It's so funny to always hear how people think goths are rude while most of them are so incredibly sweet. Especially older goths always help baby bats (people who just started to join the scene) to find their place. Love your videos! 🖤
Turns out I'm a goth in everything but fashion. When I was a teen, I wanted to drees like a goth but my parents didn't let me. So knowing that I am one after all, it's pretty nice.
As a teen I never really got to explore my own identity. I had to subscribe to the hegemony of the rural community. My music was my parents’ music, but when I moved out in my own I began to discover my own identity and have been gravitating towards active nihilism and finding place within the emo/goth genre of music and life.
I also know, some hairstyles are different. Like emo is more flat hair. And Gothic is more fluffy hair. Like I'm Gothic, but my hair most of the time is really fluffy. And that messy look.
Recently I've been trying out new styles and what speaks to me, goth and emo for so long have been what I have tried to avoid identifying as and I wouldn't consider myself as one. I really love the goth style and recently, I've been just diving and falling into the rabbit hole abt goth culture. I never knew some of the bands I enjoyed listening to would be considered goth or emo, I can't consider myself to be fully either just because I listen to the smidgen of those bands and dress goth-like from time to time. To me, it's kinda like a commitment to that lifestyle which is why I had such a hard time seeing myself, identifying as one wouldn't just doesn't feel right either. I just wanted to share this cuz this channel is really helpful and educational abt this topic :) On a separate not, I stick to trying new things out and see which one I feel fits the most and just enjoy expressing myself in different ways instead of just sticking to one way.
Ah...yes. Thank you for pointing that out. I think I mixed it up with the released year of Press the Eject and Give Me the Tape. Again, thank you so much 🙏
Right. And in 1983 The film “the Hunger“ opened with Bella Lugosi’s Dead, which was mainstreams first taste of Goth. The Batcave club opened in 1982 for a burgeoning Gothic scene.
From someone who was and sill be active in emo, goth, Metal and Punk i can for surely say you can listen to all kind of music, surely you can Identify more with one of these subgenres and also can't identify as none of those and still listen to all kind of music. You can also be a mix, I always tried to mix some themes of the fashion styles. Because my mind always switches between doing a deep dive in one or multiple of the these subcultures, I stopped declaring myself as one of these subcultures (Even through Goth is still the one i listen most to besides my all time favorite Bands) P.S. Thank you for mentioning Fields of Nephilim, it's a fantastic goth Band which isn't mentioned often enough in my eyes
Agreed, people shouldn't stick themselves to one label. And even if someone doesn't only listen to one genre, they still might be able to fit in multiple labels
AFI, MCR, the Used and Panic are actually examples of "scene bands". Scene kids are more in line with glam rock acts like David Bowie in his Ziggy Stardust phase and are usually more outgoing and cheerful than their Goth and emo cousins.
I wouldn’t say scene kids are more in line with Glamrock, than Emo culture, but they are definitely the Glam branch. Fairy Goths, pastel Goths, and cyberpunks are also brighter shinier cousins.
No I understand why you think that but if you research it scene music is genres like crunkcore, metalcore, deathcore and crabcore scene is more related to metal and punk then emo
I'm at 8:26, and I must say... Great info, though not entirely complete. I'd look at the summary of Goth Culture given in "What is Goth" by J.W. Thurston (AKA: Gothistorian), and also on their website. They definitely have an expansive view of Goth Culture that I've found to be quite affirming and refreshing, as a melanated Vampy/Industrial Goth type aesthetically, and subculture participant in both, as I make music and have children who lean more Emo than Goth, specifically. The unfortunate thing is that many popular descriptions of Goth or Emo Culture make no mentions of ANY POC contributors, participants of the subculture, nor our aesthetic. And for clarity, I'm 43, and have been called an Elder Goth by a few I've met. I've been on the Goth scene since the age of 14, and I've yet to see anyone acknowledge Melanated Goths so vocally. WE DO EXIST! I recognize that we only know what we know, until we learn more. I do hope you'll consider an update after viewing Gothistorian's book/website/info. Rock on, pplz! 🤘🏽✨✨
@@D1MONDZ if you're looking for the first episode the goth kids were in, it's S07E14 "Raisins" Such a good episode! (both the goth kids and Butters' story lines) It doesn't fit me currently, but I have a shirt that has the goth kids and Stan and says his quote "what's the point in caring if all it brings is pain." Of course I would wear that when I was depressed lol
Yeah same here 🙂 That's a great episode. It's very funny an witty on how it shows how Goth, emo an Vamp kids are kinda different but they all dress the same in black an the very funny an clever joke of how Stan was told, that to be a free thinking individual like the goths, to be free an creative that Stan had to act an dress like them, that jokes very witty an funny, it explains about how not to follow any trend or group but rather to actually be your own free thinking individual, to think for yourself an be yourself that your not actually labelled as anything, it means just be you. Just be yourself.
I'm a mix of both. Even though I knew all of this already I just love watching and reading up on it regularly and reading comments. Your art is amazing btw.
Emo doesn’t have a look, anyone who thinks that is only a Scene who likes Emo music. It’s a music based subculture, and doesn’t have a dress code, cause it’s from punk which doesn’t have a dress code. Most kids who dress like that are posers who think stuff like Green Day counts as Emo, just a heads up.
In that case I'm kind of this weird hybrid of Emo and Goth. Although specifically I've been more into Visual Kei, specifically Malice Mizer and Kamijo. But also Candy Spooky Theatre is kind of a guilty pleasure. I found them when I wanted to see how Visual Kei interpreted Cabaret, sense here in US we have Dark Cabaret. I do sometimes get lumped in with Black Metal. But other than the long hair, I don't really see the resemblance. I would have hair more like my illustration, but I don't really have the hair type for it. I was trying to imagine what a specific subset of Gothic Hippy might be like. Color palette is a bit complicated, as I used to mainly use baby blue, monocromatic grey, nordic green, and red. Combining red and lime green would give you a shade of blond hair. And sometimes I'm not against using lighter shades of suede.
I’m so glad that you people have a harder time defining emo in ideology and style. Less predictable and stereotypical. Emo embraces a melancholy in life philosophy, the human state etc. It’s more poetic and abstract. IMO. All of those categories not necessary, music, style and ideology. People are dying to either box you in or to fit into. Defies the whole purpose of emo in the first place. Again, IMO. Perhaps I’m describing something entirely different. Whatever.
What about the e-girl and e-boy fashion and music scene? It has more revealing clothing, shaved heads, polo shirts, chinos, ear stretchers and slaps both goth and emo subcultures together. It also branches out into metal and hip hop, something that became a thing in 2006 and made someone like me interested at the grand old age of 15. Tbh Goth is 80s Gen X stuff from my parents' day and Emo is 21st century social media subculture for Millennials and zoomers. Emo is more street and normie in its appearance, with more worn out clothes compared to Goth's more polished, edgy and dark aesthetic. Old school emo fashion was, well, normal looking. 3rd wave emo was sort of a glam rock/goth fashion revival. Great video.
They're just bringing some aesthetics of those two subcultures back, no real relation in my opinion. Also, goth was still very much alive in millennial days.
@@Lilliathi Goth is very much alive TODAY. We have five Goth clubs in my city, and there are more new Goths bands today than there were in the 80s and 90s. Twin Tribes, Forever Grey, The Ghost of Bela Lugosi, Lebanon Hanover, SRSQ, Boy Harsher, Rosegarden Funeral Party, Male Tears, Actors, Scary Black, DARK, and many more. Even The Cure, Pet Shop Boys and Depeche Mode have new albums out and have been touring. The Goth scene is huge. I am a DJ.
I'm an artist who doesn't know if their favourite character is a goth or emo. This video helped me understand between a lot better, thank you so much 🖤🖤🖤
Goth: Nancy from the Craft, Dr. Fankinfurther, Robert Smith, Siouxsie Sue, etc. Emo: Gerard Way, Davy Vanity, and most of the people I hung out with in high school. Basically, I was an Emo first. I was Emo as a teenager and high school, and then I got into the goth scene in college because a friend introduced me to the music. I fell in love with the music and I am not looking back.
@@imago9059 exactly! type o negative is widely considered a band thats well known in the goth community, but its really gothic metal. sisters of mercy, esoecially the first album, is anout the most goth sound i can think of lmao
The only thing that we could probably compare both too with actually in the smallest way possible is that they both came from a music scene and then slowly drifted away from just in styles alone now with subverted music etc. Then again some have tried to bring things back to it's roots mainly.
I tend to lean more towards emo music, I think, though I do listen to lot of different kinds of rock and folk music, but in almost every other way, I am a mix of both subcultures. Especially in terms of fashion.
Also...I'm a Goth but had a GF who was Emo. I learnt from her and the documentaries on Emo she showed me that it was about being emotional and melodramatic, I really hated that part of the subculture. To give her credit she was honest enough to admit that Emo music and fashion is a bit more mainstream.
My old band played psychedelic space rock. Besides the doors, Pink Floyd & cream our main influences were, siouxsie and the banshees, the cure, sisters of mercy, the mission uk, joy division, new order, U2, tool, portishead,& depesche mode
I was a former goth industrial and now I identify as more emo goth. "When one has an identity, one has a chance to become a part of something bigger than himself." - BAUHAUS Post-script: Henrietta from South Park once said, "No one understands us." If I could talk with Henrietta for 45 minutes over coffee, then I would not say a word. I would listen.
The music I listen to is definitely more emo but man, my style is like somewhere in between, idk, like, I feel that makes it more personal in a way, rather then just dressing emo or dressing goth, cause I dress in a way to express myself and enjoy that, idk maybe I’m just weird
As an elder emo (I'm in my 30s), I started out attracted by the goth style of the spectrum, as a kid I really liked horror and gothic themes pretty early on, and this was prior the 00s emo resurgence so goth was the closest darkest subculture to recognize with, but in my teens and early 20s, I strongly gravitated into emo music, ergo, style, but kept goth style items like lace and corsets. So I think is pretty natural to gravitate towards both. Imagine my pleasure when dark academia came into the style scene and now I could also have the bookish style of my nerdy/academic self reflected on an aesthetic (it also makes a good office style!) xD. You´re not alone.
Something I've noticed in a couple of your vids so far is how you say these subcultures are music based and you have to listen to the music to consider yourself so... but you can wear the fashion and not be within the subcultures... doesn't that make someone a poser ? Why not embrace the culture if you're gonna dress like people within it ? Isn't that why we dress the way we do ? To connect with others like us since we're hard to find as is ? I can understand not neccesarily dressing a certain way and listening to the music as a valid way to "abel" yourself as such but not the other way around... it just gives fake.
I like both. I'm more into emo music, but I like some goth music too. However, when it comes to fashion, I prefer gothic. When it comes to music, I prefer emo. Like gothics, I also appreciate the darkness and see beauty in it and like emos I love emotional expression in clothing and lyrics. Despite all this, I don't have a specific way of dressing. I may dress gothic, pastel goth, cosplay, dress in fandom, or dress frilly and cutsie. I have a large range and I love to surprise. My fashions don't really tell my music unless I'm wearing a shirt of it.
Haters gonna hate... I actually have no problems with goths or emos, in truth I dig both their styles but more importantly is the that they're unique with the style both sides bring to the world keeps things interesting.
Goths rule 🖤 Goths are blasee while emos are looking for attention. Goths don't want to be seen or bothered. Emos. Seek to be seen. Btw The Doors were not goth.
I think there's a weird correlation between these two subcultures cause emotional hardcore/post- hardcore/pop punk music and gothic rock/darkwave music wouldn't exist if post-punk wasn't a thing. It's like both subcultures derive from the same place if you think about it. I love all these genres and listen to a ton of artists, however my fashion style is more like "2014 tumblr grunge" than emo or goth.
So their different but their coming from the same place! Goth and Emo are not that different!!! Most people that were emo ended up becoming goth or metal heads over time or they stop dressing in those styles completely. At least that what I have seen. Like I said it's not so different from the other.
Goths want to be left alone to be alone or with like-minded others. Emo's want to be right up in your face w/ their Emo-ness. In my experience. Such a lame conformist movement.
So.....Gothic Subculture can be traced back as far as 1967!? 🤨 Someone needs to record Gothic Industrial versions of songs by The Doors and Velvet Underground.....it has to happen!
Oh s*** here we go again posers, the emo and goth subculture a different about the music and fashion taste will Goth also put emotion in it but it's also relaxing what the other hand emo is something different more Gitarre riffs harsh.
OK no emo came un 2003 to 2004 emotional hard was not a thing in the 80s thrash was thing emoshinal hard core came in 2006 arund the time when most skaters parks were destroyed by polititions & big curupted business it's still happening in 2024
Thank you for the video you did a nice job on it 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Personally I think if Goths back in the day would have helped so-called baby bats better. By stopping all of the elitism & gatekeeping we wouldn't have so many different subcultures as we do now.
@@truffeltroll6668 Well before the internet became widely available in the early & mid 90s you actually had to find & research bands across the country & world in magazines, books or listening to the radio. Ignorant people in the goth scene back then used to hold information over people's heads. Then made fun of them for not knowing the band they found last week just to feel somewhat superior. Personally I never did that I liked helping people get into the subculture however I did take pleasure in making fun of those elitist & gatekeepers.
@@truffeltroll6668 Yeah it's so easier for people after the mid 90s to get information now days they take it for granted. I don't know if you know this other CZcamsr Angela Benedict - she has a whole a lot of videos on this subject.
@@aaof-d-mio-fv2fb It doesn't matter what people, groups or subcultures whatever you want to call it - everybody imitates everyone or someone to a point that's how things evolve later
I love her accent. It's unusual - I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone speak like that - but I understood it all without any problem, maybe because in London we're surrounded by the accents of every nationality in the world. But you can always replay or slow down if it's unclear.
It's so funny to always hear how people think goths are rude while most of them are so incredibly sweet. Especially older goths always help baby bats (people who just started to join the scene) to find their place. Love your videos! 🖤
Fr. Goths are the most constantly gentle people I've met.
All groups have bad people
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I know this yet the trad goth girlys still scare me
I’m a baby myself and I just got into the goth community yesterday and so far this has lessened my mental health and I’m proud to within it
Turns out I'm a goth in everything but fashion. When I was a teen, I wanted to drees like a goth but my parents didn't let me. So knowing that I am one after all, it's pretty nice.
I'm working on u tub vido on my u tub chanal Greek vampy on were emo evolved from & were goth evolved from
As a teen I never really got to explore my own identity. I had to subscribe to the hegemony of the rural community. My music was my parents’ music, but when I moved out in my own I began to discover my own identity and have been gravitating towards active nihilism and finding place within the emo/goth genre of music and life.
Your artstyle is a combination of cute and goth its so pleasing to see
This is going to save a lot of time for a lot of people.
I also know, some hairstyles are different. Like emo is more flat hair. And Gothic is more fluffy hair. Like I'm Gothic, but my hair most of the time is really fluffy. And that messy look.
Recently I've been trying out new styles and what speaks to me, goth and emo for so long have been what I have tried to avoid identifying as and I wouldn't consider myself as one. I really love the goth style and recently, I've been just diving and falling into the rabbit hole abt goth culture. I never knew some of the bands I enjoyed listening to would be considered goth or emo, I can't consider myself to be fully either just because I listen to the smidgen of those bands and dress goth-like from time to time. To me, it's kinda like a commitment to that lifestyle which is why I had such a hard time seeing myself, identifying as one wouldn't just doesn't feel right either. I just wanted to share this cuz this channel is really helpful and educational abt this topic :)
On a separate not, I stick to trying new things out and see which one I feel fits the most and just enjoy expressing myself in different ways instead of just sticking to one way.
Very interesting and important subject. Thank you for covering it🖤
Bela Lugosi's Dead was released in 1979.
Ah...yes. Thank you for pointing that out. I think I mixed it up with the released year of Press the Eject and Give Me the Tape. Again, thank you so much 🙏
Right. And in 1983 The film “the Hunger“ opened with Bella Lugosi’s Dead, which was mainstreams first taste of Goth.
The Batcave club opened in 1982 for a burgeoning Gothic scene.
From someone who was and sill be active in emo, goth, Metal and Punk i can for surely say you can listen to all kind of music, surely you can Identify more with one of these subgenres and also can't identify as none of those and still listen to all kind of music. You can also be a mix, I always tried to mix some themes of the fashion styles.
Because my mind always switches between doing a deep dive in one or multiple of the these subcultures, I stopped declaring myself as one of these subcultures (Even through Goth is still the one i listen most to besides my all time favorite Bands)
P.S. Thank you for mentioning Fields of Nephilim, it's a fantastic goth Band which isn't mentioned often enough in my eyes
Agreed, people shouldn't stick themselves to one label. And even if someone doesn't only listen to one genre, they still might be able to fit in multiple labels
A big difference between Goth and Emo is that people can be Goth their whole life. How often do you see 60 year old Emos?
finally - i think this video was needed
Oh to have been a goth in the early 80s in the UK 😩🦇
To have been a warlock a 1000 years ago pumping up Vikings for a raid into lands that they had never been in before and raided 🕶️
You know the difference between goths and emo 🖤? Goths have “No time to cry”
Because they don’t care. The whole point of emo is being full on in touch with emotions not a sociopath.
Thank you, I found this video very useful. I'll look into the bands you recommended for both genres.
AFI, MCR, the Used and Panic are actually examples of "scene bands". Scene kids are more in line with glam rock acts like David Bowie in his Ziggy Stardust phase and are usually more outgoing and cheerful than their Goth and emo cousins.
I wouldn’t say scene kids are more in line with Glamrock, than Emo culture, but they are definitely the Glam branch.
Fairy Goths, pastel Goths, and cyberpunks are also brighter shinier cousins.
No I understand why you think that but if you research it scene music is genres like crunkcore, metalcore, deathcore and crabcore scene is more related to metal and punk then emo
There isn’t really a specific genre of scene music, but it is generally agreed that its a mix of hyperpop, rave and emo ig
I'm at 8:26, and I must say... Great info, though not entirely complete. I'd look at the summary of Goth Culture given in "What is Goth" by J.W. Thurston (AKA: Gothistorian), and also on their website. They definitely have an expansive view of Goth Culture that I've found to be quite affirming and refreshing, as a melanated Vampy/Industrial Goth type aesthetically, and subculture participant in both, as I make music and have children who lean more Emo than Goth, specifically. The unfortunate thing is that many popular descriptions of Goth or Emo Culture make no mentions of ANY POC contributors, participants of the subculture, nor our aesthetic. And for clarity, I'm 43, and have been called an Elder Goth by a few I've met. I've been on the Goth scene since the age of 14, and I've yet to see anyone acknowledge Melanated Goths so vocally. WE DO EXIST! I recognize that we only know what we know, until we learn more. I do hope you'll consider an update after viewing Gothistorian's book/website/info. Rock on, pplz! 🤘🏽✨✨
I came because of that one South Park episode
SAME IM TRYING TO FIND IT
@@D1MONDZ if you're looking for the first episode the goth kids were in, it's S07E14 "Raisins" Such a good episode! (both the goth kids and Butters' story lines) It doesn't fit me currently, but I have a shirt that has the goth kids and Stan and says his quote "what's the point in caring if all it brings is pain." Of course I would wear that when I was depressed lol
Yeah same here 🙂 That's a great episode. It's very funny an witty on how it shows how Goth, emo an Vamp kids are kinda different but they all dress the same in black an the very funny an clever joke of how Stan was told, that to be a free thinking individual like the goths, to be free an creative that Stan had to act an dress like them, that jokes very witty an funny, it explains about how not to follow any trend or group but rather to actually be your own free thinking individual, to think for yourself an be yourself that your not actually labelled as anything, it means just be you. Just be yourself.
I'm a mix of both. Even though I knew all of this already I just love watching and reading up on it regularly and reading comments. Your art is amazing btw.
Emo doesn’t have a look, anyone who thinks that is only a Scene who likes Emo music. It’s a music based subculture, and doesn’t have a dress code, cause it’s from punk which doesn’t have a dress code. Most kids who dress like that are posers who think stuff like Green Day counts as Emo, just a heads up.
In that case I'm kind of this weird hybrid of Emo and Goth. Although specifically I've been more into Visual Kei, specifically Malice Mizer and Kamijo. But also Candy Spooky Theatre is kind of a guilty pleasure. I found them when I wanted to see how Visual Kei interpreted Cabaret, sense here in US we have Dark Cabaret.
I do sometimes get lumped in with Black Metal. But other than the long hair, I don't really see the resemblance. I would have hair more like my illustration, but I don't really have the hair type for it. I was trying to imagine what a specific subset of Gothic Hippy might be like.
Color palette is a bit complicated, as I used to mainly use baby blue, monocromatic grey, nordic green, and red. Combining red and lime green would give you a shade of blond hair. And sometimes I'm not against using lighter shades of suede.
I’m so glad that you people have a harder time defining emo in ideology and style. Less predictable and stereotypical. Emo embraces a melancholy in life philosophy, the human state etc. It’s more poetic and abstract. IMO. All of those categories not necessary, music, style and ideology. People are dying to either box you in or to fit into. Defies the whole purpose of emo in the first place. Again, IMO. Perhaps I’m describing something entirely different. Whatever.
Bela Lugosi's Dead was released in 1979
What about the e-girl and e-boy fashion and music scene? It has more revealing clothing, shaved heads, polo shirts, chinos, ear stretchers and slaps both goth and emo subcultures together. It also branches out into metal and hip hop, something that became a thing in 2006 and made someone like me interested at the grand old age of 15.
Tbh Goth is 80s Gen X stuff from my parents' day and Emo is 21st century social media subculture for Millennials and zoomers. Emo is more street and normie in its appearance, with more worn out clothes compared to Goth's more polished, edgy and dark aesthetic. Old school emo fashion was, well, normal looking. 3rd wave emo was sort of a glam rock/goth fashion revival. Great video.
They're just bringing some aesthetics of those two subcultures back, no real relation in my opinion. Also, goth was still very much alive in millennial days.
@@Lilliathi Goth is very much alive TODAY. We have five Goth clubs in my city, and there are more new Goths bands today than there were in the 80s and 90s. Twin Tribes, Forever Grey, The Ghost of Bela Lugosi, Lebanon Hanover, SRSQ, Boy Harsher, Rosegarden Funeral Party, Male Tears, Actors, Scary Black, DARK, and many more. Even The Cure, Pet Shop Boys and Depeche Mode have new albums out and have been touring. The Goth scene is huge. I am a DJ.
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I dunno, feels like a nostalgia rehash to me.
the late 1900s... kills me
Yeah - I suppose that means 1908 or 1909...
Mephisto waltz is a song from the band, mephisto walz
Gee...Just realised I misspelt the band's name in the vid. Thanks for bringing this up 🖤
I'm an artist who doesn't know if their favourite character is a goth or emo. This video helped me understand between a lot better, thank you so much 🖤🖤🖤
Thank you for shouting out The Birthday Massacre! Love that band to death.
Goth: Nancy from the Craft, Dr. Fankinfurther, Robert Smith, Siouxsie Sue, etc. Emo: Gerard Way, Davy Vanity, and most of the people I hung out with in high school. Basically, I was an Emo first. I was Emo as a teenager and high school, and then I got into the goth scene in college because a friend introduced me to the music. I fell in love with the music and I am not looking back.
Goth music - The Cure, Bauhaus, Rosetta Stone, etc.
Emo music - My Chemical Romance, Blink-182, Bullet For My Valentine, etc.
(I hate Emo music)
Type O negative was Goth metal. Pure goth was Sisters of Mercy.
That’s Pop Emo, Emotional Hardcore would be a better comparison
@@imago9059 exactly! type o negative is widely considered a band thats well known in the goth community, but its really gothic metal. sisters of mercy, esoecially the first album, is anout the most goth sound i can think of lmao
Type O Negative are not Goth, poser.
@@thiscorrosion3843 type o negative is gothic metal. and no one likes the goth police cmon man, goths shouldn't call people posers
The only thing that we could probably compare both too with actually in the smallest way possible is that they both came from a music scene and then slowly drifted away from just in styles alone now with subverted music etc.
Then again some have tried to bring things back to it's roots mainly.
I tend to lean more towards emo music, I think, though I do listen to lot of different kinds of rock and folk music, but in almost every other way, I am a mix of both subcultures. Especially in terms of fashion.
Also...I'm a Goth but had a GF who was Emo. I learnt from her and the documentaries on Emo she showed me that it was about being emotional and melodramatic, I really hated that part of the subculture. To give her credit she was honest enough to admit that Emo music and fashion is a bit more mainstream.
My old band played psychedelic space rock.
Besides the doors, Pink Floyd & cream our main influences were, siouxsie and the banshees, the cure, sisters of mercy, the mission uk, joy division, new order, U2, tool, portishead,& depesche mode
I was a former goth industrial and now I identify as more emo goth. "When one has an identity, one has a chance to become a part of something bigger than himself." - BAUHAUS Post-script: Henrietta from South Park once said, "No one understands us." If I could talk with Henrietta for 45 minutes over coffee, then I would not say a word. I would listen.
My chemical romance's 1st album, i brought you my bullets you brought me your love (shortended to "Bullets" is pretty raw tho
3:57 MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE MENTIONED
The music I listen to is definitely more emo but man, my style is like somewhere in between, idk, like, I feel that makes it more personal in a way, rather then just dressing emo or dressing goth, cause I dress in a way to express myself and enjoy that, idk maybe I’m just weird
As an elder emo (I'm in my 30s), I started out attracted by the goth style of the spectrum, as a kid I really liked horror and gothic themes pretty early on, and this was prior the 00s emo resurgence so goth was the closest darkest subculture to recognize with, but in my teens and early 20s, I strongly gravitated into emo music, ergo, style, but kept goth style items like lace and corsets. So I think is pretty natural to gravitate towards both. Imagine my pleasure when dark academia came into the style scene and now I could also have the bookish style of my nerdy/academic self reflected on an aesthetic (it also makes a good office style!) xD. You´re not alone.
Something I've noticed in a couple of your vids so far is how you say these subcultures are music based and you have to listen to the music to consider yourself so... but you can wear the fashion and not be within the subcultures... doesn't that make someone a poser ? Why not embrace the culture if you're gonna dress like people within it ? Isn't that why we dress the way we do ? To connect with others like us since we're hard to find as is ? I can understand not neccesarily dressing a certain way and listening to the music as a valid way to "abel" yourself as such but not the other way around... it just gives fake.
10:42 Johnny Guilbert though
Could've just played the clip of the Goth kids from South Park explaining the difference 😂
I'm emo I have been since I was 15 (2019) I'm now 22
Subcultures from the late nineteenhundreds???
I like both. I'm more into emo music, but I like some goth music too. However, when it comes to fashion, I prefer gothic. When it comes to music, I prefer emo. Like gothics, I also appreciate the darkness and see beauty in it and like emos I love emotional expression in clothing and lyrics. Despite all this, I don't have a specific way of dressing. I may dress gothic, pastel goth, cosplay, dress in fandom, or dress frilly and cutsie. I have a large range and I love to surprise. My fashions don't really tell my music unless I'm wearing a shirt of it.
"oh my god emo's are such wannabe conformists"
Edgar Allen Poe
I'm surprised, "I Put A Spell On You" by Screaming Jay Hawkins, wasn't held up as an example of Goth music.
Lol I'm so glad there's a whole 6,000 pages on this shit, because some ppl need it lol
what's a Goth/Emo Hybrid?
i was born goth i was born the same year goth if goth was born in 1982 and i was born in 1982 so i was born goth
Some are born goth, some achieve gothness and a few have gothness thrust upon them.
Haters gonna hate... I actually have no problems with goths or emos, in truth I dig both their styles but more importantly is the that they're unique with the style both sides bring to the world keeps things interesting.
Goths rule 🖤 Goths are blasee while emos are looking for attention. Goths don't want to be seen or bothered. Emos. Seek to be seen. Btw The Doors were not goth.
I think there's a weird correlation between these two subcultures cause emotional hardcore/post- hardcore/pop punk music and gothic rock/darkwave music wouldn't exist if post-punk wasn't a thing. It's like both subcultures derive from the same place if you think about it. I love all these genres and listen to a ton of artists, however my fashion style is more like "2014 tumblr grunge" than emo or goth.
Goth girls: female
Emo girls: female?
Nice... thx for this. 🎉
I’m just a Goth kid that would do an emo phase so I have a lot of pop punk and Goth memorabilia
Perfect video 🖤🫀
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@kjrasaAs always ♥
This video is very helpful. I'm a goth who likes both emo and goth music. 🖤🦇
I'm not even goth, but i do listen to tons of gothic rock and proto goth. I love this subculture though
Years old
So i am neither of them I'm just moody and like the color black.
saspairia though 😫
Love them emos
Thank you because I can show this to most normies who ask or say such ridiculous things now.
So their different but their coming from the same place! Goth and Emo are not that different!!! Most people that were emo ended up becoming goth or metal heads over time or they stop dressing in those styles completely. At least that what I have seen. Like I said it's not so different from the other.
Goths want to be left alone to be alone or with like-minded others.
Emo's want to be right up in your face w/ their Emo-ness. In my experience. Such a lame conformist movement.
So basically the South Park explanation then: Goths are nihilistic and Emos are cynical.
Don't be beastly to emos - you only encourage them!
I hate when people mix these up, they look different to me lol
It's mostly a generational thing I think. Obviously since Goth was first, it influenced emo...so you could say emo is a sub-branch of Goth.
I listen to post punk but I'm dressed in emo.
I'm a young emo girl is 11/2
I'm totally an emo
i honestly got here because of a south park video
I always wonder where the 80s / 90s band '' The Jesus an Mary Chain '' stand now between the 2 subcultures. 🤔
Still neglecting the legacy of Screaming Jay Hawkins
why don't you do geek & nerd next? jk. or should it be 'nerd & geek'? lol
11/2
So Avril Lavigne is emo🤔
Pop Punk, Emo doesn’t have a dress code
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So.....Gothic Subculture can be traced back as far as 1967!? 🤨 Someone needs to record Gothic Industrial versions of songs by The Doors and Velvet Underground.....it has to happen!
I'm sorry. Do ppl actually give af?
If so, that's absolutely fascinating
I am a Emo-Goth
I love Gerard Way
Both crave attention.
Oh s*** here we go again posers, the emo and goth subculture a different about the music and fashion taste will Goth also put emotion in it but it's also relaxing what the other hand emo is something different more Gitarre riffs harsh.
... Im a mess lmao Im literally everything on both sides 😂 oml
Gothmo?
I always consider emo as glamgoth.
yeah, I was so EMO. Now I'm an elder emo who looks almost like any millenial out there but in black xD xoXO rawr! ;)
Everything I know about them is from South Park
1900s.... You said it that way just to hurt people. 😢
South park took me here 😂😂
Excuse me!?! The late 1900s!?😅😅
1908 - a key year in the subculture, i think you'll find!
To me goth n emo r just aesthetics like eboy n stuff^^
OK no emo came un 2003 to 2004 emotional hard was not a thing in the 80s thrash was thing emoshinal hard core came in 2006 arund the time when most skaters parks were destroyed by polititions & big curupted business it's still happening in 2024
Real goths invade Rome
Thank you for the video you did a nice job on it 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Personally I think if Goths back in the day would have helped so-called baby bats better. By stopping all of the elitism & gatekeeping we wouldn't have so many different subcultures as we do now.
What do you mean by gatekeeping?
@@truffeltroll6668 Well before the internet became widely available in the early & mid 90s you actually had to find & research bands across the country & world in magazines, books or listening to the radio. Ignorant people in the goth scene back then used to hold information over people's heads. Then made fun of them for not knowing the band they found last week just to feel somewhat superior. Personally I never did that I liked helping people get into the subculture however I did take pleasure in making fun of those elitist & gatekeepers.
@@-RONNIE what the fuck.
Thank god we have the internet for that.
It's really easy to know what's goth and what isn't today
@@truffeltroll6668 Yeah it's so easier for people after the mid 90s to get information now days they take it for granted. I don't know if you know this other CZcamsr Angela Benedict - she has a whole a lot of videos on this subject.
@@aaof-d-mio-fv2fb It doesn't matter what people, groups or subcultures whatever you want to call it - everybody imitates everyone or someone to a point that's how things evolve later
Emo in 2010s
same sht
Can only understand 50% of what you are saying. You need to work on pronunciation and projection.
I don't know, I understood everything she said. I think her english is very good.
I love her accent. It's unusual - I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone speak like that - but I understood it all without any problem, maybe because in London we're surrounded by the accents of every nationality in the world. But you can always replay or slow down if it's unclear.