't. There isn't a guy in an office inspecting new wheels with a stamp of approval.
@@auntjanet2346 @@auntjanet2346 Well per what was said in the video which cited normal bead lock wheels not being DOT approved because of continuous maintenance it sure sounds like it implies DOT to sign off the design. I’m not sure why you took it a step beyond that as if I was saying every wheel that rolls off the factory line gets a stamp of approval. Maybe you should rewatch the video...
@@brianhoyt2469 The video is just marketing hogwash. "DOT approved" is one of the biggest rackets in the automotive industry. The DOT does not sign off on anything, period. I didn't imply you said every wheel gets the stamp of approval, I'm telling you NO wheel does. The DOT has specifications and it's up to the manufacturer whether they meet those or not. It is a self certification process. No approval, no signing off. No one in the video is a representative from the DOT, it's just two guys selling wheels and they purposely use that language as it works on uninformed people like you.
@@brianhoyt2469 just need to follow dot regulation guidelines. Anything outside of that then no. There's a reason true beadlock states meant for offroad use, theyre not trying to be liable if your beadlock ring flies off the highway and causes a crash or death
I like “Calebs” (Josh Gates) show Expedition Unknown, “Caleb” goes to some crazy places
Yes!!! Nailed it!!!
Thats a cool idea for these wheels. As for the DOT, i don’t see how beadlocks are any more stressed than a 3 piece wheel.
I don’t think it’s about stress, I think it’s about what a potential failure could do. Kinda agree though as multi piece wheels could fail and result in something just as dramatic (at least in my mind).
@@ALMX5DP yeah. A 3 piece wheel literally has 2 halves of the barrel bolted together and sealed. So the bolts on a 3 piece wheel are also holding the bead on essentially (not pinching them like a beadlock) so a failure of beadlock would actually seem safer since the vehicle would still have a wheel to roll on whereas a failure on a 3 piece wheel results in the barrel being gone.
What psi were you running in the video?
Seems like a great idea! However can any tire be used? Do different tire brands have different bead thicknesses? Seems like that could be a issue....?
That's pretty cool, but I don't see a reason toss out my Method 703's yet.
Why didn't they put the bolts on both sides?
With these how low can you get the PSI on tires? Would it be the same as a traditional beadlock?
Was any of the testing done with 5-6 psi?
I’m so down with these! Do they come in a 6x5.5 bolt pattern 18x9?
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If one or more of the bolts do back out will they leak air past the bolt hole?
Would centrifugal force of the wheel spinning keep them in? With the tire rotating I would think every bump would drive them in further but I wonder too about them leaking? And do these things make getting a tire on/off the wheel more difficult? I can see someone up charging for maintenance if they do.
Kool now make one for a Ford Raptor.
What’s the risk of those leaking air? Does this give more or a chance to get a slow leak?
9:45 you get the answer...
Lol thank you
Would love to get a set on my Toyota Tundra crewmax 4x4
Too bad they will probably never come in 5x100. I would love these too.
@@gravitygear What 4x4 vehicle has 5x100 lug pattern?
What if you get a flat, seems those pins sit below the rim in the animation. Will you destroy the pins/tire or worse the wheel if you get a highway flat?
No
what's your opinion if we could use one of the bolt holes as a rapid air down point? by installing an aftermarket kit?
Faster air down times , just pull out one bolt for 3 seconds 😂
Pull a bolt out to air down and as you chase that bolt as it blows out of the hole the tire goes flat. NO Bueno!
@@JDHitchman I mean I pull my valve stems🤷
"Double" beadlock next?
But now you also have a ton of bolts that could leak air…. What seals the bolt to the wheel?
Watch our most recent video for some more answers
It should be the same price as the current Rebounds. All they did was move the fake bead lock bolts to the inside of the rim. I'd take a set of the old style with those bolts gone. New one looks good.
Why don’t you add them on the inside. The Hutchinson wheels or both inside and outside. You still have to mount them with a machine. My beadlocks are trail repairable.
It’s called marketing, sell the public this style for a year or more. Then offer inner / outer style next year....
Let me ask a dumb question, why don’t we machine a ridge along the contours formed by the protruding bolts directly on the wheel?
Look the Method trail ready rims. They have ridges to keep the bead in-place. and also have a larger "hump" behind the bead. Not as protruding as these though.
@@corksauve4949 thanks for the info
do you folks have -12 offsets for these for Tacoma's
Not currently…
@@TrailBuilt any idea when they might be in the works?
Will the wheels eventually have the same tech on both sides of the rim?
No they will not
@@TrailBuilt So there is still the possability of it debeading from the back of the rim?
Let's say you lose all air in the tire, due to a puncture for example, unlike a normal beadlock, wouldn't these let the tire spin on the wheel?
Kinda sounds like it, but this design should be just fine for most recreational off-roading where road worthiness is still needed. I think beadlocks will still have a place in hardcore rock crawling and such but can’t wait to see more of this type of approach.
Yep.
@@ALMX5DP agreed. I see a lot of negativity in the comments. It's DOT compliant and you won't break a bead. Not everyone can trailer their rig to the trails. And if you can then yeah, buy real beadlocks.
@2:08 so how are lug nuts legal?
What he is talking about is that lug nuts are simply torqued to metal on metal, meaning once torqued the pressure is relatively constant and in spec. With bead lockers they are torqued with a layer of rubber in between which gives you variable compression, pressure and torque. When ever you have a bolt experiencing that variability especially the reduction of pressure due to the compressibility of the rubber, it is extremely liable to fall out of spec.
Reason you can’t run true bead locks on the street is the sidewall will flex too much bolts loosen …someone goes around the corner too fast……
what would make it better is if the back side pinched the bead a little more than normal.
When are these wheels coming out??
Available now at TrailbuiltOffroad.com
@@TrailBuilt More specifically, when is the Jeep JL version coming out with a positive offset.
@@TrailBuilt how much to get a set of 17x10.5 OEM offset sent to Canada? and how long on the shipping ( alberta Canada), 2015 jk
@@rlaracue I will have to check with our friends over at Icon
@@camerons6028 send us over an email at sales@trailbuiltoffroad.com and our team can help get you squared away!
So why didn't they do this for both sides of the rim?
That’s what I came to ask. Why aren’t there bolts on the inner bead?
95% of beadlocks out there's are only on one side and work great, even many of the "hardcore" wheelers only have one side of beadlock.
The other side has a bead inside the wheel for the tire to be held in and work great, having the outside edge without the inner bead often failing first on a non beadlock wheel.
For a true double beadlock, you'd likely be looking at a humvee wheel in 16.5 inches (which basically limits you to 37 inch humvee tires or interco tires) or there is hutchinsons that is also the humvee style but not limited to 16.5 or a 8x6.5 lug pattern.
@@ExperiencesAndEquipment "The other side has a bead inside the wheel for the tire to be held in and work great, having the outside edge without the inner bead often failing first on a non beadlock wheel."
I don't think most people realize this .... that inner lip on the inner bead which it shows these rims have at 3:59 does a most excellent job of holding the inner bead in place.
@@ExperiencesAndEquipment TIL 👍
Maybe the brake calipers might hit? Just a thought.
Test it on a tire machine. That would be a good place to start showing if it works or not.
I'm sure Icon Dynamics have done all kinds of testing not mentioned in this video, as would be expected to pass DOT approval.
We also spent 3 days scaling Moab with these
without a removable/replacable outer ring, Im not interested. I sold my last set of Icon wheels because the outer ring was very rashed up and non serviceable. Not happening again
No love for the inner bead?!?
Right?! Especially when DOT legal double beadlock wheels already exist..
Less expensive lol.....icon less expensive 😅 I would have to sell my truck to buy a set, shoot my truck might not even break even.
You get what you pay for...
They're cheap
the only problem i see with this is, you cant be under a certain amount of PSI or else those pins will be poking your tires..
No they won't
We used to run that idea in go-kart racing years ago so nothing new 🙄
I looked all over and the widest I can find their 17" wheels ia 8.5 and my 2021 rubicon needs at least 9" wide rims for 35" tires. Also it seems like the only offset is -6 or +6 and I need -4.5 to -5
I would expect more options coming soon…
Are these wheels street legal
Yes!!!!
Shut up and take my money!
I always assumed that beadlocks weren’t DOT approved because they can’t really be balanced.
Why would they care if you have a vibration?
Sweet idea but jesus not of fan of the head type of the hardware
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Air leak city
If you don't know what a bead lock is and you don't know why it's needed then I don't think you should be praising this as a bead lock. Also, at low pressure, those bolts will give you a flat.