@@nofurtherwest3474 player in green touched the net before ball hit twice so the guy in black thought it was touch net first before the second bounce but as the umpire said that part is not part of the net touch rule.
Also said it's very complicated and let him explain. It's such a nuance that the end of the net doesn't count as the "net" cuz of the singles post. Great job knowing every basis of the rules and explaining it calmly and clearly.
@@isaacnishimura8044 Well, right....... it's not difficult to make a simple concept sound/seem complicated and is often done without meaning to in day-to-day work.
@@jamesbloomfield8038 you can feel anger with breaking things like a fucking child who got his toy taken away. Immature and showing of lack of discipline an respect for the fans, ref an your opponent.
As children, at least in a healthy upbringing and environment, are supposed to be taught that getting angry is fine, it is the way that you deal with said anger that matters. Everyone gets frustrated and angry at times, that’s completely normal and human. That doesn’t justify a persons behavior after getting angry, though. It’s why we’re taught to take 5, count to 10, other ways to still experience your anger, while still behaving in a civil manner. I.E. not throwing ur racket on the ground. Edit: some grammar stuff. Probably still not perfect but I hope the point is clear.
Imagine smashing your racquet because of a completely correct decision of a ref, made in a tricky situation and after he explained it to you absolutely calmly.
Tennis players seem to be the most entitled, stuck up, arrogant pricks of athletes around. I don't really have a stake in this, it's not like I watch tennis, but I feel like if the rules were actually enforced a bit more this would get reduced? It's against the rules to smash your racquet. Punish him. And not with a fine - they're rich and just pay it. Give their opponent points. Make them lose the game.
@andresjmc8228 too be fair tho the touch only counting when he touches the single posts can be pretty infuriating when you're conviced you just won the point.
Any ref that can explain an obscure rule in 1-2 sentences in a defusing way (a) not only is truly an expert and puts many other refs to shame but (b) has extreme emotional intelligence and is everything you want in a ref. Bravo, buddy.
@@zesssmaking a statement and elaborating on it is still only 1 point bro. “He is truly and expert” is the statement, “he puts other refs to shame” is a continuation of the statement. He made 2 points. That’s how English works.
*meanwhile in a football game* oh no a player poked another player with a finger... *gets a red card* poked player rolls on the flow in the most agonizing pain he ever felt! xD
Prefacing with “this is complicated” and saying “I know the answer” was good He didn’t even have to explain a lot he just had to show that his attention was worth having to defuse the situation
He shouldn't have to need to defuse anything if grown adults didn't act like children. EVERY sport or competition I've ever entered, I have read and learnt the rules. What's this big baby's excuse?
@@mickk8519 I agree they shouldn't But I won't be ignorant when I see where every sport started versus where they ended up 20 years, 40 years, 100 years later Players change when society changes and the sports have to follow suit accordingly It's my opinion, as it may be the ref's opinion, that players nowadays are more visibly frustrated. In part it's due to the level of connection we are able to have with the players today versus when the sports were starting. It doesn't mean they're more easily frustrated. Just visibly. Any ref worth their salt will be making decisions to make the game better based on how they believe their actions will affect both the game and the sport He very quickly assumed a commanding posture and laid out that he knew what was going on and convincingly 100 years ago that was the standard why should it be a negative thing now? That we should assume that that wasn't necessary from the start? Everyone watches sports for a different reason I watch it because I don't usually watch it It doesn't mean I like it a lot when I do watch it But there has to be something for me and normally there is and I enjoy it Others watch it because it's a part of their daily lives, or a part of their livelihood Things work out and the drama goes away To a certain extent, you cannot have he same sport you remember as time goes forwards It's going to change It's the nature of the humans that play, judge, watch, and support
@@alexm9479 Using a doubles net with singles sticks is standard practice for a lot of tournaments, especially smaller ones. They aren't going to pull up and install an entirely new net between the singles and doubles matches.
For those who don't know. Rule A. If you touch the net while the ball is in play, you forfeit the point. If a ball bounches twice, it is no longer in play. Rule B. It is not considered the net if it is outside the singles post.
This "net only inside the post" is true for any sport involving a net as far as I know. Volleyball, Beachvolleyball, Badminton etc. Every part of the net outside of the court is absolutely irrelevant and considered a foreign object like a bench.
@@aurelspecker6740 that's true, but in a doubles match that would have been counted as a touch due to tennis courts expanding a valid area for doubles play.
@@aurelspecker6740 true, I just noticed that they didn't have a method of setting the singles posts and net as some courts do, so they had the full doubles net, but had little white strips to indicate the singles posts. If they were able to set the actual single post and net, he would have run right by it.
Great Ump, brought down the tension, and calmly explained the rule. And didn’t immediately punish Raonic for the outburst as he knew it was a difficult call
@@210Blackjoker Normally, if you touch the net at all during a point, you lose the point. In this case, Tiafoe touched a part of the net that was OUTSIDE of the doubles area (the net normally doesn’t extend that far in most singles matches), therefore Tiafoe didn’t lose the point for touching the net.
This was so classy by the ref. He didn’t argue, he said he knew the answer, explained that it might be complicated, and then explained it perfectly. 100% class
So for those wondering the difference between a doubles net and singles net. This is a doubles net where the post is located outside the court and a singles net is located between the inner and outer side lines. In this video, look closely at the Emirates red advertisement and you see a vertical line. That lines would have been where the singles post would have been located and since this is a singles match, the area the person in green touched, would have been open and not closed off.
What a great referee. Knew that this would be a complex ruling. Knew the objections/questions that would be brought up and addressed them clearly and concisely.
@@rehenes3844 but why did he call it? The ball always hit the court and he never calls it. He should have waited the ball to bounce twice to call the point, didn't he?
@@felipe.raposocuz tiafoe had touched the net to stop himself before the 2nd bounce happened. Raonic made no effort to continue the play as the ball was out of his range before the first bounce even began. Just had to clear up the play since everyone else around saw Tiafoe make contact with the net before Raonic even turned around to see. Gentleman game, but no pro is happy losing a hard fought set. Even I didn’t know it was the singles line for net touch. Thought was full net, way I played it in school 😅
I was going to reply the exact same thing. I could see Tiafoe upset after all that hustle if he lost it due to a technicality. However, Milos had nothing to complain about. He almost got lucky twice and is slamming his racket because Tiafoe hustled to save the point.
His reaction was definitely over the top, however in high level play where 9/10 when someone touches the net they loose the point, most competitors would have some emotion for it going the other way. Definitely needs to be more stoic but his emotion is part of how he is where he is
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@@accelerationgate5089speaking English has nothing to do with not being an ass to people who’re competing having to deal with even more stress than you.
Umpire is right, in a standard professional singles court the net stops just after the doubles line. When your playing a tournament like this you really should be playing with the correct conditions for the game you are playing to avoid these kind of incidents. On almost any other court for a singles match that are would have no net and he would be able to run through
@@nick30brodeur Did you even listen to his explanation. It is 100% right. If it was a singles net, he wouldn't have been able to touch it because the section he touched was for a doubles match. CZcams any alternative singles match and you'll see which net they usually use. Also how about appreciating that someone who is paid to umpire tennis matches probably knows more about the rules than the average person.
Ok so this is edited a bit, and some of the comments miss a key point of info. The Chair Umpire did call "touch" to indicate that Tiafoe had run into the net. But then corrected himself as Tiafoe had run into the 'permeant fixture' part of the net between the singles stick and the doubles post. Raonic argued that a the ball has to bounce twice before the net is hit. In the uncut conversation, the Umpire then explains that he did call touch in error but that the Umpire's error did not effect the play as Raonic could not have gotten to the ball regardless of the call.
It happened in August at the Canadian Open. First set was 7-6 (14-12) to Francis Tiafoe. Milos Raonic went on to win the next two sets, but said afterwards "I don't have faith they were being honest (about the call), but it is what it is"
@@Katsu_ragi basically he said "I don't know the rules of my own sport, I dunked on myself, then acted like a child in public because I don't have emotional maturity...therefore the umpire must be conspiring against me" This guy would make an amazing soccer player.
If you didnt get it, this was a singles match but sometimes courts are repurposed for both singles and doubles matches. Doubles has more players so it has larger boundaries than you use for playing singles. While theres a penalty for touching the net, the part of the net that was touched was outside of the singles bounds do it basically doesnt exist in the eyes of the match
@jragon858 I believe a double touch is when you return the ball and it lands in the play area twice. It's supposed to bounce in and then out so you can't do a little baby tap and kill the voley. Basically Millo is arguing that his return was good, which it was. The ref was saying that it doesn't matter that Millos return was good because so was the other guys return since that part of the net doesn't count in singles.
He understood buddy wasn't completely aware in the moment and he'll I'd be more pissed off at myself for letting me forget some stupid rules so I'm glad I didn't see a random ejection or penalty I forget how tennis be j don't watch as much anymore
@@fizzyboy08like, you're right, but come on bro. I think a big part of why you're supposed to ref any sport to the letter is for sake of keeping the game fair, while not having an impact. Penalizing the player there would undeniably end that game on the spot. Let him deal with the pr, let the tournament/league/whatever step in and fine/suspend him. He's already, understandably, tilted and needs a moment to find his head. In my opinion, just the boo's from the crowd and seeing you're opponents face are gonna be far more productive. It'll humanize everyone and remind you you're just playing a game. Getting caught up in another call is gonna lock you into that anger and cause a spiral. Honestly I think being able to quote the rules at you, but then also knowing when to toe the line is what makes great refereeing. These are games after all lol But I'm not super into sports and never watch tennis, so idk, maybe this is super disconnected from the culture
You'd think a quick pregame chat "by the way boys, we're playing with a doubles net today so everything past this point isn't a penalty. Be careful and let's put on a great show, right?" would have prevented this in the first place
@@ΚρανίΩhe said in the first instance.... Meaning when the sore loser hit the ball against the net making it land in that very difficult position making the opponent have to run that fast.
If you touch the net you lose on technicality, but because the net was meant for a doubles match not a singles match, it was wider than it was supposed to be and the part Tiafoe touched wasn't supposes to be there so it didn't count.
Basically, in singles you have a narrower field of play. The touch rule applies to the section of the net within the field of play. He touched the net at a point outside the field of play and therefore the touch rule was not initiated
@@paintltbiack2780 maybe, CMIIW since I'm not an expert in Tennis rule, the ball has to bounce twice (therefore the play is over) before player could touch the net.
That's an official who cares about the sport with as much passion as the players. The dude just pulled one of the least used rules out of his database🎉
Confusing part here is that ump called touch "because the ball bounced once." But turns out it wasn't really a touch because it was beyond singles post. So seems like calling touch was a miscall that could've changed the way milos reacted to tiafoe's shot.
Correct. A technicality that should have meant the point was replayed because the umpire stopped it before it legitimately stopped. Neither player was at fault for that. Point should have been replayed for this reason alone.
No, the ball was already out of range for Raonic to return and he had made no attempt to go after it when touch was called, there is no confusion here.
Ref is right. In a singles match when singles sticks are used, the net technically ends at the singles sticks. The singles sticks are the "net posts". The section of net between the singles sticks and the doubles net posts are is treated like a fixed object (ie a chair, a fence, any misc object) and is not subject the rules pertaining to the net.
Just proving tennis players are low iq because it really isn't complicated. The rule states that when using singles sticks, everything between the sticks and the posts is considered a permanent structure. You don't get penalized for contacting permanent structures. Simple as that.
But it wasn't really... explained it in one simple sentance. And it's one rule that people know but tend to "forget" because it isn't a factor very often
@wj6782 when he says it's complicated he means the situation not necessarily the explanation. He did explain it simply which shows his game knowledge but the situation was still complicated.
He said this is complicated because the dude is yelling his head off about how he thought the rule works. So more like a "it's more complicated than that" than a this is actually complicated.
@@ivog2256 a lot of sports are almost to complicated to know all of the rules and implications of other rules on rules. Tennis has the big advantage of being a no contact sport with separate sides, where refing is relatively easy. But you cannot expect a lower league football ref to know even the most obscure rules.
@@Earlierfour not really. They’re playing for lots of money. I bet you’d give me a blowing for half of that imagine how angry you’d get if you where in this situation 😂
Some refs in volleyball makes stupid calls all the time, and provide no explanation whatsoever so it’s nice to see for once a ref who does it calmly and clearly 👏
You're right, why get mad at their literal livelihood. You know their job, money, that thing they play for. Why get upset over that? Let's get you fired from your job and see how you just smile and say good game.
@@robcoop6521 it's part of the game and part of their livelihood. They actually ruin their reputation with sponsors more by behaving like children than losing a point respectfully.
@@robcoop6521 so when i work my deskjob and get mad like a child when i have overtime, its fine because its my "livehood". Professionals have standards.
I saw that coming. Many people don’t understand that a “tennis court” actually has two sets of boundaries: one for singles, one for doubles. Singles only uses the inside set of tramlines, and when playing singles, only the part of the net that is within the width of the singles court (including the line) counts as “the net” which a player may not touch. (The same service courts are used for doubles as singles, so that there is the area between the tramlines that is in the court, but not the service court.)
@@krenbenz6991 Obviously not, but your statement did not imply that the comment only applied to this video, if that is what you meant, you should have said so.
Fair and square,might be frustrating for Raonic but theres a clear white line which separates singles and doubles net. Its like saying ball was in because it bounced on the blue part of the court on the sides,which is the doubles part
Smashing your racket because you are upset is unsportsmanlike conduct, and should be immediate grounds for ejection. When you play any sport professionally you are the role model for everyone starting out in that sport and you need to set a better example.
It’s nice when a tennis umpire actually does their job and solves a complex problem. More often than not they are there to take up space and do absolutely nothing worthy of a salary (or a trophy at the end of a tournament), say “I didn’t see it” when a player has a valid complaint, and deny replays. Here’s a perfect example where a computer and some amazing cameras can do their job with true fairness and accuracy and someone can be on call with a rulebook when something like this (rarely) occurs, like what normally happens when people “call the supervisor”.
It kinda sucks for Raonic, because at basically every other time a net touch would mean he won the point. The ref was totally on his job though, and explained it very concisely. Raonic shouldn't have smashed his racquet, but it is understandable being upset at the obscure rule exception for the given conditions, which would basically never arise in the vast majority of circumstances. Also, extra credit to the ref for not penalising him venting his frustration, because this certainly would feel like a kick in the guts after losing the point, game, and set due to this little known rule.
Most probably the net wasn’t supposed to be there in the first place. But then this raises questions about the ball touching that part of the net as well
@@shortbusbully The thing that happened is the net on the court wasnt a singles net. Where Francis Tiafoe touched it wouldnt have been there if it was a singles net. It went that far out because it was a doubles net. Its an exception to the net touching rule.
I don't play tennis but Volleyball is similar to this. It doesn't count if you touch the Out of bounds side of the net. Heck you can even go under the net and hit the volleyball back to your teammates if your teammate gets a bad recieve.
I dunno if this is a great umpire or we just never hear the others, cause I 100% trust he knows the rule and he does a great job explaining it. So many umps seem to make outrageous calls and then just shut down and ignore the players, like they're god (but maybe they just aren't mic'd and we don't hear them).
And he was in his home country too, and Canadians are supposedly like the nicest people in the world LOL, even more embarrassing for him that they booed hiim.
I understand that there are different nets, but have never heard of it. Also having no singles net in a singles game is strange. Not being able to do around the net shots for the few occasions.
Yeah, it’s not ideal but also incredibly common at large events with concurrent Doubles and singles events. Just something to know before you begin playing the match.
@@GlorpLorp its not laziness of the organizers. they had both singles and doubles game being played there. If they were to change the net everytime they wouldnt have enough time to play the games
I dont think its stupid at all...Makes perfect sense. They have a doubles net set up but theyre playing singles, the singles net stops at the line and anything outside of that is not part of the net in a singles game.
The doubles net being there during a single match is annoying. I can understand if a lot of matches need to played during a short period of time but I mean, this really shouldn’t be a thing at this level…
Same in beach volleyball. You can't touch the net.. inside the antennas marking the width of the court at the net. (or outside if it interfere with the play)
The net section is "out of bounds" Simple really. And technically, breaking your racket on purpose is "unsportsmanlike conduct" and he should have been fined.
That actually makes sense, its technically not part of the net in singles, they use the net pole because they are playing on a court that you can do singles and doubles. But at Wimbledon and Roland Garros they have courts where the net post is inside the doubles alley, technically that is a singles only court. They do this because the net has to be 3.5’ on the sides and 3’ in the middle. The funny thing is in high school we dont even use the poles 😂
Everyone is just talking about the ref. But I just want you guys to remember that that guy was not black, he smashed the racket, and this entire comment section isn't shitting on him and his entire race and the making of his character. Nor are there literally thousands of comments infantilizing him and downplaying his frustrations. But I was watching a video where a black volleyball player was upset with a ref call, and the comment section is so different from this one. I just implore you to go look this up and really see the differences.
"I know the answer" dude was so ready to lay everything out so he wouldn't have to deal with them arguing with him.
why does he say ball has to bounce twice?
@@nofurtherwest3474 player in green touched the net before ball hit twice so the guy in black thought it was touch net first before the second bounce but as the umpire said that part is not part of the net touch rule.
@@musix3197 oh i'm lost i had no idea about this rule.
Also said it's very complicated and let him explain. It's such a nuance that the end of the net doesn't count as the "net" cuz of the singles post. Great job knowing every basis of the rules and explaining it calmly and clearly.
lol I love how he tried to make the guy calm down by saying "it's very complicated" when in fact it was very simple.
"This is complicated." Then he goes on to make it sound as simple, straightforward, and cut and dry as possible. Well done by the ref
It’s more impressive to explain a complicated concept in a simple way than a simple concept in a complicated way
@@isaacnishimura8044 Well, right....... it's not difficult to make a simple concept sound/seem complicated and is often done without meaning to in day-to-day work.
Followed by a tennis racket smashing into the ground lol
😂
Because it's not complicated at all. But no problem in getting impressed by simple stuff
"here is the exact rule"
*Throws a temper tantrum*
In his defence the ref called “touch” before revising his decision
It's not a temperature tantrum, it's a way to expell anger and frustration. We are told to never get angry but we still develop anger
@@jamesbloomfield8038that doesn’t justify acting like a little child btw
@@jamesbloomfield8038 you can feel anger with breaking things like a fucking child who got his toy taken away. Immature and showing of lack of discipline an respect for the fans, ref an your opponent.
As children, at least in a healthy upbringing and environment, are supposed to be taught that getting angry is fine, it is the way that you deal with said anger that matters. Everyone gets frustrated and angry at times, that’s completely normal and human. That doesn’t justify a persons behavior after getting angry, though. It’s why we’re taught to take 5, count to 10, other ways to still experience your anger, while still behaving in a civil manner. I.E. not throwing ur racket on the ground.
Edit: some grammar stuff. Probably still not perfect but I hope the point is clear.
I love how everything seems calm, then you hear a loud smash
😂😂
Gentlemen's sport, but no one likes losing a hard fought set!
Reminds me of home.
Me reading your comment right when Raonic smashes the racquet lmaooo
There for a moment I thought I heard John McEnroe 😅😅😅
As a sports fan, I love when a ref is truly a ref.
Even him just saying "I know the answer" IMMEDIATELY, I'm sure both players are like "oh thank god, he's not just winging this right now."
As a sports fan, i don’t watch tennis….
Jk
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatnah one decided to be a twat anyway
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatpretty sure he said “I know the answer” because the other guy was acting like he knew the answer.
Even if he’s not actually the ref…
Imagine smashing your racquet because of a completely correct decision of a ref, made in a tricky situation and after he explained it to you absolutely calmly.
Those are the moments that piss me off the most especially when I could have went on a technicality instead of merit.
Tennis players seem to be the most entitled, stuck up, arrogant pricks of athletes around.
I don't really have a stake in this, it's not like I watch tennis, but I feel like if the rules were actually enforced a bit more this would get reduced? It's against the rules to smash your racquet. Punish him. And not with a fine - they're rich and just pay it. Give their opponent points. Make them lose the game.
You can't be calm after that. Normal people would have argued, he didn't.
@@laisksjjsjs566 he cant argue shit, the ref is right and that's it. The guy that broke the raquet is just a child
@andresjmc8228 too be fair tho the touch only counting when he touches the single posts can be pretty infuriating when you're conviced you just won the point.
Any ref that can explain an obscure rule in 1-2 sentences in a defusing way (a) not only is truly an expert and puts many other refs to shame but (b) has extreme emotional intelligence and is everything you want in a ref. Bravo, buddy.
You cannot come up with 4 points and only use (a) and (b). That’s not how it works mate 😂
Just calm under pressure is all, and a mastery of the rules
@@zesssmaking a statement and elaborating on it is still only 1 point bro. “He is truly and expert” is the statement, “he puts other refs to shame” is a continuation of the statement. He made 2 points. That’s how English works.
and (z) in this sport he's not a ref or referee but an umpire.
*meanwhile in a football game* oh no a player poked another player with a finger... *gets a red card* poked player rolls on the flow in the most agonizing pain he ever felt! xD
When a ref shows why he's actually the ref 💪
He's not a ref though, he's an umpire.
@@n8nate A good Umpire and I understand the frustration of the other player. It was a tough but fair call and well explained.
@@n8natewhat’s the difference?
@@invinciblebeast1915 well..... The name, obviously 🤷🏼♂️😂
@@invinciblebeast1915same thing, he’s just been a reprobate.
Prefacing with “this is complicated” and saying “I know the answer” was good
He didn’t even have to explain a lot he just had to show that his attention was worth having to defuse the situation
He shouldn't have to need to defuse anything if grown adults didn't act like children. EVERY sport or competition I've ever entered, I have read and learnt the rules. What's this big baby's excuse?
@@mickk8519 I agree they shouldn't
But I won't be ignorant when I see where every sport started versus where they ended up 20 years, 40 years, 100 years later
Players change when society changes and the sports have to follow suit accordingly
It's my opinion, as it may be the ref's opinion, that players nowadays are more visibly frustrated. In part it's due to the level of connection we are able to have with the players today versus when the sports were starting. It doesn't mean they're more easily frustrated. Just visibly.
Any ref worth their salt will be making decisions to make the game better based on how they believe their actions will affect both the game and the sport
He very quickly assumed a commanding posture and laid out that he knew what was going on and convincingly
100 years ago that was the standard why should it be a negative thing now? That we should assume that that wasn't necessary from the start?
Everyone watches sports for a different reason
I watch it because I don't usually watch it
It doesn't mean I like it a lot when I do watch it
But there has to be something for me and normally there is and I enjoy it
Others watch it because it's a part of their daily lives, or a part of their livelihood
Things work out and the drama goes away
To a certain extent, you cannot have he same sport you remember as time goes forwards
It's going to change
It's the nature of the humans that play, judge, watch, and support
First time i see one of these clips, where the umpire knows what hes doing. The other clips are just umps doing stupid calls
Kyrgios approves
@@squidjames7735 exactly
The umpire let the game be played with the wrong net installed... He should have delayed the second he arrived and got it fixed.
@@alexm9479 Using a doubles net with singles sticks is standard practice for a lot of tournaments, especially smaller ones. They aren't going to pull up and install an entirely new net between the singles and doubles matches.
that just proves the umpire's point...if it was a single's net then he would've run straight across.@@alexm9479
"I know the answer. I read the damn book! Been waiting for this moment for years!"
*for my entire career
No😞
😂
Bro
Bro
For those who don't know.
Rule A. If you touch the net while the ball is in play, you forfeit the point. If a ball bounches twice, it is no longer in play.
Rule B. It is not considered the net if it is outside the singles post.
Thx for explaining the ball bouncing.
I was wondering why the player was arguing about the ball has to have bounced twice
This "net only inside the post" is true for any sport involving a net as far as I know. Volleyball, Beachvolleyball, Badminton etc.
Every part of the net outside of the court is absolutely irrelevant and considered a foreign object like a bench.
@@aurelspecker6740 that's true, but in a doubles match that would have been counted as a touch due to tennis courts expanding a valid area for doubles play.
@@IdleNotIdleGames sure, the official net expands according to the court. sounds all pretty logical to me.
@@aurelspecker6740 true, I just noticed that they didn't have a method of setting the singles posts and net as some courts do, so they had the full doubles net, but had little white strips to indicate the singles posts. If they were able to set the actual single post and net, he would have run right by it.
Great Ump, brought down the tension, and calmly explained the rule. And didn’t immediately punish Raonic for the outburst as he knew it was a difficult call
Should have, throwing tantrums like a toddler
He was being a baby.
@@StateGenesystypical N behavior to play victim.
@fbiagent6456 1.) that's blatantly racist. 2.) it was the white dude who smashed the racket.
@@edwardking9359 nobody cares. White knight somewhere else.
"This is complicated.” *Proceeds to explain it in one simple sentence.
But it is complicated.
He was obviously being diplomatic here, but answers to complicated question can sometimes be simple.
@@brendanmay9585as a person who isn't into tennis it seemed rather simple tbh
Ii don't know enough about tennis can someone fill me in please😅😅😂
@@210Blackjoker Normally, if you touch the net at all during a point, you lose the point. In this case, Tiafoe touched a part of the net that was OUTSIDE of the doubles area (the net normally doesn’t extend that far in most singles matches), therefore Tiafoe didn’t lose the point for touching the net.
This was so classy by the ref. He didn’t argue, he said he knew the answer, explained that it might be complicated, and then explained it perfectly. 100% class
So for those wondering the difference between a doubles net and singles net. This is a doubles net where the post is located outside the court and a singles net is located between the inner and outer side lines. In this video, look closely at the Emirates red advertisement and you see a vertical line. That lines would have been where the singles post would have been located and since this is a singles match, the area the person in green touched, would have been open and not closed off.
Excelent explanation, thank you.
great explanation, now i get the racket smash from milos
Thank you for this!
@@pantumaka89milos was wrong tho
clearly explained. Thank you
What a great referee. Knew that this would be a complex ruling. Knew the objections/questions that would be brought up and addressed them clearly and concisely.
Why did he call "touch"? I didn't get that part
@@felipe.raposothe “touch” refers to the ball touching inside the court. He only called it once since it only touched once
@@rehenes3844 but why did he call it? The ball always hit the court and he never calls it. He should have waited the ball to bounce twice to call the point, didn't he?
Llll pl@@felipe.raposo
@@felipe.raposocuz tiafoe had touched the net to stop himself before the 2nd bounce happened. Raonic made no effort to continue the play as the ball was out of his range before the first bounce even began. Just had to clear up the play since everyone else around saw Tiafoe make contact with the net before Raonic even turned around to see.
Gentleman game, but no pro is happy losing a hard fought set.
Even I didn’t know it was the singles line for net touch. Thought was full net, way I played it in school 😅
Tiafoe hustles his ass off and the opponent is mad that the rules don't bail him out. What a baby
Absolute baby, can't even respect the hustle to get to the ball.
I was going to reply the exact same thing. I could see Tiafoe upset after all that hustle if he lost it due to a technicality. However, Milos had nothing to complain about. He almost got lucky twice and is slamming his racket because Tiafoe hustled to save the point.
Milos is a spoiled baby.
Milo’s is soft.
His reaction was definitely over the top, however in high level play where 9/10 when someone touches the net they loose the point, most competitors would have some emotion for it going the other way. Definitely needs to be more stoic but his emotion is part of how he is where he is
Love a judge who can be above the players emotions and deliver a calm explanation. Hate when judges take emotion personally.
That's why you gotta be able to speak a Englisha man!!!
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@@accelerationgate5089speaking English has nothing to do with not being an ass to people who’re competing having to deal with even more stress than you.
@@notchs0sonthey arnt talking about English they are talking about Englisha
Umpire is right, in a standard professional singles court the net stops just after the doubles line. When your playing a tournament like this you really should be playing with the correct conditions for the game you are playing to avoid these kind of incidents. On almost any other court for a singles match that are would have no net and he would be able to run through
Right. But…you’re*
@@tonyg1011people like you save lives
Umpire was not right in the slightest
@@nick30brodeurElaborate
@@nick30brodeur Did you even listen to his explanation. It is 100% right. If it was a singles net, he wouldn't have been able to touch it because the section he touched was for a doubles match. CZcams any alternative singles match and you'll see which net they usually use. Also how about appreciating that someone who is paid to umpire tennis matches probably knows more about the rules than the average person.
Ok so this is edited a bit, and some of the comments miss a key point of info. The Chair Umpire did call "touch" to indicate that Tiafoe had run into the net. But then corrected himself as Tiafoe had run into the 'permeant fixture' part of the net between the singles stick and the doubles post. Raonic argued that a the ball has to bounce twice before the net is hit. In the uncut conversation, the Umpire then explains that he did call touch in error but that the Umpire's error did not effect the play as Raonic could not have gotten to the ball regardless of the call.
If they used a singles net, he wouldn’t have touched it so ig that’s why
Ty for explaining to someone who doesn’t really get the rules
Why are they using the wrong net if it's professional tennis? Doesn't that create other issues too?
@@Austin101123it may be difficult or costly or time consuming to switch between nets especially if there are doubles matches played on the same courts
@@yes3330 I know tennis isn't the biggest sport but I still would've thought they were big enough to afford playing with the correct nets and rules.
@@Austin101123 they probably can but they have to play doubles matches the same day there so they don’t have time to put a singles net in but idk
Never seen someone so mad that they didn't win on a technicality
It was a very intense set. I think he was disappointed that he lost in such a manner.
It happened in August at the Canadian Open. First set was 7-6 (14-12) to Francis Tiafoe. Milos Raonic went on to win the next two sets, but said afterwards "I don't have faith they were being honest (about the call), but it is what it is"
@@sienxweithat's very petty for him to say.
@@Katsu_ragi basically he said "I don't know the rules of my own sport, I dunked on myself, then acted like a child in public because I don't have emotional maturity...therefore the umpire must be conspiring against me"
This guy would make an amazing soccer player.
it’s a professional game , you want to win anyway possible
I love how he calls out each player's firstname. That helps a lot in this situation.
If you didnt get it, this was a singles match but sometimes courts are repurposed for both singles and doubles matches. Doubles has more players so it has larger boundaries than you use for playing singles. While theres a penalty for touching the net, the part of the net that was touched was outside of the singles bounds do it basically doesnt exist in the eyes of the match
Thank you! I had no idea what he was talking about, but it definitely sounded like he knew what he was talking about. Haha.
what were they saying about the ball has to bounce twice tho i dont get that part
@jragon858 I believe a double touch is when you return the ball and it lands in the play area twice. It's supposed to bounce in and then out so you can't do a little baby tap and kill the voley. Basically Millo is arguing that his return was good, which it was. The ref was saying that it doesn't matter that Millos return was good because so was the other guys return since that part of the net doesn't count in singles.
Thank you 🙏🏾 I understand now
So the guy in green got the point?
I love how the rer deals with it. He remains calm and allows the other players to speak before explaining. I wish him a happy life❤
It's right, finally an umpire who knows the tennis rules.
If it wasn't a touch why did the umpire call touch?
@@AnthonyV-o2w The call was wrong, but then he took the right decision.
Fergus Murphy is a real one.
1) KNEW the obscure rule
and diffused the players immediately.
2) Didn't penalize Raonic's immediate reaction to it.
He understood buddy wasn't completely aware in the moment and he'll I'd be more pissed off at myself for letting me forget some stupid rules so I'm glad I didn't see a random ejection or penalty I forget how tennis be j don't watch as much anymore
Nah should’ve punished Raonic, he’s an umpire and punishing the racquet smash is the correct procedure by the letter and intent of the law
@@fizzyboy08like, you're right, but come on bro. I think a big part of why you're supposed to ref any sport to the letter is for sake of keeping the game fair, while not having an impact. Penalizing the player there would undeniably end that game on the spot. Let him deal with the pr, let the tournament/league/whatever step in and fine/suspend him. He's already, understandably, tilted and needs a moment to find his head. In my opinion, just the boo's from the crowd and seeing you're opponents face are gonna be far more productive. It'll humanize everyone and remind you you're just playing a game. Getting caught up in another call is gonna lock you into that anger and cause a spiral. Honestly I think being able to quote the rules at you, but then also knowing when to toe the line is what makes great refereeing. These are games after all lol
But I'm not super into sports and never watch tennis, so idk, maybe this is super disconnected from the culture
You'd think a quick pregame chat "by the way boys, we're playing with a doubles net today so everything past this point isn't a penalty. Be careful and let's put on a great show, right?" would have prevented this in the first place
@@vendingdudes yeah but its something you expect them to realize since observing the boundaries are so important in tennis
I don’t know why he was mad. Dude made a good return that he couldn’t get to anyway.
Not to mention he got lucky with hitting the top of the net in the first instance....
Perhaps then he was mad at that ball tipping the net after all was said and done
@@themanof83its not the top its because he touched the net out of bounds, where there wouldn't have been one if they had played on a singles court
@@ΚρανίΩhe said in the first instance.... Meaning when the sore loser hit the ball against the net making it land in that very difficult position making the opponent have to run that fast.
If you touch the net you lose on technicality, but because the net was meant for a doubles match not a singles match, it was wider than it was supposed to be and the part Tiafoe touched wasn't supposes to be there so it didn't count.
Basically, in singles you have a narrower field of play. The touch rule applies to the section of the net within the field of play. He touched the net at a point outside the field of play and therefore the touch rule was not initiated
There should be a mark on the net visible to the ref only where the singles field boundary is
@@richarddevenezia8186the line on the floor shows it already, but I guess if it is close they could challenge it?
Glad you agree with exactly what the chair umpire explained
but what is the correlation to the "ball has to bounce twice" statement?
@@paintltbiack2780 maybe, CMIIW since I'm not an expert in Tennis rule, the ball has to bounce twice (therefore the play is over) before player could touch the net.
That's an official who cares about the sport with as much passion as the players. The dude just pulled one of the least used rules out of his database🎉
Confusing part here is that ump called touch "because the ball bounced once." But turns out it wasn't really a touch because it was beyond singles post. So seems like calling touch was a miscall that could've changed the way milos reacted to tiafoe's shot.
Correct. A technicality that should have meant the point was replayed because the umpire stopped it before it legitimately stopped. Neither player was at fault for that. Point should have been replayed for this reason alone.
No, the ball was already out of range for Raonic to return and he had made no attempt to go after it when touch was called, there is no confusion here.
That’s a cope
he did not call "touch"
@@stephenlawson9071ref said he called touch rewatch the short
Ref is right. In a singles match when singles sticks are used, the net technically ends at the singles sticks. The singles sticks are the "net posts". The section of net between the singles sticks and the doubles net posts are is treated like a fixed object (ie a chair, a fence, any misc object) and is not subject the rules pertaining to the net.
A ref knowing all the rules in detail is a good ref
Not strange, makes sense
Yes same here
Rare example of an official in any sport not only knowing the correct call but actually communicating why it is the correct call
Lets take a moment to appreciate how clean that racket smash sounded... that "twonk" said more than all cursewords together.
Yeah let's appreciate a guy throwing a tantrum. *other players*.. would be called all sorts of disgusting names.
you clearly dont watch sports@@NATUR3F33LS
The umpire knew it straightaway.......he started with "this is complicated....."
Just proving tennis players are low iq because it really isn't complicated. The rule states that when using singles sticks, everything between the sticks and the posts is considered a permanent structure. You don't get penalized for contacting permanent structures. Simple as that.
But it wasn't really... explained it in one simple sentance.
And it's one rule that people know but tend to "forget" because it isn't a factor very often
@wj6782 when he says it's complicated he means the situation not necessarily the explanation. He did explain it simply which shows his game knowledge but the situation was still complicated.
He said this is complicated because the dude is yelling his head off about how he thought the rule works. So more like a "it's more complicated than that" than a this is actually complicated.
the rule is the same in volleyball, too. you are allowed to touch the net outside of the antenna
The Emirates Ad doesn't count as the net. But it's an amazing place to put an ad lol
Makes sense to me. Usually the net cuts off before that area so he wouldn’t have touched it.
Never watched tennis in my life, but it was interesting to see a ref know his stuff and explain it.
Mate you’d think they’d all know the sport they’re the ref in.. wtf are you on about lmao
@@ivog2256 a lot of sports are almost to complicated to know all of the rules and implications of other rules on rules. Tennis has the big advantage of being a no contact sport with separate sides, where refing is relatively easy. But you cannot expect a lower league football ref to know even the most obscure rules.
You gotta admit it's pretty entertaining watching people get upset over hitting balls around 😅
@@Earlierfour not really. They’re playing for lots of money. I bet you’d give me a blowing for half of that imagine how angry you’d get if you where in this situation 😂
@@ivog2256 why would I waste money on strangers 💀 you're weird ngl
I wish he said: "Francis, let me explain, believe me I _wrote the rulebook_ "
That's a great ref, how do get that he thinks he wrote the rulebook???
That's just an ignorant comment- & 16 others liked it i?? smh
@@jerald6023 This has got to be bait
@@jerald6023Failed rage bait 😂
Love how the ref said he knows the answer, and not "rules", which is basically the same, but less condescending and deescalated the situation.
Some refs in volleyball makes stupid calls all the time, and provide no explanation whatsoever so it’s nice to see for once a ref who does it calmly and clearly 👏
Great ref. Knows the rules down to the fine print. No bs, and was prepared to explain it to them like they’re children
Getting mad when your opponent makes a great play is baffling to me
Exactly. Was he banking on Francis touching the net to win the point? Nope
Typical tennis players, completely entitled and furious when not right. Like a spoiler child
You're right, why get mad at their literal livelihood. You know their job, money, that thing they play for.
Why get upset over that?
Let's get you fired from your job and see how you just smile and say good game.
@@robcoop6521 it's part of the game and part of their livelihood. They actually ruin their reputation with sponsors more by behaving like children than losing a point respectfully.
@@robcoop6521 so when i work my deskjob and get mad like a child when i have overtime, its fine because its my "livehood". Professionals have standards.
I saw that coming. Many people don’t understand that a “tennis court” actually has two sets of boundaries: one for singles, one for doubles. Singles only uses the inside set of tramlines, and when playing singles, only the part of the net that is within the width of the singles court (including the line) counts as “the net” which a player may not touch.
(The same service courts are used for doubles as singles, so that there is the area between the tramlines that is in the court, but not the service court.)
Nah the fact the ref actually explained instead of just leaving it up the player to figure it out
You can't be mad when a rule hasn't been broken.
Tell that to Patrick Mahomes
@@snapperl I know what you're referring to, but what do you mean? 🤣🤣🤣
@@krenbenz6991 He was mad at the refs for following nfl rules and calling egregious off sides.
@@snapperl that's what I thought. Is that the same as what happened in this video?
@@krenbenz6991 Obviously not, but your statement did not imply that the comment only applied to this video, if that is what you meant, you should have said so.
The sound of the racket smash never gets old.
Best ref I've ever seen, didn't get hot headed, he just said what the rule was and explained it.
I love how the dude gets angry for not knowing the rules in his own sport
Fair and square,might be frustrating for Raonic but theres a clear white line which separates singles and doubles net.
Its like saying ball was in because it bounced on the blue part of the court on the sides,which is the doubles part
Smashing your racket because you are upset is unsportsmanlike conduct, and should be immediate grounds for ejection. When you play any sport professionally you are the role model for everyone starting out in that sport and you need to set a better example.
God Tennis is so fucking joyless. “Oh nice play but you touched the net so no score for you 🤭” give me a break lol
It’s nice when a tennis umpire actually does their job and solves a complex problem. More often than not they are there to take up space and do absolutely nothing worthy of a salary (or a trophy at the end of a tournament), say “I didn’t see it” when a player has a valid complaint, and deny replays. Here’s a perfect example where a computer and some amazing cameras can do their job with true fairness and accuracy and someone can be on call with a rulebook when something like this (rarely) occurs, like what normally happens when people “call the supervisor”.
Correct. The net extension doesn’t need to be there for a singles match. If it weren’t there he would’ve continued running up the tram lines
It kinda sucks for Raonic, because at basically every other time a net touch would mean he won the point. The ref was totally on his job though, and explained it very concisely.
Raonic shouldn't have smashed his racquet, but it is understandable being upset at the obscure rule exception for the given conditions, which would basically never arise in the vast majority of circumstances.
Also, extra credit to the ref for not penalising him venting his frustration, because this certainly would feel like a kick in the guts after losing the point, game, and set due to this little known rule.
To be fair I thought the ref dealt with that well. It’s nice that he actually knows
The obscure rules as a lot of sports officials don’t!
Amazing call from the umpire
Its the same in volleyball. The net outside of the antenna does not count so ifna olayer touches it, it is not a net touch. Easy.
Thank god everyone booing that horrible sportsmanship that level of childish behavior is disrespectful and disgusting
This is the best ref of all time
I like how he thought that if he just kept repeating his understanding of the rule, the umpire would just change the call and agree with him.
Most probably the net wasn’t supposed to be there in the first place. But then this raises questions about the ball touching that part of the net as well
You gotta give him props for hustling to the ball.
Umpire studied obscure rules the night before…this was his time to shine.
"This is complicated"
This ref has been waiting his whole career for this moment
Solid call, ref knows his job
Both pro players had no clue about this rule just like most tennis fans. Nonetheless, the umpire’s explanation made absolute sense.
It's literally rule 2 in the rulebook...
@@shortbusbully I guess most of the tennis players never read the rulebook just like most of the users don’t read the product manuals. 🤣
@@user-ok6tf4tl5k Nah,. they just simplify it to don't touch the net.
@@shortbusbully The thing that happened is the net on the court wasnt a singles net. Where Francis Tiafoe touched it wouldnt have been there if it was a singles net. It went that far out because it was a doubles net. Its an exception to the net touching rule.
@@UGAfan1227 oh I know the rule haha
I don't play tennis but Volleyball is similar to this. It doesn't count if you touch the Out of bounds side of the net. Heck you can even go under the net and hit the volleyball back to your teammates if your teammate gets a bad recieve.
awesome comment, i was a libero in high school, sometimes that happened
I dunno if this is a great umpire or we just never hear the others, cause I 100% trust he knows the rule and he does a great job explaining it. So many umps seem to make outrageous calls and then just shut down and ignore the players, like they're god (but maybe they just aren't mic'd and we don't hear them).
Bro coulda told me the court was red, and I woulda believed it lol. He should ump/ref everything.
The booing after he broke his rack. Man that was embarrassing for him. 😂
And he was in his home country too, and Canadians are supposedly like the nicest people in the world LOL, even more embarrassing for him that they booed hiim.
It makes sense, because that section of the net isn't in the "court," or "in-play." It IS complicated. Good call by the ref imo.
If Milo’s gets upset from that, his sportsmanship is in the gutter…. It’s a rule in tennis he got mad over
Tiafor made an amazing play and Milos can’t respect ir
bro really trying explain the rules to the ref
Ref was very precise, clear and very professional. I wished he reffed the NRL 😂
I understand that there are different nets, but have never heard of it. Also having no singles net in a singles game is strange. Not being able to do around the net shots for the few occasions.
Yeah, it’s not ideal but also incredibly common at large events with concurrent Doubles and singles events. Just something to know before you begin playing the match.
@@gelatinousjoe7979 quit justifying the laziness of the organizers.
@@GlorpLorpwhat do you care
@@GlorpLorp its not laziness of the organizers. they had both singles and doubles game being played there. If they were to change the net everytime they wouldnt have enough time to play the games
This is an "I know it's stupid, but it's the rules"
I dont think its stupid at all...Makes perfect sense. They have a doubles net set up but theyre playing singles, the singles net stops at the line and anything outside of that is not part of the net in a singles game.
Similar thing in volleyball. No touching the net but you can push off the posts at the end.
Raonic should’ve known that… singles posts have been around long enough
Yeah, kind of surprising he didn’t grasp the reason for the call right away. Maybe he was just trying to grime the set point.
Nice call from the umpire and best explanation ever
The doubles net being there during a single match is annoying. I can understand if a lot of matches need to played during a short period of time but I mean, this really shouldn’t be a thing at this level…
Yeah after watching this I just thought that the people setting up the net were more at fault than anyone else
Not strange at all!
Dudes defending his tantrum will be the ones insulting Serena Williams
☕ 🧑🍳
Same in beach volleyball. You can't touch the net.. inside the antennas marking the width of the court at the net. (or outside if it interfere with the play)
"This is complicated" he doesn't seem to like the rule either XD
Damn. That was concise and direct. Nice work ref.
The way he calmly told him "I know the answer"
That's how an umpire should be handling the situation.
The net section is "out of bounds"
Simple really.
And technically, breaking your racket on purpose is "unsportsmanlike conduct" and he should have been fined.
That actually makes sense, its technically not part of the net in singles, they use the net pole because they are playing on a court that you can do singles and doubles. But at Wimbledon and Roland Garros they have courts where the net post is inside the doubles alley, technically that is a singles only court. They do this because the net has to be 3.5’ on the sides and 3’ in the middle.
The funny thing is in high school we dont even use the poles 😂
Everyone booing when the racket smashes is golden
I know how frustrating this can be but I will never get over how immature it is to smash your things because you get angry
He wanted to win on a technicality? Get a grip. Him touching the net changed absolutely nothing about the play. Beat him fair and square or shut it
“The rules say I don’t get the point so I’m MAD 😡”
I get the frustration but my coach used to get pissed when we smashed our racket, says it means we have no respect for the sport.
actual competent ump. props to him
It says a lot when all of these posts are commending a ref for being competent. Good job internet ❤️💯
Everyone is just talking about the ref.
But I just want you guys to remember that that guy was not black, he smashed the racket, and this entire comment section isn't shitting on him and his entire race and the making of his character. Nor are there literally thousands of comments infantilizing him and downplaying his frustrations.
But I was watching a video where a black volleyball player was upset with a ref call, and the comment section is so different from this one. I just implore you to go look this up and really see the differences.