I Hate That I Love The Hummer EV
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- čas přidán 14. 04. 2022
- The 2022 GMC Hummer EV is here to dominate, both on road and off.
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Deep diving into the Hummer EV; a vehicle I’m not sure I’ve ever had such conflicting thoughts about. On one hand, it’s a brilliant vehicle, wildly capable off-road, and genuinely feels like it has the ability to embarrass both the Ford Raptor and Ram TRX in any scenario, but on the other hand, it appeared on the cover of Time Magazine with a quote about “engineering a greener future.”
There are three 250 kW electric motors, which combined give you 1,000 horsepower and 1200 lb-ft of torque. So despite weighing over 9,000 lbs, GM claims it’ll reach 60 miles per hour in just 3 seconds. Now, allowing those three electric motors to provide an absurd launch is a massive battery pack; at over 2900 lbs, the battery pack alone weighs more than an entire Subaru BRZ. This battery has 205 kWh of energy available to use.
It’s not a gimmick, it’s really quick, and it’s really capable off-road. Plain and simple, it’s very impressive to drive. But it also feels like a colossal waste of resources, and considering it weighs nearly as much as all three of cars that I own combined, I sincerely hope I never meet one in a collision. But I like it. I mean, I do. Dang. Watch the video for all the details.
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Being the most inefficient EV keeps it true to Hummer tradition 😂
Gotta be ostentatious and rude 24/7
Can’t deny that but it’s insanely delicious
Absolutely
The car is literally a euphemism for blowjobs, I wouldn't expect any sort of propriety from an electric version.
Me if I ever get it.
Throw out all seats except the 2 in front.
Pulls out most body panels inside.
Removes big heavy radio and putting in a light normal face radio.
Tada more efficiently 🤣.
Jason doesn't pull any punches and gives a clear, honest, and interesting review. Came for the whiteboard, stayed for the hard hitting car reviews. Nice work man
Jason just keeps knocking it out the park. Was looking out for a whiteboard still 😄😄😅 this was such a brilliant review. 👏
Talk about how you will never own it? Shut down like a cheap “smart” phone? With EV you give up freedom.
did you know anyone could do his job?, those calculations, while appearing like magic to you, are all available online, and if you know basic algebraic equations can be figured out fairly simply. Just most "Car Guys" suck at math.
It was still a white board... He just drove this one! 🤣
Yeah it was like an engineer's version of RCR, I hope we get more of these!
Fun fact, in South Australia you would technically need Development Approval (similar to building a house) to park a vehicle of this weight on your property. The limit is 3 tonne.
Haha that's amazing! I love random facts like this especially from our weird little state...
Jason, you have a gift for dry humor, wit, and charismatic truth.
This is my new favorite video of yours!
I wonder if he's part British or something😅
I agree. Favorite line is "pretty fast for a bank vault" . Most fun AND informative.
A nine thousand pound vehicle, 0 to 60 three seconds. What could possibly go wrong
And I thought people crashing Tesla's that "only" weigh as much as an F150 while showing off were dangerous.... GM out did it by another truck. 😂
Welllll, three and a half anyway.
Offroad tires, rain, and road rage going to be a lot of $80k+ paper weights
I'm waiting for three of them to show up at a parking garage and park near eachother on the 2nd floor. Lets see if the buildings can handle a 20000 pound point load...
@@sssnake2332
Still a 3 second truck to 60. When people say they have a 10 second car. It doesn't mean 10 seconds flat. It could mean anywhere from 10 seconds flat to 10.99 seconds. Correcting someone over a half second is asinine.
I don't think I need to point out that you got one of the most informative channels about cars, but your humor added that little thing I didn't know was missing. Keep it up!
Thanks Matthijs!
This! Completely agree!
Agreed - always love the videos, but the dry/sarcastic humor really is a great addition!
@@EngineeringExplained I'd love to know how long that took to write, totally brilliant.
I have been watching him since trade school. a genuine resource and enjoyable to listen to
Rear wheel steering really is nuts. I've driven UTVs with it, a totally different driving dynamic.
can you describe how it feels versus normal? curious
@@ralkiaput your RWD car in reverse and go full speed and do some turns
reminds me of the LFA in that they threw a lot of tech and engineering in it to prove a point, respectively on different ways. Like a proof of concept to the world. Excited what the next 10 years will look like for Hummer and GM EV!
My biggest concern with all of these super heavy EVs is their kinetic energy in a crash. When everyone has supercar performance without the skill to use it, in something that weights nearly five tons, the roads just feel less safe.
Not gonna lie, I hadn’t considered this. Terrifying to think that my wife and kids in a sedan could ever be in a crash with a behemoth like this. I guess the solution is getting one ;)
@@nyalsewell Looking at the weight there's definitely been bigger vehicles in your daily drive. I don't know if its just me but I see many utility truck, semitrucks, and duallies. Ram 3500 dually weight ~11,000.
@@nyalsewell It's my biggest issue with these crazy 0-60 numbers now. EVs aside, ICE vehicles have gotten faster and faster. In the 80s, 10-15s 0-60 was 'normal'. Now, even 'anemic' crossovers like Rav4/CRV etc. have 0-60s in the 8s range. It just gets faster from there. With EVs, the instant torque and sub 5s 0-60s is sure fun, but imagine an old person accidentally flooring it (which they do all the time - mistaken pedal). Yikes.
@@HydraliskX yea the old people be mowing down the whole mall by accident not just a shop window in the future...
Not just in a crash, but around any corner with significant speed. When he said it was ready for baja racing @9:55 I thought "as long as there's no curves!" That much weight is going to start understeering at a much lower speed than other cars, quite likely below highway speeds. You can't completely escape physics no matter how tricks you use.
for anything that heavy, any 0-60 time that's not best described as "any day now", is insane
...especially if it still has tires afterward.
The crappy part is that despite the massive battery the range isn't great. Weight reduction would be welcome.
@@cwx8
It's not just the weight, more like the aerodynamics of a brick.
@@andrasbiro3007 but mostly it's the weight. Lol
Yeah, and super dangerous.
I'm not a Hummer fan, but amazing what they can do in 3 years and yet the "Production Ready" Cybertruck is kept together with packing tape.
I love how people forget that GMC had “quadasteer” 20 years ago and it never took off. 4 wheel steering in a everyday car is not a good idea. Just the amount of extra parts to make it all work, now think about the maintenance.
It's simpler to do in an EV though. The front never needs maintenance based on steering, so the rear shouldn't either. When the vehicle is this big, having it just for parking at the store is a huge feature. Silverado EV and Cybertruck will also have it.
@@Josh-179 I'm not sure about never needs maintenance. Rarely maybe, but tie rod ends still wear out eventually, especially when they're turning 35s with 9,000lbs pushing down on the pavement.
Japanese companies were doing that with their sports cars in the '90s
@@RhodokTribesman lmao Honda prelude moment
Reminds me of the line for the original humvee, "if you get it stuck, you'll probably need a helicopter to get it out" or something like that.
Your buddies old Suzuki Samurai sure isn't winching you out. Lol
Most helicopters probably aren't getting you out either
@@Daweim0 yeah, I picture a Chinook lifting it out.
I remember
Another HummerEV cannot tow your HummerEV back home since its towing capacity is only 7500 lbs.
Awesome review! The way you balanced the contradictions, downsides, achievement, purpose and awesomeness of this vehicle was masterful. To want it and to have misgivings about it, to appreciate the innovation and it's importance for the future while also recognizing it's total lack of efficiency and practicality today, really thoughtful piece, thank you!
Backing a huge battery into the ocean. What could possibly go wrong??!
This is a wonderful video, thank you Jason!! I too also hate the fact I like this thing but like he said, it’s the furthest thing from efficient we can get. Long live Hummer jokes!!!
I am not a huge ev fan, mainly because of governments trying to force untested and unfinished cars on people. But I can't hate this thing. It's awesome tech, even though not exactly green with that 1.3 tons of battery.
Cut the battery in half, throw in a small 2 or 3l diesel as a range extender, and you got the perfect vehicle for long trips where charging is limited.
It’s so ludicrous the stuff governments are pedaling. I’d love to trade my car for an EV that’s ~30k with at least 200 miles of range. All EVs are sold out or ridiculously expensive.
It’s totally cool to like this even if it’s not the most economical choice. I think it shows great progress for the Hummer brand because I definitely want one now
GM scientist were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop think whether or not they should
This comment should have more likes.
Clever girl
Nah, people get paid big bucks to decide if they should lol
Love Jurassic Park.
are you related to Nate?
Every time I see an underbody shot I feel sorry for the suspension and braking parts, no matter how beefy they are.
2200lbs at each corner. Ooof!
I’m just waiting for the recalls to come out lol
One good thing is the physical brakes don't have to do much work with regen
@@kbproductions8387 Y’all so mad 😂
Don't worry. GM will do what they did with the Chevys vs. the Buicks/Oldsmobiles back in the muscle car days and make the play tolerance higher for these vehicles than any other, therefore avoiding warranty claims.
Ty for the content! Love your stuff.
No joke when estimating charge time on a 150kw charger. My m3 power curve on a 150kw charger rarely peaks above 138kw and only holds that from~ 10%-30% I think 35 min got me 15%-80% today on a trip for 150kw stall
One thing that is extremely important to note in the "green" comparison factor of the Hummer vs traditional ICE engines is how many times more emission is created during the initial manufacturing process of batteries vs ICE engines. This is the EV dirty little secret, and with a a battery pack that can power a small city I imagine the environmental impact in manufacturing is ENORMOUS. It is also important to note the fact that this large impact is paid at INCEPTION. In the real world there are many cases where the benefits of the EV are not actually able to be reaped. For example many Hummers were crashed during crash and safety rating tests, although they may have gone on to drive 200,000 miles and maybe would have been better for the environment over the long term a significant % of EV simply do not reach this point, and given that most of the impact on the environment is at inception during the manufacturing process these cases are essentially losses.
He has talked about that in his other videos and I imagine he used that in his calculations. Go watch some of his other vids
1. Separate the Hummer from other EVs. A real EV is far cleaner than an ICE car, if you take everything into account. Battery manufacturing is nowhere near as dirty as it used to be, and it will just keep getting cleaner. Most of the emission comes from the electricity that is used in the factory, and that can easily come from renewables.
2. Only a tiny percentage of the cars are used for crash tests, it doesn't have a meaningful impact on the overall emissions.
3. The battery can be recycled, almost 100% of it. Oil not so much.
Calling the electric hummer green is like saying "I punched you in the face, you can't complain because it hurts less than a kick in the ball"
Yes, the hummer is more eco friendly than an equivalent pickup truck. But that doesn't make it a "green vehicle"
It's twice the weight of an F-150 so that's not a slam dunk.
over 5-10 years of ownership itll be a lot more green than even a say corolla id imagine
Would love to see a mini-Hummer with 100kW at half the size for true offroading capabilties.
Chevy should just bring back the 2dr blazer as an ev to combat the Broncos. 😎👍🏻
Here is the sad problem about Electric off-roaders: They are so inherently capable, BUT the really fun places to explore are just too far from chargers unless you have like a 500-mile range. Dirt roads cut your mileage by at least half. And even now as is, there are still big chunks of Nevada that I can't even access on paved roads with my standard range Tesla 3 because there are no chargers
@@SlackActionBumble Dirt roads do cut range, but at low speeds EV's can go incredible ranges. Take a low range EV that is rated at 82 Miles. It can go 140 miles driving on flat ground at 25 mpg. That's almost 75% range increase and serious jeep trails are more like 5 mph.
The most popular jeep trail in Washington State is the Naches Trail and is only 13 miles. So starting in Puyallup, up and over the cascades and ending in Yakima (DC fast charges at both ends) would be 80 miles. A Jeep capable EV can do that easy with some charge time.
If there was a fast charger in Greenwater, the trip would only be 35 Miles.
@@JeremyWinter 25mpg? 25mph?
@@JeremyWinter on my unicycle i can get 16 miles at 25mph. but over 30 if i drop to like 15. the bigger unicycles would get 150 miles probably
Your review is so on point. Technical achievement and resources that this vehicle takes are two ways of looking at this vehicle that is hard to consider at once, but your video draws the attention to two in a cohesive way. Kudos!
Jason, I am so glad you found your way to teaching the rest of us so brilliantly, please keep up the good work.
I saw a posting that someone picking up the first Hummer from a California dealer had to pay $50.000 over MSRP. "What?" shouts the prospective buyer. "Don't want to pay that? OK, we will sell it to the second guy in line". It's a cool truck, but $50K to be an early adopter?
that's insane and unethical. Dealerships are digging their grave.
Dealers gonna dealer, happens with all the popular models (and is very gross). But also, why would someone pay that? Don't pay over MSRP!
@@EngineeringExplained I am very likely getting an ID 4. I would prefer and could pay for an Ioniq 5, but the Hyundai dealership is adding 5 thousand to the price; which I am not going to pay. I can tell you from direct personal experience that they are literally driving customers away.
@@getoffamylan6844 with the lack of supply right now dealer margins have doubled since the start of covid. Pre pandemic I got $15k off MSRP on my new truck. Last fall I got $4k off MSRP. I also got 10k more for my trade than previously so in the end my net was similar to before but the dealer cashed an extra 11k our of the deal
Same for the golf R. 10k over MSRP. What surprises me is not the dealer strategy, but the silent complicity of the car manufactures
"I'm confident you'll learn thing here you haven't heard anywhere else"
Yes I feel that way about EVERY VIDEO keep em coming.
Indeed, I learned that elephants are fairly light relative to Hummer EVs.
These videos are all great and so much more detailed/ interesting than most car reviews. Great work.
As always, an excellent technical breakdown in a logical order with most clarity and fullness of any channel
The thing that drives me crazy, no one talks about the range while towing, a thing lots of people with trucks do.
It's sort of impossible to do. Every trailer is different.
If you tow a flat front trailer or a camper, I'd expect up to 50% less range. A flat landscaping trailer won't be nearly as bad.
Also, since it's already 9,000lbs, most everyday trailers won't be nearly as big of a range cut as they would be for a lighter, more efficient vehicle. If someone is towing stuff around for work or every weekend, I'd probably still look at ICE trucks.
I also worry about charging while towing. I've never seen a pull through charging station. So you're going to have to unhook your trailer and park in the charging stall for an hour or so to get charged up. What a pain.
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This might be the best car review there's ever been. We love our previous earth, but we also love sick trucks and sand dunes. Being a car enthusiast and seeing our planet rapidly deteriorating is heartbreaking
Here here!
Which part is rapidly deteriorating? Is it the air you breathe or you talking about trash pollution which is totally different
@@hyperwebbing All of the above plus pollution of our rivers and streams, and deforestation not being managed properly in many countries. Hydro electric plants are by far our cleanest renewable source of steady energy.
Calm down. The earth is in a much much better shape than you are made to believe.
@@manoman0 Really? Have you checked out every square inch of the planet? Oh, you have been busy. ;-)
Would be cool if it could accept dual chargers
8 chargers.
@@BigEightiesNewWave sure!
I always enjoy your honesty and the subtle sarcasim , i appreciate your factual and highly educated presentations [ not opinionated ] I hope they find a way to keep vehicles affordable or find a way to make them last long enough so they are justifiable for what they will cost , I personally am not a fan of EV's , but I think in the end they are more sustainable , as long as we can figure out where all this cheap ,clean electricity will come from ? , for those out there who don't like the idea of driving an EV remember at first people weren't sure what to think of a horseless carriage , unleaded gas , raidial tires , japanesse cars , anything but a V-8 engine, the list of things we used bauk about is endless , yet in spite of our fears ,we're still getting around ,cars still exsist [ no jetsons rovers "YET" ] , I like alot of the features the Hummer ET present , does the average every day commuter need all of these ?probably not , but I myself am a truck Guy and this vehicle , although it's not in my price range gives me hope of what the future has in store for us.
It was really easy to hate the H2 and H3... but this thing is SO much better.
Well it's still easy to hate this thing. It's hugely wasteful and no-one really needs one. It's a car for posers. It does have some cool tech but all that cool stuff is packaged into something that shouldn't exist. The entire point of EVs is that they should be efficient and thus better for the environment.
@@Kepe Theres a lot of things in the world that shouldn’t exist for various reasons, like TikTok or Metaverse. But there’s a market for anything and everything. Imagine if the world only offered basic human needs and nothing else? Would be one helluva boring life
@@theninethrees8044 Yeah but there is a line between what is reasonable and what is excessive. There's nothing reasonable about that Hummer.
People are so self-centered these days, thinking they should be allowed to do whatever they want if they happen to enjoy it or could gain money from it, no matter how much it pollutes or destroys the environment.
Yes, people need to be able to travel from place to place, but you don't need a huge monster of a vehicle for that. Driving around aimlessly or otherwise just for fun is one of those completely unnecessary activities that are very bad for the environment and ppl could do something else instead. Like going hiking in the nature instead of destroying it with their trucks. That would also benefit their health.
I'm not even any kind of a hippie or some other nature activist or whatever, but I've just become really disgusted by how much resources humans waste on completely unnecessary stuff.
@@Kepe While I get what you’re trying to say, unfortunately everything that makes the world go around hurts the environment one way or another. Even electric cars damage the environment
@@Kepe Get off your high horse, you sound miserable. I can bet you own a lot of things that can be considered useless or excessive in someone else's eyes. Mind your own business, and drive your prius. No need to poop on other people's parade. The world is big with an abundance of resources. Scarcity mentality really stinks.
In the UK, you need a special license to drive a vehicle over 3.5 imperial tons (8000 LBs), so a good 70% of people wouldn't even be legally allowed to drive that thing over here
Same in EU (and compatible) countries.
It would be great to know the vehicle emissions and including the manufacturing and mining effects too not just the driving/charging. Are the batteries really going last for 200,000 miles? What happens to the batteries after they are used? (Not just this truck but all vehicles)
such a good question.
THEY WILL NEVER WANT TO GO INTO DETAILS ABOUT BATTERIES- THE MANUFACTURE AND MINE FOR THE BATTERY IS HUMONGOUS
When batteries are no longer fit for EV use (usually 80-70% of original capacity, usually between 250,000 to 500,000 miles), they get used to grid storage. Once those batteries are no longer capable of holding a charge in grid storage, they get recycled. A company called Redstone Materials is actively recycling EV batteries. A study found that a recycled EV battery (where its broken down into its component materials before being made into a new battery) is actually superior to the original battery it came from.
EV ARE NOT AS GREEN AS U THINK
Also the difficulty in disposing of these batteries at end-of-life is rarely discussed.
I just watched your Compression Ratio video from ten years ago. You've come a long way man.
Great review! I would love to hear your opinion on the F150 Lightning as well.
This was wildly entertaining. But highly informative. I would like to see more with the Audi e Tron and many more of these "luxury" EVs
Dude...your sarcasm and wittiness in this video was top rate. Well played, sir. That said, top notch, honest review! Thanks for the hard work you put into your reviews, seriously!
Great review with solid details on the car, good and bad items and very well slipped in humor without trying. Great one!
$100K seems like a bargain for this, actually.
Same as a Tesla with half the battery size and few creature comforts.
You know, that's a decent way of putting it! Considering how much battery you're getting, not a terrible price.
Cheaper for this monster when adjusted for inflation than the og h1 was. 😀
@@4literv6 how much the H1 was back then?
@@luizbruno2010 1992 H1 MSRP around 52k or about 110k today.
@@EngineeringExplained You should do a similar cost analysis on just the batteries for the Hummer in the same way you did for the F-150 Lightning.
With it being 9,000 pounds, not enough is discussed about its suspension integrity and tires. What's the expected life out of those?
Air suspension... so the expected life is about 5 years before a $14,000 "suspension service"... Hahaha
about 130k km or 300 yards
Its weird that you think this is the first vehicle that weighs 9,000 lbs and that tire manufacturers havent created products that can handle far more weight and abuse.....namely semi's, performance vehicles, and even large airplanes. Tires are not an issue.
@@yellowsnowman9157 yeah what an odd question
tires on 1 ton pickups which weigh a similar amount, last about 40k miles on average. You could expect similar results this depending on what tire they have on it and how hard you drive it.
Your driving along in your high output tuned and tweaked whatevermobile, pull up to red light and stop. Due to the enormity of it, from a few hundred meters away you cant help but notice the EV Hummer (im going with Vummer) is going to be your competition when the light goes green. The only question remaining is if, in fact, that Vummer driver will reciprocate your desire to light the fires and burn the tires...
Without 100% confirmation that the driver is down to race, you mentally prepare and grip the wheel waiting for the change.
As the cross traffic light goes yellow you get that tingly, excited feeling and build revs preparing to drop the clutch for a perfect launch. Its at this point you see out of the corner your eye, the Vummer suddenly drops 2 inches in the front while the driver then changes to both hands now gripping the wheel in the proper position to try and get a handle on the tidal wave of torque that is about to be unleashed thanks to launch control.
Steady now, dont false start...THE LIGHT GOES GREEN ANDDD....
Next thing you know the Vummer is on top of your car somehow, crushing you and your vehicle beneth its gargantuan weight. It all happened so fast, you had no time at all to react. As your consiousness slowly fades away, one of your last, fleeting thoughts is "why did crab mode activation have to be right next to launch control activation?"
I saw one of these for the first time today. I thought it was gonna hit me head-on. Apparently the driver thought it's so big they need to drive 4 ft away from the curb. *sigh*
They are getting out hand on all the tech stuff on cars nowadays
If you manage to get this or the R1T stuck somewhere, you probably need a CH-47 Chinook.
you would probably need a couple 1 ton pickups to pull it out if you did bury it.
Running out of battery seems more realistic. Not sure where you guys offroad but in Canada most of these areas a few a solid few hours outside of major urban centres. Most get around this with Jerry cans.
@@cwx8 trail heads might need level 3 chargers. Banff or Jasper townsites are very close to the mountains.
@@bradweinberger6907 there's no offroading in Banff or Jasper. Think porcupine, McLean, ghost
Great video! It is really nice to see the GMC Hummer EV. The more styles of EVs there are, the more everyone is going to want them.
The hummer is an incredibly amazing vehicle, it amazes me even more that they managed to capture the spirit of a hummer. It's hard to put my feelings into words but I absolutely love this truck and can't wait to get my hummer in 2024.
Jason, I think you''re perfectly encaptulating a big problem that we as human beings are struggling with right now. This thing could be viewed as irresponsible, outrageous, unnecessary, wasteful... On one hand I'm sadened it exists, because it reminds me of the dire situation our planet is in. But on the other hand, there's not a single vehicle on the entire planet or that has ever existed THAT I'VE EVER WANTED MORE. My goodness, look at it. This is an engineering marvel. And yet, in 15 years, I'm sure it'll look primitive to whatever else will exist. And still I know I will be thinking about it and freaking out every time I see one on the road....
Is there a line that needs to be drawn, or is there a way we can sustain our selfish desire to create and experience such amazing machines? Is there a moral middleground that one day we will determine and enforce? Is this just the beginning of ridiculous, amazing technology or the end? No matter the outcome our futures have for us, I'm excited and hopeful we will make the right decisions, and still be making some awesome stuff.
Thank you Jason for everything you do!
It's tough to be a fan of cars, especially the fun ones, and also have a desire to make responsible decisions. Because this world's pretty rad.
Have them for rental in appropriate places. A big patch of wilderness camp grounds for this thing for example
relax bruh it ain't all that lmao. it's a hummer
In 15 years it'll look primitive, but at least maybe by then we'll actually be able to kind of sort of barely afford it
@@pixelfairy renting out $100k SUVs for random yahoos to go do technical off-roading with is a... Questionable... Business proposition
I hate that I liked a video about a truck you hate to love.
We must maintain Party approved allowable thinking about it
I liked and I loved this comment.
Thank you for an informative review. The Rivian looks interesting as well. Thank you also for stating that these vehicles are anything but ‘green’. Anyone who doubts it, should research ‘lithium mining’ and make sure to include pics. Sooner or later, a bunch of friends are going to be trying to figure out how to haul a 9,000lb brick out of the woods when one goes belly up (which anyone who actually off roads knows it’s not if, but when).
Finally! Someone who considers the TRUE environmental impact of EVs...i.e. what is the environmental impact when you consider all the mining and emissions needed to produce the battery packs that will last less than a decade? What about coal fired plants needed to make this electricity? ALL of these things need to be considered. VW published a study of identical cars - 1 ICE and 1 EV on the same chassis - and it took over 120,000 miles just to break even on pollution when considering manufacturing. And that didn't even include the upcoming environmental disasters waiting for us when all these battery packs start hitting landfills...
*My Honda Fit weighs 2500 pounds at the MAX, my only concerns is what happens when this 10000 pound hummer hits the back of a car that small at 80 mph?*
Well the result would be not good. But we have 18 wheelers and buses on the road now.
I would imagine one wouldn't need a casket? 🤔 Or maybe It would just drive right over you without a scratch.
What do you do when you see a semi truck on the road? Panic in fear? Jesus calm down.
Most one ton pickup trucks with any kind of load weigh this much or more. Semi trucks weigh 10 times as much, it’s only “heavy” compared to a regular sized car. But it’s certainly not outrageous compared to a one ton pickup. What is outrageous in that comparison is the performance of the Hummer!
Oh I'm sure it's no big deal I'd be more concerned with being hit by an 18-wheeler but you don't mention that ...some people man
This was an awesome initial look at the Hummer and I loved your Big Picture assessment that treats the vehicle for what it is. I really appreciated the 200,000-mile carbon costing, but I would love to know the total costs including embodied energy and the materials bound into such products. I don't expect this channel to tackle such a complex topic involving details that manufacturers won't even share, but a man can dream ;). I don't mind the Hummer EV so long as GM doesn't advertise it as Green; that's when I get upset.
he does that, at least to some degree, in another video that he discusses the 'total' environmental impact of an EV
Precisely. If you market it for what it is, fine. Honesty is good. But if you market it as green? Yeah. Problematic.
Not sure what the deal is in the US but in the UK we have the advertising standards agency. If you complained to them they would likely ban it or fine GM.
@@njipods I don’t think it will be sold outside of North America.
Jason, would love for you to do a video comparing EV’s and their battery packs, environmental impact, etc.
So compare the X, R1S and Hummer SUV. Based on the battery pack size, the impact to the environment upfront, then how many miles based on various power grids do you have to drive for it to be “green”. And what does that graph look like, how many more miles do you have to drive for the percent increase in battery pack size.
I love Jason and I love his videos, he's incredibly smart but this is something that always irks me when he talks about co2 emmissions, I´ve known about this issue since the beginning of EVs. I can direct you to an Environmentalist who did a TED talk and has actually ran the numbers. Basically a car like the Nissan Leaf would have to be driven aproximately 60,000 miles before it goes green, but a Tesla would have to go about 200,000 and an extended range tesla is closer to about 350,000. That is assuming the batteries were never changed. This truck while amazing and I want one, is in no way greener than a TRX which is basically a giant middle finger to the environment itself, (I also want one, but not as a daily, I´d daily the Hummer)
Good lord your videos do such a good job of being informative while hilarious, and relatively un-biased despite somehow seeming to stay on good terms with car companies?? Amazing.
Can you please do a video explaining how the GR Yaris and Corolla AWD works? Compare it to other AWD systems like in evos, wrx/STi, audi, etc
Hmm this is the first time I’ve ever been interested in a utility vehicle.. Most of my cars are around 2000lbs and anything over 3500 better have some serious power. But even though this weighs 9000 lbs who cars because it’s a hummer that won’t get a ton of hate for it’s bad mpg. I’m pretty impressed overall, I never thought something that heavy and un-aerodynamic would actually do 0-60 faster than the majority of sports cars today while using off-road tires. Pretty impressive.
well, its not so much about heavy or aerodynamics when you're doing a 0-60. its about your ability to put power down to move the thing. Which, of course, this does. in spades.
Great video! Thanks for presenting your conflict so clearly and meaningfully. Sounds like an awesome piece of kit, but...
great coverage Jason! your quips are getting better every day...revenge of the nerds!. I think a topic discussing major hurdles to more the 50% EV adoption would be good... how are apartment and condo dwellers supposed to make this work. I love my EV but its a square peg in a round hole to a lot of people...
Really cool vid, but there is literally 0 chance that that battery pack will last 200k miles, or at least anything over it, so you should factor in the environmental effect of recycling it (which is huge, since most of them just get dumped in land fills)
Can't recycle cathode and anode. Which is all we actually care about. And we haven't got into how we actually mine the materials. The frac industry is infinitely better for the environment.
@@benoitavril4806ok Tesla shareholder. Please explain how you plan to defy thermodynamics and recycle a cathode without new cathode.
🤣 That was funny.
@@cwx8 thats not a question about being tesla boys or not, HOW THE F*K A FREKIN 3.5 TON SUV CAN BE ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY? edit, iven if is EV , movin 3.5 tons uses more energy than movin 1.5 tons right?
extremely well presented and magnificently introduced - VERY cool, especially rear wheel contouring!
Surprisingly, this is the first EV that's peaked my interest, tho to be fair I've recently discussed w/ an old coworker how I'm no closer to actually buying/trying anything electric today, than I was 5 years ago. We've yet to even test drive any EV tbh
Dismissing an entire class of cars you've never test driven seems like an odd flex.
@@KevinLyda testament to their appeal/marketing maybe. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
if your interest is piqued, do that test drive. It doesn't have to be this model, you'll have a hard time finding an EV you truly hate.
@@jnawk83 I've been in a prius hybrid, I know what no engine sounds like. And I've had multiple sports cars, so I doubt a model 3 or w/e will handle better/sport-ier than a camaro or a Gti. Ironically I remember a good 10 years ago helping a friend's dad buy a pickup truck to discover, when we went in to get it, that he never test drove it. The irony is I'm basically at that stage now - I'd get the car for its merits, test drive isn't even on the checklist tbh
Great video. Sick truck. Looking forward to see how this pushes things forward for the OR community.
Press F for Jerry rig everything 😂
F, hope he appears.
An honest review...he likes it, even though it is bad! Very informative and I appreciate the regular content.
It is so cool, better than old hummers by far
The most shocking part of this is GM made something with wheel wells that can fit decent size tires. I'd love if they made an electric maverick-size competitor that could fit some decent tires.
Yeah but you put "decent sized tires" and your range will plummet.
@@bldontmatter5319 No more than your gas mileage would plummet. If the efficiency loss is a deal breaker for you then don't do it, same as an ICE
The difference being that the range basically doesn't matter in an internal combution vehicle where you can refill it in 5 minutes at any gas station.
@@wtfchazpwnt How many road trip videos does this channel have to make before you guys stop being scared of spending a few minutes charging?
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Honestly, I don't think that there is a number. It's a matter of frequency, charging networks are still in their infancy (unless you name is Telsa). Their would likely need to need to be a station on every corner before you stop hearing the complaints.
The EV element to this vehicle, to me at least, is secondary to the genius in the way it deals with the multitude of terrain situations and their extremes. Very cool stuff much in the same way I love the way Rivian has approached the pinnacle of all wheel drive capabilities with a motor at each wheel. The technology is the attraction and I think that, as battery tech makes gains on the useful range provided, the choice of power plant types between electric or internal combustion will become less of a factor (with the exception of very long range off-road adventuring) with electric becoming the preferred choice. No one loves the sound and feel of a ridiculously powerful IC V8 big block screaming it’s way through a long off-road run more than me. But the type of precision available with the new tech being brought into play with these extraordinary EV’s, I think the off-road community benefits more directly than any other segment with the ability to move about without the sound intrusion while delivering far greater power, control, and reliability. These off-road EV’s are simply genius.
My 52 yo Vw with 27 mpg = environmentally Superior to the hummer ev 😂😂
Realistically anything that lasts long is better for the environment than scrapping it and buying new.
@@cwx8 that’s not true and this channel has a video breaking that down
@@masonstark3699 I've commented on that as well. He is clinical and right on the "scope 1" impact but you haven't really thought about it. And you ignored my message. Waste is bad. Remember how we used to care about other pollution? Well that still exists. Getting an EV over a car that can be extended in its life is not better. I encourage you to investigate the impact of lithium mining as well.
I generally liked the video. Some great points. I would imagine the CO2 impact of the Hummer EV will vary depending on how clean the grid is in your area. One other note you mentioned that most charging sites with 350KW stations only have one stall. This is actually not true. Most Electrify America sites have two 350KW stalls. And the GM Ultium funded EVGo sites also have a minimum of two 350KW stations. All of the Electrify America stations are 350KW capable (even the 150KW ones) but they don't have the charging modules to deliver that power installed at this time (but are fully upgradable if the demand warrants). So this is not nearly as big of a deal as you indicate. There is another tricky dynamic with the Hummer EV. There are different vendors that make 350KW stations and they are rated differently. Some units are rated for 1000VDC at 350A max. Some are rated to deliver up to 500A max (maximum currently available through CCS). The Hummer EV needs 500A to hit it's peak charging rates. But some 350KW DCFC's peak out at 350A. So the Hummer EV will be limited to roughly 250KW at these sites. Note Hummer EV has a nominal pack voltage just under 700VDC. Fully discharged is close to 600V and fully charged is close to 800VDC (when DC charging with both packs in series).
I was wondering what charging speed would be required to get their claimed 100 miles in 10 mins, so attempted some maths. They claim a range of 350 miles on a full charge of the 200kWh battery, so 100 miles requires 57kWh to be added by the charger. If the charger was outputting 57kWh for 10 mins, it would give ~342 for the hour, so it seems that in ideal condiftions it can charge at around 350kWh. It'll be interesting to see how that works out in the real world.
Good points. I have driven across the country so many times I've actually forgot how many times I've done it. I do know this. I usually have to stop for gas about every 300-350 miles and when I do it's usually not a splash and dash but rather I'm getting out, walking around getting some food, etc. My general time for a fill up is around 20-30 minutes with a longer stay for food usually about a quarter of the way for an hour. I usually end up staying in a hotel midway (usually OKC or Amarillo) for some 6-8 hours of sleep. It would be interesting to see how it turns out but i would think given the range, a little careful driving, and averaging around the same times for charging if I can meet my average time of around 42 hours Washington DC to the SF bay area, but if I couldn't I doubt I would be that far off my average.
Look at the variety of ice cars (exterior and interior design, all the different options) there is something for everyone. If we want people to switch to EV we need a similar amount of options including some that are going to be inefficient but have a different set of capabilities. People that want big trucks with knobs buttons and switches aren't going to buy a small sedan with only a touchscreen. The closer an EV is to it's ice equivalent the more likely someone will switch and that's 1 less gas vehicle on the road polluting. Make what people want or they'll stick with gas.
Another aspect of the environmental impact: the manufacturing of an EV car -- especially the extraction of metals needed to make the batteries -- also causes significant environmental damage and emissions. Over the lifetime of ownership, a more efficient EV like a Tesla will make up for these production emissions compared to the gasoline alternative, resulting in a net-benefit to the environment. But the Hummer's battery is so ludicrously massive that I'm not sure you could ever make up for that... I guess I'd have to do that math to know for sure.
People are avoiding the fact that, while gratuitous, the GMC HUMMER EV is really just GM's EV engineers having fun. Many more, more practical EVs are on their way, based on the technology showcased in the HUMMER EV.
How’s the new marketing job going - If I worked there too could I have one?
@@PapaWheelie1 No. Only Tesla will pay you for online influencer marketing, but they don't pay well. They might even take your Roadster 2 away if you're naughty.
@@newscoulomb3705 Butthurt much?
@@boostav Hah! By what? If responding to a snarky comment with another snarky comment is being "butthurt" in your world, I feel for you, bud.
@@newscoulomb3705 You should have a laugh given he's right, what's the point of repeating the same exact thing that was clearly stated in the video?
4 Wheel steering. The rear wheels following in the track of the front wheels. That is the most impressive part of the vehicle for me. This is a very interesting test-bed vehicle and it will be interesting to see smaller trucks made with the proof-of-concept items on this monstrosity.
I feel like the Rivian is also very heavy, for comparison sake.
Cool video though!
Always fun to see what engineers are coming up with.
Interesting review. I am watching as many of these as I can to decide if I want to keep my SUV Edition1 reservation.
You know it's overweight when it needs 8 lug wheels :)
Well done, my banana eating friend. Great video!
Americans love excessive excess, so a 9,000 pound Hummer that takes up the space of 1.5 parking spots at Trader Joe’s fills the bill! (Those Hummer guys do shop at Trader Joe’s, right?)
A very limited run vehicle that provides a testing ground for new tech and (hopefully) will pave the way for much more reasonable (and greener) EVs to come can’t be all bad. I admit it, does look fun to drive. Thankfully, I lack the income to reasonably afford one, so there’s no real temptation there. Plus, no place to park that monstrosity.
I’m sure I would feel tiny if/when one ever pulls up next to me in my Model 3 at a stop light.
Glad you had fun riding around in the saguaro forest! And watch out for those banana peels - they’re slippery!
I shop at Traders
Good video. Next time you do a video on off road performance of EVs please talk about the down sides of multiple motors. ie when one of the rear tires of the hummer ev goes in the air you lose 1/3 of its torque. And since it barely have enough torque in that machine to get up a 45 it gets dicy when its bouncing on two wheels. Kinda funny that although it has great on road torque when it comes to max low speed wheel torque it has less than almost all 4wd trucks of the 21st century. My pretty lame 2005 2500 6.6 has three times the wheel torque in low range. (yes at take off not at redline)
I love your video as always, you did a fantastic job on this one. But I did have a weird question for you? I know you have all those references posted underneath explaining the new hummers emissions in comparison to other's and how its better compared to some but worse then others and I was wondering if you might be willing to make a video breaking the science down. For my self reading it is fine. But it would be nice if there was a video break down that I could show my parents and other family members. I love the way how you have describe it in other video's how its important that we work on pursuing all methods for creating energy. I'm a strong believer that life requires balance and its wonderful informing people the positives and negatives to both sides. A lot of the time I run into people who are one sided in these conversations and I end up leading them to your videos for a better understanding on just how far and amazing we have come in both directions, maybe even hydrogen XD. Anyways I would love to see a video break down on the hummer emissions vs gas and a further explanation on it. Thank you very much for the epic video as always and I hope your day goes great. Take care, cheers!
i used to work at GM, it felt like working with dinosaurs.. but something happened , i can't believe they pulled this off , what a masterpiece . they actually used all the potential they had , great work guys
Too expensive is what I’ve heard from some people. Yes i can see how a big amount of people can say that, but 1) it’s a electric vehicle which will cause a premium 2) it has a 1000 hp which causes a premium 3) it has nearly everything for off roading which causes a premium and 4) it’s a luxury vehicle on the inside from what I’ve seen. The hummer was never a vehicle for the penny pincher gmc just went balls out on it
For what you're getting, the price is fine. 2x the battery capacity of Model X, for less money.
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Dropping the comp wakeboard boat into the choppiest open ocean water ever haha that’s a great demo
great review. I wish we talked more about the amount of minerals being mined to create such a battery pack. What will be the impact on the power grid with even a 20% EV fleet? How will we dispose of batteries in the future. Will we put them in the ground? Will we ship them to China? Will we actually recycle the materials to make other batteries? These are questions nobody talks about.
Best video describing the Hummer EV by far.
I'd love to see an electrified hummer H3, similar styling, but much smaller and more practical just like the h3 was over the h2
Liking your new style, keep up the good work!
Best comprehensive video about the Hummer I've seen. Kudos.
Very cool.
I actually want one of these, if they didn't take so long to charge!
I wonder when battery tech will get to the point of being fully charged in 10 minutes regardless! That will be the day.
Well even if the battery could handle that strain you'd need a ~1,2MW charger. Now let's say you have 10 of these chargers beside each other. That means you need 12MW of power transfered to these chargers. That's a lot of energy!!
350KW chargers will be common in next 2-3 years. If you can buy today buy now, because just like Teslas it's waiting period and price can shoot.
@@GreenDriveIndia Yeah in Germany there are 350/300 kw chargers every 50 km so its not a big Problem. Probably wouldn't fit the road her tho
Batts nowadays are very fast charging.
Your usually never need 10mins charging 20 to 30 is fine for almost everybody. You probably need more 350kw chargers
@@GreenDriveIndia exactly. The people that got the unlimited supercharging with their Teslas got a great deal!
6 days to charge it at home lol can't wait til everyone has one of these hooked up to our failing electric grid
At that point, they would act as batteries for the grid, charge at night and discharge during the day, lol.
That Fast 5 reference was gold.
My favorite fact about this thing has to be that it popped wheelies from a stop until the engineers yanked the reins and dialed it back a couple notches. Or the fact that it weighs more than an F450 dually but will jump to 60 in 3 seconds...from the factory.
I feel that talking about the Hummer in terms of efficiency is like talking about the TRX in terms of towing. You're absolutely missing the point of these trucks, which is, gobs of power and lots of offroad tech at an elitist price. The one uses gas and the other batteries but that's an irrelevant detail for some, and for the others they want that massive throaty roar that you can't find anywhere else in any other car/truck. You find it funny that typical TRX guys might buy this and say "it's pretty cool for an EV", but that works two ways; some green snobs who will definitely buy this showing up their hypocrisy WRT to offroading and small appendages because having a snob vehicle like this actually IS cool.
I was hoping to see the conversation with the Hummer engineer.
I think you did see it! Hits drum. But you didn't hear it. ;) I don't like using audio from conversations because it keeps things casual; engineers don't have to put on their PR hat (or, as big of one).
This is an outstanding, insightful, thorough review.
Funny vid! I like the new format!
(but whiteboard is still cool too!)
1. There is nothing green about a vehicle that requires 120k of capital to purchase.
2. You'd be crazy to purchase a vehicle this sophisticated from a company that can't even get petrol vehicles right.
@6:13 I think it’s become common to trash drive modes but I find them useful. Changes steering ratio, throttle response, and fuel consumption and some do suspension too. I don’t think that’s a gimmick at all. I like the eco button on Hondas. Then if you wanna drive spirited, you have sport for what I listed above!
Isn't the main point of Honda's eco mode that it limits throttle application? I prefer being in normal mode and just not pressing the pedal all the way if it gives the same result.
I do agree with what you said about Hummer's drive modes - when it changes multiple settings without a deep menu dive it can be useful.
@@questioner1596 the transmission shifts earlier, hybrids increase regenerative braking, the AC compressor is dialed back, it does a few things.
On some cars it has some decent changes, on plenty of others it's very minor. By the way steering ratio is fixed, as it's a physical gear (unless the car is drive by wire). They'll increase/reduce assist so that it feels different. Eco mode often simply makes the throttle sluggish (and reduces HVAC intensity); if you floor it, you still get bad gas mileage. So those kinds of things seem a bit superficial to me. You can save more gas simply by altering your driving style.
@@EngineeringExplained As far most Eco driving modes I have encountered, I find the best personal use case for me has been dulling the throttle response to a smoother response curve when in heavy-ish traffic that inconsistently slows down and speeds up. It just makes quality of life just a bit easier on some highways and two lane roads that are grossly overburdened and with people occasionally distracting themselves and accelerating/braking in wildly inappropriate rates in congestion. Ironically I appreciate it the most in V8 pickup trucks with aggressive gearing.
Drive modes are gimmicks in lots of cars because they change so little.
When comparing co2 emissions, do you also include producing the electricity ? If not, it could be interesting to know how much the difference really is and how much powerplants are producing per kw/h in relation to the ev-fosil fueled v. And it should be added in the comparision sheets between ev's and fosil fueled vehicles as it gives a much more accurate"fight"(the production of solar panels and wind turbines are also co2-producing monsters) thanks for looking into this or at least considering.
He's done a breakdown of this ,but forgot the production c02 and transport of gas; EVs still won
Is there a reason why the back wheel steering doesn't show up in more EVs? It doesn't seem like it would be expensive to build in when the overall complexity of drive train is so much lower.
For a user it makes the car more complicated to operate, but when it comes in clutch it's an incredible tool.
The electric drivetrain doesn't change anything about the fact that rear steering adds quite a lot of complexity/cost/weight without offering a benefit that most customers would greatly care about.
Although maybe they should, because parking in tight spots is actually an issue that many people encounter almost daily.