Bambu P1S Unboxing and REAL WORLD prints
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2023
- Unboxing and review of the new Bambu P1S, with real functional print comparison to Prusa MK3 series printers.
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+1 For Bambu, I literally can’t look at any other printer anymore. The industry needs to catch up and innovate otherwise they will see Bambu turn into DJI where they hold the market. Loved the video and glad I found your channel today.
Funny you should say so, since some of the Bambu people came from DJI.
What about the Voron though
@@OlavAlexanderMjelde Their printers do look design-wise like DJI, especially the printhead, or the A1/A1mini. I had a DJI drone, it was way better than anything else.
this guy is so wholesome. Humble. that 2.8k subs should be at least 2 mil imo.
thank you SO much!
I agree lol
Indeed. There surely is a bigger audience for those who want to print functional prints!
We just received a P1S. It was a shared present for me and my 13 year old. The prints and ease of printing have blown me away. Within 20 minutes we were printing. Also, we received the printer in 3 days - It’s hard to beat that kind of first impression.
Yeh, I hear their support may be a little slow if you need it (which is funny since it's the exact opposite of what they're known for when it comes to printing), but I continue to be impressed by my X1C and P1S. Fingers crosses they come up with an "XL" version next.
@@FunctionalPrintFriday I hope so! I went from being not sold on the whole thing to wanting a bigger one in the space of a couple days.
My 14 y/o son and myself are receiving ours tomorrow. What do you think is important to know for someone just getting theirs?
@@rcarter a little late, but one thing I’ve definitely noticed is that cleaning the plate regularly makes a big difference. The only thing that has caused a print to fail has been a support or piece not adhering to the bed. We are just now getting to other filaments besides PLA. Hope you are both enjoying it!
@@travis5481 oh definitely, we’ve been printing non-stop. We’ve actually done a decent amount of PETG. Haven’t ventured to abs/asa yet. Definitely agree about the build plate needing to be clean, makes a huge difference. Thankfully the majority of our prints have been successful. Although, I’m hating supports unless I use the support material for the interface layer but that usually takes much longer and still isn’t perfect. Need to get that figured out.
Ive never touched a 3d printer until tonight with my p1s. Im blown away as a noob how easy it was to setup and print right away. I subbed. I like the way you deliver content
thx, and welcome. you'll be designing your own stuff before you know it.
If you want to see if China is monitoring the printers, you should print a bunch of Winnie the Pooh stuff and see if your printer suddenly bricks itself.
I tried to 3D print Joe Biden in China, guess what happened. Spaghetti 😊.
I dont get it?
@@benroweben Winnie the Pooh is banned in China, even the words are censored out of everything after online memes making fun of their president looking like Winnie the Pooh.
@@madmike171 omg what a cry baby dictators are something else 😭
@@benroweben yeah it's hilarious 🤣
You also do not NEED to use the cloud tools with the Bambu Labs printers. There is LAN mode and you can use an SD Card too
Former mk3s+ owner and current X1C owner and am happily in the bambu camp with a year of ownership. I am in a hotel about 400 miles from my printer right now and have been able to print fine with my X1C and AMS*. The cloud functions were not possible on my other printers with the level of reliability or features I have now.
Just being able to start/stop pause, and check on my prints , without kludge work arounds, when anyway is well worth the cost of the "scary cloud" FUD.
None of my prints are security sensitive and whether my 3mf files (fancy gcode) is requested by china(lol what can they do?) subpoenaed by the US Govt(the only thing I really have to worry about) I dont get too concerned about it.
Fantastic video.
*note I do have someone at the printer to clear the print plate.
Yeah, I started a print I needed when I got home from 4 hrs away last week. Out of curiosity, how many hours on your X1C?
@@FunctionalPrintFriday @FunctionalPrintFriday I am at 3500 hours and counting. I print daily but not 24/7.
I was a Kickstarter backer so my model is before any revisions or manufacturing adjustments.
I just follow maintenance recommendations and have been without issue. I am sitting on a small warehouse parts but haven't replaced anything other than ptfe tubing or other consumables parts.
@@ashleys3dprintshop thx, good to know
Man that is such a beautiful garage and work space.
thx! it's been a journey. it started as a "table in the corner" :)
Thank you for making this video. I really appreciate people (and channels) like you who are calm, collected, thorough, and also who look at a video as an opportunity to address NEW viewers and include them in your interactions as well by saying things like "if you're just watching this video", or "if this is your first time here"... so thank you as well for that. You're 100% right about "Chinese quality" manufacturing. Not only do people generalize an entire country, but they're basing their opinions on the things from that country off of the product specs of the item being sourced coming from companies that they're paying money to who only want bottom-dollar production cost with max-level return-on-investment pocketing money prices. 'Why spend $1 to manufacture a $20 item and have it be great when I can pay $0.20 for a $20 item to be manufactured' mentality.
I ordered my P1S Combo unit about a week ago, and can't wait to get it. In my life, I always research every tool I buy for at least 3-10 days before I make a final decision on what I'm buying, because I will only buy high quality items, as opposed to everyone else, seemingly, in this world who accepts mediocrity. Everything I saw pointed to the P1S as being one of the best. As an entry-level 3D printer user, I can't wait to experience and learn with this machine. Your videos are a gem to those of us just starting out, and I thank you from my heart for taking the time to share your experiences with us, and going in-detail into the unit, and the additional details surrounding it.
I heard that the limitations that prevented Bambu Lab from using the same camera that they did on the X1 was that the motherboard was using more resources for the prints, rather than aesthetics like the camera, and couldn't fit the necessary requirements to run it at full speed, like the X1's... Take that with a grain of salt, as you may, because it was heard from a 3rd party source, and not directly from Bambu Lab. That being said, I still don't understand how/why they couldn't add a daughter-board to the motherboard to adapt it to be compatible......
There's more truth to low quality manufacturing than you think. There are a few companies who are the exception, the rest are generally not as good. Look up Dofu Dreg.
you're gonna love the P1S
Thanks for this review/comparison and not printing a benchy!
you're welcome! Making functional stuff is so much more rewarding, even simple stuff
Great video! I’m all about functional prints. Will definitely check out your other videos.
Awesome! Thank you!
Fantastic video! I'll be receiving my P1S later on today, if tracking is correct. Can't wait to finally have a printer for functional prints vs the toys I typically print.
Congrats! You’ll love it.
Just found out while searching for the P1S (waiting for it to arrive). Great narrative. I've subscribed!
thanks, and welcome aboard!
Just to sum up for people considering one of these two.
1. The P1S is for regular/hobby people.
2. The X1C is intended for professionals or really nerdy people that pays big bucks just to have the best.
For a "normal/hobby" person, the P1S is more than good enough. Paying 500-600 dollars more for the X1C, you might want to consider if you really need the extra futures that's going to be critical for your printing. If carbon fiber is important then by all means, buy the X1C. If you're not going to make a living out of 3D printing, no reason whatsoever to buy they X1C, go instead for P1S.
Great reviewing though, I subbed!
Just bought a Bambu Labs X1 Carbo. It’s my first 3D printer.
Liked your work flow and appreciated you not printing another figurine like others.
I’m a new subscriber and look forward to learning new skills.
Great, informative video. Many thanks
I ordered the p1s combo. The hole over the p1s is reserved for the ams case which is future proven and I also ordered. Also I think the quality is much much better when you use p1s. I think right now x1c combo is the best 3D printer on the market. Other printers can’t compete at least now.
Yup, surely other manufacturers have been sweating bullets ever since those Bambu printers came out. I'm on the fence currently, perhaps I'll wait another year... I think we're in for quite a ride in that regard.
Im happy you made this video because yes while technically these are comparable in price, the P1P/P1S is a modern device and its certainly hard to say that about a Prusa. Especially given the fact that the Prusa is slower and has no enclosure. I value everything Prusa has done but they are behind and spent 5 years asleep at the wheel
couldn't agree more
Thanks for the overview and impressions. Like I said on some of your other vids, I love my a1 mini, and will be getting a full size a1 when that comes back in stock after the recall, but am considering a dedicated printer later on for abs/asa printing and am between the p1s and x1c. I actually was considering the p1p, but the p1s is only $100 more and adds a good bit to the package.
I couldn’t decide. So I got both LOL. I like them both for different reasons.
Watched on a Thursday in Australia, + subbed.
I did the same mistake as you on initial start up. Put the plate back in before powering on because it will bed level too close to the nozzle.
New subscriber, great video! That hole on top is interesting. I'll let you know if I figure it out. Mine will be here later this week.
All about practical prints, subscribed, appreciate one back!
Unfortunately the wifi cam is only recording 720p@0,5fps for monitoring. This is not a network or software issue.
I'm glad someone caught that. The lower res and fps is fine for time lapse or general spot check of a print. It is not the best for a live fluid feed.
It's two different things. I'd honestly be happy to get .5fps. I'm seeing more like 1 frame every ~5 secs at BEST, and several minutes with no new frame at worst (or no connection at all). We'd consistently get the .5fps if they would route between VLAN's instead of always sending all the traffic to the cloud when they're not on the same VLAN
The p1s only has a esp32 chip which does both printing and video processing. The X1C has a much more powerful cpu and video handling.
Great work! Question, I am looking for a 3d printer. What would you recommend a X1 Carbon or the P1S or would you recommend a different printer?
Great review
Went with a FLsun V400 for the very reason mentioned, combined with the closed ecosystem of if the glued in place carbon rods wear out(and they do wear as seen by the carbon dust accumulation shown at the recommended cleaning/service cycles) you may either have to A: disassemble the machine and rebuild it with a complete new carbon-rod gantry. B: send it to the factory to have them do it, Or C: accept that you now have a very expensive brick. Where as the Flsun(V400 in my case) uses of the shelf components so replacing worn parts isunproblematic to the point that you could actually upgrade it with INA or similar high end linears when /if you do.
That said, the Bambus can print directly from a usb stick(or sd don't remember which) so you don't have to use WiFi and send a print file to a Chinese cloud that sends it back to your machine, and the V400 is a lot less beginner/noob friendly than the bambus or even the prusas since a certain percentage of them require some tweaking, the factory default cura profile is crap and it doesn't have to be as mine is near nozzle-scraping free in addition to not using under extrusion as way of making nice looking and fitting prints at the expense of strength.
The bambus are hoever a bit over hyped in that their extruders can't deliver enough plastic to support the claimed speeds except during a fraction of the print time while the V400 extruder can deliver MORE plastic than what is needed for the claimed speeds, the bambus printer profile 'compensate' for this by printing slower and turning the extruder heat up to 11 to make the plastic flow as easily as possible.
Not for nothing that every side-by-side.print time comparison on youtube has the V400 printing the same file in less time than the bambu's can manage but it is a trade of with any printer, none of them deliver everything they way they should and are perfect in every ways so its always a case of choosing the most important to you positives and what negatives you find the easiest to live with.
Now if Bambu ever came out with a true IDEX printer and FLsun did as well, I might be tempted to go for the bambu over the flsun(unless flsun one upped bambu in ways similar to what they did with the V400.....
Very nice workshop
Thanks! Years of collecting and fiddling with what should go where :)
Corexy is more than just the toolhead moves in x and y. Some Cartesian printers are set up like that too. Corexy means there are two motors A and B which work together to move the toolhead in the xy plane. Meaning more torque for any movement and it can move quicker than standard cartesian.
Hi, nice review. I would like to know your thoughts between BL P1S and the X1 carbon. Thanks
The P1S is a great printer. If I didn't have the choice of the X1C I would have been more than happy buying the P1S. For me, even at the price point of the X1C, there was no other choice in my opinion. I had a moderate knowledge of printing from my Ender 3 before buying and I was able to apply that to the Bambu, but for the most part it just printed nearly perfect parts from day one and it's only become better over time. And now that I have installed the new X1+ 3rd party firmware I can keep all of my data local. There's some really great things on the horizon with Bambu for that reason.
Serious question. I'm looking to purchase my first printer. I can already see lots of used Prusa MK3Ss coming onto the market for sale. If you have chance to pick up a MK3 at approx half retail, vs paying extra for a new P1S, is the difference in speed and features really worth the extra money?
I don’t know if it has been mentioned yet. The refillable spools for Bambu filament come with new RFID tags on them!
Although it seems reasonably priced, I want to wait and see if it goes down by the time I'm ready to upgrade. This would be leaps and bounds above my current ender 3. Thanks for the review.
Yeh, truly leaps and bounds. With the exception of Creality who are also pumping out some cool "prosumer" CoreXY printers, there's just nothing even close in value from my perspective right now. Excited to see where things are at in another 9-12 months.
Great review.. i have a X1 carbon and i plan on picking up a P1S as extra. Just as a workhorse to print solely black PETG / Other strong materials for functional applications. I put my printers in a Ikea pax cabinet with glass sliding doors.. i can fit 6 in there in total if i want. When the doors are closed i can sit next to it on the computer while working without getting annoyed by the sound. The P1S "matte look" your are noticing is it going faster ; i love the looks of material and quick prints that come off the X1 carbon. There's some settings you can tune to prevent the same object having a "Matte + shiny" surface where the printer speeds up / slows down.
thx, I'm assuming it's probably the volumetric flow limit setting?
Great review and you convinced me that the P1S is the one for me! 👍
I've got a used Ender 3 a while ago but is struggeling with leveling it manually, so I almost gave up, but I am more than ready to give the P1S a try because of your review, so thx a lot and I also subbed and look forward to see more from you.
Regards Mogens from Denmark.
EM is specific to the printers hotend and extruder, it will be different per printer and per filament type.
I wonder how round the prints are, could you measure the cross section to see if they are actually a perfect circle?
I think you are speaking to me! I have an old Ender 3 "pro" that has frustrated the heck out of me from the start. Last year I took it apart to add a bed level sensor and it hasn't printed anything since. I am just so sick of the failed prints and meh results. I've decided it is time for a better printer. I set out to buy a Prusa and quickly got turned around. Now I have my heart set on a P1S with AMS. That is one heck of a lot of money for me, but I just can't handle sweating first layers, waking up to spaghetti, or print times that take DAYS. I think I'm ready to step up. P1S is the one, no? Maybe having a solid-operational-printer will let me finally print the parts I need to put the endy-3 back on its feet again.
Thanks for this "not a review". I like your stuff. I clicked the sub button within the first 10 min. Refreshing to see videos not so obviously bought and paid for.
I'm looking to upgrade from my Ender 3 V2. I've been looking at the Bambu Labs P1S but I don't like the idea of sending everything to the cloud for reasons you talked about. Can the P1S be used locally via USB or local WiFi without sending info to the cloud? Do you know if the AMS will automatically switch spools if a spool runs out? I'm thinking of all the spools I have with small amounts of filament that essentially goes to waste. It would be nice to use them up.
Check out 1:01:25 on the P1S cons
Your garage is my dream.
Thank you! It happened over many years and only after a few moves. Take your time, you'll get there.
@@FunctionalPrintFridayMy garage here in New York is only 18x20. Besides it’s detached and doesn’t have any A/C system to battle the heat and cold. I will never have the room to do what you do. 😂 I’m jealous.
Now, i need one....
I like that you made a riser for the one Craftsman tool box so both boxes are the same height, but I feel like the riser needs to be a box with a drawer.😊
Great video! I am curious how the newer Prusa MK4 (kit $799) will compare to the Bambulab P1S. I would expect the speeds to be comparable. The P1S seems to have the upper hand at this point. Thanks and cheers!
Would you recommend P1S for hobby level prints in primary residence where space is shared with family life…. I worry about the noise (fans mostly after the recent firmware upgrade with noise reduction). Is this printer loud for day time prints compared to A1?
P1S at normal speed is pretty quiet
I have an anycubic Kobra max and in between massive layer shifts, or constant smaller ones, pla not sticking to the bed or y axis errors (The layer shifts are also _always_ in the Y direction) I'm at the end of my rope. I'm fairly certain i should just toss it and get a bambulab P1S
if you don't need the build volume of a "max", get the P1S. You'll never look book. That said though, try heat soaking your Kobra Max. It probably has the same problem . .
*Bambu lab is the tik tok of 3d printing*
In the EU at least, under GDRP, you can request companies to provide you will all the information and data they've gathered on you and who they sent it to. And the company *must* provide it. People have found that bamub has sent their data and information to many different companies all around china and the globe. One user reported 20 different places. Why is bambu lab sending user data out to other companies that may have nothing to do with them?
The answer is always simple: money. Trend data, both personal and de-identified is always worth money for targeted marketing and advertising. Whenever a service is 'free' (and in this case, the bambu cloud service *is* free), it means they can make more money on the data they collect then what is costs to provide the service. EDIT: I should add, this isn't always bad, you just need to decide if the trade-off is worth it in each instance. Same thing for facebook, twitter, instagram, linkedin, etc. It's free because the data is worth $$. In exchange we get the value from the service and have to decide in each instance if that's a fair deal or not.
@@FunctionalPrintFriday A well reasoned and measured response. It is refreshing to see a balanced creator instead of a histrionic over-reactor. NBR and 3dmusketeers is like that so I can only take them in small doses.
I don't want to imagine a world where email, social media, YT, is a forced paid subscription. There will always be a trade off for "free services" and the data *I choose* to provide is simple exchange.
How to get CHYNA to put your bambu lab acc on ignore (works best with the ams)
first 10 prints you do are GOATSE
that'll teach 'em
your welcome
:-)
did you order the mk4? or did you order the quidi plus 3? those are very interesting 3d printer... I've never had a Prusa, but I have other printers at home, two anycubic i3 mega s, so I wanted to replace one of these with something more modern, since I haven't done any updates on the printers I have
I did not. I have 3 machines in total up and running right now and happy with all of them (P1S, X1C, Mk3s)
I Got P1S as my first printer. Im so happy with it. I designed a phone holder, it Takes 58 min on P1S, 3,5 hours on MK4 and 9 hours on ender 3. I could not imagine printing a simple thing take that Long.
The 58 min is standard(100%) speed. There is also sport(124%) and ludicrous(166%). The 166% seems so fast it almost hurts to see it printing. So i print i standard(100%) 😀
I unpacked my P1s installed orca slicer and i was running right away.
How long did the printer take to ship to you once ordered? I just ordered mine and was just wondering😊
getting a P1S for christmas, looking forward to begin 3D printing. What software are you using to design? Great vid!
thanks. It's Sketchup Make
What was the CAD 3D modeling software you were using in this video ? I could not seem to find a reference to it. Many thanks for the video. I am purchasing P1S now for sure...
Sketchup Make, however, I'm considering learning onshape
nice video, what software do you use for designing in the video ?
Sketchup Make
Fantastic
Thanks
Relatively comprehensive first hand review from an enduser perspective. That said, there is nothing much on initial setup of P1S, where you give away your rights(to your video, model data yet to be created) while installing handy app, registering to cloud, binding printer , while installing bambu studio etc. While there is nothing wrong in missing out some details, it is a bit critical.
That said, the reason why P1S shines, is due to corexy,advanced bed leveling, input shaping, and getting all the real life slicer parameter and machine data analytics from its big brother X1C(which is almost identical except, having LiDAR and a better oomph processor). So, in essence, P1S is cost optimized X1C.
Now for the most interesting part.
We see P1S only as being assembled already. Never think about, what happens after it got assembled, the amount of tuning and calibration, it gets through, without which it cannot achieve its speed or precision. Not sure, if Prusa gets through similar testing, or it may be impossible for a slow bed slinger, lacking high tech motion sensors. Both share good old quality control, but Prusa little better!. I challenge anyone to try disassembly and reassembly of a P1S comparing to a Prusa put together from a kit. It will be an eye opener. But who cares to go through all those troubles. But trouble will happen down the line anyways.
The layer inconsistency in Prusa print is due to well known z-wobble. The dimensional precision talks a volume about the QC that went in(while P1S just tunes itself out of shipping and handling breakin of motion components). You could pin point the source of high pitched whine, in P1S through an ultrasonic probe, most likely due to ringing in high frequency power supply ferrite core. Just some 💭♥️👍
That lidar in the X1C is kind of a bust. I print on texture plate all the time, and even though the now support it for lidar, it's still iffy at best. The Prusa is definitely easier to work on (as most any open bedslinger would be), but I hate the way they run everything up to the toolhead. It's finicky to assemble and a PAIN to take apart and fan on mine has died twice, at least one time due to cable failure in the bundle.
I own a Prusa Mini and a Bambu Lab X1C and enjoy both machines very much. As you mentioned in your video, the Prusa (i3 or Mini) is very handy to transport. What you forgot to mention is that Prusa has two further advantages, their customer service and their open source strategy. In contrast, Bambu Lab offers proprietary hardware and the support is really slow. However, their prices for spare parts are more than moderate. So, there a lots of additional pros and cons for Prusa I3 printers and Bambu Lab printers. For hobbyists the Bambu Labs are really great, but I am wondering about your remark on printer farms since Bambu Lab printers to my knowledge do not offer printer farm software and in case of a maintenance issue it is quite beneficial to obtain Prusa‘s awesome customer service.
By the way: this is the first time I watched your channel and I really enjoy what you are doing. Thumbs up!
Thanks, and welcome to the channel. Prusa customer service *is* very good.
Funny that you worry about BL printers in a print farm. I've seen a couple of farms with over a dozen of them so . . . .
@@swdw973 Sure, you’re right. My comment did not intend to say that Bambu Lab printers cannot be integrated in a print farm. Of course, they can. I’d like to see Bambu Lab provide their own software for print farms. Fortunately, there are a lot of 3rd party solutions.
And how often do you make modifications to the source code to the Prusa printer? I don't know why people get bent out of shape when a machine is not open source. Apple isn't open source, Xbox isn't open source, why does a 3d printer need to be open source? I can tell you from a manufacturing perspective that open source just means some 'hack' is going to try to 'fix' my designs and it rarely works as intended.
I found you because I was looking for a 3d printer I could use to make cookie cutters.. for myself for now. I purchased a Ender 3v2 thinking I could just get it up and running. But no. I'm a baker. I'm accustomed to doing a little tinkering but I've given up on this one. This video on the Bambu looks more like something I should have purchased. So, I'm giving my Ender to an investor who will purchase a new 3d printer - I've chosen the Bambu P1S. I went as far as putting my ender together and trying a print but the print was never right and there are way too many videos trying to help me make it work. No extra bells and whistles needed because its just frickin' cookie cutters. For the Bambu there will be a learning curve still trying to create the cutter shape and then printing it out using the correct settings. Any advice? Thank you for the video.
I am torn between the P1s and the X1. I want to print ABS and ASA. Have you had problems printing the two on P1s vs x1?
P1S + AMS for PLA/PETG and multi-color, X1C (with no AMS) for engineering materials. Have to decide which one you're into more :)
@@FunctionalPrintFriday Thanks!
The RFID tag comes attached to the cardboard spool, not the plastic spool itself. When you get a refill it has the RFID stickers already attached. The plastic spool you use doesn't matter.
Thanks for the review. Do you do designs for people if they asked?
I'm open to it depending on the complexity and share-a-bility
i want to install my printer in the garage but i live in Houston with a relative humidity between 70 to 90 percent.
Do you have any advice to keep filament dry? thanks!
Will be tough to keep it dry. PLA should be ok, but other filaments you're probably just going to need to dry before use. Checkout the magic mill food dehydrators. That's what I use and they're great.
@@FunctionalPrintFriday tks!!
@@FunctionalPrintFriday ok thanks!!
Curious: How did the prusa's version of the print turn out so poorly? I print much higher quality with 0.2mm layers than what was shown on video. not sure its entirely indicative of its potential. Are you 100% confident it was printed with the same (or similar) settings? Something seems off
Not trying to criticize btw, great video! Just curious
I have a prusa mk3 and my boy just grabbed a p1s so im curious
Yep, same settings. They're both great printers. I like Prusa's business model better, and I wish it was their logo on my P1S, but it's not, and at the end of the day, I think everyone in the industry was just slow and comfortable. Bambu labs came in and tore it up, and it's hard to ignore how good their stuff is for the price point.
What software are you using? it looks way less complicated than 360 that im trying to learn!
I used Sketchup Make for this one. I use Fusion 360 and Sketchup, but I tend to lean more towards Sketchup Make because I already knew it when I got into 3d printing. I will say that Fusion 360 is generally the *right* tool.
@@FunctionalPrintFriday Thank you for replying! yes i think fusion is a more powerful tool also but for now i just want just want to try making simpler stuff as im new to printing and 3D modeling!
I stumbled upon this video cuz im thinking of buying the P1S, this video made me more sure than any other that i want the P1S!
imma watch your other videos cuz this is pure gold!
Speaking of cloud services, do you care the US gov watch you when you use google or Facebook?
Great video!!! I’m brand new to 3d printing (I don’t even have one yet) and I’m learning so much from your videos. I want to make airplane models that you can assemble/snap together and woodworking tools/jigs. I’m trying to decide between open or closed source and I’d like to keep it around or under $1,000. What would you suggest?
P1S. Save the rest of your money for filament and misc. tools you'll want when you get started.
@@FunctionalPrintFridaythank you!!!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! One question: why did you get a P1S since you already had a X1C?
Great question! I got the X1C with an AMS without realizing that you can't run a lot of the "carbon" engineering materials in the AMS anyway. You can disconnect the AMS buffer tube and run filament in direct, but I'd rather just leave the AMS connected all the time, so the AMS will shift over to the P1S, and the X1C will just run from a spool and either be loaded with cheap PLA if I'm prototyping, or an engineering material (like carbon-filled PC or Nylon) when needed. Having two machines that go FAST makes prototyping a dream, and when the P1S is busy making long-running multi-color prints, the X1C will still be avail.
@@FunctionalPrintFriday Y Splitter for the Bambu Lab AMS and Spool Holder
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@@FunctionalPrintFriday My understanding is that the bed is firmware hobbled at 100c. That may be an issue with some engineering filaments?
@@philshel1 Yeh, I believe that's correct. Not sure if that limit is artificial or necessary due to actual machine differences. Either way, I'll just run the hot stuff in my X1C
Yeah I'm probably going to pick the P1S because I want something enclosed. I'd grab the MK4 for the current price if it was enclosed; but to do that would cost a couple hundred more and also not exactly comfortable keeping the electronics at elevated temps for prolonged periods. Oh and I do prefer the nozzle swap on the MK4 versus Bambu, minus the A1's. MK3 etc is a bit of a hassle.
I believe that fittings (holes) mwentioned at 52:29 are for Multicolor AMS system which will go on top of the printer.
The hole in the front of the case is for a USB 5V cable to run a replacement or add on display.
The MK4 is a fantastic printer and when input shaping works on it its going to be the printer to get
You still have all that mass of the moving bed though. I like the simplicity and serviceability of bed-slingers, but when I'm prototyping and want someone quick, the bambu really does deliver.
The RFID is mostly just to tell you how much filament is left on the spool and you can reuse the tags for any other filament just need to set it on the printer.
haven't tried moving the tags yet, but I do wonder if they eventually make them single use by "retiring" that serial once you reach 0g.
Bambu makes a very easy to use printer, but how upgradable are Bambu printers and how long is each model support? Important question especially since they are a relatively new company and do not support open source.
actually, they open-sourced their slicer and are so-far openly working with the team developing open-source firmware for the X1. That tune could certainly change, but so far they're doing the right things.
Could you do a video on the start-up time of a print? Maybe one when using the whole pre-print calibration stuff and one without. I have seen people making custom start-up gcodes to skip a few steps (if a bed leveling has been done since last start-up of the printer), and the print start-up time is down to almost 1 min. I ask because a thing I can't stand with for example Ultimaker printers is the 5-10 min of heating, cooling, leveling, heating again, etc, especially when you are making super small prototypes with 5-15 min print times. I almost prefer using a cheap Artillery printer over my Ultimaker at work, simply because the print will start 30s after clicking print on the Artillery and atleast 7-8 minutes on the Ultimaker
Yeh, it does feel like it takes FOREVER to get going, but then it just goes right to 'plaid'. I might do a vid where I compare the custom gcode with nothing extra, skipping just bed calibration, and then doing everything (including the filament calibration on the X1C with lidar)
@@FunctionalPrintFriday Please do. I would glady use the whole calibration step before a bigger print to ensure that it's successful, and the fast print speed would more than compensate for this. But when you do small prints, 5-15 min, which I usually do, for example, testing the fit of a smaller part that is a part of a bigger print, before printing the whole thing. A 10 min start up time is very frustrating, at least with the ultimakers. Love the video btw, happy printing!
@@MrVidimlicthanks!
The p1s live feed is a hardware thing. The hardware in the printer can’t handle more than 1fps to livestream, the frames are just for timelapses. It’s more than enough, as you said, to remote in and realize "oh shit my print failed" and stop it lol.
I have a mini+, and I was thinking on purchasing the P1S with AMS to replace the mini as it has a larger print volume and direct drive extruder. However; P1S (and P1P and X1C) are considerably louder, plus the mini has a faster start and is basically ideal for small prints. But it can't really print TPU. But the Bambu's AMS can't print TPU either, so that's a huge, huge missed opportunity. Mixed bag really. I'm thinking I might want to wait another year, since other manufacturers are probably scrambling to compete with Bambu.
They are both perfect. As a teacher in CAD, I think that Onshape (which is a knockout of SolidWorks, I believe) is better on the 2D drawing part. Still, for precise or direct modeling I think Fusion (which is an Autodesk product, along with many, many others in the same range of interest, like meshmixer, which they have both from other developers) is just as good, or even better, but I´ve thought Fusion 360 for about 6-7 years now so that has certainly influenced my adjustment. I think that Fusion360 has a little lower learning threshold to achieve
As a pure hobbyist, I can't get over ease of use of Solidworks. Once the logic clicks, it's relatively easy to figure out new things, but as there is a lot of depth to it, you have to be diligent in exploring the options, so you know what is available. I've tried Onshape, which is very similar, obviously takes a lot from SW, but I loathe cloud based anything.
I'll likely goto onshape, but the cloud aspect is a big turn-off for me too
The hole is for connecting with a usb cable
simple mistake but you did the self test without the print bed sheet so the z offset will be slightly wrong
I didn't see anyone comment but the whole is for a smartphone mount to use the handy app.
thx!
Prusa Fanboys: We are not about speed, we are about quality xD
Note that the bambu profile you used was .20 STRENGTH, and not the.20 standard profile. That drops the outer wall speed from 200mm/s to 60mm/s. That's also why you had to change the wall loops from 6 to 3. The bambu printer would have been even faster if the standard profile was used.
Did the release of the MK4 change some of your opinions in this video?
Leadtime on the Prusa is 5-6 weeks... Leadtime on the Bambu is 2-3 days..... I was determined to get a Prusa XL (Leadtime 3+ months), but went with the X1 Carbon instead.
I'd pay more for a bambu-like Prusa machine, but they'd have to fix leadtimes and the delta can't be 2-3x.
If what I read is correct, the P1S has to do all it's work with a single ESP32 as processor. That is quite a lot less processing power than even a pi zero 2 Klipper system, so if true, I admire the developers that pulled this off and it may put the slow framerate of the camera in a whole new perspective. Hell, I have some ESP32CAM modules and despite those having to only handle a video feed, they're far from stable enough to consider using them to drive anything critical ...
yeh, there's not much CPU to work with, but the fact remains that the livestream data is still taking the wrong network path
Yeah the screen is functional and not bad. Not sure why everyone bitches about it. It’s an amazing printer
On the P1S, the 0.2mm strength setting is slower than the 0.2mm standard. Had you chosen 0.2mm standard, there would have been an even bigger time difference. Your line on the parts is because you had the seam set to aligned in the slicers.
To me there is a huge difference in the finish of the 2 parts.
Your noise sounds like a bad fan bearing. My P1S does not make that noise.
The noise goes away when it idles down, and has since gotten quieter overall. I think it's just the small diameter fan on the control board.
I've been looking to replace my old Sidewinder X1 for a while and the Bambu printers seem very nice. My brother got one a few months ago so I got a chance to play with his X1 Carbon in person. I was very impressed with the print quality and speed, but printing through the cloud is a dealbreaker. Not because I'm worried about the Chinese govt stealing my hobby prints, but because sending prints to the machine through their cloud service is insanely slow. My brother has gigabit fiber and a very fast PC, and it still took several minutes to send files to his printer from the slicer. That's unacceptable, and would drive me nuts. I'm hoping that the "LAN mode" printing could fix that particular issue.
LAN mode will solve that for you.
Pfft 😂it’s a non issue for me
Apart from the customer service and the Prusa XL, Prusa has really nothing to look for right now. Price of their products are really way more than other competitors.
Sure their printers are reliable but you cannot really deny that Bambu lab has been producing some amazing printers in the last couple of years that is way more worth it. I'll even choose the A1 over the mk3-mk4s
I've had to fix my Prusa MK3 twice now (both times related to the fan). Have had to fix the Bambu's zero times. Not as many hours on the Bambu's yet to be fair, but still. It's tough to see where people would like to see a product go when you're soo entrenched in how you're doing everything already today (Prusa). The community owes Prusa a ton for everything they did for 3d printing, but their pace of innovation didn't match market demand.
Hi! Nice Video! I am definitely going to watch more of your videos. I can recommend a better 3D-CAD software though. The Autodesk Fusion360 would suit you very well. It combines the precise engineering parametric design with the unforgiving "direct modeling" kind of design. Perfect 4 you, if you ask me. thanks a lot for a good review!
Thanks. I'm presently looking at both Fusion360 and Onshape
Nice video, but it would have ben nice to see the comparison against the MK4 also with input shaper as you probably printed the piece on the P1S.
I am wondering how the Bambu Lab would last over time.
Thank you for the video! I agree with pretty much everything you've said!
I have a handful of questions, if you don't mind.
How loud is the P1S compared to the MK3?
How is maintenance on the P1S?
Any issues with either bed leveling or first layer adhesion that are worth mentioning?
Do you have experience with an X1C? It's obviously more expensive, and I could afford either, but I would love to use textured PEI sheets on it to avoid using glue stick, and I'm not sure if it's easy to disable the LIDAR sensor to avoid issues with it
Thank YOU for your comment, answers in order: It's probably 2x as loud, but mine are in the basement so it could be 5x as loud and it wouldn't make a diff to me. If you're sleeping in the same room with it, you WILL notice. I've only had to do basic maintenance so far, so can't really comment, but maintenance on the prusa is no peach either. Not much is modular in prusa's design when it comes to the wiring, so you often have to take much more apart than you'd expect. I own an X1C. I don't trust the lidar on the textured sheets. I manually calibrate the flow.
What 3D design tool is that?
sketchup make 2017
People complain about chinese manufacturing or quality but atleast china manufactures things. Nobody would be willing to pay what it costs to make an iphone case in the US
it's true
Sounds like, based on your side comments, you were really searching to credit the Prusia. Hard to do when Bambo is so good.
I already owned an X1C, so I knew pretty much what to expect, but still wanted to credit Prusa where credit is due. I wish they'd get out of their own way and compete. Right now, they still have a lot of the community behind them, and it's propping them up, even though their product set as a whole is now lagging behind the true innovative leaders. That support won't last forever.
since they're from DJI, are the printers going to be superseded in 8 months to year? Don't want to throw coin at something that will have a short shelf life
My concern isn't the security of these cloud services. It's the fact that you are kind of depending on the company not disappearing as fast as they appeared and that they will have long term reliable servers.
Quite frankly, the cloud features should simply supplement a proper, local software package.
Agreed. They have made pretty good strides with the LAN-mode functionality, and it's promising to see that they are thus-far being supportive of the open source firmware that's become available for the X1-series
Got myself P1S recently and man it’s make Prusa looks like a cheap DIY stuff with overinflated price tag. 😅
Prusa does feel DIY in comparison, but to their credit it also means when they come out with a 'new version' of a part you can just print it to match. I'll me keeping both Prusa and Bambu printers, but Bambu has cut my prototyping time to 25% of what it used to be.
Why not use Fusion 360 for hobbyist ? there is a simple loft command, from one surface fluently to the next surface (even from square to round or what ever) .
I need one
47:05. Honestly, the biggest concern is not whether the CCP steals your STL files. The bigger concern is that Bambu has a point of presence on your network, and more sophisticated attacks could be committed directly against other assets on your network. Not something that is otherwise possible just because you're connected to the Internet.
I just have the machines on their own VLAN. They can see each other, that's it.
@@FunctionalPrintFriday You have them on their own VLAN, but do you have routing from that VLAN back to your main network? Unless you're treating that like a DMZ (a technical term in Network Security), VLAN separation alone is providing no additional security. Hopefully that's what you mean when you say "they can see each other, that's it." If so that's great. Not very many people are aware they even need to do that, or would know how to do that.
routing, yes, but FW rules that block outgoing other than NAT to WAN. I use pfSense for routing/fw. I previously worked engineering PCI and HIPAA compliant network infrastructure so I know my way around it, but I realize that I am absolutely not the avg user, who it is a legitimate concern for@@bujin5455
It's obvious the reason why the logs/data goes back to their servers is so they can feed the data into their Ai, in order to rapidly improve their firmware/software in the same way Tesla has done!
Yeah. I've loved my Prusa, but the new XL is on backorder until next year, and is almost 2x as expensive as the highest end unit from Bambu. Not sure how long Prusa can remain relevant in that scenario. I wonder if Prusa is limited by their adherence to the idea that they need to print their own product? I guess that preserves the jobs for their folks, which I guess is laudable.
It could be. . and they *could* scale that printing if they had to. I feel like their problem is probably more in the product devel/engineering side. They're probably running R&D the same way they were 10 years ago, and it's just not enough today.
@@FunctionalPrintFridayGot it! In truth, the ideal number of printers is n+1 😀 By the way, there's a trick to use single spools without disconnecting the AMS. It involves using a "Y splitter". I have one installed on mine. You can find several different variations on Printables.
@@jphalip thx, I'll check that out
I got X1C’s and MK4’s and they’re quite close with speed. Obviously a corexy should be faster than a bed slinger. Lately I had a print, 1d2h on X1C and 1d9h on MK4. every time I see a comparison between the Bambu and an older MK3S+, I know that is irrelevant. You cannot and must not compare that. Also, the XL is a multi tool head so no poop waste at any filament change and much faster as it doesn’t have to change filament. Obviously a multi tool head is more expensive than a single tool head. It’s also larger print area and better heated bed. I’m a Prusa fan, but also a Bambu, I got and use them both for my business.
@@marcelzuidwijk I think the comparison is still relevant due to the pricing set by each. You could get 2 P1S's for the price of an enclosed Mk4 :(