FAQ #7 Why don't you use the slide release?
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- čas přidán 1. 09. 2017
- I've been getting this question a lot lately so I thought I'd just knock it out with a video instead of trying to explain in text.
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Don't know as I have not seen in all my years on CZcams (a watcher) a more humble and honest person. He just tells it like it is from what he actually knows from life experience and that rates number one for me over all other things. Especially, when it is in regards to Firearms!
Thanks! I am glad you are enjoying the channel. I can tell you that I will never try to be somebody that I am not. I'm a horrible actor and folks would see right through it...lol
Yep. Buffalo is a talented shooter, and a good teacher. Great channel.
Dude! I dig your last name. Kanobe! That could be a band name. Right on brother Ben! and I just subscribed to this guy's channel because of his non threatening southern accent, and I thinks he's right about the slide thingy.
Excellent presentation. None of that infuriatingly stupid crap about not being able use the slide stop to release the slide because it's a "fine motor skill."
Great reasoning. I've been an "over the top" guy for years, and yet most of the Tacticool guys laugh at anyone doing that. I was always trained that the over the top method works on EVERY pistol you may come across. The release button might be in a different place on an unfamiliar pistol in an emergency. Great video!
Very good reasoning OG. I didn't really want to make this video because I didn't want to divide people and cause an argument over which method is best but so many people had been asking me why I do it that way that I felt like a video was in order.
This may not be a concern, but it seems it would also reduce long-term wear on the canooter valve and its notch.
I've always used the over the top method due to the gross motor skill vs. the fine motor skill argument. I can grab ahold of the slide a lot better than I can hit the slide release, that's just me. I shoot for accuracy, not speed...
Officer Gregg excellent point
The flaw in the gross motor skill V. fine motor skill argument is that if your fine motor skills diminish to the point you cant manipulate the slide stop then you wont be able to manipulate the magazine release or trigger. All three actions use fine motor skills. How can stress affect one without affecting the others? The answer is it doesn't. Its about how you train. I use the slide stop, always have on every gun I own and it has never failed me even in competition. Performing a magazine change then releasing the slide with the slide lock is something I do without ever thinking about it.
It's 2020 and I want to thank you for this video. I'm late to gun ownership but the world seems crazy so I got a gun. I just bought a Sig P320 xcompact and I thought something was wrong with it because I can't release it with the slide release. The gun shop said it would become easier as the gun is new. Others said to oil the pistol. You helped me to see that this is no big deal. I can just chamber the round by bringing the slide back with my hand, thank you.
I farted
Thank you for making videos safe for a family man to share with his kids too!
Hey, I have kids and they watch my videos every now and then. So you don't have to worry about me saying anything that I wouldn't say in front of my own!
I agree, use whatever method works for you. *:-)*
Exactly!
I've always been over the top to release the " slide stop " . You are one of my most watched gun video channels. I'm always amazed to watch you shoot and rarely miss the target. Thank you
I don't get why people argue about this.
There're two ways to send your slide forward, and that's it. Use one, or use the other one - whatever you prefer.
But using the slide lock to release it will wear out the notch faster. That’s why you NEVER use it!
@@alexandersheppard1997 nope.
No more than shooting your gun wears it out.
I prefer that people I compete against rack their guns. I can use the advantage.
@@alexandersheppard1997 ... Please tell me you're being sarcastic...?
@@alexandersheppard1997 if that's true than racking the slide does the same damage
Sling shot method works for me.
It's the way I've always done it.
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When sliding back and releasing what keeps it from catching on the slide stop? Does that stop only catch when empty?
I personally use both the slide release and the sling shot method. I think you should always use the method you like best that works with your gun. I really don’t get why people get so upset over people using the slide release as a slide release or people using the sling shot method. Use whatever method you like if your gun’s design allows it
Thanks for your vids Buffalo, I know it takes time and effort. You are one of my favorite channels.
You're welcome! Thanks for understanding as I don't think a lot of people realize that. I'm glad to have you here!
To slide release or sling shot, that's the questions! So I'm typically a slide release guy....but I sling shot one of the guns I have because that's what works best for how it fits my hand. My opinion, you need to know both methods because you never know what firearm will be in your hand when you absolutely need it. However, the slide release method should be your go to. Not because it's faster but because it fits the one you carry. If you can't operate the "slide release" on the firearm you are going to be using, then you are using the wrong firearm. Plain and simple. Pick a firearm that fits you well, then learn the different ways to battery. As far as fine motor skill goes, just practice your weapon. None of that means crap if you can't run the gun you are carrying. So shoot what you carry/have for home defense.
Well said.
The best explanation of use of slide stop/release. Functional reliability always takes precedence over speed.
Finally, someone does a video on this with an explanation why they rack the slide instead of "because I said so" or "because the owner's manual says so." I was trained in the military on the M9 to use the slide release. Racking the slide is another way to chamber a round. Some handguns don't have a slide release, so you have no option. I think everyone should do what works best for them, like you said. I don't like the "my way is the only way" mentality.
Part of the little nub functions as a slight catch/slide stop.
Part of the little nub -- the part with the NICE GROOVES WHICH ARE MADE FOR YOUR FINGER just like the mag release nub-- functions as a side release. It's simple.
Dang. You over complicated it.
I just started shooting at 68 and I will be trying to utilize this method.It seems easier and definitely looks cooler than fidgeting with the "stop". I'm trying to learn safely and efficiently.
Thank you for this video. Might of helped me understand my glock 23 gen4 blow out.
Another great video. Thank you. I agree, do whatever you were trained to do and most comfortable doing. I'm a "slingshot" guy as that's how I was taught.
Thanks. I know that with certain pistols it makes sense to use the lever but for me shooting lots of different pistols I like the method that works across the board. Thanks for watching!
This was inspirational, thank you sir.
Good point about the muscle memory....I have used both and have ended up using the Kanutter Valve accidently and locked the slide back while trying to fire....nice info.... and thanks for adding new terminology to my listing, Kanutter Valve is now added along with Clipazine! Till next time...and yes anxiously awaiting.
LOL! I'm glad to help expand your vocabulary!!!
Great video. I like the slingshot method also.
I took my FSC at the gun shop, watched all kinds of safety videos about guns and finally bought one! Once I got home I put my empty mag in and cocked it back and could not figure out how to un cock it!! So frustrating but I figured out once you release the mag it releases. I was sitting there trying to manually un due the safety and wasnt working. Thanks for the help!
Thanks for the great content, I've scaled back my shooting hobby to a standstill, but still watch your videos. Grabbing the top of the pistol is a solid and basic method of operating a pistol. Operating the slide rather that the slide stop also can relate to other drills such as clearing jams. Ill admit I use the slide stop occasionally because is expedient enough though.
Thanks! I am glad you are still tuning in. I never make a habit of telling others how to shoot, enough people had ask that I figured it was time to answer in video format. This was honestly a tough video for me to post because I knew I could come off sounding like some of the other channels that say things like "this is the only way" or "this is the right way" and that's not who I am or what I want my channel to be. I appreciate you watching and commenting!
You were taught proper. I was not. My first semi auto pistol was for USPSA/IPSC games. Oversized custom controls and all that. The Glock slide STOP is a perfect example of being too tiny to be a reliable RELEASE in a real fight.
Once again, humble wisdom from Buffalo.
thanks for the clear and concise insight , Blu In Austin 🌺
Love the channel Buffalo. Keep working the slide.
Thanks!
yes! I agree load the springs fully. can be critical if the spring is getting weak or the gun is dirty gummed up and cold or both.
As a leftie I learned to slingshot in order chamber a round after slapping in a fresh mag.
same here but that method sometimes doesn't work on my glock 19 gen 3. Sometimes the slide doesn't let me rack it.
@@evoben24 It sounds like there may be something wrong w/your Glock.
@@oldcop18 it wasn’t the Glock I had a problem with one of my mags
That's some really good info,buffalo and good sense. I was taught the same way,and mags are stiff especially Glok.
Thanks buddy!
Makes sense! Muscle memory
Muscle memory is about the only memory I have left anymore!
You actually answered the question in your first few sentences. You were taught to do it that way. I use the slide release because that was how I trained in the Army. I actually don't think there is a wrong way to do it. 40 years of habit would die hard, and I have no desire to do it differently. Good video as always.
I agree, there is not really a wrong way to do it so long as it gets done. You're right about 40 years of habit dying hard, that's a good thing in this case though. I bet you could do it in your sleep. Thanks for tuning in!
Another outstanding video, Buff. As a 70 year old "southpaw", I've been slingshotting a slide out of necessity for about 50 years now! Semper Fi, TreeTop
Thanks my friend!
Thanks for another great vid
Your videos cheer me up greatly. Ive een struggling recently and look forward to your content popping up in my feed. Thank you.
I am so glad that you enjoy the videos and find comfort in them. Sometimes darkness gets in us and it seems the sun will never shine again. It is then that the little things in life keep us going.
Buffalo's Outdoors - Well said. You're a gun expert and a philosopher! Lol. Thanks for your kind words and your time.
It’s just more proof my memory is weird. I do both on a regular basis. I have noticed that when I’m teaching someone new to use a semi auto that I use the slingshot only. I guess because I’m trying to press the point to them to do it. But it is weird I do it either way and don’t think about it. 🤷
Nice honest vid keep it up.
Slide release is nice on movies. It makes the shooter/actor more confident!! And the grils, more in love! Another great video! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed!
When I empty the magazine on any of my glocks I insert a loaded mag and smack it with the palm of my hand and the slide slams shut into battery. Yes, I've heard all the stories about how doing this isn't good for the gun but in thousands of times I've done it I've never had to replace a single part. It isn't nearly as forceful as the slide slamming home when you are firing the gun. I like it 😉 Good video and explanation 👌
Must be something in the water here in Virginia to, because I feel the same way.Thanks for the video and your one of the Best!
Thanks! I'm just doing things the way I do them...lol
Yep, whatever works for you! I use the slingshot method when I train, as it seems to me, that in a stressful situation, fine motor skills will be diminished. I don't want to be searching for a tiny lever, to make the firearm hot again!
Good point.
How do you find the mag release when your fine motor skills are that diminished? They are about the same size. If you can't get the mag out, you probably won't have to worry about the slide catch.
I'm about 50/50 at the range. Early on I was taught to only rack a pistol because it could short chamber.
Then over time I found the slide release is faster if I'm in a hurry up and go drill. No problems.
But in a gun battle I would go with a slide rack, just because all dexterity is out the window and your finer skills are going to hold you up.
That's why I practice 50/50, rack for self defense and slide stop for speedy fun.
*I also practice racking an unloaded gun off of different parts of my clothing, to simulate the loss of a hand.
That's probably good to practice both ways now and then. I just stick with the slingshot because it's always worked for me.
I rarely use the slide stop (release),I always rack the slide.However with Kahr firearms they do suggest you to use the slide stop to release the slide when loading the gun.Iv'e try it both ways with Kahr's and racking the slide on a Kahr sometimes causes FTF. But with EVERTHING else I rack it :)
Good video.
You make perfect sense.
Thank you.
Some good advice as I sling shot as some slide releases don't release so well at least with my experience...Good stuff...
I've had similar experiences. I just gave up on using them altogether after a while.
If I have a handgun that doesn't work well with the slide release, I fix it or get rid of it. Lol. Made some money that way.
Good stuff my friend whatever works use it!
That's right!
very helpful, i did not know this. Thought my new pistol was crap.
The variable of gun ergonomics is a pretty big aspect of this. There are a number of guns where the "slide stop" was clearly designed to be used as a release (CZ, Beretta, 1911s etc) and guns where it is clearly not (Glock). In terms of the better way, there is a speed argument for using the release (if it is ergonomically easy) and there is a scenario argument for at least training to do both. If your support hand is jacked up or occupied for any number of reasons, training to release the slide one-handed is handy:)
The glock is designed to be used with the slide lock acting as a release, look at the OEM extended slide lock from the company themselves.
It all depends on the shooter and the weapon being used. Either method works with my FNS 9mm,but I personally favor the slide release. It gets my weapon back into operation a tad faster.
I find it kinda funny that you express ur preferred method is to rack the slide manually but in the very end of your video u clearly have an extended slide release on your glock. I do agree use what method works best for you but until glocks came out most firearm manufacturers referred to the slide as a release. There are valid arguments for both ways to manipulate your firearm. I prefer to use the slide release as I have found this allows me to get back on target faster.
You're not the first to notice that the Glock 34 Gen 4 comes with an extended slide catch/release. It's the reason I chose this Glock over my others for this particular video, it's the reason for the close ups and the focus of the video thumbnail. I could actually do without the slide catch/release being there period. But again that's just me. There have been enough arguments on both sides of this issue, I am only explaining why I do it the way I do. Thanks.
I'm new to guns didn't know about the over the top method. Going forward that's my new thing
Competing with a 1911 in the wild bunch side match of cowboy action, I always rack overhand. I have medium hands with long fingers, but can't reach the slide stop on a 1911. I don't drop the slide with my support hand like some mostly because I know I'll always get it by sling shotting overhand. Like you say though, muscle memory kicks in. The match director is a lefty, and she drops the slide with her index finger, and is super smooth on reloads. Not much I can do but practice and be a little jealous of that speed lol
Good stuff! Thanks!
Yup - Love this channel .
Awesome, I am glad you're enjoying the videos!
Great info - Thanks!
in reguards to colt 1911 it was designed to be carried live round in the chamber, full magazine, hammer back, safety on. if not comfortable with that, chamber empty, full magazine, racking slide to put into battery when needed, in any carry mode the slide needs to be released and sent home, making no difference to pistol how it's done.walking the slide home is highly not recomended for obvious reasons! great vid and instruction. thanks
if something you do works I'll try it because I haven't seen you miss anything. thanks for all your time buffalo.
Thanks Steve! I always look forward to seeing your comments!
When I was getting my training for my PAL the facilitator was showing us something unrelated to the slide stop and off-handedly mentioned he doesn't unlock with the slide stop because it wears it out and that it wasn't designed with that in mind.
So he said that it wears the slide out . So just use the sling shot method ?
Well I always keep one in the chamber so I'm not wasting time racking the slide incase of combat every second counts in life or death after shooting when reloading I'm using the slide stop to release and get back in the fight faster than loosing time to rack the slide slide release will not damage the gun
Slide releases vary in use and location on handguns. No fumbling around, slide racking always works and is usually the same process. I seldom use the slide release lever/button.
I agree, but wonder why you put the extended slide stop on your Glock? I used too but quit when an instructor said using the mechanism as a release can eventually wear out the catch. I switched back to discourage myself from using it. Thanks for the great videos!
I used the Glock 34 Gen 4 intentionally for this video because it came factory with the extended slide stop. I didn't put it there...lol That point about wearing out the release is one I hadn't thought about..... I'm sure it would take a lot to wear it out but that is just another reason to slingshot. Thanks for your comment, I'm glad you enjoy the videos.
I agree brother. Great video.
Thanks!
It's a great method since it works universally across all pistols. However, do you also do this with ARs? I prefer using the bolt release on my AR since it's faster for me and requires less fumbling than using the charging handle.
I usually use the bolt release on the AR-15.
Nice video 👍 I've seen this topic come up on a few channels. But I like your take ... short and sweet do what works for you. Sometimes people are to worried about what the other guy is doing. Lol either way the slide chambers another round....
Thanks! I appreciate you tuning in!
For a Glock read the Manuel, it says both ways release or slingshot !
The slide release also has pressure against the notch holding the slide open. When it's pressed to release the slide, on some metal it can cause wear that over time makes the engagement less reliable. Depends on many factors. Anyway, I use the slingshot method.
Wait a minute your not supposed to use common sense. You should force your views on others. Very refreshing. I prefer the slide release but practice both. But my default setting is to hit hit the button. I'm glad you didn't go into a fine vs gross motor skills debate. So you just earned a new sub. Keep up the good work.
Hey - what works for you sounds good for me. I use the slide release, but that is how I was trained as a police officer almost two decades ago. Besides - LOL - next to a revolver clearing leather and the cocking of an S&W revolver, there no better sound than the slide release on a Glock. BTW - I use my index finger since I shoot left handed. It has always worked for me. Whatever works best for the individual is what you should use.
I am not a trainer or tactics professional. I'm not even at operator status...LOL I just wanted to provide an answer to the folks that have been asking and I can articulate better through video than I can through text. My way is certainly not the only way. That's the main point I wanted to get across.
You did a good job getting that point across. And, you do as your Dad trained you. That is a precious memory that you will pass on one day to your son.
What is that bird in the background? Are you in the australian part of town?
LOL!
I believe the slide release is for tactical situations. If your in a gun fight its eaiser and quicker to tap the slide release while coming up to aim instead of changing the position of the gun to get a round chambered
When you're using the slingshot method, is depressing the slide catch still required?
No, you should be ok.
Have you tested many Karr firearms? I have had a couple and they will jam if you try to slingshot them into action. But chamber every time if you use the slide release. Sounds strange but I had to retrain myself to use the slide release when I carried one every day. Now I rotate my daily carry every month and know longer have a Karr in my rotation but now I'm in the habit of using the slide release. It seems that habit has stayed with me longer than the Karr CM9.
I love my CM9. Even though I never use the slide release I've never had any problem. I talk about this in my review of the pistol. I am aware that the manufacturer recommends using the release.
It just makes sense to run the slide unless you’re playing games and on the clock, then a gun setup for games is going to have the release made easy and quick to hit without changing your grip.
Great point...over the top is definitely universal.
It has worked across the board for me. I know that there can be arguments made for either way depending on the pistol.
Buffalo's Outdoors people now a days will argue about anything just for the sake of arguing.
That is so true.
I'm with U big Buffalo I'm not worried about how they run the slide, just so they are not point a gun at me or anyone else. I have other issues to worry about.
Amen.
Can you use the slingshot method when your done shooting with a empty magazine and you want to pull the slid back in front
Remove the mag first if your done shooting.
Thank you Sir for this video! I agree totally! Slide lock, not slide release..
You're welcome, I'm glad you liked it!
I agree, whatever works! I personally like the slingshot method.
Yep, confidence is key. Use the method that gives you the most confidence in your pistol. Like you, for me it's the slingshot.
What happens when you pull it back and the side stop keeps equipping? Is it normal becuz i have to hold it down to pull it back?
That is right,the whole point is do what is right for you.
Great vid
Thank you!
For me the chances of my hand slipping or not getting a great grip on the slide is a much more probable problem than that slide release/lock not chambering a round. I'm not sure about your pistol but my XD9 slams back into battery hard when the slide release/lock is hit. It has never failed to chamber a round that way. As a matter a fact no semi auto I have ever seen has. For people with old sore arthritic hands the slide release is the way to go for sure. It also get's you back in the fight faster.
I shoot uspsa...if I get in a slide release situation...I have made a mistake and ran the magazine dry. If I am in that position, I am a sling shot guy by instinct...thumb seems awkward to me. GREAT CHANNEL I SUBSCRIBED.
Great point! Being a recreational shooter I shoot until the mag is empty. I should work on reloading before I actually run dry. I'm glad you subscribed, I've actually been subbed to your channel for a while, I just don't comment much I spend so much time in my own comments sections. Thank you!
Buffalo's Outdoors very cool. I hear uou...so much to watch and comment. THANK YOU.
100% there with you man
Awesome :)
Must be something in the water here in Kentucky! I agree with you 100% I am a sling shot guy as well :-)
Must be! Hey it works for me, good to hear that's the way you do it too.
I made a video a year or two ago about it. I think in a concealed carry situation the slide stop is going to be tough to hit when you are nervous, shots already been fired, and who knows could be night time, cold, rainy, or snowing. I just think when in an intense situation and your fine motor control skills are not as keen it is a good idea to practice the slingshot method instead of trying to manipulate that small lever.
As a fellow Kentuckian I do the same.
Kentucky guys stick together like glue lol
Way to go! Avoid wearing off the slide where it engages the slide catch. It won't stay back after the last round is shot if that happens.
Really. After 60.000 rounds maybe!
Makes sense to me. I know using the slide release to chamber the next round on a fresh mag looks cool but..... why not get the most out of the mechanism? Less chance for error.
Thanks for the video.
That's what my dad told me way back when. It just stuck with me ever since.
The biggest reason to use the overhand method is because the procedure for clearing a malfunction is the tap/rack method. if your instinct is automatically to rack the slide you will always be faster to clear a malfunction than someone who is accustomed to the slide release.
We were taught by Glock to use the slide to close it instead of just pushing the 'release' down. So at least in their pistol that's recommended. I've just kept the same practice for all my semis...
That's interesting. Thanks for sharing!
I personally avoid slide releases but some times I rarely do with pistol pointed safe direction. to many pistols went off using it . two years ago while standing beside my teen grand son and his friend pointed in safe direction put in fresh magizean touching the release it slam fired . I looked at them, they looked at me . I turned pistol on its side and my finger in line with the slide as always. I said y’all see my finger never touched the trigger. I normally don’t use the release but I did that time and strictly avoid it now . it only happened that one time, on time to many. no weapon destroyed or hurt. Nana and papa aka the hunter wishing you well.
I use the same as you good video
Cool and thanks!
Outside of 1911's I use "Over the Top" method.
For some reason a lot of gun guys are just one way or the other with everything. Thank u for not being like that!
Nice job. Thanks.
Thanks!
Subject to vagaries of individual guns & shooters (stiff spring on the mag, tight slide stop, small hands, etc), it doesn't really seem to matter which way you do it. If you think your life will depend on it, then you just need to pick a preferred method, be consistent, and *train train train* consistently.
I just call it a slide stopping thingy like I sometimes call a magazine a bullet holding thingy,,lol.I'm guilty of pressing the slide stop lever to chamber a round once in a while even though I try to make a habit of pulling back on the slide for that.
I don't see it as that big of an issue either way. I have confidence in the way I do it while the next guy may have more confidence using the lever. Confidence is an important factor. I like "slide stopping thingy" I may have to borrow that one off of ya!
Feel free to use it anytime my friend
I shoot lefty and not many guns have the release lever on the right side - especially my EDC - G23 Gen4
Good point. I didn't even think of it from a lefty perspective.
Yep - Lefty too ( I use that as my excuse for everything )
It's a dang good excuse. Can I convert to south paw? I could always use another excuse or 2 myself!!
That's how I was taught. The sling shot method. I've never used a slide "release"... They're all slide "stops" to me.
thanks!!!
Lefty here, we dont have much of a choice but to slingshot..even on my ambi 2.0 compact i refuse to use the slide release because one, its way too stiff to be functional, small-can be missed by thumb and it just feels better to sling back.
I actually happen to use the slide release...why...because my cz75 doest have much to grab to slingshot the round into battery...I guess the point is no 2 guns are alike
Easy lesson for those that use the "slide release". Take that lever out. Run without it. It's only function is to indicate when you're mag is empty. Is it faster than slingshot method? Yes. But Racking the slide is far more useful skill in both gun operation and program compliance for a larger group of modern guns.